Do you think Greeks are thieves?

[red-lipstick-girl]

I hate the Greeks because they stole Turkey's food and folk dances.

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Even in our past, we know that we had great food and when the Greeks fought with us, they stole many things. They are thieves, don't tell me otherwise.

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The reason I hate it is that they introduce our food as if it were their own food, for example they call the cacik dish caciki and present it as their own, this is annoying.

[KostasKouvalis]

I've heard people complain about thievery in some of the bigger cities like Athens and Thessaloniki, and on some of the islands, but I didn't really have any problems. Only thieves I encountered were Gypsies.
I think Turks are the ones who are thieves. At every turn someone is trying to scam you.

I'm so sick of this stereotype. How could the Greeks steal it, if Greek culture predates Ottoman culture? They're Greeks were in Anatolia long before the Ottomans. When you're neighbors and have a shared history, there are gonna be cultural crossovers. I would never accuse another culture of "stealing" something. We have "Polish" food that's actually German, Jewish and Russian food, but we call it "Polish" and those groups don't get offended or say we stole it. You Turks have some kind of complex.
Maybe they're similar, but I don't think they're identical at all

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZBDMr4g_-m0https://www.youtube.com/embed/4c-xiEUbqIMhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/4Z3Tqt4pUoohttps://www.youtube.com/embed/mnziKqJEA9Qhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/hpdlGHnQLzQhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/1eGNiz5Iiq0

You're gonna tell me those songs are IDENTICAL?

[KostasKouvalis]

The gyros in Greece were WAY better than your Durums and Kebabs. The EUROPEAN versions of Turkish food were better, but the ORIGINAL, Greek food was WAY better

[KostasKouvalis]

You can fool ignorant uninformed people, but you can't full ME, especially since I've been to both countries

[KostasKouvalis]

Also, a lot of Turkish music was influenced by Arabic and Italian music.

[Levin]

If you're Greek and require assistance from the British empire, I am sure we can help drive the Turkish infidels back and reclaim your rightful land.

[KostasKouvalis]

@Levin I'm not Greek. My screen name is just an alias.
Eh, it's fine. The borders are fine the way they are. Resettling such vast amount of territory would be challenging. The only thing I'd like is to see is Mt. Ararat returned to its rightful owners.

Thanks for the offer though. That was very kind of you. I don't know why everyone says British people are assholes.

[Levin]

Does everyone say that?

And that's okay, it's for the greater good.

Are you American?

[KostasKouvalis]

Actually, maybe we can meet half way and maybe you could at least make Turkish people Christian.

[Levin]

Alas, I wish we could. But I think we're struggling under the yoke of our own problems, these days.

[KostasKouvalis]

@Levin Yeah, people always talk shit about the British.
I am, but my ethnicity is Polish

[Levin]

Okay. Well I'm sure you're very lucky to be surrounded by American women.

[KostasKouvalis]

UNlucky is more like it

[red-lipstick-girl]

I do not deny and will not deny that Greeks are thieves. We also have licensed dishes at least and they even translate these dishes into their own language and serve them to the people. They are thieves.

[Levin]

What's wrong with American women?

[KostasKouvalis]

Well then consider payback for 400 years of Turkish occupation and your for scumbag Ataturk kicking them out of the country which THEY built.

[KostasKouvalis]

@Levin Just their mentality, standards and dating culture in general

[KostasKouvalis]

But their behavior too. They're two faced and untrustworthy.

[Levin]

Feel that. I have an English accent, so should get a free pass, though.

[KingslayerC]

What makes you feel that way, and care about Mt. Ararat? I strongly support this stance, by the way. Also, Arstakh.

[KostasKouvalis]

It has no significance to Turks or Muslims. It's a sacred site to CHRISTIANS. And even though it's not in Armenia anymore, it's still a symbol of Armenia and is more synonymous with Armenia. You can see it in the background of every pic of Yerevan. It just makes no sense for it to be in Turkey. In the 90s, archaeologists couldn't even go there to search for Noah's Ark because Kurds were killing them. Turkey took control of it and doesn't even do anything with it. It would serve a much better purpose if it was back in its native land.
Istanbul they at least did something with. But Mt. Ararat? It's completely useless to them. Just give it back!

[beefcakebradybatson]

Ah yes, the od "Gypsies (Romani) are thieves" stereotype. No wonder they're still subject to persecution. As a member of a typically despised group, I think that old saw disgusting.

[KostasKouvalis]

It's not a stereotype. I even saw a French travel documentary where some Gypsies straight up told the host they're being nice to him 'cuz it's day time, but he better not come back at night😂

[RavVid]

I like that the turks have a saying of 'beware of a Greek bearing gifts' and the greeks have a saying of 'beware of a Turk bearing gifts'.

I guess they stole that too.

I'm just confused whether I should order Turkish or Greek coffee.

[red-lipstick-girl]

😂😂Please no Greek coffee

[RavVid]

OK. Just for you I will only order Turkish coffee even if I am at a Greek restaurant.

[DrPepper12]

Turkish. Can't go wrong.

[RavVid]

@DrPepper12 It won't go down well at the nearby apoikiai but I have promised red-lipstick-girl and I keep my word.

[Anonymous]

That's interesting, coming from the biggest cultural thieves and appropeiators in the Middle East.. You guys, have stolen land from other people, the native Anatolians, traditions, culture and food from other people in the Mediterranean and the Middle East. In Turkish cuisine almost all seafood dishes are of Greek origin, (including fish names) some of the most popular ones; lakerda, pickled mackerel is same in both languages, however it is a borrowed word from latin “lacerda” which means “mackerel”. Same with shrimp, which is “karides” in Turkish, also comes from Greek word “garides".

Also, one of your most famous pastries, Kadayif is an appropriation of a Levantine dessert called Qatayef. Same goes for Dolma food, which as suggested by The Oxford Companion to Food and Wikipedia, likely stems from Armenian culinary traditions before becoming integrated into Turkish cuisine and pilaf, which has its roots in Persian cuisine. Even the word Yunan that you call the Greeks is stolen from old Persian

[Opinion Owner]

The origins of dolma, as suggested by The Oxford Companion to Food, likely stem from Armenian culinary traditions before becoming integrated into Turkish cuisine.[9] William Pokhlebkin, a specialist on culinary history and cookbook author, contends that the dish's inception traces back to Armenian culinary heritage:[10]

"From the 17th to the early 19th century, Armenia was divided between Turkey and Iran. During this period, Armenia's economy, its human and material resources declined, but its spiritual and material culture remained unchanged, and Armenian cuisine did not perish. On the contrary, Armenians contributed to the cuisine of the Seljuk Turks, so many truly Armenian dishes later became known in Europe through the Turks as, allegedly, Turkish cuisine (for example, dolma)."[10]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolma

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilaf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadayif_(pastry)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatayef

[Opinion Owner]

by the way at least 1,375 words in Turkish are loan words from Turkish and 6,516 are loan words from Arabic. The Turks are a fake nation. You've stolen land, food, culture and language from other people, Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and Syrians that have been living in West Asia and the Middle East for centuries before the Turks arrive and slaughter them.
You don't even have an alphabet of your own, you're using the Latin alphabet

www.researchgate.net/.../The-numbers-of-loan-words-in-the-Turkish-dictionary-by-language_tbl1_332314549

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[Opinion Owner]

Typo
*at least least 1,375 words in Turkish are loan words from Persian, as is shown in this article.

www.researchgate.net/.../The-numbers-of-loan-words-in-the-Turkish-dictionary-by-language_tbl1_332314549

[Opinion Owner]

by the way, if you're Turkish yourself, why don't you have any Turkic features? The original Turks were Turkic people from Central Asia/Mongolia.
I bet if you do a DNA test, you'll be surprised

[Alice18]

There are many Greeks living in France, although I have never been in contact with them. I don't think they are bad people. They didn't do anything wrong, except that many of them have a good attitude towards Russia, but the Turks are the same in this topic

But I hear stereotypes that Greeks are lazy 🦥... I don't know it's true or not , but in Instagram there are lot jokes about it. I think it's because warm climate

[KostasKouvalis]

What's wrong with being pro-Russia?
ALL southern Europeans are seen as lazy. I think it's because they're always having siestas and protesting.

I wouldn't really say it's true.

[Alice18]

@KostasKouvalis Russia is fucking nazi country, fuck Russia !

[Alice18]

@KostasKouvalis I'm not again russian nation, but I hate dictator Putin and people who trust him 🤢🤮

[KostasKouvalis]

And Ukraine isn't?😂
How is it a Nazi country? Putin literally told Russians to stop being mean to Muslims so they don't blow them up.

What policies of his do you hate?

[Alice18]

@KostasKouvalis Ukraine is little peaceful country on East Europe. The don't had even army a long time. They did nothing bad to anyone. They is victims 😭😭😭

[KostasKouvalis]

You sure about that?
I was gonna post some links, but they all seem to have been taken down. Big surprise there.
Zelensky violently targeted priests and churches in his own country. His regime abused homosexuals, tortured Russians and suppressed free speech. Russia accidentally dropped a bomb on Poland and Zelensky was immediately calling for NATO involvement.
If Zelensky is such a great leader, why did his own people attempt to depose him right before the war?

[Alice18]

@KostasKouvalis omg, Dude , you full of russian media shit...

[KostasKouvalis]

How can I be full of Russian media shit if Russian media has been completed censored in my country

[Alice18]

@KostasKouvalis Russian propagandists are active on the Internet. In any case, everything you said is an absolute lie. And if you believe that, I have nothing to talk about with you. We French have not yet lost our dignity in politics, unlike in other countries.

[KostasKouvalis]

Well, the one I can confirm is 100% true is Zelensky pushing for NATO involvement when that bomb was dropped in Poland, without an investigation. Because I saw the live meeting on TV.
The others I won't debate you on as I can't find proof, but I remember hearing and reading about it
One of our most prominent journalists was fired for exposing some stuff about Zelensky and Ukraine.

You're French?
Considering you have Macron as your president, I think you have.

[Garud]

History tells us that the Greeks came to plunder the Indian subcontinent and they looted and destroyed the western part of India (which is now Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan).
They were defeated near the Indus river. Though they defeated the local king Porush, they looted him too.
But the plunder was so great that all their whole loot was on one side and the loot of Gandhara (Kandahar) and Porush's kingdom was on the other side.
Then when Chandragupta Maurya re-unified the subcontinent, he again drove the Greeks out of the border of Porush's kingdom.
Later his great grandson Ashoka again divided India for decentralized rule.

[Garud]

But the Turks not only looted India but also destroyed ancient structures. They burnt libraries and killed people to spread Islam. But they failed even after committing so many atrocities.

[molonski2]

Is that why they got so fat? Your should be honoured if that's true , they didn't steal it , they may have copied it , that's a positive.

All Nationalities have influence from other cultures absolutely.

[red-lipstick-girl]

But it's annoying that they introduce it as their own food. Yes, let them eat it, there's no problem. We are people with a rich kitchen, but what they do is very rude.

[molonski2]

That happens with regard every Country thou?

[red-lipstick-girl]

My hatred is not only about food, they fought us a lot at the time, they destroyed many families, otherwise I have no problems with other countries, I don't like people who harm my country.

[molonski2]

Well , that is really a different question then , isn't it? Your question is deep rooted.

[Anonymous]

The Hellenic empires were way tf before modern Turkey. It's more likely that Greek culture played more of an influence on Turkish culture, than vice versa. Past tense. Modern day cultural impact is definitely Turkey over Greece. And it's not even sort of close.

We can just appreciate each other instead of having a culture war though. I grew up listening to Fedon, who was a mix between both cultures. If you like old school Turkish music, you'll like him. Underappreciated compared to giants like Ibrahim Tatlises, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Turkey is litteraly land stolen from the Greeks. All those mosques are stolen greek designs. The Hagi Sofia an important part of greek religious life is stolen. Constantinople was stolen. The turks stole greek children to be slave soldiers. The turks stolen half of crete. The turks stolen greek food Food and parts of uts culture. Turk culture is ver similar to Mongolian culture.

[KostasKouvalis]

👏👏👏👏
Exactly, they were too lazy to built mosques from scratch so they just took churches and covered up the frescos and added a minaret

[Opinion Owner]

@KostasKouvalis even the great ottoman architect Mimar Sinan wasn't Turkish, he was a Christian Greek taken as a slave when he was a boy. He built all their great mosques, and taj mahal was built by his students who were also Greek.

[KostasKouvalis]

They don't give any credit to their predecessors. Anything that wasn't built by the Ottomans that hasn't been converted to a mosque, they completely neglect.

[Opinion Owner]

@KostasKouvalis did you see what they did to the hagia Sofia? They painted over art work that was there for 1000 years.

[KostasKouvalis]

I know, please don't remind me. I didn't know about the art work. The last travel documentary I saw on it, it was still there and I was surprised they didn't paint it over.

Edorgan is a POS

[DrPepper12]

Decaf! Relax!! It's not that deep!!

[Opinion Owner]

@DrPepper12 I think you will find it's balls deep.

[Berethor]

Turks has stolen geeks lands, turks had come from mongolia.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/mongolia-invites-turks-to-visit-their-ancestral-homeland/2715380

[glennos89]

That's so dumb. It makes no sense that you hate all Greeks for that. You are brainswashed because of pride and honestly I find it very shallow minded if you think like that

[slatyb]

That's silly. Of course they're is overlap between adjacent cultures. People will always copy aspects of other cultures, near or far.

[Levin]

Well, the Turks stole Byzantium (Istanbul) and a bunch of Greek territory.

So suppose it's swings and round-abouts?

[Dargil]

It wasn't stealing. It is about Cultural Appreciation. Everybody is Irish on St. Patty's Day. Nobody lost. Everybody gained in both situations.

[Douglas1179]

I can't believe no one has called you a troll. Maybe you deleted their comments. This is just ethnic stereotyping meant to antagonize people.

[red-lipstick-girl]

I'm serious, I didn't delete any comments, people can say whatever they want.

[D_Bone_Steak]

I just hate all of you. Watching you beasts scabble amongst yourselves makes me chuckle.

[Dongie]

The Greeks have been around a lot longer than Turkey. They also have contributed WAY more to civilization than the Turks.

[MarjorieJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG12C1oX5Eo

I was at a Greek festival and they did this dance. It was epic. (so was the food)

[Dongie]

Yep. I had a thing for a Greek woman not too long ago. She introduced me to their dance and festivals. I can't handle watching it still. She said she was hitting menopause. She turned mean as a badger!

[LiamS95]

Sorry I don't know much about either cultures or cuisines.

[Hellraiser1984]

No. I don't. All cultures take from other cultures. I'm sure that Turkish food and dances have origins in Sumer.

[red-lipstick-girl]

No, there is no such thing.

[Staximus]

You're crazy, both countries have been eating the same stuff forever

[Dongie]

Your name says it all. I think the Romans may have been influenced by the Greeks, not sure.

[Staximus]

@Dongie they definitely were.

[Staximus]

Greece and Turkey were part of the Roman empire for 500 years, then part of the Byzantine empire for over a thousand years, and then part of the Ottoman empire for another 4 or 500 years. So they basically have been ruled by the same people for the past 2000 years before the 1900's. Thinking they are not going to have some of the same foods and dances is just retarded

[Dongie]

Yep! The ottomans ruled for 400 years to the day, I believe.

[red-lipstick-girl]

@Dongie The Ottoman Empire ruled for 600 years

[Dongie]

Nah! It began in the 1500s and ended around WWI time.

[Dongie]

I find I've been misled. You are correct, @red-lipstick-girl.

[DrPepper12]

Really? The Eastern Mediterranean has been INTENSELY interconnected for well over 10,000 years.

[Dongie]

Right teacher. And they ruled the known world, what, 2300 years ago? I'd say for such a small country, they've had the biggest impact on the world.

[DrPepper12]

The Greeks? Known world? Pshaw

Alex & Hellenism is a marvel worthy of great esteem. But it doesn't change that Greeks/Turks share most everything

[Dongie]

Alex conquered what is referred to as "the known world"! Right? That is what I was taught. If I'm wrong, that's alright. Perhaps discoveries as of late have changed that view.

[DrPepper12]

@Dongie no he did not. It's eurocentric revisionism. That phrase is no longer used just as "the Great" is no longer used.

[Dongie]

No shit?

[DrPepper12]

No shit

[Anonymous]

it's the other way around darling, the Turkish has stolen literally everything from the Greeks.

[red-lipstick-girl]

No, it's a lie 😠

[Opinion Owner]

of course you would say that, because that's what you learn at your schools, that's what your governments brainwashed you to believe in, I suggest you do some research, learn more about history.

[red-lipstick-girl]

I studied Turkish history from beginning to end and yes, the Greeks are thieves

[Opinion Owner]

Yes sure, thats the Turkish version of the history, sure thing it's biased 🙄
Wasn't the Eastern Roman empire or the Byzantine Empire before Turkey, I guess that says it all, the Turkish stole even their land, and now you are coming complaining about a stupid dish 🙄
They gave thw world civilization, democracy, culture what the Turkish gave the world beside genocide and killing? I guess only food.

[red-lipstick-girl]

They did not deserve Istanbul, my ancestors took it, which is stealing, but of course, if we were a society that was inclined to exploit like the Americans or the British, would you still say these things? We are not thieves, we will never be.

[Opinion Owner]

Who are you to say they didn't deserve it?
And yes I would still say this, I'm American and my country is stealing and robbing from others every day, at least I'm not a hypocrite who lie to myself and try to polish my country's dark history.
But it doesn't matter what you think actually because you can't change history, if you are so ignorant to know about it, msny others know the truth.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Maybe they liked it and wanted to incorporate it into there lifestyle. Are you Turkish?

[red-lipstick-girl]

I find it hard when they present it as their own food.

[Bklynbadboy12]

That's true. Are you Turkish

[red-lipstick-girl]

I am a Zaza living in Turkey, so I have a different origin.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Cool what's a Zaza

[Bklynbadboy12]

Nevermind I just googled it and that's pretty interesting

[red-lipstick-girl]

I wonder what's interesting 😅

[WilliamStormsReturn]

everybodys a thief when it comes to cultural appropiation

[jahaims]

Every culture adopted traditions etc. from other cultures

[beefcakebradybatson]

Sure, as are SOME folk of every background. What do you have against Greeks?

[RedInnocent69]

And Turks stole from Arabs and Persians. What’s your point?

[CuriousKevin_]

What a silly reason to hate people.

[CuriousKevin_]

So you hate people because you find the name of their dish “annoying”

[red-lipstick-girl]

Just as Italians get angry when you break spaghetti and eat it, we also have our red lines.

[CuriousKevin_]

So, someone else’s completely unrelated hatred makes your hatred ok?

[Jennz6]

I never heard about that

[noohair]

The Greeks don't like you either.

[Cheerfull009]

No contact with any Greek uptill now

[nik0102]

Have you ever, seen a history book?

[Twalli]

Technically Greece came before Turkey.

[ChicoFromThe305]

Nope I disagree lol

[HelpfulWoman]

whooo for the racism

[HelpfulWoman]

you're such a troll

[Anonymous]

NEWS ALERT: Türkiye just stole Syria!