I see as one of two options.
Either Yes, men should have a say-so in abortion if they're considered a father in a relationship, even if that say-so isn't 50% or more of the woman's power in that decision. (I think 30-35% power for the man is fair.)
Or No, men should continue to have no say-so in abortion, but also should have NO responsibilities whatsoever to legally be a father either and should only be one because he feels like it and wants to do right by his child.
But this double-standard sh*t has to go. F*ck anyone who supports the double standard of a man having no reproductive rights to his child, but expected to pay some bitch money anyway. I don't support absentee fathers, but if the woman is going to play hardball, she 100% deserves no support from the dad. The woman can have the final say-so in abortion, but the man should also be able to opt-out of parenthood, as well. I agree with you, OP.
I'll also say this: I support abortion and I'm pro-choice, but a woman should not have more than one abortion in her lifetime, otherwise, she's probably a reckless, piece of crap who shouldn't be allowed to have kids to begin with. Three or more abortions is a sign of a terrible woman who doesn't deserve motherhood at any point in her life.
Two parts here, they should not have a say in abortion but they should have a say if they want legal responsibility for the child, especially if they do not want it and it is well known. This is the Roe Vs. Wade for men concept, not forcing her to get an abortion but him having the option to not be part of the child's life.
Too bad the guy at the center of that case gave up.
Men and women have a say in preventing pregnancy in the first place instead of treating abortion like birth control... And while I agree men should have more of a say when they want the child, I don't think it would be right for men to be able to force an abortion on someone when they could've prevented it from getting to that point. Women who get abortions are more at risk for etopic pregnancies in the future.. I asked a question if their was a shot available for both men and women that prevented pregnancies and STD's, would they take it.. And a few males replied they wouldn't take it for fear it would mess with their reproductive system, yet don't care if women go through that with birth control or abortions smhMy advice: ladies, stop having sex with guys that care about nothing but the sex they can get from you... Guys stop caring more about how much better raw sex feels then the consequences that can result from that decision/choice.. Guys/girls: stop using abortion as birth control when there's so many other safer/cheaper options out there, the cheapest being ladies keep your legs closed, men keep it in your pants..
I voted no.
I believe they can have their say obviously, its their baby too. But at the end of the day its the woman giving birth, and I do believe women should have the upper hand in deciding on whether or not they want to carry a baby for 9 months.
I do agree with what the other commenter said with men having the option to sign off their rights to the baby and not be responsible. They do this in the US I believe.
If you want the kid and your girlfriend decides to have an abortion, thats just the way it is. I dont believe this should be treated equally when its the womans job to actually be responsible for the baby while it growing inside her.
We should just have it in the uk too
There’s benefits in the uk and child credits, if the mum wants to bring it to the world alone she should care for it alone.
I would care for my child even if it wasn’t born with my wishes but hey it’s unfair on many guys.
She is free to work
You need two people to look after a kid, I dont think its fair to put it all on one person's salary tbh. I mean yeah some people have good jobs, but thats why I'm saying they should earn a certain amount of money to not have help from the government. Only if the dad isn't paying child support.
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If I want to keep a child, I do not want the father in their life IF he doesn't want to be in it. This includes child support, I'm independent enough I will be fine without his money.
I've seen too many fathers who want nothing to do with their kids, take them for legally required visitation and then ignore them, hurting them emotionally and messing up holidays. The poor kids don't know what is going on and being used as a pawn. The fathers are saying let them out of child support and sign over their rights and they will quit. The mothers let their own kids get hurt so they can get money.
The child will be my #1 priority, and I'll happily let him sign over his rights to do what is best for my child and get him out of our lives.
Have to say I really love your strong stance on this. Well done
Thanks and to the question of abortion, no I don't think men should have a say but I do with the Roe Vs. Wade concept for men, if you look up that case.
Yes and no. Even though it's their baby, the mother has full control of what happens to their unborn baby. I strongly go with the phrase, "Actions are louder than words." So, the father's say is just an agreement even if the mother disagrees. So no matter what the father says, if the mother doesn't want to keep their unborn baby or feels the need not to, it's her choice in the end.
The abortion and miscarriage taboo just seems foolish now. Cancel the subscription if you know you can't afford to keep it.
The woman ultimately gets a choice. But the man’s opinion should heavily weigh in
One of the rarely talked about but horrifying scenarios is when the man wants to keep the baby (and is willing to take full custody after birth). There are situations where the man is powerless from not stopping the woman murder his child. I get it she doesn’t want to go through the inconvenience of not bringing the child to term but still this is absolutely horrible. There needs to be a very thoughtful put together legislation for this. Maybe the biological mother gets some sort of financial settlement when this happens for the inconvenience.
Also the morning after pill is NOT abortion. It just prevents the egg from getting fertilized. I am pro life but I 100% support plan B. Let’s make better choices to prevent worse things from happening.
A woman should hear the man out, but if she doesn’t want it at all, then it would be crazy to go through 9 months of pregnancy just so you can give a man a child. And if she wants it, but he doesn’t, she should consider that before deciding whether to keep it or not because a guy shouldn’t be forced to pay child support if he made it clear he does not want a baby.
… Ugh, the fact that this is even a problem because people find it so hard to not have sex or use protection is ridiculous, but that’s the world we live in, sadly.
Abortion should be banned, and a capital offense for the practitioner. There shouldn't be any abortion for either party to have a "say" regarding! It shouldn't even be a thought in anyone's mind!
Making women have to bear the brunt of responsibility for pregnancy will then force society to confront other things it tolerates that it shouldn't, and start waking up as to why it shouldn't.
Men will then be under tremendous pressure to clean up their act. And those that refuse, will scurry like rats to escape the impending wrath. Everything else will come out in the wash.
You little man need professional help. Your messed up in the head and need a therapist, you have psychological issues
I say yes to an extent. There should be a mutual agreement between the two parties (the guy and the girl) involved especially since they might be tied down into having to pay child support in the future but I don’t think men should dictate whether or not it’s legal/illegal to get an abortion and they shouldn’t coerce someone to get one
Yes, its not only the woman's child, but the man's child as well. And the final decision should be consulted between both.
They can voice their opinion and discuss it with their partner. But no, they have no final say in the matter.
A blue anon once said here that men had that say when they chose not to wear a condom. Which applies to a percentage of surprise pregnancies, but not all. Men should have a say. But not the final say.
Very valid argument
No because abortion shouldn’t be a thing regardless if your a man or a women. I’d rather not live in a society where murdering innocent unborn children is legal. Also I’m not a Muslim so I’m not moving to Saudi Arabia
Men should have an opinion but at the end of the day the woman is the one who’s going to carry that child for 9 months so her opinion trumps the man’s.
Don't want a partner to have an abortion/baby don't put your dick in her 🤷🏻♀️
they should be able to voice their opinion on the potential child.
If it is my child I will look after the kid financially and emotionally and obviously try to make a relationship work but so many people get pregnant in short relationships
So yes, I agree with you
Sorry I don’t follow, deleted what last time?
well.. it's the man's child as well, however the woman is the one who has to carry it for 9 months and give birth so i'd say the decision is mainly hers
Why bring a child in this world which is not wanted by either parent?
Yes because if my wife ever went behind my back to abort my child that’s nearly impossible to overcome.
Married. yes. Otherwise, no.
As state legislators, yes.
All I know is this: any woman who aborts her child is a murderer; if it were my woman, I'd dump her, because I don't harbour murderers.
I think they should have. Since its also his child. But the problem with this is mostly when one of the two doesn't want the child.
Women should have the final say in abortion, and men should have the final say in whether they are legally obligated to serve as the father, financially and otherwise.
Only if by some medical miracle the become pregnant.
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They should at the very least decide not to pay child support for that child.
No, not abortion.
But you should at least be able to abandon the kid, if they get to kill it.
Sometimes, but some men do it just to be assholes and have no plans to help care for the baby!
Yes they should!! The baby is half theirs!
I think only women have a say in this matter.
That can be the case, but then, men have no reason to have to pay for that child either. If you argument is that fatherhood has no legal value, then no women should ever be complaining about child support either. She assumes full responsibility of the child, and has to actually assume FULL RESOINSBIILITY of the child.
The only thing I hate from women are their double-standards about the man having no right to his unborn child, but expected to cough up the cash for the next 18 years anyway. And I don't even support absentee fathers, per se.
@MCheetah When an unborn child, who is still in his/her mother's womb, has an abortion without his/her father's permission, all men always raise the issue of alimony in response to the abortion. Not every woman finds it right for a man to pay alimony. Please do not come to these comments with this defense anymore. Abortion = alimony, abortion = alimony, ... What a silly comparison.
All I said is, if the woman "should have 100% of the right to abort," then you're arguing that fatherhood has no validity, and if so, the man has no obligations to that child in any way either. Which I don't find favorable, but is at least actually fair. I think men DESERVE some legal voice to protect that child, even if it's lesser than the woman's, as women do not reproduce asexually and more often than not, it's the father's DNA that forms the majority of that child post-birth.
Otherwise, like I said, the woman is free to assume full responsibility of the child. They just should not burden men to alimony while also claiming men have zero rights to their own children. That is all.
They should discuss it with their partners
Yes, but not the final say.
yes , they put it in there
No lmao.
Nope. Only women can decide about it.
I agree more with the other two ladies then yours I’m afraid.
If it’s both parents responsibility for the child it should be a joint decision
Yes, let me get my coat hunger...
Hanger
Yeah
I think so yes
No. Her body.
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