What is our situation in Iran?

[Dargil]

The war is not a skirmish. It is a war with geopolitical consequence with the power to set us toward continued prosperityor close off vital interests. Up to last week, Iran had no intention of negotiating with us. Iran’s leaders now believe Trump’s decree that he would end their society lightning-fast destruction. We could do that. Democrats in and out of office will tell you that Iran is winning. They aren't. The disconnect is two sides defining victory. For us, it is surrender. For Iran, it is survival.

Iran’s pre-war goal was obtaining nuclear weapons that would checkmate the West, like North Korea and dare the West and the Sunnis to screw with them. They believed that the Americans and Europe would not confront a nuclear-armed Iran with miniaturized a nuclear weapons and put it on a missile that could reach the West. Eventually the U. S. We needed to act and stopped that ambition.

A month of fighting is nothing in the history of U. S. warfare. It may not be over, but it’s closer to the end than the beginning because the rules of engagement for our side are different than before. We are dealing with a vulnerable enemy. The difference is money. Cut the money off, and Iran would dissolve quickly without oil revenue.

The nature of war has changed for the West. Europe is convinced that war is passé and have stripped their militaries of warfighting capacity in favor of social benefits. The war in Ukraine has challenged that belief. Europe has settled on ex ante surrender. Iran won’t surrender in the traditional sense. (Neither will Ukraine). They believe that their defense is in depth (tunnels, redoubts, defense industrial base, etc.). Their willingness to accept huge losses will see them outlast us.

We must take away their theocratic doctrine and Send them back to the Stone Age if needed; giving Persia time to fix itself as a nation of industrious, storied people who can join the ranks of good nations. That's where we are.

[Tamera952]

Our situation? …a big shitshow. A stinking nasty pile of steaming excrement.
A huge national embarrassment, a sickening and complete and utter waste of time and resources, a misreading of the consequences, and a further degradation of our influence and standing in the world.
We got nothing to show for it, plus we (and the world) are worse off, paying more for gas, food, fertilizer, etc. Inflation is on the rise as a result. —Started with no plan, no strategy, no authority from Congress, with confusing and unachievable goals, emboldened Iran extremists, missed the opportunities presented weeks earlier when the country was rioting and unstable, … all the while, lying, lying, lying, pissing off and alienating our allies, showing OrangeTurd is (again) easily manipulated and influenced, this time by Netanyahu— and further lowered the bar (again) for presidential decorum with his ever-evolving rants, expletives, and threatening of war crimes. Showing his epic mismanagement (again), further weakening the country, racking up debt, highlighting his inability to take in information, and unstable mental condition. Plus he managed to break the last and final promise to his MAGA-TARDS regarding NO NEW WARS, losing a chunk of their support and sinking ever so deeper in his popularity.

That’s just some of the shitty details.

[Dargil]

Typical XX emotional nonsense.

[DryGermanGuy]

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[purplepoppy]

The situation is the world now sees you as the bad guys. No one's saying Iran is the good guys they're not, but if you see two thugs in the street having a punch up you don't split them into good and bad do you.

America is a thug throwing its weight around nothing more and to hell with the collateral damage affecting innocent people around the world. Even if America wins the war it'll be decades before it shakes its reputation as a bully.

Now here's the hard fact, when you declare war on a country they're allowed to kill you in return. Trump has put the lives of millions of Americans living over the pond at risk.

[NaultD]

What is the USA win condition? Don says its to stop a nuke but Iran with a single drone of $10,000 is threatening and holding hostage billions of dollars of international trade. 10x more damage then a single nuke Iran could build and deploy.

We can throw trillions of dollars and millions of troops and it's all being bogged down by the cheapest of cheap drones a hobbyist with a 3d printer for less then a million dollars.

This is guerilla warfare taken past to the singularity horizon. So long as a poor country has some level of resource to sell and the highest super power has to juggle so many plates to maintain the highest standards of living the weaker country is going to out sustain the other.

The worst case right now is China bulldozer over usa blockade for "humanitarian" reasons. gets gun down and rallying the entire globe to fight usa like its nazi German all over again. It's not like don was threatening nato allies left right and center. That's the risk right now

Circling back to iran. What's the reward fighting iran?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I like trump and all, but daaayyyuummm hahaha I'm interested to see how he plays this one off.

He had good reasons to go in, he even had pretty decent support for it. But he's fucking up the landing it would seem. And Iran was pretty clever for threatening the data center. All the violence stopped for a few days 😂

I dunno, I feel bad for the people there. Now the CIA is jumping on people's podcasts and trying to convince everyone that the locals in Iran LIKE being oppressed and the protesters were actually Jewish Iranians.

Someone needs to learn gullible and stupid aren't the same thing 😖

[RavVid]

I think your take is very accurate.

I agree with what you say but I would add to it. Russia, China and Iran are still in the age of Empires when the goal was to increase the size of land you owned and controlled. The way to do that is through military force.

I read US policy as avoiding a war with China which it is working towards and part of that is knocking off China's supporting allies. Russian has knocked it self out. Venezuela is out. Cuba is on the ropes. Panama has been curbed.

Iran had to be dealt with and not allowed to dominate it's neighbors especially with nuclear weapons. It is important to China as a transport hub as well as oil.

Fortunately China is now on it's own and the trade war should have made it feel hesitant.

[MrChinaski]

Trump is now negotiating to buy a way out of this conflict buy giving Iran more than they started with. How do you square that away with your narrative?

[exitseven]

The US is giving them every chance to make a deal. Nobody really expects them to do it so they will be bombed back into the stone age which won't be pleasant

[Maddie248]

Iran can't have a nuclear weapon ok. Simple as that

[Tamera952]

So, umm… that’s just one of many notions floated as the impetus for this disaster. So before the war, Iran put forth a plan giving up uranium enrichment and future nuclear plans—& Trump said ‘No’ and started bombing them. (What do ya gotta say about that?) …
PLUS, it was OrangeTurd who originally ripped up the nuclear deal in 2017, that Obama negotiated, which was serving its purpose, and all experts said Iran was following to the letter—so don’t forget that.
AND, … He sends his cronies, his corrupt real estate buddy, son-in-law, and Weird-Beard JD Vance to ‘negotiate’ a nuclear deal, and Iran humiliates the US by over stating the obvious, which is, they can’t talk about a nuclear deal with 3 bozos—he didn’t send any nuclear specialists/scientists.
Yea, so I don’t think it’s about nuclear weapons, dumb dumb.

[NathanDavis]

all bark... no real bite

Trump already did that

[Anonymous]

Trump made a mistake bombing Iran. He should have let some other country deal with it.

[Honeyateleven]

Didn't Christianity come from sand people as well

[Dargil]

Why is that important to you?

[strateguy632]

Of course not. We believed true religion came from god.

[strateguy632]

If i were iran i would sell oil to Russia.

[Anonymous]

Better than the last few weeks.

[In_Trance]

Yea ok