Honestly, I think it's a good thing to have such a project. But apparently a lot of experts are criticizing this project, I haven't really had a chance to read their arguments.
What do you think of Trump's anti-missile project?
Its one of those Dunning-Kruger moments where something that sounds like common sense such as implementing the Israeli "Iron dome" concept which is clearly the inspiration and applying it to USA but in reality this would be literally pointless because the threats USA faces is not the same as Israel and USA is very different geographically speaking from Israel.
To put it bluntly, the iron dome is supposed to protect a small area from fairly easily intercepted targets, mostly medium and short range which makes sense in Israel. A similar system would first of all cover barely anything of USA because of its size and only be able to intercept something like small missile artillery if they loaded up that artillery on a boat and parked it on the coast of USA right next to the iron dome.
The iron dome can't for anything to for example nuclear ICBMs or cruise missiles or really any of the more modern weapons. Its not made for that, its made for fighting lower developed nations.
Furthermore, USA already have far better systems for missile defense than Israel so trying to imitate their defense is like a professional trying to imitate an amateur. Its really stupid basically.
And that is not to talk about the COST of such an iron dome system to cover USA. Because its range is so limited you would need a lot.. as in A LOT A LOT. It would probably bankrupt USA if you wanted "full coverage".
At the end of the day this is just Donald Trump hearing that Israel have a cool sounding "Iron dome" and getting jealous and wanting his own. Dont take it any more seriously than that unless you want to lose brain cells.
The argument is that it will start a new “arms race” because the Golden Dome, as Trump called it is supposed to protect from any missile launch even one coming from space
If it works, the nuclear deterrent fallacy would be broken. The US could nuke anyone and be protected from that country firing missiles back
Which means China and all the other nuclear nations will need to develop their own golden dome and figure out a way of launching something strong enough to break it
Nuclear weapons have prevented us from having an open World War 3 for 80 years.
If they are no longer usable: we will have to go back to boots on the ground open warfare
Yes hence why I’m unsure how to feel about this yet
On the one hand I agree that protecting one’s self from the threat of destruction is natural
But on the other hand if the long term outcome of this protection leads to more war instead of less it’s worth asking if this very expensive armor is worth the money
The thing you haven't noticed yet is China and other nations will already be doing this anyway, and if US don't do it they will be the only one not doing so...
Which is how it is with tech especially military. You don't do it, everyone else will and your left behind which is for sure not the position you want.
This is not even the argument regarding Trump breaking nuclear deterrence. The actual argument is even more horrific.
The current status quo is built on the mutual understanding of mutually ensured destruction. Your enemy can't use their nukes because you would destroy them if they did and you can't use your nukes because they would destroy you if you did. The only way for any side to win is to not launch their nukes.
However, and here is the scary part, if one side finds out that the other is developing a "golden dome" (This would not work against nukes but for the sake of argument lets say it would and that it would not be stupid) then they are suddenly on a time limit. If they allow their opponent to develop a counter to being nuked then only your own country is in danger of being destroyed.
If the other side can use nukes without being destroyed by nukes then that means that they win by default and the only way to stop them is to nuke them before they complete the development of the "golden dome".
If Trump had actually started the development of a system that would have worked and it would be completed in 3 years according to what he says, then Trump would have just sealed the fate of the world in nuclear apocalypse before those 3 years is up. This is not even hypothetical, logically speaking it becomes the correct move to start nuclear Armageddon for your own national security for every country that does not trust USA with their own survival. Yes, even France would have to sit down and think hard if they should nuke USA before its too late.
This is NOT the steps you would take if you actually wanted to protect USA from nuclear war.
@Syntosi You re explained exactly what I was saying initially
But I don’t think the conclusion would be for someone to nuke the US before it’s shielded.
Nuking a country is not a light decision The ramifications are insanely huge
You lose a major superpower and open yourself up to a new power balance where you’re not the top dog anymore
Western Europe would be China’s backyard within the year if the US was no longer an Ally
Besides the economic impact of losing North America from the world trade map would be devastating
And then you have the human aspect
The loss of life involved in Nuclear warfare requires a willingness to commit mass genocide and I don’t think many of the world leaders have the stomach for it as easily as they pretend
So Trump isn’t fast tracking destruction But he is shaking up the balance for sure
It appears that you missed my point. The reason why you should nuke USA in this situation before they developed a defense is because logically speaking they will nuke you AFTER. Obviously people dont have to act this way but from the standpoint of logic it is the correct decision to nuke them before they can develop a defense.
After all, if the argument for not using nukes is mutual assured destruction then if you are safe then there is no real reason NOT to use nukes going forward.
Looks like another tax money deflection in pockets of elites. I mean few months ago Iran attacked Israel with hyper-sonic missiles. From 200 maybe 3 were intercepted with all this so hyped Iron dome. Israelis had just lot of luck that those hyper sonic missiles can't carry heavy warheads (approx. 200kg), however those warhead could be changed for thermonuclear ones. Intercepting ballistic reentry vehicles with speed of Mach 20 or slightly slower hyper-sonic missiles seems to be difficult for interceptor missiles. Usually those reentry vehicles travel with hundreds of inflatable radar decoys, what doesn't make intercepting super fast objects falling from the orbit easier. For Raytheon this dome will be golden for US taxpayers rather less.
The cost to cover the whole of the USA would be colossal so I suspect it'll mostly protect those cities that make the most money. These domes are easily overwhelmed by mass attacks, only a few nukes need to get through to wreak havoc. Could one stop a nuclear submarine lurking a half mile off new york? Simply wouldn't be time to react.
One very easy way to defeat this defense system, build your bomb in the city you want to destroy or just smuggle one in.
Of course a real leader would be looking to de-esculate tensions now. Pretty obvious America is on a war footing
Sounds great as a sales pitch... I'm very skeptical about it actually working or being maintained, or even finished for that matter. The cost is borderline extortionate, and I think they're greatly downplaying it, which makes me think it wouldn't ever actually get fully implemented. Additionally, there are certain threats that, as far as the public is concerned, haven't been effectively countered. If we have something squirreled away, that's coming out of the bag very quickly, and our adversaries will develop alternatives to defeat it. That means by the time it's finished, it would get maligned as obsolete or inadequate.
It's essential to maintaining America's military leadership in the world. This kind of defense has proven itself in Israel. It would not be here today without it.
The moment America becomes the second most powerful country in the world the entire world is doomed.
Obama and Biden both put America's military on the path to ruin. President Trump is attempting to bring it back and this project is a perfect contribution to that effort.
America needs to lead on air, sea land and now in space. We've got a lot of catching up to do and not a lot of time to do it.
The American taxpayer more often than not gets screwed over with new R&D military projects - just see what other countries pay for comparable technology. And from a political point of view: Large defensive projects always trigger new offensive weapon projects in adversarial countries. That's why Reagan never finished the Star Wars project.
The reason behind this $10 billion venture is utilizing ‘Star-link’ which brings in a lot of money for Elon Musk or at least from what a relative told me would be a good motive.
Secondly, we don’t need to worry about Europe sending missiles at us so we only need missile defense system in Hawaii to shoot North Korea, Russia, and China origin missiles. Just makes sense not to cover the whole thing.
Not to mention we aren’t a Hellscape like The Middle East where everyone doesn’t get along and leads to wars / conflicts / skirmishes caused by religious differences every 5 seconds. Canada & Mexico are no threat to USA so why even create a dome?
Is trump trying to tell me that they don't already have this?
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Don't really matter though we all know everyone dies if a ww3 actually happens.
The real defense is more in the lab, if we can find a way to neturalize nuclear energy including someway to do it even while missile is on the way. Then all Nukes become meaningless. Though as always then there would just be a ongoing battle of inventing ways to prevent that neutralisation.
We have plenty of reaction time for hypersonics and multiple ways to shoot them down. The really aren't all that big of a threat, the real threat is ICBMs. By my understanding we're using it for the former not the latter meaning if they don't make it capable of shooting down ICBMs too it's the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars since the war on drugs which by the way Drugs won.
Unless they have developed some kind of new tech to shoot down ICBMs this is mostly useless. The Iron Dome is to protect Israel from short range ballistic missiles not long range missiles. Even then its only about 85 percent effective. The present system in California and Alaska is notoriously ineffective. I cannot help but think this is a waste of taxpayers money. My sources for this is Aviation Week.
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China is concerned about it. America needs protection from foreign missiles. China and North Korea and other enemy nations are developing hypersonic long range missiles and this system will protect the country from hypersonic missiles and also attacks from space.
It’s not necessarily bad, but does feel a bit ego-driven and excessive. We’re not talking about intercontinental nuclear missles, which let’s be honest, if they start coming we’re all fucked anyway. We’re talking more about what Israel has. Not really the problem.
I think it's great and it it eliminates nuclear missiles. The cost is $188 billion but it's a very small price to pay for this protection. Israel has it to protect their country and it works for them.
A lot of money when a 900 drone can deliver a 2 lbd payload that could wipe out plenty. Make war unaffordable. Sell the entire US Gold Stock pile of gold and buy 5% of the Bitcoind supply. End the Fed and Isreal amd bring on the 1000 year rule of Christ.
Sounds like he's trying to make an Iron Dome like what Israel has? That would never work for us because we're too big of a country, and not even worth it.
I haven't either but I don't disturbing the balance of power is a good one if that is being used. Russia is a defunct super power and China new one who needs to be put down in a cold war.
Anything would be better than nothing. Providing you would need to rely on it. Hopefully you would never need to use it. Too bad someone can’t invent a “Return to Sender” button!
I don't know much about it, but it probably is going to be like a Star Wars under President Reagan. Maybe we can bankrupt Russia. Iran, North Korea and China in the process.
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This is really stupid. It will cost a fortune and it doesn't work 100% of the time. All it has to do is fail to stop one single nuclear missile and that's the end of it and the end of us.
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I think Trump should concentrate on building the wall…. all the way around the US. No doubt the rest of the world would gladly buy the lid.
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