Most women who find themselves pregnant are not dumping babies in trash cans or self-aborting. Both of those are drastic measures.
But there are many roads to finding abortions. Flying to another state. Finding a practitioner through word of mouth who will help.
And I'm sure most mature women are practicing safe sex to prevent pregnancies in the first place. Remember, the majority of women who got abortion services were not wild single women flinging themselves around.
Planned Parenthood found that their clients already had at least one child and at least half of their clients were in committed relationships, but simply were not ready to raise/support a second child.
Banning abortions is not going to stop the need for abortions, or force MOST women to carry or keep children that are unplanned due to failure of birth control, which can happen due to medication interference, or improper use of proper birth control.
IF the people who are so set on forcing women to keep children they do not want wish to step up and raise these unwanted children for 18 years, and invest all the money and time it costs to parent these children, I would have less to say about banning abortion.
But the abortion banners are NOT interested in these children and do NOT support their mothers or these children. They do not clothe or educate or house these women and their children. It is ridiculous hypocrisy to say they're saving the life of a child when they do not invest in the child's life past birth and sometimes, not even through pregnancy.
These are the same people who support prisons as punishment for crime and do not invest any money in rehabilitating the criminals housed there. If criminals leave prison after nothing but punishment and no education or skills training, what do they go back to but lives of crime? And capital punishment is abortion at the other end.
im saying those numbers will increase.
totally agree with the rest tho.
" But there are many roads to finding abortions. Flying to another state. Finding a practitioner through word of mouth who will help."
And then, there are states that are proposing legislature to allow them to EXECUTE a woman if she travels out of state to get an abortion. All that's happening is a reversal back to the "coat, hangar and back alley" days.
@loveslongnails exactly. and the fact they won't even care ab the kid after its born js shows they hate women
Precisely. "Pro-lifers" are nothing but "Pro-birthers". When it's in the womb, they're all about "protection"; once it's out, you're on you own. Anti-support, anti-aid, anti-school lunches. Suddenly it becomes "well, you should have thought about that before you spread your legs open".
"Pro-lifers" are the biggest hypocrites on the planet; even worse than maga's.
u They don't think that at all, they just want to punish women in general by forcing them to carry unwanted or unviable fetuses. It's about control to those kinds of people. They don't give any thought to what happens to those women OR those children outside of the pregnancy phase. They are just trash human beings trying to hide beneath the veil of "morality".
Because they are close minded with predetermined beliefs, they only side with arguments that support their idea rather than being open minded to change their opinions with more insight.
I used to believe in ‘Pro Life’ until I heard from the victims (raped, molested, assaulted, etc.) and saw how these people view these victims of abuse. It isn’t ‘Pro Life’ to support 12 yr olds having to cross state-lines to save their life since giving birth at such an age can be life threatening / mentally traumatizing since she may not even learned the ‘Birds and The Bees’ yet and forced to die carrying a rapist’s baby from the rapist’s sperm impregnating her…. It is evil to force this upon a child.
*They pushed the lie that there are abortions after birth happening, which is bullshit. The only evidence I found was a piece of legislation though it wasn’t even passed in the state / doesn’t say anything about it in the actual bill. It was used to justify that their side is ‘Pro Life’ when it really is Anti Abortion and hiding it behind something less radical sounding. I hate we live in a society that abortions have to exist to promote the victim / help the woman though we live in that society so abortions are a must.
you bring up a very good point so I would just like to say personally I would say you take life one step at a time keeping in mind I do not support or have sympathy for people who can't take care of there kids but I do think an abortion is the same as killing your child if you notice a lot of states say its not a life because its not alive but you have to wonder if that child was born what kind of life would they have who would they be how would they look I... please keep fighting not just to keep your children when you find out but also to protect them and raise them right after all imagine if that almost happened to you
id be glad if i was aborted, this world sucks anyways. women shouldn't have to go through birth if they dont want to, end of discussion.
and you do realise, if they ban abortions they’re only banning safe abortions, so more actual women will die while having a diy abortion
im really sorry i know being a women is probably pretty hard but just remember your special no matter what others say or do just like everyone else on this earth God made you for a purpose and thats why your alive
what? idc ab god. keep the convo going
well even if you dont im sorry that its so hard for you ik life can be tough
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This argument assumes that restricting abortion leads to an increase in infanticide, but the reality is more complex. There have always been tragic cases of child abandonment and harm, both in societies where abortion is legal and where it is not. The key factor isn’t abortion laws but social conditions—poverty, lack of support, and personal circumstances. Instead of assuming that banning abortion will make women resort to harming children, wouldn’t it make more sense to focus on improving support systems for mothers and children? Providing better resources, education, and community support reduces harm far more effectively than unrestricted abortion ever could.
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That's like asking why do people think mass deportations will stop illegals from coming?
The fact is that most abortions are completely unnecessary and many are using it as a form of contraception rather than taking responsibility for their reproductive rights.
unnecessary? what do u think would happen to that kid if it would’ve been born. what do u think would happen if unloving parents took care of a kid? maybe ur 2 braincells could figure that out. nobody is having abortions as a form of contraception. ok so my guess is you’ll never have sex until u want kids?
Yes. Unnecessary, most abortions in the United States, all 600,000 per year is down to having unprotected sex and as we both know unprotected vaginal intercourse leads to pregnancy.
If abortion was banned there would be a lot less than 600,000 unwanted babies being aborted each year.
u didn't answer my question. what do u think would happen to those kids? those kids who have parents who dont love them? answer the question.
What would happen to those kids is they wouldn't be conceived in the first place. Hence why I said most abortions are unnecessary. You took sex ed right?
omfg🤦♀️ what would happen to those kids if their abortion was denied? smartest pro-lifer ever
You are a retard. Please use contraception
so ur js gna ignore my question? im alr on birth control but for other reasons
I think you will find i did
u didn't tho. what do u think will happen to the kids who grow up with parents who dont love them because their abortion got denied? simple question, what do u think?
They won't be conceived because their mothers knew there'd be no quick fix abortion
bro what? r u fucking retarded? im talking about the kids who ARE conceived bc their abortion got banned.
Well their mother won't get pregnant again 2nd time will she? There won't be 600,000 unwanted children conceived, maybe 10,000 at most.
WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT? THATS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING.
im gonna ask u again, fucking retard.
WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE KIDS WHO ARE BORN, INTO UNWANTED FAMILIES BECAUSE OF THE ABORTION BAN? is this clear enough for u?
I think those kids will grow up, get to live and experience all the joys of life along with all the misery. There will be more babies for couples to adopt. More importantly there will be less unwanted pregnancies once there are real world consequences and no abortion being used as contraception.
oh u think kids who have parents who dont love them will live a good life?💀 they’re more likely to get neglected and abused.
there's alr loads of kids to adopt, so dont pull that card.
nope, ur js banning safe abortions, women will shove up a clothing hanger up there and bleed out so now women are gonna die by unsafe abortions, all thanks to u. and nobody is using abortion as a contraception
Contraception is 99% effective the only way to get pregnant is intentionally or by making the bad decision to have unprotected sex thus abortion is being used by 600,000 per year as Contraception and half of the women who have had abortions have already had one or more abortions. Back when women were using coat hangers as you say there was no contraception, there is no longer any excuse for abortions.
I wasn't aborted and I came from a pretty bad home when I was adopted, I'm glad my mother didn't abortions me and that I was given the gift of life. I use contraception always, if I didn't I would abstain or do what all of our great grandparents did and that is heavy petting.
I've volunteered for an organisation that help the grieving mothers of abortion who mourn their dead children. Nobody in planned parenthood warned them about that.
and what ab that 1%?
women use coathangers today for various reasons. k good for u. personally i won't risk my life for a kid i won't give a fuck ab, but u do u ig.
The risk you take for having sex. If you are having unprotected sex and shutting around you should be more worried about STDs
and what ab rape?
I was the child of rape. I'm glad I got to live.
did ur parents love u? did the rapist stay?
My mother put me up for adoption thankfully. Her rapist got jail for 2 years.
so ur parents didn't love u, good u got into a good family until it was too late
But I'm alive. I wasn't aborted
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okay? good 4 u? u wouldn't know if u were aborted and u haven't done anything significant to society so i dont think it would make such a difference
The woman who carried me would carry the guilt knowing she ended a life.
some do, and they usually get therapy for it, some dont
Well she didn't have to carry the guilt of it, therapy doesn't always help.
why not? sure, but sometimes it does
It's like taking an aspirin. The pain is still there
yeah thats life. but for many women it would be even worse if they didn't have that abortion.
They would have their child and wouldn't be in mourning
and how do you know that? what if the mother is a terrible one? what if they’re poor?
The child still gets to live
and? it gets to live on the streets if they’re poor. usually unloved. maybe even abused. would u seriously force ur own kid to go through birth js bc ur selfish?
Been through all of that but thankfully I'm alive
Thank you for revealing that the saying “a mother would never harm her child” is complete false
anyone who believes that is delusional
I think abortion is better than giving birth a baby but not being responsible or not having money to pay and taking care of the baby. Makes the baby suffer.
It won't stop anything, but it'll lower the changes to the point where it's not a problem.. Nothing perfect in this world, just do what was the best it can.. I doubt women will start mass throwing kids in garbage cans..
no it won't, women are gonna start shoving themselves down stairs, get a cloth hanger inside there, and worse stuff, which is gonna result in more WOMEN dying.
Women are not that desperate to get rid of their kids.. Some might result to that but most won't..
r u dumb? many more will. those statistics will get sm higher if the abortion ban goes through
fkn retard
Nah, goes statistically and historically that hasn't been the case.. You give people stricter rules to follow and they start to get in line..
when abuse got illegal, do u think parents stopped abusing their kids? no. they js did it without others noticing. and they still are. sure its decreased. thats bc nowadays its normalised, but many still do it.
Abuse was always illegal.. LOL.. Like I mentioned, nothing in this world is perfect.. Doesn't mean people shouldn't try.. And yes historically strict laws on abortion has stopped people from doing silly things like killing their child..
okay, ”assult kids” then, if thats more understandable.
when rape is such a huge issue nowadays, more and more women will need abortions. id love to see ur sources
Assaulting children and killing them through abortion or purposeful negligence are two different things..
Rape is not a huge issue, it's literally less than 1% of the reasons for abortion.. I'd love to see yours..
bro r u dumb? rape is a HUGE issue, im not talking ab that. im talking ab rape itself and how its increasing. im still waiting for urs.
It's not increasing though.. Where did you get that idea?
www.statista.com/.../ and thats the only reported ones, and lets not talk about the ones in my country
Yeah, but that's not based on gender.. That could include men as well.. And it says you're in the U. S..
why would the gender matter? im not in the us?
even if men are included, everyone knows women get raped more.
I assume you wanna focus on women getting raped.. I was saying that if it includes men, and the definition changing maybe that's the reason for the slight increase. And so you're not in the U. S..
i think you’ll survive. wow the American doesn't know other countries than usa exsists. I don't know why it says so in my profile and i can't change it.
Yeah I'm not tripping.. And no, I just don't know your country.. It says U. S so I would think it would be safe to assume that you're in the U. S.. But I guess not.. You can just edit your profile..
no i can't.. I've tried.. and i cannot find it.. im from sweden.. surprise…
Aw wow.. I thought people from Sweden were nice.. LOL.. Who knows maybe you are a sweet girl outside of the net..
LMAO then you’ve never been in sweden… yeah no
No I haven't.. Would like to visit though.. And yes I know that humans will be humans.. There's plenty of Swedish jerks..
never met a nice swede
Maybe I'm mixing up Sweden for another European country.. LOL..
yeah
Those who consider the baby's life instead of the woman's life definitely do not have empathy. It is possible to have another baby, but it is not possible for a woman to be resurrected. Therefore, no one should have a say in the matter of abortion except for women.
The ban on abortion seeks to send child murderers to prison, because currently women who murder children do not go to prison because we live in a matriarchy.
yes they do? murdurers get jail time
u Because ultimately, abortion should not have the protection of the law.
why?
What is an abortion? What does it do? What is its object?
to remove a fetus from a womans uterus?
Okay. What is a fetus?
an embryo, what r u trying to get out of this? js google man
It's called the Socratic method. It's intended in part to get interlocuters to think about what they believe.
That said, my next question is this. Is the embryo living?
sure but its also a parasite
Is a parasite ever NOT dependent on its host?
nope a parasite is always deprndant on its host, thats why im saying a FETUS is a parasite, not a born baby
So at what point is it not a parasite anymore? And why?
when its born, bc it doesn't need to feed of the energy of its host. this is common sense. u should know this. now let me ask u, in what way do u have comfort in knowing that ur ruining so many ALREADY alive womens and girls lives by supportinh this rule?
So let's say a baby is born prematurely, like my twins were (six weeks). What was the difference between them and another baby still in thr womb? The "when they're born" argument holds no water whatsoever.
then it doesn't use the mothers energy anymore, which a parasite does. what do u not understand? how does it not? and why r u ignoring my question?
Can a baby feed, dress, or otherwise take care of itself? I'm a father of three kids, all under five. They're as helpless as the day is long without a responsible adult around.
And yes, I am ignoring your question. Why? Because it's very clearly in bad faith and I don't accept the premise. As such, I'm not going to waste my time or energy and I'm not going to give you the satisfaction. You don't want to try to learn anything about me or why I believe the way I do about abortion. You want to grandstand. So no, I'm not going to answer your question.
nope, im saying a parasite uses the ENERGY of its host like a fetus takes ENERGY from the mother. yk how a pregnant woman can't eat certain stuff bc it can damage the baby? like that.
do u have a daughter? what if she got raped? would u force her to carry it to term? risk her life maybe even kill her? bc of YOUR choice?
Well I think they're mostly trying to get the woman to be more mature in handling her brith control and stop using abortion as birth control
Why did you put the word "dying" in inverted commas? When a child is aborted that's what happens; they die.
bc its a fetus and it was never really alive
sure but its not a baby until its born, id always put the woman before the fetus.
nah id js say remove it, but even if scientists came out that fetuses are always alive, id still support abortions. no woman should have to suffer in such way.
You're being completely incoherent here. You're basically saying that a foetus is alive, and yet not, and at the same time. Is this a Zen koan (you know, like "What is the sound of one hand clapping?")?
And a child isn't an "it", gender being something that develops early on in the development of the "foetus".
The "pro-choice" position is just so horribly inconsistent and illogical, based upon feelings rather than facts.
personally, id say a fetus is alive, but not really alive since it doesn't have feelings, thoughts or conciousness. yes a child is an ”it”.
and why does it matter if its alive? so is the woman, shouldn't the woman be prioratized?
by that logic we shouldn't ban any crime
just legalize all crime and we'll see less of it, am I right?
Can you present those statistics? I know Google is free but you are the one making the claim so please provide evidence.
Because every abortion results in the death of one or more children. THAT is why.
so you’d rather ruin a alr alive womans life, by forcing her to give birth to a kid she won't even love and take care of?
I think it is murder for someone who has been pregnant for more than 3 months to have an abortion.
wasn't my question.
@ottoman_turk How about late term abortions? They're essentially end of life decisions by the obvious next of kin. Nobody carries a healthy pregnancy for months on end before deciding to end it for no reason; it's usually because the fetus has not developed properly and will suffer and die over its short life.
Well those women go to prison too don’t they
and how about we let the woman have an abortion and a kid wouldn't have suffered?
Still murder. How about…. Don’t have sex if people had standards and boundaries like you have
and how ab rape? and if the condom breaks? and if the father leaves or dies when she tells him she's pregnant?
Rape is horrible but a innocent life doesn’t deserve to die. I think that foster homing a child is a option also abortions are very traumatic as well.
Rapists should get life in prison. But the same people who defend abortion for this exception vote in horrible prosecutors and judges who absolutely refuse to punish rapists
oh okay so another life, the woman that was raped, her life deserves to be ruined. totally makes sense, and what happens when those mother neglect the kid? what will u do then?
No her life doesn’t deserve to be ruined I agree she should have help either adopting it or raising it
It’s not fair for a innocent life either to be snuffed and never have a chance
A person who abuses children should be locked up. Just like we shouldn’t euthanize already born children because well it’s better then….. X, Y, or Z
wdym help? and do yk how awful adoption centres r? the kids get neglected and abused.
sorry but who the actual fuck cares. nobody will love it and it’ll most likely kill themselves bc they’re neglected. this is fucking common sense retard, ur not getting a cookie.
Again children need to be protected. But I guess by that logic why not euthanize the kids in there and just end their suffering.
Also I’m not calling you names…. You’re scooping to that level because obviously you’re the hateful one as well as the fact that you don’t have a argument.
Try writing in basic English I can barely understand your chicken scratxub
*scratch
u do that, but you’ll be a murderer. bc u killed an actual human being with thoughts and sense. fetuses dont.
yes bc ur fucking retarded. ur the kind of man to leave ur girlfriend if she's pregnant and then complain if she gets an abortion.
I don't actually agree with that and anyone with reading comprehension would know that. But fetuses are humans as well who deserve a chance.
But see there you go again name calling. Search your heart and figure out where all your hate and bitterness comes form.
no they are not, and no they dont. the actual living human should ALWAYS come first, and if she doesn't want it. it won't happen.
hate and bitterness? ur the one who supports forcing TRAUMATIZED women give birth and have to take care and get reminded of their rapists face every single day, but oh i js remembered ur a man. u can do wtv u want, js leave and do wtv u want like u always do.
tell me, if u were 17 and ur girlfriend got pregnant, what would u do?
Here we go with hypothetical questions thinking I want to have a conversation with someone who is calling me names. You’re not going to get the answer you want to hear point blank. You can ask me all the baiting questions you want and hurl all the insults you want. It’s not happening
ok so ill take that as a you’d leave and never see her again. like every other man. basic.
Did I ever say that? No I didn’t. Again here you go making things into something it’s not. If I had a partner and she was raped that would be absolutely horrible and I would fight to get the Justice she deserves.
But I know leftist brains think. Let’s take the guns and police away. That will stop rape!
You also told me in earlier posts that you never said things about all men to which you just did.
So you’re trying to get me to give you the answer you want to hear. You ask questions and don’t like it when people answer them
am i wrong or right? i didn't say raped tho soo. only the guns, the police r fine
i never said all men, i js said ”every other men” like not every, but every other. i see how a man can misunderstand that.
Try gaslighting all you want but you just did to again.
Well just using leftist logic
lmao can't accept the truth
No you can’t
nope u cant🤦♀️
Okay this conversation is over have a good day
It’s just not worth it
lmao weak
I’m not engaging with someone as weak minded as you are. Now leave it where it is you just want to troll not have productive conversations
lmao
Because it does.
how?
you're ending a innocent.
yeah and ur ruining an innocent womans life, ever thought of that?
ah wait no, u dont care ab women. u js want women to suffer and never succed in life.
dont have sex without dealing with the consequences. When will women accept responsibility for their actions? Oh, right, never ! You want your cake and eat it to. Abortion is a privilege to white and/or middle to upperclass women who want to engage in hookup culture as 18-37yr olds and abort any unexpected pregnancy as they pursue a career, meanwhile poor lowerclass - predominantly black women- are stagnating their population from growing. Its oppression to them. You people are nothing more than selfish fools blinded by your own desires.
yeah thats why im never having sex. ah yes like all the men leaving women when they find out their pregnant and the women become single moms? but no, WOMEN r the irresponsible ones.
so when women sleep with one man she's a whore but when a man does the same AND gets her pregnant AND leaves, he has all the right to? as i said, im never having sex so dont blame me🤷♀️🤷♀️
Same reason arson Is illegal.
ur the type to leave ur pregnant girlfriend and never see her again and then complain if she talks ab abortion.
You don't even know my name. You can't make assumptions about me like that.
i can, u seem like the type
You will grow out of it.
grow out of what?
Sure that, and it's a bean sized fetus.
It's just a step in that way
Stupidity
it's a scapegoat.
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