Thoughts on USA govt encouraging birth rates? Is it eugenics? Are Evangelicals or Musk eugenicists? Should Trump support this? For what reasons?

[DrPepper12]

The Vances oppose abortion for religious reasons, but tends not to mix that subject with the birthrate conversation except to say that with all the new restrictions on reproductive choice, it would make sense to do more for young mothers financially.

Rather than religious belief, Musks supporters are motivated by a fear that humanity will not replace itself. They dismiss immigration as a remedy, arguing that it can weaken the culture of the receiving country.

This Musk aligned group, which embraces assisted reproduction, is most visibly identified with Malcolm & Simone Collins, a media-friendly couple with 4 children born through IVF. They favor using genetic selection to pick embryos with desirable characteristics, an approach that Christian groups typically oppose. The Collinses said they recently composed a suite of suggested executive orders and sent them to allies in the White House. They include deregulating child care businesses to bring down the cost, and loosening car seat laws, which can now require buying larger vehicles to accommodate more than two children. Another would create an award for women who have six or more children, versions of which exist in a handful of countries, including France.

An agenda that prioritizes large families makes plenty of people queasy. Groups like Population Connection worry that the tactics required to raise birthrates can verge on authoritarianism, and believe that the consequences of population loss aren’t as catastrophic as pronatalists make them out to be. And increasing numbers of young people do not want to burden the planet by having children of their own.

Nevertheless, pro-natalists want the administration to establish a commission to elevate and study the subject, as well as to infuse their priorities across the federal government. The Biden administration screened many policies and grant applications for their impact on climate change and racial equity, they point out; the same could be done for procreation.

Govt stay out of birth rate planning!

Musks right. Western populations must be preserved.

Creepy authoritarian Nazi vibes

Something else...

[Anonymous]

Immigration is definitely not a remedy for falling birth rates. All it does is make the countries immigrants leave poorer as they lose their best and brightest who never return and as they get poorer the quality of immigrants leaving diminish.

The way forward is citizens having more kids and for it to be easier financially to have more kids. Even for simple things like social security and pensions, if the elderly outnumber the youth social security and pensions will be made worthless.

As for eugenics that is likely going to become more necessary as certain genetic weaknesses and conditions are being passed on more and more which requires lifetime medication to manage and special medical equipment. This is becomingmore and more common as couples have children in their 30s and 40s. Even very simple stuff like short sightedness is becoming more and more common. Natural selection in the past kept these things under control in terms of numbers in the past. Eugenics work, the Jews and Nazis proved this.

[Opinion Owner]

The childcare cost does definitely need to come down because most mothers are put in the situation as to be a stay at home mother or work for no reason than to pay everything they earn to childcare

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

I believe it’s Jane Elliot who is such a radical civil rights activist with her unique ways of teaching the brutality of racism. When she’s asked about these encouragements to have more babies (which there are in spades, there are govt programs any woman can take advantage of in order to provide for their children) it’s mainly to produce more white babies. Their concern isn’t the lack of babies period, just specifically the lack of white people having babies because the United States’ foundation of government is based in White Supremacy and that can’t happen without a white majority population.

[DrPepper12]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY

[lightbulb27]

culture wars always been about population. If you have population, you win. Simply brain wash children into your viewpoint/culture, and that's that. We are all programmable AI robots... biological ones, with some default AI from ancestors.

That been the game for Muslims as a group, Jewish, etc... notice the Chiense... very successful population.

I don't know if there is a great scheme or not but population is an issue for govt.

It is odd they dont value foreigneres already alive... immigration, so much. There are inconsistencies in the thinking of all humans and various motives.

[DryGermanGuy]

Wow, Doc, hold it right there! Are you trying to confuse the poor conspiracy kooks? According to them, Bill Gates, the globalists and the vaccination companies are working hard to reduce the population!!! "The Great Replacement™", gnome sane? :-D

[DrPepper12]

Right on as usual!!

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Well, it's a surprising move, even Putin needs and uses immigration because he knows that a low cost workforce sustains economical growth.

What's even more surprising is how the duet Musk-Trump works at all, because Musk looks like an anarcho-capitalist and as such he should wish for anything maximizing profit, at the expense of every other value and regulation. While Trump seems to blend nationalism, free market and... Copulate with organized religions at the same time?

I don't know. It looks like someone used a political philosophy generator here?

[beefcakebradybatson]

Musk and Trump wish to dismantle America and remake it to their corporate Fascist desire.

[Avicenna]

You know, you'd be taken more seriously if you 1) didn't cite the racist Biden Administration's illegal policies as some benchmark and 2) weren't just knee jerk opposition to anything the current administration does.

Since you seem to be implying that pro-natalist policies are "racist", can you explain why you believe that?

Pro-natalist policies do not force people to have kids who don't want to. And they make a lot more sense than merely opening the borders to unlimited numbers of people whose identities the country doesn't have the foggiest idea about.

[exitseven]

Over the last 50 years Americans have been discouraged to have children. The only group that is encouraged are welfare recipients. When democrats devised the welfare system during the Johnson administration they set it up to reward people for having illegitimate children. Welfare mothers with 6 or 8 kids were commonplace. It really was a form of reverse Darwinism where people who were not able to support themselves were allowed to reproduce and have more people who could not support themselves. This was the plan all along to create a whole underclass of welfare recipients and then get them to vote for democrats by offering more benefits.

President Trump is trying the reverse this trend by offering tax incentives for having children and other programs aimed at making it possible for Americans to afford to have children.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Eugenics would be promoting abortions because most abortions are done on black babies. Speaker of the House of Colorado just got on video and explained that abortions are important because it saves the state tax dollars in the end.

[Ariesman81]

@seeyounexttuesday

Not sure this is correct. From what I gather, the majority of abortions are from white, college women. They also account for the lowest birthrates.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Ariesman81 the abortion rate for black women is 5 times that of white women.

[Ariesman81]

Just looked it up... you were correct.

[DrPepper12]

Ever read Freak nomics? Whole chapter on the financial impact of abortion. It's fascinating!!

The book "Freakonomics" by Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner includes a chapter titled "The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime." In this chapter, the authors propose a controversial theory that legalized abortion in the United States led to a significant decline in crime rates in the subsequent decades.
Theory and Evidence
Levitt and Donohue argue that unwanted children are more likely to commit crimes later in life. Therefore, they hypothesize that the legalization of abortion in 1973, which allowed women to terminate unwanted pregnancies, reduced the number of potential criminals born.
To support their theory, the authors analyze data on abortion rates and crime statistics from 1973 to 1995. They find a strong correlation between increases in abortion rates and decreases in crime rates, particularly among young males.
Criticisms and Debate
The Donohue-Levitt theory has been widely debated and criticized. Critics argue that:
The correlation between abortion and crime may be due to other factors, such as improvements in law enforcement or socioeconomic changes.
The data used by Levitt and Donohue is not always reliable or comprehensive.
The theory ignores the moral and ethical implications of linking abortion to crime reduction.
Subsequent studies have produced mixed results, with some confirming the correlation between abortion and crime and others finding no such link.
Conclusion
The Donohue-Levitt theory remains controversial. While it provides an intriguing hypothesis, the evidence is inconclusive and the theory has been subject to significant criticism. It is important to note that this is a complex issue with multiple perspectives, and the authors' findings should be interpreted with caution.

[Ariesman81]

Not surprising that immoral, irresponsible and undisciplined people would breed criminals.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yes, we know abortionists are evil.

[DrPepper12]

@Ariesman81 Agreed. The 1% belong in jail! Start with musk!!

[OneViewpoint]

Musk, Evangelical Christians, and White Nazis share this creepy Eugenics related obsession with a White Christian breeding program to create a White Christian Theocracy in North America. Totally lunatic fringe. But that won't stop them. Their hate has been inbred for generations.

[Dongie]

Some vocabulary there Doc. It seems there could arise a time when government involvement could arise as some are afraid of running out of people instead of worrying about overpopulation. I don't think that time is now. But heh, what do I know?

[Cubus]

It doesn't work. People need to just want to have kids and no government involvement can change it (you can check - many countries tried and no one succeeded).

Ironic that it is USA that is now worried about it, while in recent years it was USA that was exporting all the things that discourage having kids, such as individualism, selfishness, workaholism, prioritizing career over social life etc.

[Likes2drive]

Maybe to make up for the cheap labor they are deporting, couples are having less children these days because of the cost of everything

[Ariesman81]

The government should not be incentivizing or deincentivizing births.

[oldpigg]

I don't care about the birth rate, but I'm still against abortion.

[DCVsMarvel]

Musk, wants machines to take over, and take peoples jobs, yet at the same time, has 4 different baby mommas, and like what 20 kids or something

[beefcakebradybatson]

MUCK FUSK AND EUCK FEVANGELICALS !!!

[David318578]

You have a link to what your talking about?