Does anyone else remember when being a law enforcement officer was something to be proud of and respected?

[goaded]

You know, back in the days when they wouldn't wear masks like they were the bad guys in a Western. When it was all about policing by consent.

[Spencer10]

I think we need to be careful when viewing the past. In many ways the "good old days" where not so good. Police brutality was very normal not so long ago. Police regularly violated human rights as well. Overall policing has been improving in my opinion... with some exceptions.

[goaded]

Oh, hell, yes! We don't want to go back to the 1970's, but that's what avoiding body cameras today is. Police who are doing their jobs have nothing to fear from being identified, unless they're deep undercover. Videoed interactions with the public will only improve relations, if they're respectful.

[Spencer10]

Agreed. I am sure people fighting for civil rights did not appreciate having dogs and water canons used on them. There have been improvements. But there have also been steps back... overall I still have great respect for most peace officers.

[exitseven]

@goaded In the 70s we did not have the homeless crisis we have today. The cops were allowed to do their jobs. The ICE protesters in Minnesota would have been arrested immediately and 30 days in jail and a permanent police record would be enough of a deterrent to effectively stop any more trouble.
We did not have all these liberal judges who turn violent criminals loose with just a slap on the wrist and nobody cares until somebody dies.

[slatyb]

If they are deep undercover, then the public won't know that they are police officers.

[goaded]

@exitseven That must be why the anti-Vietnam protests were so small and quiet.

[exitseven]

Compared to what we have now they were. Protesters would meet the business end of a riot baton and when they woke up they would have a different attitude

[goaded]

@exitseven So you're anti-constitutionally protected protests. Got it.

[exitseven]

No, but inserting yourself in between the federal agent and the target is wrong. Throwing rockes, bottles and fireworks at the police is assault plain and simple. They should be arrested and do some jail time.

[goaded]

@exitseven You just said that police were right to beat protesters in the 1970s. What do you think Pretti's and Good's attitudes would be, if they hadn't been murdered?

[exitseven]

If they both did a year in jail I bet they would think twice before screwing with the cops.

[goaded]

@exitseven What crime do you think they would have been convicted of?

[exitseven]

assault on a federal officer and obstruction of justice.

[goaded]

@exitseven Bruising the police officer's knuckles with his face. Driving near a police officer.

[Shiprex]

It is that way in many countries where the rule of law and right to life is valued

[goaded]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles
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upload.wikimedia.org/.../...fenglanda00blac%29.pdf

[Shiprex]

Thanks for the MHO

[goaded]

Well earned!

[Zack-Bann]

Pretty damn sure lefties have always hated and disrespected cops ;)


There is no true love or respect for cops without a love and respect for the law itself and the nation that supplies it


The truth is: nothing a cop does is fun or “consensual” because his job is to enforce a law onto people choosing to break it


As far as the Ice masks go, they are in fact protection from personal attack due to people doing their jobs
It’s not about gardeners and ice cream vendors
But we know exactly what the lefties will do if they can identify the Ice agents. They will doxx them, they will bully their kids at school, throw eggs at their cars etc.


So yes it is necessary for someone doing the hard and unpopular but entirely necessary job to keep their identity secure

[goaded]

In some countries, policing is absolutely consensual. The police are well trained and respectful of people and their rights.

No, we don't "know exactly what the lefties will do if they can identify the Ice agents", because they can't. Even the one who murdered Ms. Good didn't have anything like what you're claiming happened to you.

If you're an LEO you can still empathize with people who think the law is wrong while you're enforcing it and still be respected.

Instead, ICE break the law regularly, following orders from above who they now know will cover up for their crimes up to and including murder.

The massive increase in "violence" against ICE agents? That comes from re-defining things like videoing them as a violent attack.

[goaded]

*to them.

[slatyb]

In the US? There has always been abuse of citizens by police, going back to the first police forces. There's a long list of minorities being abused by police: Irish, Black, Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, Mexicans, Jews, Gays, Suffragetes. There is also a long history of corruption related to vice enforcement -- alcohol, drugs, prostitution, gambling, and corruption related to organized crime shakedowns of local businesses.

[DryGermanGuy]

It's still a solid job here. Then again, in Germany it takes three years of training to be a LEO.

[goaded]

That's a good thing.

Since 2016 new police officers in the UK have to have had a degree-level education (bachelor's), and a heck of a lot more before you're firearm qualified, if you ever are.

That's not to say that ACAB is completely irrelevant, but it helps.

[exitseven]

The times have changed. Cops are often fired or even imprisoned for doing their jobs. Their superiors do not support them and crazy politicians want to defund the police. As a result it is hard to find good people who want to be cops and often the people who would have been rejected are actually on the police force.

[goaded]

It depends on what you call "doing their jobs" is. There wouldn't be protests against known criminals being picked up and deported, there are against tens of thousands of generally innocent people being dragged off to concentration camps.

[exitseven]

@goaded no innocent people are being dragged off to concentration camps. If somebody does not have an arrest warrant issued for them and they are still in the country illegally and they are present when others are arrested then they are still subject to deportation.
There are no concentration camps. They are sent to detention centers. It is true that these detention centers are not as fancy as the 5 star hotels these fine people are used to but more of these facilities are being built to alleviate this problem.

[goaded]

www.nytimes.com/.../...hool-student-ice-freed.html
"A high school student from the Bronx who was arrested at an immigration courthouse nearly a year ago — a moment that foreshadowed a stark escalation of President Trump’s deportation tactics — has been released from federal custody.

Dylan Lopez Contreras, whose arrest was the first widely known instance of a public school student in the city being detained by federal agents since Mr. Trump returned to office, was freed before dawn on Wednesday, according to his legal team. A group of immigration advocates traveled overnight to pick him up from the Moshannon Valley Processing Center in Pennsylvania...

“Dylan did everything right,” Mr. Schumer said in a statement. “He entered legally, worked to support his family and enrolled in school, and he should have never been detained like this.”"

[exitseven]

is there proof that he entered the country legally? The law is clear. What gets obscured is what his attorney might have said. They argue that he has been here since he was 6 months old or he applied for a visa or some other excuse. the black and white answer is that he was not authorized to enter the country and is subject to deportation.

[goaded]

No, the law is not "clear". You could legally come into the country, even having fought alongside US special forces in Afghanistan, and then Trump takes your legal status away from you, has you grabbed by armed masked men and locked up.

Who's going to support US forces in countries they invade in the future, if they can't trust the US not to send them back to almost certain death when the US loses yet another war?

[exitseven]

Hopefully the US lost it's last war during the Biden admiistratiom.

[slatyb]

You mean like Iraq and Afghanistan? Bush was President. Now we're busy losing in Iran.

[exitseven]

@slatyb We are in a completely different war with a completely different set of rules. The US is in it to win it.

[slatyb]

And what does "win" mean? Did we win in Iraq? We deposed Hussein, killed thousands, and for what?

[goaded]

"For the record, the President of the United States is now simultaneously claiming that he has won the war, is currently winning the war, needs help to win the war, and needs no help to win the war. All to destroy the nuclear program he claims to have already destroyed last year." -- Daractenus

[goaded]

By the way, there's a German word for "We are in a completely different war with a completely different set of rules. The US is in it to win it.", it's Blitzkrieg.

[exitseven]

No , it is fighting to win and not fighting to make arms dealers rich.

[goaded]

Sure, because they're not going to spend a billion dollars or two on arms for every day they attack Iran. Hegseth calling for No Quarter is literally a war crime. Not doing it, just calling for it from a position of authority. You support war criminals who started a war to distract from their crimes in the Epstein files.

[slatyb]

Can you provide some examples of police officers fired or imprisoned for doing their jobs? Mostly I see officers not charged for egregious violations of a citizen's civil rights.

[NathanDavis]

ah yes...

I definitely miss 1114 B. C...

[lightbulb27]

Yes was heavily promoted and respected by some. Always been some people that don't respect.

There were lots of cop shows and they were usually the good guys.

I always regarded police and treat them with respect.

[Kaneki05]

Officially the dumbest question you've ever posted. But ya know I am sure swat don't wear any masks during raids at all not even under Biden.

[goaded]

So you're saying ICE are scared gardeners, ice cream vendors and pastors are going to have their minions come after them seeking violent revenge?

[msc545]

And to some extent, for some law enforcement officers, this is still true. However, even law enforcement officers have been victims of the smearing that has occurred since ICE took over.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Save when they were beating and killing us with impunity !!!

[KimmySchmit]

Im too young. Not a job I would do but very necessary

[Mike_Hum]

I remember the left screeching for body cameras then we got to see that most police brutality is justified.

[goaded]

Oh, I'd love to see proof of that. Either way, they were a good thing, then, weren't they, so why did you say they wouldn't be?

Strange how no bodycam footage came out showing Pretti's murder.

[Mike_Hum]

Right because ice weren’t wearing body cams at the time. And pretty wasn’t murdered.

You can literally go search body cam footage online for proof. It’s not that hard.

[goaded]

So, your scientific approach to deciding "police brutality is justified" was watching body cam footage that you like, which the algorithm will give you more of? Do you think the police publish videos where they forgot to turn off their bodycams before beating someone up?

Yes, Pretti was murdered, he was on his hands and knees, disarmed, and being held down by half a dozen agents when he was shot to death.

[Mike_Hum]

Your scientific approach is pushing propaganda. And no he wasn't murdered no matter how much you lie about it.

[goaded]

I would look up scientific studies, not make assumptions based on what entertains me. What would you call shooting an unarmed man in the back a dozen times, if not murder?

nij.ojp.gov/.../body-worn-cameras-what-evidence-tells-us
nij.ojp.gov/.../research-body-worn-cameras-and-law-enforcement
sites.wp.odu.edu/.../...olice-Accountability-2.pdf
bwc.thelab.dc.gov/...WC_Working_Paper_10.20.17.pdf

[Mike_Hum]

Right. Sure none of those studies invalidates what I said.

[goaded]

You said "most police brutality is justified".

[Snakeyes7]

Gee, I wonder which side decided they were all bastards.

[goaded]

The sides that were being shot, beaten, tazed, and hit with watercannon, probably.

[Snakeyes7]

Yet needs to rely on them for most of their policies. Good luck enforcing gun control without the police... unless you want to BE the police.

[Agape93]

Nope.