Do you still believe the voter ID myth?

[Anonymous]

"What could possibly be wrong with requiring people to show identification to register to vote and to vote? It turns out, a lot. It’s not about addressing voter fraud, because frankly, that’s just not a serious problem, no matter how many times Trump claims it is. ID requirements are about keeping Americans from voting—older Americans, students, Native Americans, people who can’t afford to pay the cost for one of the limited forms of ID that would count, married women, and, of course, Black and Hispanic voters.

Of course, people who support voter ID say that, even though it's rare and it's actually never happened in American history, it could happen. That's possibly true, but that's like saying, "Well, you live in a house that was built from flammable materials, so if a fire came along, your house could burn down." You drive on the highway to work, and it's unlikely, but you could still have an accident. All kinds of things could happen. The question is, will they happen? The probability of significant voting fraud is just about zero.

The real reason that some people want voter ID is that they don't want some people to vote.

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3 mo

I love all the right-wing people on here scrambling to make up some coherent reason why anyone needs a voter ID and not being able to do it.

[Bricealan]

What you state is simply not true. I work for the DMV in California, one of the most liberal states in the country. We issue no cost/low cost ($7) ID cards every day to those who cannot get a driver's license or a standard ID card, and all you must show, is your right to be in this country!!!

" ID requirements are about keeping Americans from voting—older Americans, students, Native Americans, people who can’t afford to pay the cost for one of the limited forms of ID that would count, married women, and, of course, Black and Hispanic voters".

Your argument above is just BS and you know it and everyone with half a brain knows it! "Keeping Americans from voting- older Americans, students, Native Americans, people who can't afford to pay the cost for one of the limited forms of ID that could count... yadda yadda yadda

You posted your invalid rant to someone who knows better and who has issued valid ID cards to anyone who is legally in this country and can show proof. You try to make this argument to those who do not know better!!!

[Asker]

Do you seriously think that because you issued ID cards to people, that makes you an expert on the motivation of people who want to force people to have ID cards in order to vote?

[Bricealan]

I have no idea of what you are trying to prove here. I merely told you that ID cards are free or nearly free to anyone who can show proof that they are legally entitled to be here in this country

"Do you seriously think that because you issued ID cards to people, that makes you an expert on the motivation of people who want to force people to have ID cards in order to vote?"

I have no idea what your rambling response has to do with Voter ID? You are wanting to debate about something you know nothing about. Ramble on, 'Asker"

[madhatters4]

we know voter fraud is not a serious issue that is impacting the outcomes of elections

so we know that any parameters put up to limit voting is done so only to reduce the amounts of voters represented in each election. so no i do not believe the lies conservatives are trying to spin. and anyone who is believing should ask this

why hasn't voter fraud hasn't been considered a huge issue up until the rise of the fascist Donald Trump and his Third Reich wannabe Stephen Miller

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Never did. It's just a ploy to disenfranchise voters who would typically vote Democrat. Far right Republicans have to cheat in order to win and they know that. I absolutely feel Musk had something to do with how Trump won and from the latest news I've heard about him sending in pre-filled ballots, I am probably right.

[Chazmatazz269]

100% lies.
The vast majority of US citizens are in favor of voter ID. The only reason to oppose it is YOU are cheating.

[Asker]

@Chazmatazz269 the vast majority of US citizens are not very bright and are swallowing the republicans' lies. The only reason to oppose it is that you are against racism.

[lightbulb27]

Can you let me know what city you live in. In my area we have to provide an ID to vote, but if my friends can go to your city and vote there as well, it sounds fun and we get to see a new city as well.

[Asker]

@lightbulb27 what city is it that you live in? I want to avoid it.

[lightbulb27]

that's fine by me, and my area is solid democrat.
see my next question to solve the problem...

[Asker]

@lightbulb27 go ahead and pick your own city. Of course you're gonna get caught. You're gonna get thrown in jail and you're gonna be prosecuted, but have fun, idiot.

[lightbulb27]

caught? how? if they ain't checking ID, how they know what my friends do?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Im curious. You said you are in a democratic city but is the state also blue?

[Chazmatazz269]

You’re the one perpetuating the myth.
Literally only non-citizens, and in three states felons, will be prevented from voting.
It’s hilarious how you lefties swear you’re by far the smarter and better educated party, but you’re afraid you can’t figure out how to get voter ID. 😂😂😂
This is an awful lot like the time you geniuses begged Biden to force the rest of us to pay off your student loans. All those highly educated geniuses can’t figure out how to pay their bills? 😂😂😂
Keep chirping, tweety. The vast majority of US citizens from ALL parties are in favor of voter ID. Even your leftwing rags are reporting on that fact. The only reason to oppose it is that you want to cheat. Full stop.

[Chazmatazz269]

Again, you’re the one lying.
I defy you to copy and paste any point at which i supported corporate bailouts. Never have and never will. If you get yourself into debt and can’t get out, go to church. They feed people for free. Otherwise starve to death, and good riddance. I have no use for deadbeats and criminals, and if you had any sense you would feel the same.

Furthermore, your argument that “illegal immigrants can’t vote” is complete bullsh*t. That’s the equivalent of saying “you can’t commit murder”. Then how do so many people get murdered, genius? There are laws in place that aren’t stopping it. Democrats imported millions of illegal immigrants specifically to take advantage of that fact.
Voter ID would further mitigate cheating, because states are giving illegal aliens drivers’ licenses and allowing them to vote.
Maybe the most important point is that the VAST MAJORITY of US citizens from EVERY POLITICAL PARTY are in favor of voter ID laws.
Even your leftwing rags are reporting the facts on this one important issue.
You are on the wrong side of a 90/10 issue. You’re free to be wrong, and even stoopid. But you’re not free to LIE about the facts. That’s called disinformation and i suspect you only come to this site because it’s one of few social media platforms that isn’t cracking down on disinformation and misinformation.

factually.co/.../do-82-percent-of-americans-support-voter-id-b02212
You’re wrong. Get over it.

[Chazmatazz269]

Two can play that game, liar. Try me again.

[Chazmatazz269]

You removed my responses because i posted facts that your feelings can’t counter and you don’t want everyone seeing your ignorance and bias. You weren’t being “polite”. Why should i have to? Hypocrite. Grow up.

[exitseven]

it is not a myth. Its a fact tht ypu need an ID to buy beer, you need an ID to cash a check, and you need an ID to get on an airplane. You should have an ID to vote snd anyone who is againat this it is because they want to be able to cheat.

I live in a state where they give illegal aliens drivers licenses. The Sec of State says to register to vote all you need is a drivers license. There is no way that you can tell if somebody is a citizen or not. And this is how the democrats want it.

[Asker]

Please give me a documented instance of fraud where you changed the results of the election. If you can't, then it's just trivial.

[exitseven]

the democrats set up the elections so that once the ballots end up in the ballot box there is no way to tell which one is cast by an illegal alien. That is how they get away with it. Biden cheated in the 2020 election. In 2024 the Republican National Committee knew where all the important sectors were and had lawyers and poll watchers camped out there to make sure there was no cheating. As a result Trump won in a landslide.

[Asker]

You can keep on lying all you want and making up stories. It's not going to change the reality of this.

[Asker]

If you'd just be honest just this one time and say that you simply don't want anybody who doesn't have white skin voting, I might not like what you had to say, but at least I'd respect you more.

[exitseven]

The reality is that Trump won in a landslide because the RNC stopped the cheating. The democrats could not get millions of mail in ballots and cheat.

[Asker]

There was no cheating, and there was no proof of cheating. The only reason people like you say there was cheating is that Trump said it, and you believe everything he said. I wonder how long that's going to go on before there's a disaster.

[Bricealan]

Any illegal vote is still voter fraud.

[Asker]

@Bricealan that's fine. Please give me a documented instance of illegal voting, as you put it, causing a change in election results in the United States.

[Asker]

The other things that you need an ID for don't matter. The only thing that matters is that there is no voting fraud to speak of in the U. S., and therefore the whole idea of an ID is not to prevent non-existent voting fraud. It's to prevent anyone who is not white from voting. You goddamn well know it.

[Bricealan]

@exitseven At MY DMV, we will not issue a DL to an illegal alien, NOR will me issue an ID to someone who cannot provide 'legal presence" documents.

[exitseven]

@Bricealan All states are different. I live in a one party state and they want to keep it that way.

[Asker]

@Bricealan so what?

[Asker]

Still waiting for the documented instance of voter fraud in the United States that changed the results of an election, or is it the one you can't provide?

[Bricealan]

Well, tell me then. Just WHAT is the Reality in your mind! You have all the undeniable facts, correct?

[Bricealan]

You have no facts to present. You just want to stir the shit pot and get into a heated debate with everybody. No other reason to raise the question and go on and on about it.

[slatyb]

I never did -- voter fraud is essentially non-existent in the United States. All these Voter ID initiatives are designed to make it more difficult for urban voters to cast a ballot.

[Anonymous]

Usually 🪪🆔 nobody who's got a problem showing their ID when asked to do so, especially by a law enforcement agent or an official government department/government body etc, so I for one even in my own country when I've gone to vote for my own country elections, I've always had my ID ready to show

After all, just like driving a vehicle, if I'm pulled over by a cop, I completely understand their standard procedure of "let me see your licence" 👀 as police officers do their job well police 🚓 🚨

[Opinion Owner]

So I have no problem in my own country showing ID when i go to a polling booth / aka a voting booth / aka whatever other official lingo or terminology is used for a voting centre / polling centre - election day facility 👀

[Asker]

That's nice that you have no problem with it. A lot of us do because we understand what's behind the demands that people carry such ID for voting. In our country which is not Australia people try to get people to carry ID knowing full well that this will disenfranchise a substantial part of the population. That part of the population it is believed by many will not vote for Republicans. Therefore, it is the Republicans who keep insisting that people should have ID. There is no practical purpose other than that for anyone needing ID to vote.

[888theGreat]

You have to show ID to buy Alcohol , Cigarettes, Tobacco, to fly, to purchase fire arms , to sell items at a pawn shop. Why not to vote?

[Asker]

Because voting is not trivial and voting can hurt other people as well as yourself if you vote incorrectly or wrong, there's no reason to require people to have an ID to vote.

[888theGreat]

Underage drinking isn't either or smoking. Or Driving

[Asker]

You know this is sort of one of those things where it's a solution in search of a problem. There is no voting fraud in this country and there never has been. Certainly not enough to affect the results of the election. So why this constant drumbeat of insistence on voter ID? The simple answer is many people do not want some other people to vote, and this is a way of keeping them from doing that. It's unconstitutional and so illegal as hell. Everybody is entitled to one vote.

[888theGreat]

There has always been fraud. Our mayor here told older voters they would lose their housing if they didn't vote for him.

Kennedy's father hired someone one to run with same name of another candidate to split vote so his son would win.

The MOB fixed votes so JFK could beat Nixon

Jeb Bush stole election from Gore for his brother in Florida

election workers voted for residents of a nursing home and they were found guilty and went to jail

There have been many convictions over voting fraud. Some for voting twice

People have been given alcohol for voting for certain candidates

Poople that were dead have voted.

You are spouting pure bull shit

[Asker]

Oh, I'm not spouting bullshit. Please give me an instance of fraud where it changed the result of the election, if you can.

[888theGreat]

I did , please read

[Asker]

I'm not talking about crappy little local elections. I'm talking about significant elections, and you haven't cited any.

[888theGreat]

MOB stole election for JFK and Jeb Bush stole election for W Bush

[Asker]

@888thegreat There is no proof that the mob stole the election from JFK - that is just speculation.

I agree with you that Jeb Bush stole the election for W. Bush, but that was really the Supreme Court's doing, and there is nothing we can do about that. It is unrelated to any voting fraud per se. All the voter ID cards in the world would not have prevented that particular fraud.

[Asker]

Why do any of those examples matter? This is like a completely false comparison. I don't care that people have IDs by alcohol, cigarettes, tobacco, or a flyer to purchase firearms. Those are all fine and well the way they are. We're not going to change the way we vote because the right wing wants to eliminate the vote for minorities.

[lightbulb27]

that's ludicrous. how can these people be getting government benefits and support if they don't have an ID? I've never met a person without an ID.

An ID ensures whom showed up and they voted once.

Stop abusing black people...

[Asker]

Yeah, but people don't have the right ID that will pass muster according to the save act that the Republicans are frantically trying to pass. They have to have special IDs. Expensive special IDs that are not easy to get. They also cannot be obtained rapidly unless you pay extra money for them. Like for instance on passports. I don't care if you believe it or not. The bottom line is that this is being done to keep certain people from voting and it will work if it passes

[lightbulb27]

like... there is how many months until election. Democrats should assume it will pass, get a listing of all their people that don't have ID's, raise the funds and transportaiton and get them the freaking IDs. Then, they have more ability to do what they want in the future, like get on an airplane.

This is just insane and stupid. I've never met a black person without a legit ID. Never met a person without an ID. gimmie a break. maybe they exist, if so, get them an ID.

[Asker]

The logistics of what you suggest are completely impossible. Do you know how many people that would mean? You know how much money that would cost? I don't give a shit if you think such people don't exist. They do exist, and you will find that out if your stupid act passes.

[lightbulb27]

If Democrats don't know how many it is, that's on them. If it's evenly divided left and right, then it won't matter so much.
It's bullshit til someone proves. I don't care how much it costs, they have billions. Send out some freaking emails offering free turkey dinner and an ID with bus transport. Go stand in line at food pantry like I do and get people ID's to get food. It ain't' that hard bro.

you people are unreal. just complain forever rather than solve problems. That's why we got in power what we have.

It makes no sense for people to go to voting booth without an ID. I've been ID'd every single time I go. I checked ID when I worked the booth. If someone cannot get an ID, can't remember to bring it, I question if they have the common sense to vote anyways.

Solve the problem for once and all and there is no more problem.

[Asker]

Solve your problem of your policies and your cult leader being so repugnant that nobody is going to vote for them anyway, probably.

[Asker]

Common sense is not a requirement for voting, or there would be no worries that Trump was going to win much of anything. As it turns out, he did, and that suggests that common sense doesn't exist in at least 35 to 40% of the population.

[Asker]

Also, please explain to me what the actual utility is of voter ID in your view. Why are you so insistent on this? What purpose does it serve?

[lightbulb27]

omg, have you not worked the poll booth at voting time? Go do it and then you tell me. Get yourself out of the mind meld of whatever world you are in. After you work the booth one year... which includes getting training on the processes and responsibilities, then check back. You'll get paid for it as well and do your civic duty. Good grief... the divide between people is due to perspective. So if you don't have that, then offer your perspective because I cannot understand your (or the democrats) view.

I'll note you are hiding behind a blue anon blob, which makes you a waste of time to talk to... they just disappear. you're probably in a jail cell, maybe a chinese spy, nobody knows.

[Asker]

Now, thank you. I work for a living. I don't have time to mess around as an election worker. If you do that, more power to you, and please continue doing it.

How is it that you do not understand humility and decency and peace, and yet I understand your corruption and racism all too well? I think it has to do with our respective political parties, don't you? Perhaps it also has to do with your education or what there is of it. I will use the opportunity to be anonymous any time that I feel like it. If that doesn't sit well with you, don't fucking talk to me.

Before you stop talking to me, however, please do explain to me the utility of voter ID. Why is it needed, and what is it needed for? I still don't understand that. Why don't you tell me?

[lightbulb27]

I informed you to go work for the election office so you can get a new perspective. I believe your work will give you the day off and it will be good for you, your co workers will applaud you, and you get paid a few dollars for your roughly 17 hour shift. In the training, they will tell you the rules and your job. It's a serious job, you'll take an oath and such. Then you will meet people like Joe... you'll have to verify whom Joe is, he is whom he says he is, and where he lives... check him off a list.
Joe isn't allowed to go to the next town over and vote there, the person there needs to verify whom Joe is. There are only so many ways to do that.

I will discontinue because I don't like wasting time talking with blue or pink smurf people, ones that denegrate and simplify me eventhough they don't know me, ones that make ass-umptions because they don't like what I say. I only communicate for the sake of peace and civility, like Charlie Kirk. Didn't work so well for him.
I guarantee in most places within the past few years, you had to show an ID to vote. I don't claim to know where the cracks are in the system... couldn't find any in my domain, but I have no issue with requiring an ID to identify... we sent people home to get their ID's... both Dem/Rep are represnted at that voting booth. End of story! Why a bunch of people can't support that, is beyond me, I've no idea what they are thinking. I don't know why this is still an issue. I recall Stacy Abrams making a case against it... it made no sense to me.
The specific types of ID's accepted... that could be argued, and how strict it is. ok fine. I have ears for that, that's not what I'm hearing. I question the "proof of citizenship" requirement for various reasons, maybe Id support it, maybe I won't. I don't question photo ID. I'll let the officials iron it all out. adios muchachos!

[Asker]

So you wanna just have ID to make sure that the wrong people don't vote. That is, the ones that aren't white. Why don't you just fucking admit it?

[lightbulb27]

never met a person without an ID. bring forth this group of people. If they lack an ID, the state gives everything else to them to survive, so give them an ID or private fund it. This is baloney. If they don't have an ID and an ID was already required in my area, then they already were not voting. By providing an ID, it increases the number of voters. We know not everyone votes, maybe this is a way to increase voting, respect, consideration of disadvantaged people. There are many around my area.
I don't believe a thing you say, or your thinking is frightening... or you know something I don't. those are the choices. But my solution is sound.

[Asker]

The point of your solution is to make sure, as much as you possibly can, that nobody who isn't white votes. It has nothing to do with voting fraud, since voting fraud doesn't fucking exist.

[lightbulb27]

you make no sense. you must dwell in a world I've never seen...
I've been to school with lots different races, been on an airplane full of chinese, full of black, etc.. all those people have ID's. If some americans don't have IDs, that is a huge issue that needs fixed so they can get the recognition they deserve.

[Asker]

What is the reason that anyone needs an ID for voting? The specific reason, not your made-up shit.

[Asker]

Right, you have no answers because you know that voting fraud doesn't exist in the United States. Yet. You still want voter ID and the reason for that is to make sure that people who don't vote for Republicans don't vote. That's not going to happen. You can whine about it all you want. It still won't happen. Go cry.

[Bricealan]

No such thing as a "special ID" What the hell are you talking about? I issue ID cards!!!

[lightbulb27]

I support you starting your own country, or maybe move to France. There, to vote, you don't need an ID... you just show up, check the boxes and submit the form. Wallah!! no problemo. Note that when I've worked election booth, there was mix of dem/rep, various colors, various races and cultures. Everyone was checking ID's of voters. that was in my area, cannot speak to others.
as to whether rules/laws should be changed, that can be argued. waste of my time.

[Asker]

I support you leaving the U. S. and taking your authoritarianism and racism elsewhere.

[Bricealan]

@lightbulb27 "stop abusing black people..." who is abusing black people?

[lightbulb27]

@Bricealan The asker. he's claiming a number of black people are incapable of getting an identification and that's the justification why an ID cannot be required and why he calls me a racist for saying we should check ID's. My answer is, get them ID's so they can be like everyone else. I've never met a person without an ID, don't know what he's talking about.

[Bricealan]

Oh please stop with that kind of bullshit!! "being done to keep certain people from voting and it will work if it passes"! Just who, in your twisted view of things are the Republicans trying to stop from voting? Blacks? Hispanics? Asians? Native Americans? I'm going to say Blacks because you are black and have an ax to grind for the Republican for some twisted reason!

[Anonymous]

We have voter ID here and have no issues with it so it clearly works

[goaded]

"If you do not have a type of photo ID that allows you to vote, you can apply for a Voter Authority Certificate for free. A Voter Authority Certificate is a paper document that displays your photo and can be used to prove your identity when voting at a polling station."
https://www.gov.uk/how-to-vote/photo-id-youll-need

"You’ll be asked for:

a digital photo of yourself...

your National Insurance number

You can still apply if you do not have a National Insurance number. You’ll need to provide other documents to prove your identity, for example a birth certificate, bank statement and utility bill."
www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate

Think it's that easy and cheap in the US?

[Opinion Owner]

Of course no, America makes everything more difficult usually selling it for profit

[Asker]

@goaded No, it is neither easy nor cheap here in the US. That is the whole point of the Right trying to require it.

[Asker]

Actually, voter ID itself is not the problem. The problem is that, at least in the US, making people get voter ID cards will result in a large number of people not voting in response to the honoris requirements for voter ID. This being promoted so heavily in the US is because we are a racist society, and the Republican Party does not want anyone who is not white, preferably male and Christian voting, because the Republican Party knows (and rightfully so) that these people will not vote for them. If the Republican Party had the power to cancel elections, they would do so and not bother with this, but they don't have that power as yet. Instead, what they do is suppress voting.

[Opinion Owner]

So if the democrats were for voter ID them it's all hunky dore

[Asker]

No. And even if that were true, it may not matter. However, if it's more likely than not that if a voter ID were required, Democrats would get more votes than Republicans because of the nature of people who would have difficulty acquiring such ID. People that would have difficulty acquiring the necessary ID for the same people. Who would ordinarily vote for Democrats.

[Asker]

How many times do you need to have this explained to you before you get it through your head?

[Opinion Owner]

They spent a decade trying to teach me handwriting before giving in and using a laptop so probably a hundred or so

[Asker]

I'm not gonna tell you a hundred times: figure it out.

[Asker]

That doesn't mean it works, idiot. That just means that you spent the money to do it, and so what? How has that helped you? Also, do you have Black or brown people, or people that aren't white? Do you have a country full of racism like we do?

[Opinion Owner]

No fraud so no double voters, dead voters or unregistered voters

We have them but our racists are mostly laughed at