I'm in agreement with you totally, they may well train as hard but the market should dictate what they are worth
People who work in sales get paid based on results, not effort, and that's how it should be. Same principle applies in sports, which are essentially about sales, after all.Anyone who argues otherwise is living in a fantasy world.
Yeah but the point I was making is women tennis players believe they should get equal pay because they train as hard, there isn't the same demand for women's tennis and they know this its not even close so that's the argument they make. So therefore on that basis shouldn't someone make the same argument for the wheelchair players?
I was agreeing with the notion that the fans don’t support women’s sports as much as men—therefore since there isn’t as much fan support, there isn’t as much sponsors to pay or prize money or salaries. So we are in agreement there - I even said it has nothign to do with training and effort.I’m not sure if men’s tennis draws higher ratings than women’s i would need to check that, but other sports it’s clearly a divide. For example, he US Women’s soccer team only draws higher ratings than the men during the World Cup (every four years), then they sink to low numbers the other three and the men’s team has ratings nearly double theirs. A case can’t realky be made for them when they peak every four years.
We are in agreement, I believe it should be free-market, people get paid based on the demand. Rhonda Rousey was one of the highest paid athletes in UFC a few years back, nothing to do with "equality", just she created a lot of attention and many people paid to see her fight. Fair to say you don't then agree with Serena Williams saying women should be paid the same because they train as hard then?
Saying you should be paid as much since you train just as hard is silly in my opinion. Now I’m Serena’s case I’m not sure if the men are more popular or the women’s tour , so her argument may be valid but the point she made is not.In a perfect society we would all be paid equally for doing the same job. Unfortunately we are far from perfect.
Because the viewership and demand for men's tennis is significantly higher. The reason women get paid the same for less sets is because tv does not demand 5-set women's matches in the scheduling. So therefore, based on your "harsh reality", women shouldn't get paid the same as men
Serena Williams however believes they should because they train just as hard as men which is a fair comment. However, on that basis, wheelchair players should get the same. That's the question I was posing
It doesn’t matter. The demand for women’s tennis is at the same level with the demand for men’s tennis. Also, just look at television in general. The olympics is broadcast on national television throughout the world. You would have to actively search for a provider to broadcast the Paralympic Games. The demand to see people with disabilities play just isn’t there.
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That's why transgender women absolutely trash girls in wrestling and UFC. It's gross.
So Serena Williams' argument that women should be paid the same based on the fact they train as hard you think isn't valid?
No, I don’t think it is. How are we going to pay people with money that isn’t there? If you bring in less money, you get paid less. (But still a fair amount!) Look at this link: www.socceramerica.com/.../...-men-vs-us-women.htmlI DO think, however, that they deserve more money than they are getting right now. Simply because I highly doubt that what they’re getting is the most they can get.
Of course not Serena couldn't even make the men's top 300.Women's Olympic soccer teams have been blown out by teams of high school boys.When it comes to physical prowess men are on a completely different level.
@Caaarl lol, tell that to the men making schwalbes because someone simply TOUCHED them. Don’t underestimate a woman.
@bente2 what are you even talking about?A top 500 men's player blew out Serena while drunk and going easy. It's not an under-estimation.
Where does the money come from? Less people watch wheelchair tennis. So there is less money to be made. Does the government step in and take money from the most watched tennis league, and give it to the wheelchair tennis league?
Obviously if they would get equality the men and women would have to give up a share like the men did a few years back to get equality with the women
equality doesn't work like that. equality means that if you're capable of doing the same work, you should not get payed less because you have boobs and a vagina. if you can't do equal work, you won't get equal money. that's just how economy works. money isn't payed for sympathy or pity. money is payed for work.so if "wheelchair" tennis can generate the same profit, as men and womens grand slams, then yeah of course they should be payed the same but i hardly believe that they do make the same profits.
They don't but womens tennis viewership is significantly below men's and yet they argue they should get the same pay. If there logic is used, wheelchair players should get the same too
oh ok well their argument is bullshit. on the freaking market you don't get to decide how much you're gonna be payed. the customer decides if he wants to pay the price or not, not you.