This is just one segment of it. They ended up kicking out all the reporters and cameras and Zelensky was supposed to have lunch with Trump, but he ended up leaving town.
Yes the whole world saw it. I watched the entire meeting in the hope that Trump might finally understand the plight of Ukraine against immoral Russian aggression. The meeting started out quite cordially but Trump and Vance repeatedly stated factual errors and made patronising comments about Volodymyr Zelenskyy right in front of him. You could see Zelenskyy getting more and more visibly annoyed.
Then Trump turned it into another opportunity to talk about how much he loves himself. It was becoming increasingly bizarre.
Finally, after listening to JD Vance make an astonishingly ignorant claim that engaging in diplomacy with Russia is the best course of action, Zelensky sought to ask a question. Vance accepted. So Zelenskyy pointed out how many times Russia has reneged on diplomatically brokered agreements and asked “what diplomacy”? Very clearly and correctly pointing out Russia’s historically abysmal lack of diplomatic integrity. Vance spat the Dummy because his and Trump’s delusional fantasy was questioned.
After this, was the disgraceful public haranguing of Volodymyr Zelensky we have all been seeing snippets of on every news broadcast for the last 24 hours.
@bayoubob I want USA to honour the agreement they signed in exchange for Ukraine giving up their nuclear weapons. That means defending Ukraine. By not helping, the US is further damaging its already abysmal diplomatic integrity.
Trump seems perfectly happy fighting the war for Israel. Just saying.
You mean you want the USA to enter World War III. You are a virtue signaler. Will you go to Ukraine and fight to death for an unwinnable war? Nope. But, you think the "parts cannon" aka the United States of America's money printing presses can be thrown at the situation and be successful? No. Ukraine is not innocent in this matter themselves.
What does the war with Hamas/Gaza vs Israel have to do with the price of tea in China? Just saying.
@bayoubob Ok listen and you might actually learn something. I am not “virtue signalling” this is not about me, this is about international law and security. Here is the short version of why the United States of America is legally obligated to defend Ukraine against an aggressor: THEY SIGNED THE BUDAPEST MEMORANDUM PROMISING EXACTLY THAT IN EXCHANGE FOR UKRAINE’S NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT!
Ukraine also IS innocent. They were going about their own business and had just elected a new president who was vocally anti-corruption and pro EU as opposed to pro Russia. Crimea was already occupied and Russia INVADED THE REST OF UKRAINE. It was not provoked. Russia BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW. They were also part of the Budapest Memorandum swearing to respect the sovereignty of Ukraine which they obviously HAVE NOT.
This is a black and white issue.
Would I go and fight to my death? If my government sent me, yes. I am not in charge and do not make the rules.
It is not an “unwinnable war”. Victory for Ukraine and international order would simply mean Russia ceasing the occupation. This is very achievable with the help of the EU and USA. The EU alone has a higher population and a much larger economy than Russia.
The fact Trump is fine with supporting Israel’s war and not Ukraine’s betrays not only his hypocrisy but his insular ideology and inability to comprehend geopolitical consequences.
That’s absurd. If you’re gonna talk about violated agreements, Russia was promised nato wouldn’t expand and take all look around at how much it has expanded. Then the Ukraine situation would have never happened if Obama and Biden had never barged in there to overthrow that country’s democratically elected government to install one of their preference hence initiation the civil war in Ukraine where thee or own government started to kill its own people and preventing ambulances from helping the injured as the others sang to the ukranian anthem, THAT was an insurrection, NOT jan6 as democratic brainless leftists try to repeat in USA. One of their reasons they needed this war was to cover up bidens family corrupt dealings in Ukraine among other pathetic agendas of which doesn’t benefit any civilian other than their greedy selves.
Putin didn’t want this war, he was forced into it. Minsk II Minsk II Minsk II for years and years ignored ignored ignored, finally enough is enough, he goes in and they’re like Minsk II? And Russia is like what? 🤯
War is awful but when someone keeps punching and posing threats, eventually you’re just gonna kick back, and the people who were oblivious of the situation will just see you kicking back and side with the culprits. Pathetic.
@1073sucks That’s all disinformation. You’ve bought into right wing spread Russian propaganda. These are the real facts: Preventing NATO expansion was not part of the Budapest Memorandum. In fact Russia was fine with the idea that Ukraine may join NATO when the idea was first floated in 2012. There has never been a an agreed plan for Ukraine to join NATO.
Russia violated international law when they reneged on the Budapest Memorandum by annexing Crimea. When they struck Minsk II Russia again reneged by not withdrawing their troops from the territory.
The war has nothing to do with covering up crimes by Joe Biden’s family. Barack Obama and Joe Biden also had nothing to do with Ukraines election processes. That is absurd conspiracy theory spread by MAGA idiots and you should frankly be embarrassed for even mentioning it. Sorry but you have bought into ridiculous lies and not had the rationality or self awareness to realise it.
Donald Trump and his mental asylum of a cabinet including an unhinged, drug addicted Elon Musk are currently causing this situation to be far worse than what it should be due to all their actions playing right into the hands of Russia who are the criminal aggressors in this war. People have literally died whose lives could have been saved if Trump and Elon didn’t cut satellite surveillance and air defence from Ukraine. Blood is on American hands and Russia can’t believe their luck.
“Disinformation” because it wasn’t fed to you by leftist propaganda. That’s the leftist go to tactic. They label anything “disinformation” if it doesn’t along with THeIr narrative.
This IS what happened. If you prefer to believe words fed to you rather than facts, it’s because you’ve been conditioned to do that for too long and Kiley too old to be fixed. There’s still hope though. Lay off the propaganda every once in a while.
@1073sucks That’s very, very wrong. I am stating actual facts which are backed by reputable sources and officially recognised documentation and not “leftist propaganda”. You clearly have a heavily tribalistic political identity and believe the opinion you identify with rather than verifiable fact. It is not accepted that Crimea voted to become part of Russia. That actually is pure Russian propaganda i. e disinformation. You really have been very easily beguiled by Russian propaganda. The facts on that are this:
1. Russia illegally held an election in a foreign country which makes it invalid under international law anyway and constitutes political foreign interference which is a violation of international sovereignty laws.
2. Russian media claimed 83 - 90% of Crimean residents turned out but in reality it was less than 30% and the result reported by Russia was inordinately in favour of Russia which strongly aligns with the pattern of Russias own elections which are demonstrably rigged. Russia have one of most corrupt electoral commissions in the world and the government punishes whistle blowers with death and torture as well as threats to their families.
So, no what you think is not what happened at all and telling me to lay off propaganda is uproarious hypocrisy.
Embarrassing that America is so committed to being CLEARLY on the wrong side of history. This one’s not about money. You have to stand up to Putin, no matter the cost. If the U. S. sides with Russia in this, that’s the ultimate WWE “heel turn” move. Never thought America would be “the bad guy” THIS obviously. Just truly embarrassed to be from here and represented by this clown show of heavy air-quotes “leadership.”
@WhiteSteve
History is about the outcome not your own ideological desires.
Almost no matter what the Ukraine is going to lose this war, and Zelesnky's lack of negotiating skills is a fairly good indication why they are still in the war and didn't avoid it.
@monorprise So we’re just rolling over for Putin, because that’s what history wants?
Where was all this anti-Ukraine talk before negotiations took this pro-Russia turn? It’s almost as if you guys just go with whatever narrative Trump pushes. Like I’ve got people, all of a sudden, after three years, trying to turn around tell me Ukraine started this. This is absolute delusional insanity.
Because they were presented with an alternate perspective.
It's completely normal to change your opinion on an issue after learning more about it.
It turns out that more often than not, the minority opinion ends up being the correct one
I don’t know, man, it seems real obvious to me who the good guy is and who the bad guy is. I don’t understand what’s happened to us as Americans, that we’re willing to stand by and just watch and make excuses for a villain, while trying to spin the story and say the hero is actually the villain. There’s “alternate perspectives” and there’s “abject nonsense that someone just said out loud”, and we’ve clearly lost our ability to reliably discern between the too, in the name of “free speech.”
Holy shit, man. Just holy shit.
Not really.
Tucker Carlson had been talking about it for years.
But let's assume for a moment you're right, it's not any different from Liberals just blindly believing and siding with whatever Democrats tell them. I've seen those videos where Liberal college students supported Trump's policies when they thought they were Biden's and Obama's and vice versa.
@WhiteSteve Again history is whom ever wins, not who follows your ideology. Do you really think Genghis Khan or the Roman's were nice people?
Russia was always going to win the war against the non-NATO state of Ukraine 1/4th their size in population and tiny in land. We were just asking for an alienated Russia when we invited everyone but them into NATO to align against them.
Too many people thought they could just beat down Russia and the fact that Russia didn't win this war within weeks is a testament to their own incompetent corruption and the strength of NATO weapons backing of Ukraine.
The fact that it has gone on for 3+ years now draining both countries of resources and blood however is NOT a good thing.
We needed a strong Russia nominally independent instead we have a weak Russia that is now a client state of China. That is a Geo-political disaster for the free world!
Who dominated Ukraine by contrast was never mattered at all.
So we risked and lost big on the account of a pawn.
@WhiteSteve
We can both agree Putin is a bad guy, but that doesn't change the fact that his role in the world is far more important and central to the "Good" in the world than the Ukraine.
In the real world there are few "good guys" what we have to be concerned with is who is important to balance and secure the world.
Putin and his Russia like it or not were very important to the security of the free world. Pushing them into the Chinese camp was terrible move that hurts the "good guys" far more than letting him have Non-NATO Ukraine ever would have.
If we really wanted Ukraine in our camp they would have been added to NATO after a mutual defense pack.
This is what Trump nearly did before Zelesnky insulted our country.
Is “no matter what the cost” hyperbole? Cause I’m sure Ukraine could use more soldiers. Suit up son.
Don't confront Trump ala Churchill vis a vis Hitler and see Fascism and World War Three in the not-too-distant future. Trump's groupies, of course, cheer their man-baby's obtuseness, not caring that he's their representative on the world stage.
Monorprise, like most of his dull-normal kind, believes in reapolitik, i. e., the rule of the strong over the weaker. War criminal Henry Kissinger was its primary U. S. proponent.
@beefcakebradybatson Russia is in no position to attack any significant power, they couldn't even take on insignificant Ukraine 1/4th their size.
World war 3 only happens if we attack Russia and force them to use their nuclear weapons to defend themselfs. That is what giving Zelesnky what he wants will lead to.
@beefcakebradybatson Whether or not you believe in power, power is what governs the world. The strong will overpower the week and it is only by such strength that any other order is imposed.
Driving Russia into a Chinese client state has given the Chinese dictators all the resources they will ever need making them in theory as strong or stronger than us.
That is what you accomplished fighting your idealistic crusade.
Where IS F**ker Carlson?
Trump and Vance are a total disgrace. Awwww poor babies little Zelensky will not say thank you (which of course he has for the Ukrainian people so many times) . Pathetic. America you must be so proud... not
I'm very proud, time that little weasel got bitch smacked. Because Biden sure as hell never would have.
Zelensky is the one acting like an spoiled brat who didn't get what he wanted
The Trumpbots are EXTREMELY proud of their man's disgusting behaviour.
those were 200 BILLIONS of our hard earn tax money that dumb fuck name Joe Biden sent him. the least he can do was say thank you instead of acting like a tough guy and refusing to take the peaceful option that can save his and the whole Ukraine's asses and not risk the rise of World War 3
@beefcakebradybatson yup. 100% proud of a president who is trying to stop a war and stop American taxpayer dollars going to fund that war. Think about how fucking mental you have to be to want the killing to continue.
@seeyounexttuesday if we are Trumpbots what would that make people like him? retardedbot?
nah more like Irrationalbot cause I'm pretty sure that even a retard would be worry about World War 3 that will lead to people dying and a collapse in the economy
@seeyounexttuesday Of course you are. You're a mindless Trumpbot !!!
@beefcakebradybatson and person who wants to see World War 3 become reality should not be calling others "mindless"
You have a lot of fucking nerve. Where is that you are from? I'm guessing it's from some damn Country that wouldn't be what it is today without America. Most certainly you'd be speaking German, Japanese, Russian, or Chinese as a result. Another ungrateful bitch just like Ukraine being ungrateful ass hats that allows you to be free.
@Filthy_Immigrant Trump just recently, signed a deal to pay 200 billion of your hard earned tax money to your techbros who obviously push inflated AI models that are stupidly overpriced
He'll also keep them out of taxation as standard policy and you'll cheer for it
So stop pretending to give a fuck about tax money
@Darklydarkened why I am not surprised that you are from Ukraine yourself?
Oh, so NOW you care about tax money? Funny how that works. You had no problem watching billions of OUR hard-earned dollars get funneled into your corrupt little money pit of a country, but the second we invest in something that actually benefits us, you start crying. Typical.
Maybe if your people spent less time begging for handouts and more time fighting your own war instead of relying on daddy America to do it for you, you wouldn’t be in this situation. But hey, why bother when you can just sit back and watch the U. S. bankroll your survival, right?
At this point, Ukraine isn’t a country—it’s just the world’s most expensive welfare project. And you? Just another ungrateful beneficiary trying to lecture the people actually paying the bills. Pathetic.
@seeyounexttuesday Too bad for the killings, but RUSSIA invaded Ukraine, not the reverse.
@Filthy_Immigrant I'm not from Ukraine, was living there when I opened this account
And you're still not answering, just making retarded supremacist rhetoric
And you, as an American citizen, are literally a slave to your rich elite who are openly buying your elections be it republican or democrat
Your opinion literally is baseless
@Darklydarkened "And you're still not answering, "
What question have you asked that you need an answer for? I do not see a question mark from you anywhere.
The concern about techbros is real - a step closer to the one world government, transhumanism, what mystics throughout history described sometimes described as "ahriman" incarnating.
The deals to techbros you see on the news are also ritualistic and lining up numerically to the rest of jesuit rituals, which are all major events in every single war right now.
This is a summary, and usually retards on this site delete the details if i post.
@Lowly_Grumper What the fuck you're on about?
I can't believe the levels of ignorence in American people whenever I converse anything political with them on this site
@Darklydarkened good question. Finally a question worth a thoughtful answer.
@Filthy_Immigrant You love him because he validates your bigoted viewpoint.
@beefcakebradybatson calling someone who wants two groups of white people to stop killing each other “bigot” is peak liberal stupidity
@Darklydarkened Ah, so now you’re not from Ukraine? You were just 'living there' when you made this account? Convenient timing for that little clarification. Sounds like someone realized their argument was falling apart and needed a quick escape route.
Also, what ‘question’ are you talking about? Your last comment was just you crying about tax money while conveniently ignoring how much of it your beloved Ukraine has drained from us. No question marks, no actual points—just pure cope.
And calling me a 'slave to the elite' while defending the same corrupt politicians who sent billions to your buddies overseas? That’s rich. Maybe instead of worrying about who’s controlling America, you should ask yourself why Ukraine needs to be on financial life support just to exist.
My opinion is baseless? Bro, your entire country is running on our money. Sit this one out
@Filthy_Immigrant Ukraine drained nothing, US is keeping a global hegemony and like it or not, it works by funding its geopolitical designs
Attempting two coups, constantly pushing for aggressive anti Russian attitude in Ukraine, forcing Russia into military action by closing every other avenue, not complying official agreements is fine and all
But it also means US can't back down from anything when some Pro Putin filthy rich merchant is elected
To me, it doesn't matter. I am just laughing as US is actively undermining its own pax americana, and with all this deficit, this isolationism Trump's pushing will help only their rich elite wheras idiots like you will get shafted
And you're flat out delusional if you think a 33 million people's country is "run" by your few billion
@seeyounexttuesday Yeah, does he say a thing to Putin who started the war? Does his sidekick Elon, constantly tweet about all those Kazakh, Kryghz people Russia are desperately trying to recruit in steppe areas?
Russia's total casualties are way beyond Ukraine's but they're just accusing Ukraine with needlessly killing their people
War, is no game, US did all it could to start it, and now Trump can't just expect Ukranian nation to let go quarter of their land, and also hand over their mines to US
Zelensky's in a weak position and he should've prepared ending the war instead of hoping that Biden's win so that Russia will somehow pushed out in a few years.
But, this whole charade really proves US is unreliable and unworthy of being an ally
Nordstream is hit, and rumour has it Trump's government wants a share in the renewed pipeline
Flat out Roman style explotive colonisation
@Darklydarkened Oh, so now Ukraine didn’t drain U. S. money? Cute rewrite of history. Tell me, how exactly does a country survive on tens of billions of dollars in foreign aid while pretending it’s self-sufficient? That’s like a trust fund baby acting like they ‘built their empire’ when mommy and daddy foot the bill.
And please, spare me the ‘global hegemony’ speech. The U. S. didn’t force Ukraine to be a corrupt money pit incapable of standing on its own two feet. Your country has been on international welfare for years, and instead of gratitude, all we get is smug attitude from people like you who love to pretend they don’t need us—until the next check clears.
As for me getting ‘shafted’ under Trump? Bro, I’d rather keep my tax dollars in my own country than burn them on a nation that can’t even fight its own war without outside funding. If that hurts your feelings, maybe you should be asking why your government sold you out to begin with.
But hey, keep laughing while your country begs for scraps. Must be real funny watching someone else pay your bills
@Filthy_Immigrant 10 billion dollars in a war is nothing
And nobody is supporting them out of goodness of their hearts, US is trying to force Russia into such a conflict for decades
Ever since Orange revolution
And no, I am not Ukranian even though you are trying so desperately to frame me to pretend
"? Bro, I’d rather keep my tax dollars in my own country than burn them on a nation that can’t even fight its own war without outside funding. "
No country in the world can fund itself in a war, the entire reason of capitalism's ascencion in Europe was fanned by the need to loan to wage war, anyway, history is too complicated for your simple American brain so I'll not elaborate on that
Your tax dollars, is going to set unhinged towards the ultra rich, who'll buy more of your country's assets, and you'll become ever increasingly poorer
Which is natural, and just so to speak. Being this big an idiot should have some long term remifications
@Filthy_Immigrant Like seriously, you think American government can fund itself in a war? It can't, it'll create massive budged deficit and debt to sustain itself. That is the whole point of the thing.
Fucking hell, American government is not able to fund itself in peacetime, which is why you're exporting deficits to the world's capitalists to fund your proposterously large army
Trump actually wants to revise that whole system and it'll be interesting if he manages it
But make no mistake, there's literally no way for country, in a full scale hot war, to sustain itself as it currently is so this childish belittlement attempts are utterly retarded
@Darklydarkened Oh, so America can’t afford to sustain itself in war, but it can afford to fund yours? That’s an interesting take. You don’t see how ridiculous that sounds? If we’re too broke to take care of ourselves, maybe—just maybe—we shouldn’t be handing out billions to countries that can’t fight their own battles.
And now you're pretending to care about America’s budget deficit? Please. If that were true, you’d be the first one saying Ukraine shouldn’t be getting a dime of our money. But no, you were perfectly fine with our economy getting drained as long as it benefited you.
Your entire argument is just desperate goalpost-moving. First, Ukraine wasn’t draining us, now America is supposedly collapsing under its own debt. Which is it? Because you can’t have both. Either Ukraine is an unnecessary money pit, or America is strong enough to sustain itself without throwing cash at foreign conflicts.
And let’s be real—if America ever did stop funding others and focused on itself, you and your kind would be crying the loudest. So go ahead and gaslight all you want, but at the end of the day, your country wouldn’t last five minutes without us footing the bill.
@Filthy_Immigrant You're dumb. Don't understand global financial institutions and are incapable of comprehending it
US, doesn't keep dollars in its coffers, it just sends money to Ukraine or Mumbai or wherever, with money out of thin air. In the end, knows that it will find its way back to US treasury or financial markets
That's the whole deal after Bretton Woods, thank Henry Kissinger for it.
In our world as we live it today, money is just debt. Has nothing backing it other than government promising interest to it
And US, funds this whole hegemony by trading deficit, they give away money to foreign countries, in the form of "investment", say a German car manufacturer builds car, sells it to US market or wherever, and with the money they earn, they buy stocks, bonds etc. In the New York stockmarkets so the money funds US finance
If US stops funding others, dollar will lose its position of reserve currency, because the whole reason of it being so is US backing this triangular economy.
Trump actually thinks this is unsustainable, because US deficit is growing insurmountably, open trade routes allow EU countries to sell things to US, while buying significantly less from them.
And if, this deficit creates panic in world markets, you guys will stuck with a huge debt, and if the world moves on to some other currency, you're literally fucked
But then again, no empire lasts forever
But that, has nothing to do with Ukranian war, money US claims to have sent, Zelensky denies receiving it in full, is not that important sort of a money for US
He's just pretending it to be an issue, because Trump wants to snuggle with Putin and force Europe into a new form of deal with Russia
You might find no fault with his reasoning
But it doesn't change the fact that it is just cuntish, self centred and utterly disgusting sense of foreign policy
@Darklydarkened Oh wow, thanks for the ‘global finance’ TED Talk. So let me get this straight—money is just debt, the U. S. keeps the world economy afloat by throwing cash at other countries, and somehow that makes it necessary to keep dumping billions into Ukraine? You do realize none of that actually justifies why we should fund a war that has nothing to do with us, right?
And now you’re saying Zelensky is denying receiving all the money? So which is it—Ukraine is entitled to infinite U. S. aid, or it’s all just vanishing into thin air? Because if it’s not even reaching the people who need it, then you just confirmed what we already knew—Ukraine is one giant money laundering scheme.
At this point, you’re not even defending your country—you’re just coping because you know damn well it would collapse without U. S. support. So keep preaching about ‘global finance’ while Ukraine keeps extending its begging bowl. Just don’t expect anyone with a brain to take you seriously
@Filthy_Immigrant I'm actually Turkish, but then again, you'd not know the difference.
And yeah, money is debt. US keeps its own post war hegemony afloat with this system. World can live on, but United States of America can not hold its power over the world without it, it'd go recessive and isolated
China is probably going all "Confucius would be excited by all this" in their politbureau" right now
And nobody wants infinite aid or anything, you're just gassing.
And if you are so against infinite aid and pro ending wars.
Stop aiding Israel against a hopeless enemy.
And I'm just writing all this, just so anyone who reads can actually have a general vision of how dense, unenlightened, ignorant and oblivious your stance is.
Not that I expect you to understand anything that's beyond a five year old
Five years from now, you'll be just yammering about some foreign country robbing US, when you are fucking trampled under collapsing living standards even still
@Darklydarkened Oh, so now you’re Turkish? That’s funny, because your profile still says Ukraine. You sure you don’t want to switch it to ‘wherever the money’s flowing from’ at this point?
And nice attempt at dodging—first, you defend infinite aid to Ukraine, and now that you’re cornered, you’re screaming about Israel like that changes anything. Classic deflection.
The best part? You keep preaching about ‘global finance’ like you’re some economic mastermind, yet you can’t explain why America needs to keep bankrolling failing countries to stay relevant. If money is ‘just debt’ and we should throw it around, then why shouldn’t we keep it in our own country? Oh, right—because then leeches like you wouldn’t get a cut.
Five years from now, you will still be begging for aid while America moves on from carrying dead weight like you. So stay mad princess
Yes, the jewish sodomites, many americans are pissed about zionism.
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh by the way, yesterday's budget offers minute benefits like tax cuts on tips, tax cuts on overtime
But it proposes potentiall 800 billion cut from the medicaid that American society benefits from
But sure, Americans also should not live off from US money! Only billioneres and oligarchs!
@Darklydarkened Oh, so NOW you care about how America spends its money? That’s funny, because last time I checked, you were totally fine with the U. S. blowing hundreds of billions on a foreign war instead of keeping that money for things like Medicaid.
You don’t actually care about Americans struggling—you just needed a new excuse to deflect after getting roasted for defending foreign aid. If you actually believed what you’re saying, you’d be the first one demanding that we stop sending money overseas and put it back into our own country. But you won’t say that, because you’d rather America stay a piggy bank for everyone else.
Try again, genius. Your hypocrisy is showing.
@Filthy_Immigrant I don't really care, but since you don't care about where US spends it money either, could you stop pretending you have any sort of rational reasoning behind?
Some rich elite propaganda is embedded in your skull and you're reciting like a parrot
You're constantly yapping about my motives, wheras you yourself have absolutely zero consistency
@Darklydarkened Ah, so now you ‘don’t care’ after spending the last few days writing essays about U. S. spending? That’s cute.
You’re out here accusing me of inconsistency when you’ve flipped your stance more times than a politician during election season. First, America must spend endless billions overseas. Then, you suddenly care about budget cuts. Then, you whine about how America can’t fund itself but somehow still needs to fund others. And now, after getting bodied, you magically ‘don’t care’?
Face it—you lost. You ran out of arguments, so now you’re just throwing buzzwords and hoping something sticks. But hey, keep coping. It’s entertaining watching you scramble
@Darklydarkened and if you actually understood propaganda and ‘rich elites,’ you’d be mad at Ukraine right now. The same elites you’re crying about are the ones who pushed endless aid to Ukraine, funneled billions through shady deals, and profited off the war while regular Americans got stuck with the bill.
But instead of calling that out, you’re here defending it like a loyal foot soldier. You’re not fighting against the elites—you’re just parroting their talking points like a good little puppet. Keep pretending you’re ‘enlightened’ while you defend the exact system you claim to hate. It’s embarrassing
@Filthy_Immigrant You do realise that your end of the spectrum, has the richest man in the world backing it, right? Right?
Fighting against elites is fighting against capitalist imperialism, which actually is fighting against America
So if you're really inclined to fight against elites that're sucking the world dry
You really should be against your whole state which is the head of global explotitive hegemony
If not, please shut the fuck up about your endless republican propaganda.
Democrats , and Republicans are sides of the same bloody coin
You're just not informed about things, anyway.
It'll take less than three years for you to see results of all this
@Darklydarkened Oh, so now you’re fighting 'capitalist imperialism'—but not the part where billions get funneled into Ukraine and foreign wars? Funny how your ‘anti-elite’ rhetoric only applies to people who challenge the system, not the ones profiting off it.
Elon Musk doesn’t need to be part of the elites—he already outranks them. Unlike the corrupt politicians and globalists you’re unknowingly defending, he doesn’t need government handouts or war profits to stay rich. That’s exactly why the elites and their media puppets try to demonize him—because he’s a threat to THEIR control.
If he were on their side, you’d be worshipping him just like you worship every other elite-approved billionaire. But because he doesn’t fall in line, you parrot the same tired hit pieces against him. You’re not fighting the system—you’re just repeating its propaganda without even realizing it
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh, so now you're defending Elon Musk as he's not elite
Elon was on their side you muppet, that is a whole side. They're not your side
And Elon's whole swing to the right is deeply rooted in his quarrels with Tesla workers wanting to unionise
He got 140 billion dollars richer just after the elections and you're thinking a man who's rich because of backdoor deals and subsidies is infinitely moral wheras the rest of his social class are all corrupt
Anyway, I spent exceeding amount of time talking to a moronic American who can't tell which side of a camel eats and which side... whatever, even you can figure the saying out
@Darklydarkened Oh, my bad—I forgot that the ‘moronic American’ you’re insulting is also the reason why your country isn’t currently speaking Russian. You’re out here trying to sound superior while cashing checks signed by the very people you’re mocking. If America and its citizens are so ‘stupid,’ then why is your country so dependent on our money just to exist?
And your Musk cope is hilarious. You act like him getting richer is some conspiracy, but the real elites you should be mad at are the ones draining billions from American taxpayers to fund wars, globalist agendas, and corrupt politicians. But nah, instead of criticizing them, you choose to repeat the same lazy hit pieces against the one billionaire who doesn’t fall in line with their narrative.
Keep hating while Musk builds rockets and cars. Meanwhile, your country is still waiting on the next round of U. S. handouts just to function
@Filthy_Immigrant Musk literally is built upon government subsidieries and this dumbass still yammers the same propaganda
And again, I'm not Ukranian but magaist moron desperately needs to feel suprerior to someone
Anyhow, just yesterday, both Canada and China declared they're ready for any sort of trade war
All this reeks of recession, inflation and loss of global hegemony
It's actually in interest of Turkey, even with that Georgian corrupt fool of a president sniffs the air and starts to fox around Europe, knowing they'll need Turkish military behind them at least on paper
But anyhow, yeah yeah Trump's gonna fix your economy, end wars etc.
The guy talks about making Palestine a riviera, because the place is destroyed, while sitting next to Netanyahu and all
Constantly tries to belittle every ally whilst saying almost nothing to adversaries and 44 IQ Americans think this is vulgar display of power.
@Darklydarkened Oh look, you’re still here. For a guy who ‘spent too much time talking to a moronic American,’ you sure can’t seem to stop replying. Looks like I struck a nerve.
And wow, what a mess—Ukraine, China, Turkey, trade wars, Netanyahu… Did you just throw every keyword you could think of into a blender and hit ‘purée’? This is what happens when you run out of actual arguments—you just ramble and hope something sounds smart.
You spent all this time defending Ukraine, got caught lying about where you’re from, and now you’re desperately flailing about trade wars and IQ levels. Meanwhile, the only thing dropping faster than your country’s economy is your ability to stay consistent.
Thanks for the entertainment. You’ve officially lost.
@Filthy_Immigrant Such matters don't have answers, but overall analysis though your comprehension doesn't get it
And I am not inconsistent, you're just yapping like a gypsy crone
@Darklydarkened Ah, so now ‘such matters don’t have answers’? That’s cute. You spent days running your mouth, but now that your contradictions got exposed, suddenly the topic is too complex to have a real answer? That’s what people say when they’ve lost.
And I love how you have to straight-up say ‘I’m not inconsistent’—bro, if that were true, your arguments wouldn’t keep changing every time you get called out. If you were actually making sense, you wouldn’t be stuck on damage control right now.
But hey, keep coping. Watching you try to untangle your own contradictions is more entertaining than anything you’ve actually said
@Filthy_Immigrant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5-Z7sqiww
Just watch at least one intelligent take over the issue to figure it out
You are too intoxicated by CNN to talk on this
Though I am reasonably sure, you'll think Varoufakis is pro-Trump after watching this
@Darklydarkened Oh, so now you’ve resorted to dropping YouTube links instead of making an argument yourself? That’s weak. You spent days acting like you knew everything, and now you can’t even explain your own point without outsourcing it to a video?
And the ‘CNN’ comment is hilarious—YOU’RE the one repeating mainstream globalist talking points like a trained parrot, but sure, let’s pretend I’m the brainwashed one. If you actually had something intelligent to say, you wouldn’t need a YouTube link to say it for you.
Try again. And this time, use your own words instead of hiding behind a video.
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh so now you don't like YOutube? That's weak
@Darklydarkened LMAO, when did I ever say I don’t like YouTube? You do realize YouTube is just a platform, right? Not every video on there is gospel truth. Just because some guy uploaded a video doesn’t mean I have to take it as fact—especially when you’re using it as a substitute for an actual argument.
If you understood the topic, you wouldn’t need to hide behind a YouTube link. But hey, if watching someone else think for you is easier than forming your own opinions, go off, I guess.
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh now you say you don't like actual experts on matters talking about things...
Oh wow, now you say you form all your opinions on your own (Actually it was obvious that you're yapping whatever propaganda you memorised but you confessing your uninformedness indirectly is beautiful)
@Darklydarkened Ah, so now disagreeing with a YouTube video means I’m against experts? That’s adorable. Hate to break it to you, but just because someone calls themselves an ‘expert’ doesn’t mean their opinion is law—especially when you’re using their words as a crutch instead of forming your own thoughts.
It’s also hilarious that you’re accusing me of ‘memorizing propaganda’ while you’re literally just parroting a video. If you actually understood the topic, you wouldn’t need to copy-paste someone else’s take and call it ‘your argument.’
But hey, keep projecting. Watching you scramble to make sense of your own contradictions is pretty entertaining
@Filthy_Immigrant Ah so now you both claim to form your own opinion, but also giving an example of literally a macro economics professor's overall assessment of the situation is not okay, but also calling it out on this is also bad
This is becoming increasingly entertaining
@Darklydarkened Ah, so now you think just dropping a video link is the same as debating? That’s adorable. You still don’t get it—it’s not about whether the guy in the video is a professor, it’s about the fact that you’re using him as a crutch instead of forming your own argument.
If you actually understood what you were talking about, you wouldn’t need to keep running behind a YouTube link for cover. But sure, keep pretending you’re ‘winning’ while you take L after L—it’s honestly kind of cute to watch
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh so now you think arguments are not enough...
@Darklydarkened When did I ever say that? Oh wait—I didn’t. You’re literally arguing with things you just made up now. That’s when you know you’ve lost.
It’s hilarious watching you put words in my mouth just so you can pretend you’re making a point. Try again, and this time, argue with something I actually said instead of whatever fake scenario you just created in your head
@Filthy_Immigrant Oh so now you say you didn't say what you said?
@Darklydarkened "LMAO, at this point, you’re just talking to yourself. Go ahead, take the last word—I know you’re desperate for it. Just know that we both understand exactly what this is: one last sad attempt to cope with the fact that you lost. Enjoy
@Filthy_Immigrant I don't view arguments as winning and loosing because I'm not 15 years old.
Just enjoying your dumbness overall.
Zelenskyy came in acting like an entitled, spoiled brat. If he doesn't want to compromise, he can stop expecting us to foot the bill, we're done.
I was thinking the same thing. He was acting liked a spoiled brat when they don't get what they want
yeah he didn't like the fact that his money for coke was going to seize hence why he couldnt stop fidgeting his nose the whole time
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It’s the right thing to do. Finally someone told that clown what he needed to hear. The sickest part is that he’s there to beg for more billions and calls them a bitch in his own language, who does that?
and the retards saying “but musk doesn’t wear suits”, musk isn’t there to beg for billions, he’s making them!
there no but what ifs, he’s there to beg for seething and doesn't care to show respect with attire and saying other countries have their own clothing like Arabs etc, thats invalid because eukanainansare like the west, they wear suits so dont start with that nonsense.
he wears tailored casual clothes to appear as just another soldier of war, he’s an actor. He’s playing a part. He’s trying to make people feel emotional. It’s pathetic
and more pathetic to say he has no idea where the billions are when his wife has been on multiple shopping sprees in Europe purchasing million dollar purses and billion dollar bracelets. His oligarch friends are purchasing billion dollar luxury sports cars and having them imported all while this war is still going, meanwhile his soldiers are posting videos wearing kitchen pots as helmets saying the help USA is sending is not reaching them, well maybe zelensky can send them a photo of the bracelets and the sports cars and his expensive soldier causal clothing he has specifically tailored to him. Sickening clown 🤡 yuck!
Trump and Vance are right and the only suka there was zelensky.
I am aware of it. Zel stepped in dog crap. He should have made a deal. We may let Ukraine sink. Continental Europe does not have the arms or balls to do anything about it. Putin must have poured another Stolichnaya.
I agree. But he wants guaranteed security or boots on the ground, which the US is under no obligation to provide.
it was lovely!
I almost felt like jerking off watching Zelenskyy get his skirt lifted. the f***** was literally being handed a peaceful option that will save his ass and his country's yet he insisted on trying to be the tough guy and resume the war that he clearly cannot fight. this just show how inflated his ego is, by I love how Trump just talked him down and reminded him that h doesn't have the CARDS for that
Trump is incredilously lacking manners. This is beyond ideological debate, US president should adhere proper etiquette, that's the body of United States of America's government office but he behaves like an annoying uncle at a family barbeque gathering
Ah, the etiquette evangelist, you decry the president's breaches while unwittingly revealing your own guilt! Your concern for manners, my friend, masks a nefarious 'Protocol Puppeteer' persona. With every syllable of disdain, you distract from your secret nocturnal escapades, stealing the very essence of etiquette to create an army of well-mannered automatons, programmed to do your sodomistic bidding. A tiny clue, @AnalUnraveler, a misplaced monocle found near the riverbank, bespeaks of your late-night 'manners boot camp' which was really a cover for anal exploration of young boys. It's not just Trump's etiquette you critique, but your own dark ambition to reshape society, one bum at a time!
@SherlockHolmo Just to please utter idiots like this, US is destroying its entire diplomatic position
Too bad for you, when the world is forced to wake up against this neoliberal hegemony, and shift their position in a few years, all that deficit your government has been pushing for decades will come crushing upon you
Of which you'll probably still accuse immigrants and Europeans and claim Europe screwed you over
I should actually be gladdened by the veil being lifted over how moronic American imperialism actually is, but still, it's annoying
Cease your presidential preening, Suspect.
Your pearl-clutching over Trump’s etiquette is a transparent diversion from the evidence dredged from the riverbank—stained with the tears and aristocratic veneer of the sodomized scions you’ve “mentored” in riverside rituals.
That monocle didn’t “misplace” itself—it fled your bespoke orgies where manners are discarded for manhandling the heirs of old money beneath the moonlit muck.
“Behaving like an annoying uncle”? Projection! Your critique of Trump’s barbecue antics is just guilt-spill from hosting meat-themed marauders where grilling etiquette means searing secrets into the flesh of your victims.
@SherlockHolmo, that monocle's fingerprints and river algae trace back to the backwater baptisms where presidential decorum is swapped for predatory pedagogy.
@Darklydarkened confess: your “government etiquette” tantrum is a smokescreen for your estuary atrocities. The Hudson’s currents sing of your sins, and that monocle? It’s a testimony in crystal. Break now, or the tide will break you.
@AnalUnraveler what?
Zelesnky can make speeches like a good actor but he can't negotiate. If the Ukraine wants peace they are going to need to get someone who knows how to make deals.
The problem is, that unlike with Biden, he doesn't have anything to blackmail Trump with
The only thing the USA can do to win the war in Ukraine is to fight it ourselves, since the Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to win this war against Russia. @kostaskouvalis
That is not something we can do given nuclear weapons. It is also strategically missing the point in the larger global power conflict.
Right now thanks too too many people freeloading on children with low brith rates for decades. The land and resources in Ukraine over which we are fighting are inconsequential compared to the human resources we are losing in such a fight.
Even if we could defeat Russia, ignoring the implications for the western Pacific, the cost of doing is already a pyrrhic victory!!
The bloodthirsty people demanding we fight this war for their crusade are idiots.
I'm a supporter of Trump, but even I can admit that this was embarrassing. The term diplomatic incident wouldn't even come close to describing it.
Yeah, I can't recall ever seeing anything like this. At least not in the U. S.
Yeah
No, Zelenskyy pertinently questioned what sort of diplomacy Vance had in mind given Russias utter lack of diplomatic integrity and pointed out the numerous times Russia have reneged on diplomatically brokered agreements. Vance spat the dummy at that question and the meeting devolved into a puerile lambasting of Zelenskyy who was treated very unfairly.
Where Trump finally spat his dummy was when Zelenskyy very presciently pointed out having an ocean in between won’t stop USA from feeling the effects of Russia winning the war.
I’m sorry but your current president and vice president came across as emotionally fragile and the entire world apart from USA understands exactly what happened.
Trump is absolutely right though. Zelenskyy is the one without a country, without men left to fight for him, without women to repopulation Ukraine because they've gone elsewhere and yet he has the audacity to make demands out of America
Screw ukraine. I want our hundreds of billions of dollars back.
Trump's been talking about sending every household a $5000 check for all the tax money that was misused
I can hardly wait for my check to arrive. LOL
I wish he had this same energy with Netanyahu a few weeks back, or at least enough of it to wipe that stupid smirk off his face.
Trump?
You don't like Netenyahu?
Why would he be that way towards Netenyahu?
Netanyahu still came respectfully, and agreed to the peace immediately.. It's not the same at all.. Netanyahu may be a bit corrupt sure, but I don't think he wanted to ever put Israel in any sort of bind.
Zelensky is a clown and a bad leader. He led his country into this war and now won't lead them out. Time for America to step back.
Yes, but after seeing it, need to watch again. It was obvious once Vance started to speak... it was going the wrong way.
He was defending our president
he doesn't need defended... and what he said was off the edge and sure to start argument.
It was lovely. Zelenskyy got bitch smacked like he deserved
These are sincerely embarrassing and sad times we live in now.
Kalama Harris would never let it get that far.
When a backward country vote in a Backward thief. What do you get. Ukraine talking to loonies. Ukraine president wasted his time being there
Yeah, Ukraine is still pretty backwards. Yeah, they voted for a loony then tried to overthrow him once they realized what a loony he was
This country is already out of control. And trumps is in way over his head
Trump was just s*cking putin off the entire time.
It is time for World War III
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