5.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. "The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."
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11 moIt has to do with racial integration in schools during the 1970’s when Roe v. Wade officially passed. In that time, private schools were coming under federal scrutiny for their refusal to integrate their student bodies, and obviously all the racist white people didn’t like that. They protested often, and viciously, if you’ve ever heard of Ruby Bridges, it was a lot like that (she’s still alive to tell the story by the way, it’s not ancient history). But when integration became national law for public schools, white parents who didn’t want their white children interacting with black children pulled them out to put them in white private schools. Over time every private school in the nation had no choice but to integrate their students, which put these racists’ focus back on politics. Many of these people held themselves to be conservative, traditional, and christian and decided that if politicians weren’t going to listen to them then they would vote for politicians who think like them. This started the movement of finding politicians who operated on their moral standard and over the last 50 years has obviously gained enough ground to put people like Trump and Greene in office. And, subsequently, as the idea of life beginning at conception also gained popularity around the same time, abortion rights became a hot-button issue that these lawmakers decided was best to do away with in the name of appeasing their conservative constituents.
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3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It's not about life or children it's display of power. When your religious cult is capable to manipulate politicians and or media until they make laws according to your ideology, you have the power and pseudo moral superiority, even though majority of people doesn't support your ideology.
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11 moIt's part of a much larger conversation about world view, but here are the three basic perspectives:
Pro-Choice people think that if women don't have taxpayer-funded access to abortion, they are being unfairly restrained from living lives they want to live. Women are having abortions anyway, therefore, abortion should be as easily accessed as possible to ensure those women's safety and their ability to work and financially provide for themselves. They also argue that elimination of unwanted pregnancies eases the burden on the welfare system.
Pro-Life people either view the fetus as a human life, and therefore see abortion as a homicide. Or they look at it financially, and simply believe that women's choice to have elective abortions are their own, and that the women should therefore have to pay for it the same way they have to pay for other election procedures like plastic surgeries.
TL;DR: people care so much about abortion because they either think women's ability to get ahead in life depends on everyone else footing the bill for women's sexual behavior; or they think abortion is homicide; or they simply don't think everyone else should have to pay for women's sexual choices.
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11 moWe are women so promiscuous and don't want to take any responsibility for their sexual actions?
Man, the birth control pill, feminism and the sexual revolution of the 70's sure turned women into these degenerate, murderous, self absorbed distortions.
Doctors are corrupt enough to do this procedure and the law doesn't stop you so you are free to go fuck around all you want and spready your herpes and kill all of the little children that would have been if you weren't such "my pleasure and happiness rules all" monster. There are like 20 kinds of birth control, can't you still keep your promiscuous self from getting knocked up?
01 Reply- 11 mo
how about men stop raping too? and why can't men ever take responsebility? if they can back out why can't women?
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11 moif you have empathy for others you care. if you have none, then it's no different than your feelings for an egg being fried. if you have a baby in your hands, then you maybe could relate.
the issue really is your brain.
01 Reply- 11 mo
well a fetus isn't really in my hands?
12.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because you were one.
Sure they regret you getting out, but the remaining are required to grow the population and do the work, and pay the taxes. All so less immigration will be required in the future.
01 Reply- 11 mo
and? nope my parents love me, unlike the parents who want an abortion. yet y'all bitch about having to do all of that? why put a kid into suffering?
1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Probably the same reason you care about yourself. Because your breathing human being and if your raised right or wrong you could grow up to save this world
01 Reply- 11 mo
well i won't, one single person can't save this world retard
717 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because foetus starts having a heartbeat after 6-7 weeks. So, it's a tiny life you're going to put a stop to.
03 Reply- 11 mo
and? y'all put a stop to more kids by letting them be in wars, poverty etc. maybe care for the ones u have before ones who dont exist.
m 11 moFirst- Don't give me that attitude. I've been respectful to you, I know you have a habit of arguing/challenging everything. Do so if that's what you want but be respectful while you're disagreeing because I do NOT want to be rude with you.
Second- Putting a stop to a heartbeat and you're saying "and?" A life is a life whether someone exist or in the womb. How could you care about the ones existing but not about the ones who did nothing harm to you might even have potential to become good individuals.
Third- I don't have kids. I wouldn't let my kid in wars or suffer or die. I would sacrifice my life for them in a heartbeat. So, don't teach me that. maybe say that to someone does that thing. I care about every life whether they're born or still in the womb.🤷🏻♀️
Four- you just asked me why do we care about foetus but you didn't ask my stand on my opinion on women who choose to abort, do you? Maybe then ask first before you make a comment on me like that.- 11 mo
yes and i think we should always be more supportive of the pregnant woman instead of the fetus. the fetus won't feel a thing while the mother will probably be traumatized from having a kid she doesn't want.
well im talking ab the kids already in war and poverty. thats just sad, why do u care more ab a fetus than an already alive woman who will just have to throw her whole life away for this?
ok so where do u stand on abortions?
1.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because some of us have brains developed enough to know that killing babies is wrong.
01 Reply- 11 mo
its not babies tho, maybe care more about the actual living babies over fetuses?
Anonymous(36-45)11 mothe radical-right care think the rights of foetuses are more important than fully grown humans simply to annoy the libs - they are so fanatical and obsessed with opposing the libs that they would cut off their own nose to spite their face
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11 moA fetus becomes a human life. Like seriously? Everyone starts out as a fetus kiddo. Just because you don’t think your life has any value, doesn’t mean you get to impose your shitty outlook and lack of regard for human life on others.
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yes and? so u care more about a fetus that can't feel anything over an already alive kid in poverty?
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Nice strawman argument lol. Making a fool of yourself as always 😂
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how am i making a fool out of myself?
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tell me, ill wait. and tell me what ur doing to help those kids before u start forcing women to do stuff they dont want with their bodies.
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I never said anything about my stance on abortion. Once again, attacking a strawman. I could explain to you how you make a fool of yourself, but you probably wouldn’t understand.
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ok so u think women should be able to get abortions? i would, go on.
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Stay mad
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ab what?
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this is how i know i won this argument, got nothing else to say💀
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I’m dying 💀☠️
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millenial
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11 moIt's not that we don't care about them. It's just that people are egoistic as fuck and always twist their perception to their advantage
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men say this until they get their mistress pregnant.
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what i said already included men. reading comprehension is a good skill to develop.
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gosh u really are that retarded💀
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hey don't be mad at me for not comprehending what i said correctly. that's on you.
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i did tho. i think u missunderstood my response.
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you said "men say this until they get their mistress pregnant." i said "people are egoistic as fuck and always twist their perception to their advantage". "people" include men. so i'm not saying what you said is wrong. i'm saying that i already included that in my statement so it's weird for you to just point it out again as if i had not already said that. so what exactly was it that i missunderstood about what you said?
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ok then why respond at all? but i bet ur against abortion like most men anyway
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so i didn't missunderstand you then you just wanted to beat on men. gotcha. that's fine. takes some character to admit but noticing the problem is the first step towards growth.
anyway the issue i see is that people (men as well as women) seem to shift what they think about abortion publicly around what is most convenient for them personally. so that means when people don't have personal disadvantage from being anti abortion, they are anti abortion. but as soon as they would personally somehow benefit from abortions being ok, they condone abortions.
so what i'm saying is in general society we aren't having a moral discussion about whether or not aborting a pregnancy (and obviously killing the fetus in the process) is ok or not. what we're really discussing is whether it's convenient or not. and that's an entirely different debate. cause obviously if you fucked up and you got pregnant and the man you fucked is gone and you don't have money, you'd rather get rid of that baby. but if you don't have that problem (and particularly if you'll never have that problem like men will never have that problem), you're usually against abortions cause you personally don't suffer the consequence.
hope you see what i mean. i think that's largely true. - 11 mo
and you see typically it's those men who like to recklessly fuck around without condom that are the ones who are pro abortion and those who have sex responsibly are typically against abortions.
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you’ll make it, hun. ok let them? as long as they dont force it upon others idc. riight. still doesn't really matter.
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do you consider a baby "others" or not? cause that's quite litterally the point of the entire debate. like either you're ok with things being forced on "other people" or you don't consider people. which is it? or are you actually ok with people being forced?
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what? others as in the people having abortions. shaming them for doing whats best for their situation. r u retarded?
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you trying to call me retarded makes you sound retarded as fuck. you should stop it and just ask more questions so you fucking learn something finally.
is it ok to force people to do something yes or no? if no: are babies people? that's the question you have to answer in order to even start a debate about abortions. - 11 mo
BRO RU DUMB? did u literally not read my response?
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well you're 16 and you're talking like it for sure. stubborn idiotic tiktok scrolling brainrotted idiot. not reducing you to your age. there's people smarted than that your age but i guess not everyone can be bright. you may read what i said again and actually think and learn or you may not. i'm done throwing pearls of wisdom before the swine xD cya
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omfg retard🤦♀️ and these are supposted to be fathers? we’re fucked💀
They consider the fetus as a full fledged baby, so they consider it a murder.
00 Reply12K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because a "fetus" is a sovereign human being with its own unique DNA.
03 Reply- 11 mo
and?
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and why do u say fetus like that? i was expecting a solid argument. then why dont u care for all the kids in adoption centres being abused huh?
11 moThere's a soul in all of us
We know years conscious, feels pain01 Reply- 11 mo
and? do u remember anything from the womb? would u care if u were aborted?
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11 moIf you were aborted as a fetus you wouldn't be here to bitch about random stuff.
11 Reply- 11 mo
and i literally wouldn't care, bc fetuses dont have consciousness.
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11 moBecause it is a human. The same reason we care about anyone.
01 Reply- 11 mo
my god💀
4.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. When you cope with reality so hard your brain no longer uses logic.
01 Reply- 11 mo
ur a 33 yr old MAN making opinions about womens bodies.
11.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because a fetus is a human being and an abortion is premeditated murder.
01 Reply- 11 mo
and? does it serve a purpose? i dont think soo..
3.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Your brain is being pumped with half of all the bullsh! t. Try both halves
05 Reply- 11 mo
ur 70. get a life.
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nope, never said i was
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riiight
Anonymous(36-45)11 moI support women's rights, and I don't support religious fanatics.
Still, there are limits (3. months).
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u 11 moWhy shouldn't we? These are human beings.
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why should we? and ur point is?
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My point is that human life should be cherished, valued, and protected, particularly at its most vulnerable stage.
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well idc
4.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Why would you want to kill a baby 🤡
01 Reply- 11 mo
why wouldn't u?🤡
26.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. We all started out as fetuses
014 Reply- 11 mo
ur point is?
- 11 mo
i literally would not care?💀 fetuses literally dont even have a consciousness
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okay- you are only 16 so I assume you do not know what you are talking about. However, I know somebody who had to deliver her baby prematurely. The baby weighted less than 3 pounds. Hospitals today have the technology to save a lot of these so called fetuses. I saw him in his little incubator. He did not look like much but when I stuck my hand in there and I put my finger into his little hand , that so called fetus squeezed my finger.
That baby will be celebrating his 3rd birthday in a couple of months.
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ok so bc im 16 im clueless? thats a smart way of thinking.
ok and? he would not care or know he died? as i said, he doesn't have consciousness. - 11 mo
@chocolatetwopointtwo yes, 16 year olds are clueless. that’s exactly right. You are a baby in the woods
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then ur clearly retarded
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Kid, I told you before, I’ll just reiterate one more time if for whatever reason it didn’t get through to your brain, nothing you say has any effect on me.
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@chocolatetwopointtwo Okay- i guess that was a cheap shot. I was not being fair to you. However how do you know that a fetus does not have consciousness? At what point does it become a person?
If the fetus has the nervous system to move independently is it possible it has consciousness?
It is a very complex issue which really is above my pay grade but it needs to be studied by the scientific community. Not the pope and not the president. - 11 mo
ok then leave?
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@exitseven a kid gets consciousness at around 5-6 years old, thats why u barely remember anything before that time. do u remember anything from the womb?
all it takes is a google search bro.. i thought this was common sense.. didn't u learn this in school? - 11 mo
wait mb 5-6 months*
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@chocolatetwopointtwo I had a twin brother and I can remember kicking him while we were in he womb. Okay- I am only kidding about that but do you really know what consciousness is? Is it being aware of your existence? If that is the case, babies are aware when they are a lot younger than 5 years old.
Also, do they really teach you in school that babies do not have consciousness until they are 5? The public schools are in bigger trouble than I thought.
Also, do your parents know you are on this site? 😊😊😊😊
X-7 - 11 mo
did u not see my other response? ”wait mb 5-6 months” maybe read before u jump to conclusions❤️
11 moDo some research little girl.
01 Reply- 11 mo
i have, ur point is?
11 moBecause the are children created by God.
05 Reply- 11 mo
brainwashed
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Oh no it's not me that's been brainwashed. You will need a mirror for that.
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first time making a comeback?
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My second time it's usually not required.
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clearly
2.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Because it has the right to live.
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so does all the kids dying of poverty, kids in wars, why dont u care near as much for them?
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Those are tragic yes. But they qouldnt be dying from poverty if their parents were responsible enough not to bring them into the world if they can't provide for them.
As for war. The fuck you want me to do about it?
I wouldn't care about abortion if the pro choice crowd didn't make such insane arguments for it.
Hell, we wouldn't even have any debates about abortions if women werent so irresponsible to allow themselves to get pregnant in the 1st place. - 11 mo
and when ur against abortion those kids will just get more and more. i want u to help. charity. retard.
- 11 mo
do you know how many women end up pregnant after rape?
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Keep your legs closed and we won't have to worry about those kids.
I can agree to abortion if its a reault of rape.
I do not agree with abortion if qomen can't stop themselves from being irresponsible sluts.
My ex and i never used protection. If we managed to prevent pregnancy from happening, you have no excuse from doing so aswell - 11 mo
never had sex dont plan on it.
ah yes a woman needs to be violated to have full rights over her own body.
okay then if we ban abortions we should ban father leaving? dont u think?
nah dude thats js luck - 11 mo
No. A woman needs to be responsible with her choices to avoid such extremes.
And like i said, in case of rape , ok.
But a drunken hook up? Come on now.
Yes. Men should be forced to raise their offspring. Back in the day, deadbeat men were publicly shamed for it.
Maybe thats what we need. Force people to deal with the consequences of their stupid decisions.
Oh dont worry, men dont have full rights of their own body either - 11 mo
a woman should always have full rights to her body. a woman shouldn't have to be violated to have rights to her own body.
they should still be. and ur saying this rn until it actually comes to u. we both know you’d leave in a heartbeat and never look back.
yeah for men. women do it all the time. they become single mothers when the father leaves.
LMAO okay what rights dont u have?💀 - 11 mo
Abortion shouldn't be a right. It should be a medical emergency like amputation.
Being irresponsible is not a medical emergency
Why would i leave my own child?
Well in many countries its legal to circumcise a newborn boy. Why can't the baby have the right to bodily autonomy?
And in basically all countries the government can force mento go to war. If they refuse they get imprisoned and branded as a coward.
That essentially makes men government property
- 11 mo
i should have full rights to my own body. no matter the situation.
bc ur a man who runs from accountability.
yeah usually bc it’ll benefit them in the future. circumcising a girl is just abuse and torture.
and how many times have u gone to war? now compare that to the women who werent allowed to get an abortion. and nowadays women can also be forced to go to war. - 11 mo
You want full rights but won't take full reaponsability. ok
But i want to have kids. Why would i abandon them if i want to be a father?
Whats the benefit? And why is it ok to violate them?
Considering how things are going, it looks like i might have to go to war.
Stop shifting the topic.
Women can be forces to war in theory only.
Any country that sends its women to war is either desperate or stupid - 11 mo
then the man should too.
all guys say that until they actually become a father.
google’s free hun.
riight, so why not js kys now so u won't have to? and by the way a lot of women will have to too.
ah and here he goes with the sexism. there's loads of female military. stop being sexist. - 11 mo
We do or we're forced to.
Some do. Most dont.
It is. Can you use it to get my point?
Because im not a coward and have no problem going to war to protect my home.
What was sexist about my statement?
Desperation-because all the able bodied men are dead or in extremely low numbers.
Stupidity-because you dont send people that have the ability to replace all the dead men to die.
Neither of these are sexist.
Loads? 10% at best. And even fewer are as active combat infantry
you're completely missing all points i made - 11 mo
yet there's millions who dont pay child support or act as a father.
riight.
and ur point is?
good for u, same here.
nope, women are in the military too.
u wanna know why? bc women are raped, assulted and shamed for being in the military. but the ones who ignore all that, stay. im not tho. - 11 mo
ok good 4 them👍
thats just murder, and i think we both know whos better at that one… - 11 mo
well its not in my country so it doesn't really concern me?
yeah i think that law is bs. a fetus is in utero while a baby is outside of utero. not really that hard to understand if u ask me🤷♀️
then women aren't really the problem are they? - 11 mo
okay👍
ok too bad.
u said u can't wait for women getting the right to abort them after birth when men do that more than women. - 11 mo
and many of those are single moms. do u think they’d still kill it if the father was there?
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part of it yes.
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”PART OF IT” meaning both have responsebility.
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its called a underlying cause.
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if she wasn't already planning to kill the kid, the father leaving was an underlying cause.
What happened to your previous account?
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banned
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11 moToo many religiious nut busybodies !!!
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Anonymous(25-29)11 moWhy should anyone care about you?
01 Reply- 11 mo
never asked u to🤷♀️
11 moAre you psychotic?
034 Reply- 11 mo
no, why?
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Feminist?
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yes, sexist?
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Ah, that explains it. Feminism rots your soul.
- 11 mo
She doesn’t know what a feminist is
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i do know what feminism is, y'all r js too brainwashed to think its something bad.
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We know it rots your soul. No wonder you’re so miserable.
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it doesn't. i think you’ve missunderstood what feminism is. simple google search is all it takes. my life isn't miserable I don't know what ur on about🤷♀️
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I know exactly what it is. Cancer.
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simple google search its all it takes.
- 11 mo
Yup. Came back that feminism is cancer.
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and ur source is?
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@chocolatetwopointtwo you are the most miserable person on gag. Who’s kidding whom?
- 11 mo
how?
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@seeyounexttuesday I think this person is on a fake account too. She had turned 17 on her old account, now she’s back to 16. LOL 😆
- 11 mo
yeah i typed in the wrong birthday, ur not that bright are u?
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I don’t doubt it. No one real would write a question as stupid as this one.
- 11 mo
and here the MAN goes talking about what women should do with their bodies.
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Yawn. A baby isn’t your body.
- 11 mo
When you learn to say “you’re” instead of saying “ur” , then you can maybe be taken a little seriously when saying that others aren’t that bright. @chocolatetwopointtwo
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@seeyounexttuesday, honey. do u know how a baby is made? the fetus is in the womans body until its born, its in HER body…
- 11 mo
@Kingsofkings1992 maybe learn what shortings are u old male.
- 11 mo
@chocolatetwopointtwo oh I know what they are, you just look stupid and immature. if you want to fix that, you might want to do as I suggest
- 11 mo
@chocolatetwopointtwo don’t call either of us “honey.” You sound stupid as hell. The baby is a separate entity, it just happens to grow inside the womb. Not part of your body
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i dont really care what u think of me, so no❤️
- 11 mo
lmao stay mad. and no its not. the fetus is inside the woman. do i really need to explain pregnancy for u? the woman is deeply effected of that fetus. did u seriously just say my womb isn't part of my body? r u fucking retarded?
- 11 mo
no retard, I said the baby isn’t part of your body @chocolatetwopointtwo. that’s adorable that you think you need to explain something to me ha!
- 11 mo
it literally is tho? r u like serious right now? the fetus is in MY body, MY womb feeding off MY energy.
- 11 mo
Lmao js stay mad
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oh my god🤦♀️ and these are the men supposted to be fathers? man we’re fucked.
- 11 mo
Not as fucked as your worthless generation when they become adults @chocolatetwopointtwo lmao js stay mad 🤣
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in what world are we the fucked generation? id LOVE an explanation, but i remembered ur too stupid to ever come up with one. as always.
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But it’s not her body. Just so we are clear.
- 11 mo
r u dumb?
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