Is violence against health care executives and companies justified sometimes?

[msc545]

I am not a fan of violence, but health care executives that deny care and medicines to people they insure in order to enrich themselves are doing violence to their policy holders.

Violence is very disturbing and morally wrong, but people are not required to simply lie down and die in response to the sort of selfish tactics that healthcare companies promote as "good business".

We are entitled to self -defense, and if the legal system can't or won't defend us, then self defense is the only alternative. If that self-defense involves serious injury or deaths, it is no more than what insurance companies do to us. Perhaps a few of these incidents will make the officials of these companies decide that the cost to them may exceed their monetary profits and perhaps they will mend their ways.

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CEO's encouraging their companies to withhold lifesaving care from their enrollees to put more $$ in their own and their shareholders' pockets, thereby killing a good number of those enrollees, is what lead to the murder of Thompson. Sadly, none of the mainstream media or the politicians want to talk about those deaths because they were just average Joes and Janes, so deemed not worth enough to care about.

[lightbulb27]

That's a tough call ain't it.

Talk about the start of revolutions... and this is why they start.

If someone held their foot on our necks, we are entitled to self defense. Even Daniel Penny learned that if someone verbally scares him and others, he has a right to defend... to death... even when it was just verbal. So wouldn't a boss whom gaslights or sends a sick person to suffering and death... responsible for assault and battery at minimum and emotional distress lawsuits?

So if when executives torture and murder people by withholding, gaslighting and other means, then I can see the justification to get out the RPG's and send in the hit squads.

Trouble is... they don't owe you anything nor do you have to demand... you just leave, take your money, your talent, your life elsewhere and reward someone else. You can, file lawsuits... the only thing these money grubbers understand. Cancel their stock, stock options... stop giving them ANY MONEY, protest and march. It's the dollar vote. Convince others to vote same. So much in our society is a scam.

What... are we to start attacking Chinese factories because they produce garbage products that fail and waste our money?

That's how it should be done... not shooting people... get executives fired. But, when people "lose it all"... including life, they can "lose it".

[msc545]

Except that the methods you suggest take money, which people do not have for this.

[molonski2]

There was a question about this yesterday , very good detail in the end..

Of course its not justified and 2 will die ( basically ) with 100s affected for zero guilt on one side anyhow.

BUT , here we are , and what's done is done , so if this is the trigger we needed , lets make the outcome at least partly worthwhile , because something just have to give with this utterly horrendous USA system.

[purplepoppy]

But you are required to lie down and take it because this is the system America wants. Any suggestion of anything else is shot down with cried of "communism". No doubt buried away in the small print of your insurance contract there's a clause that says "thanks for the cash but we reserve the right to withhold treatment for any reason we see fit. "

It's not up to one individual to play judge jury and executioner just because he owns a gun. He's educated from a wealthy prominent family, if he felt strongly about this I'm sure he could have campaigned in a better way.

[Anonymous]

if there was no other option, then maybe but that's not the case here

it's not like you're legally obligated to buy private health insurance

no matter the feelings, there's no justification for murder outside of self-defense

[Syntosi]

The alternative to not buying private health insurance in USA is death. If you want to make the argument that killing someone is justified in matters of self defense then killing the decision makers that chooses for you to die becomes a very persuasive argument.

[jshm2]

To be fair, it's not the fault of the companies, but poor government regulation and controls.

Companies exist to make profit, you cannot expect them to develop a soul only in the health sector.

[Twalli]

I doubt the executive personally demanded coverage.

[msc545]

I think you are right, but that is really not the point. Other insurers provide this coverage for their executives, and yet this company, the largest of them all, is too cheap to provide it. The CEO of the entire company makes 23 million per year and I suspect HIS coverage is paid for. I wonder if executives at the level of the guy who got shot get it paid for now - somehow I doubt it.

[Twalli]

Unless the plans are different, which would be a logistical nightmare, he wouldn't have preferential coverage in his own company. If he did get coverage, it would be from another insurers that he got from his wife or civil partner. My mom was a doctor who owned her own practice, she never bought insurance for herself, she got it through my dad despite the fact she provided it to her office staff.

[msc545]

I'm not sure how it would have worked, but a lot of people in the insurance industry seemed very surprised that he didn't have security since it seems to be a benefit that people at his level DO get as part of the employment package. His employer simply said they don't provide it and left it at that. Going forward I suspect they will have to provide it given their pernicious business practices that I suspect they are loathe to modify or give up since they seem to be addicted to profits above all else.

[Twalli]

Which probably means that their plan denies it as coverage across the board. Granted, an executive who makes as much as the CEO can easily afford the price after adjustment

[Astarlessnightsky]

Not justified, but understandable.

[NewWaves]

Not justified

[msc545]

why not?

[NewWaves]

I dunno, crazy thing called murder is bad.

[Anonymous]

Yes..