Is it against the laws of physics that a physical object can exist with no beginning?

[marish01]

[AviatorTom]

I'm an engineer and have studied physics and other sciences pretty extensively. As far as I know, there is no causality law that requires something to have a beginning. All the laws treat objects as existing, with a set of properties, no reference to if or where they came from.

Newton’s first law states that every object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force. There is nothing in the law about how long the object has been at rest or in motion; forever is a possibility.

[elaphe]

What kind of engineering did you study, Tom?

[AviatorTom]

@elaphe My formal education is in Electrical Engineering, but in my career I covered Civil, Mechanical and Systems Engineering as well.

[elaphe]

I wouldn't have been able to handle all the math necessary to be an engineer. I needed a semester of calculus and a semester of statistics to get my biology degree and that was enough.

[Miristheiss]

Ah, so planets, stars, life, elements can just spring up out of a nothingness vacuum.

[AviatorTom]

@Miristheiss There is no physics law that would prevent that.

[marish01]

And what law of physics show that it's possible?
Give us one example of how something can cone into existence from nothing.

[AviatorTom]

@marish01 You meet someone you've never met before... and fall in love. Something from nothing.

[elaphe]

How do you propose the universe came into existence, Marish?

[Miristheiss]

@elaphe
God, of course.
It was created.
"The fool has said in his heart there is no God".

[NathanDavis]

according to some theories... the answer to that would be yes, but also, no...

[iCuddleU]

Anything is made up of something, like atoms are the basic building block for everything.

[SweetDripp]

The fact that matter can neither be created nor destroyed is a foundation of physics.

[Djaay]

That makes 0 sense.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay What doesn't make sense? Matter can't be created or destroyed. It's a fact.

[Djaay]

A spun narrative that's spun a different truth isn't true after all. Be carefull of indoctrination bc its a lie.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Wow. It's simple physics. You can't create something from nothing and nothing can simply vanish. It's not a narrative, it's simply basic physics.

[Djaay]

Ok... then how did u happen?

[marish01]

So matter has always existed?

[SweetDripp]

According to the laws of physics, yes.

[Djaay]

All matter that exist was created somehow

[Djaay]

U were created as well.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Reproductive cells from my parents joined. My mother's body converted food she ate into it's basic components and nurished those cells allowing them to divide and multiply by reconstituting those basic components into more complex structures according to the DNA in those cells. This process continued until I was born. After that, my body used food I ate to continue the process.

[Djaay]

Wrong. Men have give life through what we posses as DNA. Women don't posses life (DNA) only an egg to be nourished with the X andY chromosomes to sustain actual life. Like I said , be careful not to be indoctrinated with lies.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Wow. You are seriously deficient in your education.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay A quick Google search will show you that you are wrong, but I'm guessing you will think Google is lying to you.

[marish01]

Has the universe always existed?
And explain the physics of how matter has no beginning

[Djaay]

Prove it otherwise then.

[SweetDripp]

Scientists have been trying to prove the start of the universe for hundreds of years. Sorry, but me being able to prove it on a G@G post isn't going to happen.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Why is the burden of proof on me? You prove me wrong.

[Djaay]

The laws of physics actually align with ( creation) in the absolute end game of its realm.

[Djaay]

And without any creation , u and I wouldn't be talkin

[Djaay]

By the way... matter is undiscovered in the laws of physics and its the greatest mystery of physics. So what are u implying here?

[marish01]

So the universe has always existed and it created everything?

[marish01]

Providecwhich law of physics claim that a matter has always exialsted

[marish01]

Existed

[SweetDripp]

One of the foundational laws of physics is that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. It logically follows that according to that same law of physics, matter has always existed.

[marish01]

How can something have no beginning?

[Djaay]

The laws of physics ; are just consistent mathematical theories that seem to. match some parts of nature. The laws of physics don't actually exist. They're on theoretical.

[Djaay]

Told ya bout indoctrination.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Seem to match some parts of nature? What makes them "laws" is that there is no example of them not holding true in nature.

[SweetDripp]

In your original question, you asked if it was against the laws of physics. It is against the laws of physics. I think your real question is how do you explain the existence of something that cannot be created according to the laws of physics.

[marish01]

Do you think time doesn't have a beginning?

[marish01]

"I think your real question is how do you explain the existence of something that cannot be created according to the laws of physics."

Yes that too

[SweetDripp]

I've never given it much thought because whether it does or does not has no impact on me.

[Djaay]

Ur quoting physics here. Don't resort to personal discourse bc u have no answer.

[Djaay]

Then again , the truth is creation has nothing to do with physics as well as physics has nothing to do with creation.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay OK, prove creation.

[Djaay]

Do u realize how stupid that? Is?

[Djaay]

I'm not trying to beat u up or anything

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay You asked me to prove physics. Why is it stupid to ask you to prove your theory?

[Djaay]

I'm not talking opinions or theories. But truth.

[SweetDripp]

@Djaay Then it should be easy to prove if it is truth.

[Djaay]

Science does DENY creation and truth. It hasn't proven tho that creation doesn't exist.3 times a charm, be very careful of indoctrination, it will certainly derail or deny ur salvation.

[DJB72]

Actually, physics says ENERGY isn't created or destroyed - except for the law of entropy, whereby an amount of potential energy is lost in the transfer between states.

[SweetDripp]

@DJB72 Laws of physics say both energy and matter are conserved.

[Grond21]

I don't believe it's against the loss of physics but it is against the laws of logic

[marish01]

Well said lol

[NamerOfStars]

Hee hee hee; someone hasn't read her Wittgenstein!

[jahaims]

Beginnings and ends are human concepts. We just assume everything has a beginning because that is what we have observed so far.

[marish01]

Abd that is based on the world we live in which is a part of the universe

[jahaims]

Good job saying what I already said.

[marish01]

I meant it is fair to say everything has a beginning.

[onedarkcloud]

There can be no laws of physics if there is nothing physically existing previously. Something physical has to be present to extrapolate

[marish01]

Does it go into infinite past?

[onedarkcloud]

Nothing goes past nothing so how can there be something beyond nothing? Are you saying there is something beyond nothing when nothing is infinity

[marish01]

"when nothing is infinity"
You mean there is no such a thing that is infinite?

[onedarkcloud]

Unless you changed the meaning of nothing then nothing is infinite. I guess you are trying to give nothing a physical presence and I would like to see how you can do that.

[Guanfei]

It's not. It's just difficult for a human mind to accept, but it's perfectly valid.

[marish01]

Do you believe in God?

[eagle1951]

beats me