Did Sinead call the Vatican sex scandal years before Spotlight?

[OddBeMe]

[Anonymous]

Largely a band wagon she had hopped on. Government's could no longer or weren't as willing to cover it up anymore. In Ireland for instance the establishment; that is politicians, police, doctors, pyscologists, law professionals, the wealthy, teachers, church, judges intimidated, jailed or locked people up in insane asylums who dared to speak out to sex abuses committed on them or committed on others. And not just about the Catholic Church and not just in Ireland but litteraly everywhere. My grandmothers and great grandmother tell some absolutely horrifying stories of sexual assaults on people that were just buried and soon to be forgotten about. Ireland had special homes for "wayward" women and unruly boys to cover these abuses but there were also insane asylums where a perfectly sane child could be sent for their entire life to shut them up and maybe even to lobotomise them. My great grandmother was a nurse in an insane asylum and she talked about some of the girl's and women there mysteriously getting pregnant, boys suffering from rectal trauma and of course mysteriously catching stds but no questions were asked and the only people these patients were really ever alone with were family members or doctors or psychologists. One girl whos father was a judge got put there for having delusions and had claimed her father was raping her. Her father often visited her in the asylum, she'd gotten mysteriously pregnant 3 times and the judge and his wife adopted 3 children a few months after each birth.

Stuff everyone knew but nobody could say. Like male teachers who school girl's had to watch out for or a fruity one that liked to watch the boys shower. Female teachers who got a bit creepy with girls or would sleep with students behind her husband's back. Doctors who were a bit gropey or rapey in examinations. The stuff that went on in boy scouts and girl scouts. Stuff that went on in children's sports clubs. The male on male rapes that went on in boarding schools and the military. So it really wasn't just the catholic Church but the entire establishment of most countries and we are starting to see revelations coming out about Protestant churches.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I remember hearing about this incident from Sinead’s perspective. Her career was “ruined” but she regretted none of it. As I understand it, it was definitely her calling out the church not just on their abuse of minors and other similar scandals but also their abuse of power in government. By the time she did that career-ending SNL performance, American politics had made a serious pivot from not having religion involved at all to looking for religious politicians who “represented us” for the conservative community. It was the big switch from christians being against integration to protesting abortion alongside same sex marriages and queer rights. This was clearly her protesting back.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah lots of liberal cancellations. Like the Dixie chicks. But you know, if you can’t afford to lose, don’t play. Thats the reason Tay Swift hasn’t fully gone anti trump

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yeah, and she was clearly very happy to lose in order to make her statement

[OddBeMe]

Yeah right wingers are the real snowflakes

[Drewtate]

No. Sinead was poser looking for something to latch on to. She would do anything to mainframe and attention. For a while she was an atheist, then achristian, then a catholic, then a nun, then she was a priest, then she was writing letters to the popes to be excommunicated then she was a Muslim.

It was first publicised in 85 and O'connor jumped on the band wagon blaming the Catholic Church for the imagined abuse she suffered growing up in her middle class Irish family all down to her Borderline personality disorder.

[OddBeMe]

It wasn’t imagined.

[Drewtate]

Did the Catholic Church tell her mother to beat her and to steal from the mass collection plate?

[OddBeMe]

No but she’s a girl. Priests like young boys because they’re so ashamed of the abuse they won’t tell. Nor did they until massive investigations started the dominoes.

Are you denying this?

[Drewtate]

Priests liked young boys because a lot of them were forced into the priesthood in their teens by their parents because they were gay, weird or not as smart as the doctor brother. Basically they were part of the lgbtq. They abused boys and girls because as they were part of the establishment and major players in the community. That was true not just of priests but ministers of various Protestant organisation, latter day saints, orthodox Jews, politicians, doctors, judges, teachers, police, buisness men and do on. In a country like Ireland sure the boys would be ashamed but the reason they couldn't say anything was because the establishment would silence them. Their fathers might lose their jobs. Their brothers & sisters would be kicked out of school. Parents ostracised by the community. Go to the police and they'd beat you for lying and charge you. A judge would throw it out of court and with a doctors note sign you into an insane asylum for the rest of your life. I watched a documentary about the magedeline homes where the nuns abused girls. One of the women had been raped when she was 15 by her cousin and made pregnant, her parents sent her to the home to have the baby and left her there, she didn't get out until she was 30 and some guy in his 60s agreed to marry her to get her out. Another girl who was in an orphanage when she was a teen was seen flirting with boys as they walked past the girls school yard, she didn't get out until she was 40. Some women spent their whole lives there basically as slave labor.
This sort of stuff went on for years in America, covered up and silenced by the establishment. Not just Catholics either. What do you think went on in state run orphanages, women's prisions, schools, asylums, youth sports organisations etc. Some of the stories about JFK & LBJ are shocking. Look how easily Jewish men like Weinstein and epstein are able to get away with it for decades or bill Cosby.

[OddBeMe]

Wrong on all fronts.

Despite individual incidents, it’s the celibacy as well as the power over others or authority that brings on sexual perversions. Researchers have also found a strange phenomenon of prisests being almost childlike in knowledge outside the church.

[Drewtate]

Ots not the celibacy but yeah the power over others like those peados in the boyscouts of America or the Jewish producers in Hollywood. Or Muslim clerics. Teachers in American high-schools. Coaches in sport. Politicians. Prodestant ministers.
Priests are very knowledgeable about all walks of life. Missions to africa. Working in hospitals. Theh tend to be very well educated.

[OddBeMe]

There’s not a trend of coaches being pedos. There IS a giant trend of celibate priests being pedos.

[Drewtate]

There was a giant trend of coaches being peados. The big problem the Catholic Church had was recruiting from the LGBTQ. The last scandals are from 20 years ago and like most organisations there are now child protections in place.
www.ibtimes.co.uk/crewe-alexandras-paedophile-abuse-echoes-penn-state-scandal-that-rocked-us-sports-1593503
eu.usatoday.com/.../
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Vahey
globalnews.ca/.../

[OddBeMe]

No…lol. The Church tried that gay bashing revisionist shit and every priest denied being gay. And psychs say pedophilia isn’t homosexual.

[Drewtate]

Having sex with other males is homosexual and has been for thousands of years no matter how the wokies try to redefine it just like it is if a hetrosexual female teacher abuses a male child.

[exitseven]

I do not know but I sure did. plenty of cops told me stories about having to go and talk to some priest that was diddling little kids. You could not arrest a priest because you would go to hell but they just stopped by and had a little talk with the priest and hope it would stick. My wife would not believe any of it. Finally when it ended up in the papers she was shocked.

[Drewtate]

I talked to some cops and others back in the day and you couldn't arrest a priest, a rabbai, a pastor, a judge, a police officer, a doctor, a lawyer, a bank manager, a teacher etc for most things. Basically members of the establishment protected each other with a nod and a wink. That's why child abuse and sexual assault went on so long. They weren't going to arrest scout master kevin for diddling boys, or sting in the English teacher driving an underage student home in the rain in exchange for a bj, or the local bank manager forcing the widow Loretta into sex in his office for more time to find money to pat the mortgage, or Dr Ken interfering with the girls on the gymnastics team.

Some of the old nurses and porters who worked in asylums will tell you how sane kids were basically dumped off there by a relative when there was nothing wrong with them. Maybe a guy dating an older woman or a woman of color. Maybe the a relative was interfering with them and they were sent there to be drugged up or given a lobotomy. Maybe they were to inherit something from deceased relatives but were too young so the greedy uncle or aunt could basically steal the inheritance. I mean people were dumped in asylums for their whole lives. Often patients in asylums maybe with both mental or physical disabilities would get pregnant, catch an std or end up with rectal trauma. Pregnancies were hushed usually with an abortion or secret adoption. This went on for decades. Everyone knew the culprits but it was all kept hushed up.

[exitseven]

@Drewtate It probably was not that long ago either.

[msc545]

Does this matter now?

[OddBeMe]

You know what? Put Allister on.