What do you think about FedEx (and more companies to follow) suing Trump for a refund on tariffs?

[Anonymous]

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/fedex-sues-trump-over-tariff-refunds-rcna260350

[madhatters4]

they should ONLY if they didn't pass tariff fees on to the consumers OR if they intend to use the money from any settlement to reimburse consumers

I am a person who had UPS slap a $200 tariff on a purchase. if UPS were to sue and win a suit against the administration i'd expect reimbursement

[Pohjolan]

Why? There is no law against UPS hiking prices due to higher taxation.
The tax payers who had to pay the tariffs in higher prices and then have to pay taxes to compensate for tariffs to companies voted for this as a collective.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan
"The tax payers who had to pay the tariffs in higher prices and then have to pay taxes to compensate for tariffs to companies voted for this as a collective."
NO I didn't vote for this

there is no law about increasing prices but there are laws about charging a tax to customers if there was no tax incurred or the tax is reimbursed by the taxing party (the US gov't). if you (a company) sue for the higher prices you passed on to customers you should reimburse those customers. otherwise you've just gotten free money.
ex.
shirt cost $20
tariffs are $5
you charge customer $25

you sue the government for the $5 tariff and win the $5 back. if you don't reimburse the customer you passed the fees on to then the company has made $10. $5 off the government, $5 off the customer

[Pohjolan]

No. 5-5+5=5 They would make 5 $ from just the customers while government would just return the 5 $ company paid for.
Some company can sue a importer but we'll see how that goes.
You guys voted for a con artist who is protecting a pedo ring and has declining mental health. Buckle up because that ride is far from over.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan i already said this... but if the suit goes their way they get the $5 bucks from the government and keep the $5 they collected from the customer... THUS they earned $10 extra dollars.

so why should a company make $5 in tariffs if they were remibursed the tariff? and to be clear it wasn't a simple increase in price, it was priced as a tariff. it's even listed on receipts... i literally have the email saying i am paying extra for the tariff

i'm going to be done with this convo cause it's rather clear you don't know what you're talking about. do a lot more research without your bias and maybe you can have a educated convo on the matter

[Pohjolan]

@madhatters4
Do you have intellectual disability? You don't make 5 $ if you borrow someone 5 $ without interest and later get 5 $ back.
The companies only get the money they charged from the customer to cover the money they borrowed US government.
If you consider this a unethical arrangement then you can blame Trump.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan what money are they borrowing from the government in this case?

dude don't call me intellectually disabled when you say moronic things like that

[Pohjolan]

@madhatters4
No no the government is effectively borrowing money FROM the companies.
Let me explain. You and Bezos have one apple. Bezos lends his apple to Trump and gets one apple from you. Later Trump returns his apple to Bezos so he now has two apples. At no point will the two apples turn into three apples.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan "you and bezos have one apple" the beginning of the flaw in logic. Bezos isn't sharing apples with anyone dude. Bezos isn't lending the apple to trump, he paid the apple to trump. if a court comes in and says the paid apple was illegal and must be returned. the apple still was never borrowed, it was paid until a court mandated it be returned.

BUT I still paid an apple to Bezos, because Bezos had to pay an apple to trump and passed that cost on to me. When and if trump returns the apple Bezos paid, Bezos now has his apple paid back, and the apple i paid him so he has TWO APPLES in the hand

you just need to accept your logic is flawed my friend. please stop this
$100 Adidas soccer ball
trump tariffs all germany imports 10%
so when that ball is shipped via UPS it cost UPS $10 to bring the ball into the country.
UPS passes that $10 cost on to the purchaser of the ball, to cover teh $10 they lost
but the supreme court comes in and says the tariffs were illegal
no UPS sues the government to return the tariff money.
If they win, Gov't gives UPS $10. Now UPS has the $10 they paid, and the purchasers $10
the purchaser is out $10. UPS has $10 they paid, plus the $10 the purchaser gave them.
THEY OWE THE PURCHASER $10

[Pohjolan]

@madhatters4
Its practically a loan. Trump knew from the get go that this was illegal.
They companies only made 10$ from that arrangement.
Good luck trying to find a law that they owe the purchaser 10$. Its not like they are obligated to drop prices after tariffs are back to normal.
If the competition does it then they will too but higher prices might be the new normal.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan the didn't increase the price. the added a tariff tax on to their price. it's not like the increased the price of the soccer ball. they added an additional tax on the receipt.

if a company can sue for tariffs applied illegally
why shouldn't consumers be due reimbrusement for illegal tariffs applied?

[Pohjolan]

@madhatters4
"why shouldn't consumers be due reimbrusement for illegal tariffs applied?"
Can you find a law obligating companies to do so?
Lawmakers may not even have considered that illegal tariffs will be a thing in the future.

[madhatters4]

@Pohjolan taxes are based on implemented local, state and federal laws. if you charge someone a tax based on an illegal law, you've illegally taxed someone

so you should be asking, is it ok to tax consumers for a non-taxable item. the answer is it is 100% illegal

[Pohjolan]

@madhatters4
Oh but no one has been taxing the consumers illegally.
They were free not to purchase things such as food or medicine.
Importers were not free not to pay a tax on the basis that it was illegal.

[BonzoInBitburg]

Trump refusing to return money he illegally collected from Americans really says a lot about his character.

[Asker]

I agree 100%! However, he has a long history of screwing people over and taking their money.

[NoDecision]

Why would Fed Ex sue? They are just a delivery company and pay no tariffs as far as I know because they don't import anything.

[Anonymous]

Good. I hope they get their money back.

[Opinion Owner]

If Trump took away the money unlawfully. They should get it back.

[Asker]

Me too!

[Opinion Owner]

I’m suprised Donald Trump has fans and supporters

[permanentem]

Seems fruitless given Trump is slapping tariffs on nations for national security purposes to protect domestic industries deemed vital for national defense and economic stability. Given that we are headed in that direction with military tribunals to come and martial law in certain cities a declaration of a national emergency could very easily be used to seize the means of production. If they are not serving the goals of the country and they refuse to cooperate with the federal government they could be taken over. It's not the time to go to war with the federal government.

[loveslongnails]

We, the public, still get fucked. WE, the public, paid for the increased costs past on to us BY corporations like FedEx. They just passed on the tariff costs to us in the form of increased rates, but now THEY'RE going to get money back from the government? What about us? WE paid for it!1

You see, I told you dumb fuckers... it's all a grift !! WE paid for the tariffs, and now the corporations are going to get RE-PAID for the increase they already charged us.

Magats... is this beyond your tiny little brain's comprehension?

[Hagar88]

Theyve already past costs on to customers. Will they refund said costs to customers? I dont think so.

If the Federal government started looking into how these companies treat their employees they might find themselves in a world of hurt.

[Pohjolan]

They are not legally obligated to compensate for higher prices but US government is legally obligated to return illegal taxes.

[Hagar88]

@Pohjolan the Democratically elected government determines what is legal

[Pohjolan]

@hagar88
Nah it can change laws but not retroactively.

[Hagar88]

@Pohjolan it retroactively change laws is they make laws to do so.

[AviatorTom]

It's double-dipping. Fedex and other companies have already passed on the stuff cost to their customers. They have no losses due to tariffs, no damages, to recover. A lawsuit is a waste of time and money... Only the lawyers will win.

[Pohjolan]

Doesn't make a illegal tax legal. Big companies are the winners here while tax payers who have to compensate for the tariffs are the losers.

[AviatorTom]

@Pohjolan I would never contend the tariffs were legal, since SCOTUS says they were not. SCOTUS left it up to the lower courts to deal with reimbursement, which I personally think they will fail at. How will any company be able to clearly identify what the illegal tariffs cost them, versus the tariffs already in place? And if they passed on some of that to their customers, who paid more, how can they claim a specific damage amount to be successful in any lawsuit?

Personally, I believe it would be best to forget about reimbursement, and think Trump is right. Any reimbursement suits will be tied up in court for years. Only lawyers would get any money. Let's not do that, huh.

[Pohjolan]

@AviatorTom
If they are not reimbursed then the supreme court is wrong and it is actually legal.

"How will any company be able to clearly identify what the illegal tariffs cost them, versus the tariffs already in place? "
You do realise they have accountants and the tariffs approved by congress are public information?
"how can they claim a specific damage amount to be successful in any lawsuit?"
They don't have to prove any damage. Just that they were taxed illegally.

" I believe it would be best to forget about reimbursement, and think Trump is right."
If you bothered to read the law you would see that the supreme court is right and Trump is wrong.
"Any reimbursement suits will be tied up in court for years."
It might be the next government that has to raise taxes to pay for Trumps loans.

[NaultD]

These companies already pay a surcharge to cover the tariff now they get a rebate. That's profit motivation and capitalism spirit at it's finest. Dow up something or another. That means economy is good. Better then ever at the expense of somebody.

[Asker]

Trump broke the law, and they want their money back. It's that simple. Also, the economy is not "good." Not a single poll shows that the majority of Americans think that the economy is "good."

[NaultD]

It's double bad for everyday people. They got a surcharge fee and won't get a refund.

The rich get richer. A tale as old as time. Tariffs are called a regression taxes compared to progressive tax like income tax.

Yet being progressive or left leaning is a death sentence for majority of political personally. Kamala lost her election being too supportive to Israel.

Yet here we are counting the hours before don bombs iran per Israel demands.

Ow I forgot this is about terrifs. Doubling down wanting ww3 for a doomsday cult and we piss off everyone because the usa objective is not to survive another day.

[OneViewpoint]

I think it's hilarious but ultimately a total waste of time. Just more wasted energy dragging our economy down with chaos.

[exitseven]

There is no guidelines for returning funds from tariffs. The Supreme Court needs ot step up and deal with a problem that they created. By the time it gets settled the new tariffs that were imposed last week will have colleccted enough money that it will cancel out these tariffs anyway.

[Asker]

The SCOTUS got it right this time. He overstepped his bounds. The Constitution is crystal clear. He just didn't have enough justices in his pocket to turn it the other way. Most individuals and companies don't like to get screwed out of money.

[exitseven]

The president has the authority to regulate foreign trade. Just because it does not specifically say the word tariff does not mean that tariffs are not used to regulate foreign trade.

[Asker]

The SCOTUS got it right! It's encouraging to see the judiciary take steps to put Trump's authoritarian tendencies in check. He's like a bull in a china shop.

[exitseven]

the results speak for themselves.

[Asker]

They do! This has been a disaster! They can't even explain what happened to all the money.

[exitseven]

the money is in the treasury and the trade deficit has been decreased. I just heard today that Apple will be making Mac computers in Texas.

[Asker]

In "the Treasury," soooo this was just a tax scheme then... on top of the taxes we already pay... like a double federal tax. I thought the GOP were the "low tax... no tax" people. If Dems did this, MAGA would be screaming bloody murder!

[exitseven]

No, foreign countries are paying for this. Even though democrats are claiming that to American public is paying, the inflation figures tell a different story. They have held steady since the beginning and recently went down a little more. The trade deficit has also decreased because of fewer imports and more exports. Apple is building a factory in Texas ro build Mac computers in the USA.

[Asker]

This might help you understand that "foreign countries" paying is a lie. I use FedEx all of the time in my business. I'M PAYING FOR THIS!!! Here's from the FedEx website AFTER the SCOTUS decision:

"As a transportation provider and customs broker, FedEx is required to assess and collect duties and taxes in accordance with current customs regulations and government directives in effect at the time of import."

TRANSLATION: THE CUSTOMER PAYS!!!

[exitseven]

how do you explain low inflation? hoe do you explain less imports and more exports? How do you explain all the new investment in the USA? FedEx is looking for a payday.

[Asker]

F grade for poor deflection. I showed you clear proof. I run a business. You can go sell bullshit somewhere else. I guess you're taking notes from Pam Bondi who as AG refused to answer direct questions about the Epstein Files, but instead wanted to talk about the stock market... which is not in her job description. I'm always amazed at the lengths you guys will go to justify the insanity of your Dear Leader... even when he's screwing you. It's truly pathetic and disturbing...

[msc545]

Yeah, good luck with that. What judge or court has the courage to rule against Trump, given the way things are right now? And even if one of them does rule against Trump, good luck collecting a dime from this guy or the government.

[Pohjolan]

Illegal tariffs are just a interest free loan for the US government.

Of course they will delay it as long as they can as inflation reduces the real value of the money but eventually they have to pay up.

[Dargil]

It's NBC news so I don't have to think about it.

[Asker]

So, you don't believe FedEx is suing him because it's a story from NBC? Are you serious?

[Agape93]

They shouldn't get it because what extra they paid, they made us pay it and more.

[jshm2]

Obviously they are not the the only ones.

[Asker]

That's right!

[LC75LC71]

Bitches better have my packages!

[Asker]

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[Anonymous]

FedEx always knows best 🤭📦 they're the parcel people and letter people 📬 privately

[888theGreat]

I think they should sue Trump's corrupt Gov't

[In_Trance]

Fake story. Not gonna happen

[Asker]

There is nothing "fake" about this. This is only the beginning. More companies will now file as they have a solid legal basis to get their money back.

[In_Trance]

Have fun waiting to see who gets a refund...

Spoiler alert... Nobody.

Nobody is getting a refund

[Asker]

So, here's Trump... the "pro-business" screwing businesses... just like he did in NY...

[In_Trance]

No not exactly.
I'm sure if you check any of your imports from any country all over the world they have increased double digits.
The American people are really paying the tariffs, not companies.

[Asker]

So, Trump is screwing American consumers! He's a master at screwing others and laughing about it...

[In_Trance]

Technically Americans are screwing themselves.
Stop buying imported goods. What happened to buy American?

[Asker]

Are you kidding? We have a global economy whether you like it not! America can't make EVERYTHING! It's not 1950... it's 2026! Have ever heard of "Amazon"? Where do you think Walmart gets its inventory from? Stop being delusional! What about the foreign car manufacturers who have plants here and hire AMERICANS? Blaming American consumers is a lame ass deflection! Trump has a long, long history of tanking businesses and screwing employees! How in the fv<k do you bankrupt a CASINO? WTAF? What happened to Trump University, Trump steaks, Trump Bibles, Trump golden shoes, Trump Mortgage, Trump Airlines, GoTrump com, etc? He's a grifter and a con artist... and he has an army of dupes and suckers following him! PATHETIC!!!

[In_Trance]

Lol... Right.
Americans are the ones paying the tariffs

No refunds coming

[Asker]

So, why did Trump do this in the first place, if he knew American consumers would be getting screwed?

[In_Trance]

Because the reality is Trump is no different from any other politician. It doesn't matter if they're blue or orange Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal.. .. they're all the same.

Side note it's actually quite humorous to watch people argue over which politician is better than the other.

Tariffs were put in place for one reason and one reason only; to tax the people more

[Asker]

Yes, so he played on the stupidity of the American people...

[In_Trance]

You got it