If prostitution was legalized and regulated who benifits from it the most?

[Vegasrunner]

[OneViewpoint]

Society. No tying up cops and courts rounding up prostitutes. Pimps are out of business. STD's are better controlled with mandatory testing. Transactions can be taxed. Prostitutes can work in safer environments and take home more of their earnings. Sex trafficking is no longer a lucrative business. GDP expands. And the religiots lose their minds. What's not to like.

[NaultD]

The prostitute. Paying taxes, legal work history for housing, new jobs, education. Safe to call the cops if things get dangerous.

[Vegasrunner]

@naultd You have a brain. Excellent take.

[Anonymous]

Customers of sex workers due low prices. No corrupt cops who need to be bribed, no criminal pimps who demand their share, lot of competition from eastern Europe this brings prices down.

[Anonymous]

The Government and the IRS as well as corporations.

It's kinda like onlyfans. The majority of the women selling sex make nothing.

[Vegasrunner]

@Anonymous If it helps the IRS then you're saying it would help the prostitutes because you can only pay taxes on earning. Also is sex sold on only fans, I thought it was a website?

[Opinion Owner]

Like any porn, sex is sold.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinon Owner What? I'm referring to actually sex not virtual. Are men provided the opportunity to penetrate women for a price IRL on only fans?

[Opinion Owner]

Of you are making the movie sure

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner I think I see your confusion. You're referring to one individual or smal group of individuals having scripted sex. I'm talking about having sex being readily accessible to any man that wants it whenever he wants it.

[Opinion Owner]

It's all sex work and prostitution

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Not to men

[Opinion Owner]

Let's be honest the kind of men that use onlyfans and prostitutes are lovers anyhow.

[Opinion Owner]

Sorry *losers*

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner How many men do you know that use Prostitutes? TBH, I could see how OF guy would be a loser but a prostitute saves time and money for men, so seems like an obvious service.

[Opinion Owner]

Nah a real man doesn't pay.

[exitseven]

the sex workers. Thy would be safer and would not have to split their fees with a
'manager.

[Anonymous]

Prostitutes and their John's would both benefit equally.

[BDRick]

entirely so

[BDRick]

oh and their pimps

[Vegasrunner]

@BDRick If it was regulated you wouldn't need pimps. Or at least traditional ones.

[BDRick]

Touché but a pimp is always gonna be a pimp… ain’t no one gonna take that from him

[Vegasrunner]

@BDRick They would proably be in the form of an official manager role. Like for instance to classify the owner of a legal strip club as a pimp?

[BDRick]

I like where you're coming from, @Vegasrunner

[AviatorTom]

Government would benefit the most, from the taxes it would collect.

[Vegasrunner]

@AviatorTom By definition that means the workers would benifit, Government can only collect taxes on industries or people making revenue.

[DrPepper12]

Clients, customers, state, society - everyone!!!

[Kelly6]

@Vegasrunner it only works if prostitutes work independent , and brothels are still illegal.

then prostitutes benefit

[Makeushiver]

@Kelly6 That was a thoughtful opinion. Not always the case in this forum.

[Kelly6]

@Makeushiver
?

[Makeushiver]

It was a factual, thoughtful response and you didn't suggest half the population be killed for thinking a certain way. That's thoughtful.

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 How would making brothels illegal benifit the prostitutes?

[Kelly6]

@Vegasrunner
Because brothels are like distributors who take their profit.
This is the main reason why brothels are illegal in Spain but prostitution is legal

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 That's not true at all. I can't speak for Spain, but in America, workers at legalized brothels make exponentially more that street walkers.

[Kelly6]

@Vegasrunner
I agree, it’s true. Only where independent prostitution is illegal

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 Independent prostitution is illegal throughout America.

[Kelly6]

@Vegasrunner
Makes sense now.
Here in Europe it’s legal in most countries

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 Really. I did not know that what countries is irrelevant legal in?

[Kelly6]

@Vegasrunner
Spain, Germany, Netherlands bla bla bla

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 My apologies meant to say what countries are prostitution legal?

[Vegasrunner]

@Kelly6 Maybe, but I'm speaking in terms of all prostitution being ran like your local Starbucks. Guy goes in sees the menu picks what he wants and is in and out in 30 minutes or less.

[goaded]

In Germany, it is. There's still people trafficking.

[Vegasrunner]

@goaded Why?

[goaded]

I guess it's cheaper.

[Vegasrunner]

@goaded Even if that were true, why would any man risk getting a trafficked girl, when he can just go someplace where it's safe, legal and accessible?

[goaded]

How would you, as a customer, know? I'm not saying it's widespread, just that it happens.

[Vegasrunner]

@goaded What? How do you know your eating at restaurant vs homecooked meal, how do you know you're buying a car from a dealership vs a stolen used car. It's not that complicated. If it was legal you would have brick and motar businesses providing the service and the employees would undergo the se scrutiny as employees in any other industry.

[goaded]

Fair point, and how it seems to work in Germany. Licenced brothels are checked and their owners are expected to have operational concepts to avoid being victims themselves.

"With regard to exploitation of women, human trafficking and forced prostitution, awareness was raised among those responsible for prostitution establishments. Persons running prostitution establishments were obliged to draw up an operational concept and to observe legal requirements and conditions. Moreover, prostitutes must contact the relevant staff of the public order authority and the health office in person on their own, i. e. unaccompanied. This is likely to have a deterrent effect on potential pimps and human traffickers. On the whole, control forces noticed during checks that prostitutes appeared to be more confident and better informed. "
www.bka.de/.../...ckingInHumanBeingsReport2019.pdf

They go on to say: "However, it can also be assumed that part of the (illegal) prostitution business has been relocated to secluded and anonymous areas (Internet, hotel, private dwellings), which makes it much more difficult to prosecute and clear up offences of this specific field of crime."

[Surely]

Regulations always benefit the government in some way!

[Vegasrunner]

@Surely If that's true please provide a tangible benifit

[Surely]

More government regulations. Means more government employees to make sure that you are following their regulations. When you don’t follow them. Then there are fines to pay. Giving someone else things to do.
I guess that I should have said. More government regulations makes the price of doing those regulated things more expensive. But usually the permits and those people that inspect to see if you followed their expert guidance. Makes the end result more expensive.

[Vegasrunner]

@Surely Interesting and you believe those regulations benifit the government more than, the safety of the customer and employees?

[Surely]

@Vegasrunner. Since the government doesn’t really exist. It is the people in governments that are making the decisions and enforcing them. They’re the “government!” I have seen very expensive projects that didn’t make any sense whatsoever! But regulations required it to be done that way.
Take a residential septic system. Local government must give you permission to have one. They say that they need to tell you if your ground is suitable. Before you get a permit.
Then they have an engineer tell you how to build it and what materials to use. Before you cover it. They must see that it was built to their specifications. After you pay out all of this money. If the system fails. Guess who is NOT responsible for it?

[Vegasrunner]

@Surely Your anology makes sense and I agree w/ your overall theory. What I'm weighing it against is the alternative. For instance, let's say a step was skipped in your septic tank anology, and a septic tank blew, poisoning the water and killing several children. How do you weigh that against being charged a couple bucks more on your sewage bill?

[Surely]

@Vegasrunner. Considering that the “Little White House” worked for many of years. Unless you fell in. There really wasn’t many problems with them. People had sense enough not to put them next to their drinking water. But in my reply. The person issuing the permit. Still wouldn’t take credit for the problems.
My township supervisors ( local government) wanted to pass a law banning flags ( no exceptions for the American flag), banners, streamers, reflectors, tinsel, spinners, When I questioned them about this. They replied that they had to write the law and only enforce it if someone complained! WTF!
Another law they wanted. Was a nuisance law. They said if the seat in your car was torn or the antenna was broken off. This was a violation of their law!
Now you should understand why I havr very little trust in government!

[beefcakebradybatson]

The government, which would collect taxes, and the hookers and johns, who'd be subject to far fewer health risks.

[OldBlu]

Both parties. Much like the purchase of a Snickers bar.

[Makeushiver]

Snickers bars don't moan when you eat them

[OldBlu]

The Japanese are working on that with their sex bots.

[BCA6010]

Tax collectors.

[David318578]

The government, it's another tax revenue

[Vegasrunner]

@David318578 So you're saying it would benifit the prostitutes?

[Shiprex]

Everyone

[seeyounexttuesday]

Human Traffickers

[David318578]

If it was legal are regulated I'm pretty sure there would be less human trafficking.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 That's not the case, unfortunately.

[David318578]

It has been through history, I mean are you getting bootlegged alcohol still? Or did the criminal supply dry up once alcohol because legal again in the US?

If it's legal and regulated then the criminal aspect drys up.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 you can debate harvard on it, then

orgs.law.harvard.edu/.../

[David318578]

So that's a no you don't get illegal alcohol? Don't have to debate Harvard with anything. The part you are ignoring is "regulated" Just making it "legal" but un regulated would make it easier for sex trafficking, but the question he posted was regulated.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 so do you want to be an asshole, now? Your example is great but it doesn't bear out. In places with legal prostitution can you get a hooker at the ballpark while watching a baseball game? Legal prostitutes aren't as ubiquitous as alcohol. It's not a valid comparison. There's several studies that support Harvard's findings despite your libertarian la-la land hypotheticals

[David318578]

I'm not being an asshole, but your studies do not align with reality.

Here is a link to the cities with the highest and also the lowest trafficking in the US.

nyrequirements.com/.../us-cities-with-the-most-and-fewest-cases-of-human-trafficking

Notice that the one state where prostitution is legal and also regulated has the lowest human trafficking.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0305750X12001453

[David318578]

@seeyounexttuesday you already linked to that, it was the basis of your Harvard link.
But again if that where true then human trafficking would be through to roof in Nevada where prostitution is legal.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 it is in Europe where prostitution is legal.

[Vegasrunner]

@seeyounexttuesday How could they benifit from legalized sex work?

[seeyounexttuesday]

For one, there are a lot more customers for sex workers. The customers don’t give a shit if the women are there willingly. You can also have the pretense of legitimacy. Every hooker in my town is breaking the law because it’s all legal.

[Vegasrunner]

@seeyounexttuesday How does this benifit human traffickers?

[seeyounexttuesday]

I explained it several times. - despite being legal, prostitutes still aren't ubiquitous. So there's a huge demand and supply comes in to fill that demand illegally. Think of it this way. If you live in Nebraska and you're joe average, you're probably not on the hunt for hookers. But when you go places with legal prostitution, well "when in Rome" as the saying applies.

Secondly, depending on how heavily regulated, trafficked women look no different than legal prositutes. It's easy to show the air of legality.

[David318578]

@seeyounexttuesday you are ignoring the regulated part of his question. A quick Google search shows the process in NV

5-9-14: PROSTITUTE REGISTRATION AND WORK CARD:
(A) Every prostitute working at a licensed operation shall be registered with and issued a work card by the chief of police. The application for registration shall include:
1. The name given at birth and all subsequent names or aliases used;
2. The age, address and physical description of the prostitute;
3. A recent photo and full set of fingerprints of the prostitute;
4. Complete employment or working record of prostitute for the preceding three (3) years;
5. All addresses of the prostitute for the preceding three (3) years;
6. Complete criminal record of the prostitute, including all arrests and convictions, except minor traffic violations, such list shall include a statement of each offense, the place of its occurrence and the date of its occurrence;
7. An annual nonrefundable fee as established by the board by resolution;
8. A waiver of release of medical information allowing the medical facilities and doctors to provide to the city the results of the referred medical examination and tests;
9. An authorization to conduct an investigation into the criminal history of the prostitute.
(B) The chief of police shall investigate, through all available means, the accuracy of all information supplied by the prostitute on the registration form.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 Again, NV's level of regulation isn't the same as in other places.

[David318578]

But the question was based around regulation, so pointing to a country that has no regulations or almost none is pointless to what his original question was about.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 regulated is a vague term.

[David318578]

Sure but @Vegasrunner is from Nevada (or at least he runs there) where it's legal so trying to wave away the regulations from where the OP actually lives seems silly.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 No, his localized experience doesn't invalidate the overall impacts. Just like if the US was in a drought and you had rain at your house.

[David318578]

@seeyounexttuesday it does when his localized laws stop what you are saying will happen.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 absolutely doesn't.

[David318578]

Yet the statistics that I showed was cities where it illegal have a ridiculous amount of human trafficking, and the cities where it legal does not.

[Vegasrunner]

@David318578 Prostitution isn't legal in Nevada, it's relegated by county. It's legal in NYE County where the Ranchrs are but os illegal in Clark County where LV is.

[David318578]

@Vegasrunner it's the only state in the US where prostitution is legal, is it legal everywhere in NV? No, but I never said it was, only that is the only place in the US where it is legal.
It also happens that the places in NV where it is legal are some of the lowest sex trafficking areas in the US, that's because of how it's regulated, which ruins @seeyounexttuesday

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 You're stuck on stupid. As a whole, places with legal prostitution have higher sex trafficking. Nevada being the exception does not disprove the population.

[David318578]

@seeyounexttuesday it does when you take into the regulations that NV has vs the rest of the world.

If you want to change your stance to "if you don't properly regulate it then it could increase trafficking" then I would agree with you.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 That doesn't' change the fuckin facts that human trafficking is higher. It's not a made up fact. It's objectively true.

[David318578]

The facts are that human trafficking is almost non-existent in places that have heavy regulations.
Now if you want to look at the whole world and include parts of Africa and South America where there is no regulations then yes human trafficking would be higher in lawless areas. But thats irrelevant to the debate.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@David318578 well no it isn't. You're using the anomaly example - the prostitution in those areas are removed from the cities, the cities themselves aren't heavily populated (aka, not a lot of demand) and trying to extrapolate that to other areas that don't fit that criteria.

[Vegasrunner]

@David318578 It's only legal in one county. A lot of people have the misconception you have. Obviously if it's legal the sextrafficking will be lower, so that tracks

[Mikochan]

don’t know