Should cops be more like Social Workers?

[OddBeMe]

Several per troubled neighborhood doing more community service.

Yes

No

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Very tricky. But interesting in theory. What's difficult is that cops seem to want to be cop to incarnate law and order. If we suddenly tell these people that their mission has changed, it's unlikely their personalities and philosophies will follow.

[Lynx122]

No there should be enough other offers of support so that cops don't need to take on this role and can just do their jobs.

[OddBeMe]

Fair enough. But cops are seen as enemies to so many communities

[Lynx122]

They should definitely have a sensitivity to understand regular people but I don't think it should go as far as it being part of their job. They should do their job in a way that takes the perspective of a social worker into account, but they shouldn't be asked to do more than their jobs. I think this is a common problem when there's a systemic problem that jobs like teachers, doctors and nurses and cops get asked to plug the gap what's really needed is a reallocation of resources a new programm a bigger budget or whatever but since whoever is making decisions is not doing their job right they just have to "make do". And I think that should be avoided when possible because it puts a huge strain on these people it leads to more people who originally want to help their community quitting their jobs or burning out etc. It's just a bad situation.

[Lynx122]

thanks for MHO :)

[Anonymous]

Social services are the most useless organisation.

[OddBeMe]

You sure?

[Opinion Owner]

Absolutely. I grew up dealing with them.

[Opinion Owner]

It's like Britain has armed response teams that often shoot citizens accidently.

[Anonymous]

Better trained and less armed? Couldn't hurt...

[OddBeMe]

True. Europe has unarmed cops and swat teams trained not to kill. But their countries dont have a bazzilion guns on the streets.

[slatyb]

Those jobs are very different, and few people would be suitable for both. Playing with children is one thing. Helping people with addiction and other problems is harder.

[OddBeMe]

Very true

[exitseven]

cops should practice community policing but they are not suposed to be social workers,

[OddBeMe]

Guess it depends on details. But i was reading about the beat cops walking the streets in the old days. Now they all have squad cars.

[Sevenpointfive]

social workers are VERY BAD PEOPLE!!! so are cops but i don't want the two combined into one.

[Juxtapose]

No, government agencies shouldn't be social engineering much. It's up to the communities themselves to do this, not big daddy government.

[OddBeMe]

Why? Unemployement is social engineering

[Juxtapose]

No it's a financial social safety net.

[OddBeMe]

Then what is social engineering to you?

[Juxtapose]

Pushing woke shit to kids, pushing religion onto kids, etc.

[OddBeMe]

The right is already doing that in droves.

[Anonymous]

oh what a great idea. what could possibly go wrong? let's say in a school shooting?

let's see how well this social work comes in handy

[OddBeMe]

Ahh well that could be taken care of by cracking down on dumb parents giving kids access dangerous guns. And of course cracking down on dangerous guns not meant for hunting or home defense.

[Opinion Owner]

ah yes because social workers have a history of cracking down on these parents? oh wait they don't

[noohair]

Once a Police officer gets out of Cop Mode, they are risking death or grave bodily injury.

[Texaskid1]

They should hire people with higher IQ's. Maybe we would have less police abuse.

[OddBeMe]

Not gonna disagree. Lots of former miliary who dont have a lot of standards

[goaded]

Are they in the Flying Squad?

[Anonymous]

Not sure why we need social workers at all.

[OddBeMe]

Funny how you also bitch about troubled communities.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
They created social workers and we just got more troubled communities so clearly they are either making the problem worse or they are not helping.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@monorprise
To fix a system that can't be repaired because it is this system produces sufferings all the time. That is the macro perspective though. Zooming in, people in troubles I've seen are happy to find social workers on their path. Even though it is imperfect, even though it is a system in itself.

[OddBeMe]

So because the population rises and deepens wealth gaps... social workers are to blame?

[Opinion Owner]

@Maybe_Maybe_not The capitalist system has lifted more people out of true suffering than any other system in history. Indeed what you call "suffering" today thanks to imperialistic is a level of luxury not even enjoyed by Kings 500 years ago.

Social problems are an unrelated issue, as the lack of material wealth such as existed in the thousands of years prior is clearly not the cause of such new social problem but rather some very bad ideas about social order operated under by those with the problem.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme You do know that until capitalism came around in the last few hundred years starvation was a very common way people died?

What was a bit less common was the social problems that have been getting worse since we started paying an army of "social worker" to regardless not solve.

Is it possible that the real problem isn't the state failing to tell people how to live but rather people adopting a new view of life and family that simply does not work?

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. Do you think social workers are socialists?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme
No, I think they are state appointed nannys.

[OddBeMe]

And that’s a bad thing?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@monorprise
"Indeed what you call "suffering" today thanks to imperialistic is a level of luxury not even enjoyed by Kings 500 years ago"

Because you think any people work like that, internally? You think fridge, cars and loans are an accurate measure for human condition? When you think they magically guarantee anything then I dont think you know people at all. If there are people around you, it's highly likely you don't listen to them. Looking at people like random data on a chart is a level of detachment implying that you could be a politician or a scientist locked in a test lab with no one to talk to but rats in a maze.

[OddBeMe]

@Maybe_Maybe_not Strangely this is a conservative habit of dehumanizing people they don’t care about and humanizing fetuses. Lol

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

haha

[Opinion Owner]

yes @oddbeme
that is a very bad thing. If you as an adult need a nanny you need to be in prison.

[OddBeMe]

Unfortunately for many on this site... stupid ain't illegal.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Well, monorprise you're already in a prison of your own choosing. I understand your love for bars but then don't assume we need to follow you in there 😆

[Opinion Owner]

@Maybe_Maybe_not You seem, to be speculating about me rather than the Idea before us.

Why do we need social workers when we didn't have them for nearly all of history untill just a generation or 2 ago?

Why do we need social workers when the problem they were supposedly solving only got worse indicating the social workers either made it worse or didn't help?

A social workers as discussed with @oddbeme is basically a nanny for a grown up, and if a grownup should need such a authoritarian figure they should be better off in a prison where they would like a child be more completely left with no choice but to comply with the better judgement of the nanny.

Otherwise your really just going into their home to either give them stuff or tell them what to do in a somewhat unenforceable and easily abused way.

If you believe the person being commanded is a human then you must also know that such treatment almost invariably makes their condition of dependency worse by removing from them the motivation to improve. Perhaps why the problem got worse under the 'aid' of social workers not better.

[Opinion Owner]

@Maybe_Maybe_not The whole point of a prison is your inability to choose to walk away.

That your social worker with threats comes into your home and attempt to take some of your freedom away in a rather easily cheated by both sides way simply suggest that those in favor of this expensive system of enforcement like poorly build prisons.

Perhaps as a means to control and terrorize the common man into submission on a wide range of domestic issues?

Control that could not otherwise be enforced without someone in your home and try to watch you?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Don't waste so many words on me you know, it's already clear enough that we don't speak the same language nor we live in the same world. There is no understanding possible in these circumstances.

Your words will be more useful when used with people close to your philosophy, I promise

[OddBeMe]

@monorprise…lol no. Prison is for convicts like Trump. Convicted of a crime.

Your ideas of a social worker is whack. Only courts and judges can demand a family change. Social workers go from (like my disabled brother’s) navigate the bureaucracy. Some others might be for family services (ordered by the courts) to facilitate better parenting.

I have insisted for years, against the ire of many conservatives, that we need a mandatory Parenting 101 course before you take home any goddamn baby. mp.

You on the other hand repeatedly want them jailed despite not committing a crime.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I don't want them jailed at all, its not for the state to tell someone how to parent. Something people have managed to do naturally for countless millions of years before there ever was a state.

Nor is it for the state to steal bread from my mouth to support your family, much less build upon their own incompetents thieving in hiring someone else to navigate the incompetent bureaucracy of their own creation in doing so.

[OddBeMe]

You JUST said if they need a nanny they should be jailed.

And parenting 101 is too much? Lol

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I didn't say I agreed they needed a nanny.

Someone who really needs a nanny is someone who simply cannot be trusted to avoid harming others or themselfs unsupervised. Such a person would be better served in a prison like facility.

I also don't think the goverment is a very good judge of that state so we will have to wait until that person proves their condition with an act that lands them before a court of law.

We don't need you telling us how to do that which animals without any knowledge or intelligence whatsoever have been doing for hundreds of millions of years.

That is after all what you pretend teaching a class is all about, its simply an opportunity for you to super set your idea of how something should be done, just as the social worker is an opportunity to enforce it.

Given how the community as a whole following such ideas is dying I don't see how that would not do more harm than good.

[OddBeMe]

Again that's not what a social worker is and again, that's not illegal. But jail them anyway

And you think parenting101 course is too much. Crazy.

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme Whatever you think a social worker is you can pay for that service yourself out of your own money if you think it worthwhile. Just leave me and everyone else out of it. Your right to tell us what to finance and what we can and cannot do naturally extends no further than what actually harms you directly.

If that is what we are doing then yes take us to court, prove it and jail us.

[OddBeMe]

Can I stop my tax dollars from going to unemployment and schools... as I'm childless?

[Opinion Owner]

@oddbeme I am ok with no more tax dollars going to unemployment or schools, neither of those are good uses of goverment dollars nor justifiable.

Both of which do more harm than good ultimately. While children should be educated that is the responsibility of the parent and ultimately their future employers. we really should as such fund Education via long term loans instead of direct taxation.

[RowdyYates]

Fuck no!!