I see as one of two options.
Either Yes, men should have a say-so in abortion if they're considered a father in a relationship, even if that say-so isn't 50% or more of the woman's power in that decision. (I think 30-35% power for the man is fair.)
Or No, men should continue to have no say-so in abortion, but also should have NO responsibilities whatsoever to legally be a father either and should only be one because he feels like it and wants to do right by his child.
But this double-standard sh*t has to go. F*ck anyone who supports the double standard of a man having no reproductive rights to his child, but expected to pay some bitch money anyway. I don't support absentee fathers, but if the woman is going to play hardball, she 100% deserves no support from the dad. The woman can have the final say-so in abortion, but the man should also be able to opt-out of parenthood, as well. I agree with you, OP.
I'll also say this: I support abortion and I'm pro-choice, but a woman should not have more than one abortion in her lifetime, otherwise, she's probably a reckless, piece of crap who shouldn't be allowed to have kids to begin with. Three or more abortions is a sign of a terrible woman who doesn't deserve motherhood at any point in her life.
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Two parts here, they should not have a say in abortion but they should have a say if they want legal responsibility for the child, especially if they do not want it and it is well known. This is the Roe Vs. Wade for men concept, not forcing her to get an abortion but him having the option to not be part of the child's life.
Too bad the guy at the center of that case gave up.
Men and women have a say in preventing pregnancy in the first place instead of treating abortion like birth control... And while I agree men should have more of a say when they want the child, I don't think it would be right for men to be able to force an abortion on someone when they could've prevented it from getting to that point. Women who get abortions are more at risk for etopic pregnancies in the future.. I asked a question if their was a shot available for both men and women that prevented pregnancies and STD's, would they take it.. And a few males replied they wouldn't take it for fear it would mess with their reproductive system, yet don't care if women go through that with birth control or abortions smhMy advice: ladies, stop having sex with guys that care about nothing but the sex they can get from you... Guys stop caring more about how much better raw sex feels then the consequences that can result from that decision/choice.. Guys/girls: stop using abortion as birth control when there's so many other safer/cheaper options out there, the cheapest being ladies keep your legs closed, men keep it in your pants..
I voted no.
I believe they can have their say obviously, its their baby too. But at the end of the day its the woman giving birth, and I do believe women should have the upper hand in deciding on whether or not they want to carry a baby for 9 months.
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If I want to keep a child, I do not want the father in their life IF he doesn't want to be in it. This includes child support, I'm independent enough I will be fine without his money.
I've seen too many fathers who want nothing to do with their kids, take them for legally required visitation and then ignore them, hurting them emotionally and messing up holidays. The poor kids don't know what is going on and being used as a pawn. The fathers are saying let them out of child support and sign over their rights and they will quit. The mothers let their own kids get hurt so they can get money.
The child will be my #1 priority, and I'll happily let him sign over his rights to do what is best for my child and get him out of our lives.Yes and no. Even though it's their baby, the mother has full control of what happens to their unborn baby. I strongly go with the phrase, "Actions are louder than words." So, the father's say is just an agreement even if the mother disagrees. So no matter what the father says, if the mother doesn't want to keep their unborn baby or feels the need not to, it's her choice in the end.
The abortion and miscarriage taboo just seems foolish now. Cancel the subscription if you know you can't afford to keep it.The woman ultimately gets a choice. But the man’s opinion should heavily weigh in
One of the rarely talked about but horrifying scenarios is when the man wants to keep the baby (and is willing to take full custody after birth). There are situations where the man is powerless from not stopping the woman murder his child. I get it she doesn’t want to go through the inconvenience of not bringing the child to term but still this is absolutely horrible. There needs to be a very thoughtful put together legislation for this. Maybe the biological mother gets some sort of financial settlement when this happens for the inconvenience.
Also the morning after pill is NOT abortion. It just prevents the egg from getting fertilized. I am pro life but I 100% support plan B. Let’s make better choices to prevent worse things from happening.A woman should hear the man out, but if she doesn’t want it at all, then it would be crazy to go through 9 months of pregnancy just so you can give a man a child. And if she wants it, but he doesn’t, she should consider that before deciding whether to keep it or not because a guy shouldn’t be forced to pay child support if he made it clear he does not want a baby.
… Ugh, the fact that this is even a problem because people find it so hard to not have sex or use protection is ridiculous, but that’s the world we live in, sadly.Abortion should be banned, and a capital offense for the practitioner. There shouldn't be any abortion for either party to have a "say" regarding! It shouldn't even be a thought in anyone's mind!
Making women have to bear the brunt of responsibility for pregnancy will then force society to confront other things it tolerates that it shouldn't, and start waking up as to why it shouldn't.
Men will then be under tremendous pressure to clean up their act. And those that refuse, will scurry like rats to escape the impending wrath. Everything else will come out in the wash.I say yes to an extent. There should be a mutual agreement between the two parties (the guy and the girl) involved especially since they might be tied down into having to pay child support in the future but I don’t think men should dictate whether or not it’s legal/illegal to get an abortion and they shouldn’t coerce someone to get one
Yes, its not only the woman's child, but the man's child as well. And the final decision should be consulted between both.
They can voice their opinion and discuss it with their partner. But no, they have no final say in the matter.
A blue anon once said here that men had that say when they chose not to wear a condom. Which applies to a percentage of surprise pregnancies, but not all. Men should have a say. But not the final say.
No because abortion shouldn’t be a thing regardless if your a man or a women. I’d rather not live in a society where murdering innocent unborn children is legal. Also I’m not a Muslim so I’m not moving to Saudi Arabia
Men should have an opinion but at the end of the day the woman is the one who’s going to carry that child for 9 months so her opinion trumps the man’s.
they should be able to voice their opinion on the potential child.
well.. it's the man's child as well, however the woman is the one who has to carry it for 9 months and give birth so i'd say the decision is mainly hers
Don't want a partner to have an abortion/baby don't put your dick in her 🤷🏻♀️
Why bring a child in this world which is not wanted by either parent?
Married. yes. Otherwise, no.
As state legislators, yes.Yes because if my wife ever went behind my back to abort my child that’s nearly impossible to overcome.
All I know is this: any woman who aborts her child is a murderer; if it were my woman, I'd dump her, because I don't harbour murderers.
I think they should have. Since its also his child. But the problem with this is mostly when one of the two doesn't want the child.
Women should have the final say in abortion, and men should have the final say in whether they are legally obligated to serve as the father, financially and otherwise.
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