If a bullied victim goes too far with their revenge, do they become aggressors by then?

[Danielle93]

I'll be 3 examples, one happened in real life and two on an episode. I'll use fake names.

Real life: Girl was bullied by this other girl. She gets into a fight with the bully but continues it when the bully is already down. Then she bangs the bully's head on the pavement 3 times, leaving her with permanent brain damage.

Fiction example: Cindy and Mary are constantly humiliated and tormented (emotionally, verbally) by Janet, the most popular, highest GPA and pretty girl in HS. One day Mary takes revenge in science class and throws acid at Janet, leaving 1/2 of her face disfigured. Janet suffers permanent physical and emotional damage as a result. Mary feels justified but obviously is arrested for aggravated charges and immediately expelled.

Fiction example: Adam has been bullied for years by Justin. One day he get revenge by ambushing Justin from behind and stabbing him a couple times. Then as he's bleeding on the ground and not responding anymore, kicks him a bit. Adam is charged and expelled. Justin survived the attack but with permanent damages.

Bullying is obviously wrong but in these examples, isn't the bullied victim the aggressor by then? Wouldn't they stop being a victim if they take their revenge too far and cause permanent damage to their bully?

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The bully was wrong but the victim caused permanent bodily harm and/or disfigurement. Generally, many people that have been bullied don't take it that far.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I’ve been bullied, I understand that rage of wanting to pay your bully back in kind. I can’t tell you how many times I fantasized about beating the ever-living shit out of my bullies, making then fearful, having that power to make them finally leave me alone by making an example out of one of them, or all of them, back when I was a kid.


I can see how easy it would be for someone who doesn’t have a fully developed brain to let that anger guide them into some truly heinous decisions that reverse the situation and make them the aggressor in the eyes of society. The whole “Yeah, they may have been bad but you took it too far” kind of feeling. Unfortunately, I also can see how this kind of thing would be completely justified in the victim. The system of authority they were told would protect them didn’t do that job, they couldn’t reason with their bully, there was no way to make amends in a way that would have satisfied society and also given them justice, so they did it themselves. Much like The Punisher, the Gotham vigilante hero who has several arrest warrants after him for stepping over the line that Batman toes and killing criminals rather than just turning them in to be arrested. It’s not a good place to be mentally, and whether or not society thinks it’s justified doesn’t matter to these people. At this point, all they want is to make it stop and the only thing that seems to work is violence. It’s unfortunate, but these are people who want justice more than any desire to forgive. These are people that will allow themselves to be dragged into hell if it means they get to take someone who deserves it with them.

[Danielle93]

Fantasizing about beating the hell out of your bully is one thing but to actually transform those thoughts into actions is something not many do. At most, the bullied will get into a fight with the bully (either slapping or throwing punches) but actually throwing acid in someone's face or beating them to the point of brain damage isn't really the normal response. Most don't go that far.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yes, I understand what you presented was not the norm, hence why two of your examples were fictional.

[Danielle93]

The first one in real life isn't really a normal reaction either. Usually in a fight, the one winning already gets up, leaves and calls it a call. They don't continue bashing someone's head into the pavement 3 times.

[Danielle93]

**calls it a day

[Danielle93]

To continue fighting someone that's down and leave them brain damaged, sounds like the individual has anger issues too.

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

Yeah, and we know where they came from. What’s your point?

[Danielle93]

The point is they became dangerous people by then. It's scary how someone can turn into a savage mindset. Then it sadly ends in two lives shattered, the bully with permanent damage and the former victim incarcerated with their future destroyed. Authorities and staff members indeed need to do a better job in protecting others from bullies.

[Anonymous]

Maybe. But I rather look at it as "f*** around and find out".

Some people think their feelings are a justification for anything they do. And sometimes a Karen or a Chad (male version of Karen) makes the foolish mistake of f***ing with someone they shouldn't have. Someone who's not opposed to taking a human life. And while I don't want to see anything go to that extreme, it never had to happen if people would just leave others alone.

I don't get riled very often. But when I do I take no quarter. I'm not going to start something. But I WILL finish it.

[Danielle93]

Those are extreme cases indeed. Few are actually crazy enough to take it that far. Many people that have gotten bullied during their lives, generally don't any of that. So if the majority don't go around throwing acid in someone's face nor beating someone to the point of brain damage, that means most don't have a killer mind.

[strateguy632]

#1 if bully pushed her, physically then self defense is justified even "going far" still needed major to deter future bullying.

[Anonymous]

It’s a story and it’s mine… I was bullied by a few different kids but there was this one we will call him Jack… Not his real name. He was the quarterback. He called me homosexual slurs. Shoved me around. Spread roomers about me and was just horribly mean.

He had a girlfriend we will call her Lacey. She was one of those popular girls who thought her shit didn’t stink. Pretty bitchy and mean. But there was one night at a party I never got invited to parties but I was to this one.

She was there her boyfriend passed our drink. She was screaming being her obnoxious self so I walked up to her and one thing led to another. I had her doing things she’s probably never done. She even confessed that something was bigger then her boyfriends. I had her degrading him. I eventually had some of the other guys there including some of his own teammates just railing her.

She got pregnant long story short. I don’t know if it’s mine but it looked a lot like another football player…. He’s now paying child support for a kid that’s probably not even his. Because from what I haed their relationship was very toxic. He married her out of high school and got Divorced within a year. But he’s still raising a kid that’s not even his.

Part of me feels bad and another part of me thinks he got what he had coming

[loveslongnails]

There are far better ways to neutralize a bully than causing them permanent physical damage. In the first example, the girl who was bullied went too far. That said, a good lawyer would probably get her off if she gets charged with a crime, as I figure she was?

The fictitious examples are both way overboard; they are pre-meditated criminal acts and no amount of bullying justifies them, in my opinion.

[Kaneki05]

FAFO, I don't think any laws should hold a victim in punishment.

[Danielle93]

In the end two lives are destroyed in those extreme cases. The bully suffered permanent damages and the former victim's future is ruined with a criminal record.

[Kaneki05]

That's only cause the law wrongfully punished the innocent. If the law was right only one life would've been ruined and that's the bully.

[NathanDavis]

violence is violence... it will hurt and bleed and can kill the same

[exitseven]

Bullies deserve it.