The effects of smartphones and the sexual liberation movement

[Robertcw]

Lot of trends.

Okay, 2020 is probably going to dramatize this trend with Covid19 going on. But just 2008 - 2019 produces enough of a graph to infer the trend of how the smartphone has affected our real lives.

Sometimes I think the iPhone was a mistake, honestly. But since its introduction in 2006, the market for mobile apps was born (and all the graphs start changing exactly in 2006). Inevitably, Tinder was created in 2012 back when I was 18.

I didn't know about until maybe 2013 or 2014.

That said, the trend in behavior of US citizens at least is clear.

It seems that throughout history about 20% of the population went without sex for at least one year's time. Some percent of that 20% goes any number of consecutive years in the same situation. 80% of the population was sexually active at least once a month. And only 50% of the population was sexually active at least once a week.

Seems pretty clear to me that the 50% was people in relationships. Which is about right I'd guess. About half of people I can recall were in relationships when I was in high school, and half were not. I'd expect the trend to basically continue that way out in the real world.

The 30% were probably single people who were attractive enough to be sexually active despite single status.

And the 20% are the sad and depressed people who aren't.

Okay. But the trend on the graph has the 50% literally converging together with the 30% which suggests to me that the number of people in relationships is dropping. And I think that's probably the effect the smartphone has had on our lives.

We've become more culturally accepting of casual sex, so the number of people engaging in it has probably risen from 30% of the population to 40% of the population. And the number of people on relationships has probably dropped from 50% to 40%. Which I'd actually find believe-able; the same number of single people engaging in casual sex as there are people in relationships.

But sadly, there's been no improvement for the bottom 20% of society. It seems that 'sexual liberation' simply breaks up about 10% of relationships but it doesn't actually increase the number of sexually active people. And actually, the number of non sexually active people has risen a few percentage points, of which it has been known that these bottom 20-24%'ers are mostly males in their 20's. And we all know the story, incels and the infamous string serial killings committed by men under 30 in the 2010's, etc.

So that seems to be the effect of smartphones and the resulting sexual liberation movement, which grew out of increased interconnectedness, on our population in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

People think that access to dating apps increases sex for everyone but in fact it just creates a larger "sex gap".

If you had a choice of a car out of 100s on a lot you'd pick the most luxurious one or the best one you can get. You wouldn't want an old beat up Chevy Cavalier.

It has given people, and more specifically women, more options. Women are more hypergamous than men and this has resulted in women being more choosy. It's in their biology.

This has resulted in more men being weeded out of the dating market. On an okcupid website there was a study done where white men and white women were overwhelmingly favored, almost by a 10:1 ratio against blacks, Asians, etc.

The white guys who usually can't get the upper tier white women usually settle for Asian women. You'll never see a really attractive white guy with an Asian women. It's usually the nerdy, beta white guys that go for Asian women. I know this sounds like I'm being insulting, but walk around the street and look at every Asian Female/White Male couple... it is usually non attractive Asian girls paired with non attractive white guys.

Black guys and Asian guys have hard too. Contrary to what the media might show on TV, the proportion of white women who prefer black men hasn't changed all that much since the 90s. There will be some black guys that get lucky with a white girl, but these are usually reserved for guys with a lot of money.

Asian guys are shorter, skinnier, smaller, and nerdier than the other races. When I say Asian I refer to East Asian and South east Asian, but middle eastern guys are basically in the same boat. But the most damning part is that amongst all races Asian women prefer NOT to date guys their own race. Far more than any other race.

Usually when women date, they want white guys by an overwhelming fashion. If you create two men who had the same height, same income, physical attributes, etc. but one was black and one was white the white guy would overwhelmingly get most of the women. There was a study done in Brazil about sperm donation and the women overwhelmingly preferred sperm who had genes for blue eyes and very rarely will any other ethnicity provide that.

This is not to say it's impossible for ethnic guys to get a girl. Latino men get more matches amongst women, mostly because of their physical similarities to white men but they still lag far behind white men.

What I've noticed is that the "wokest" women who hate white people all have white boyfriends that are clearly not the best looking guys. You look at Sarah Jeong's boyfriend and Serena Williams' boyfriend and they are not of high genetic quality.

But I do want to say, choose whomever you want. Just make sure you know what you are getting into.

[sagevalentineee]

What you've said is interesting, though it's harsh it sounds pretty true. Can I ask you where I (or my general category) falls? I'm half English, half Chinese, I'm slim and toned. And yes, I've only dated white men. Typically quite athletic types. I've not found that to be a conscious decision though.

[Opinion Owner]

@sagevalentineee I'm not sure what you're asking but let's face it, Asian guys are not on the hierarchy of dating. The statistics overwhelmingly prove this. Whether it's conscious or unconscious, there is nothing wrong with your decision.

I always get flack for this, but women can't fight their programming. They're designed to be hypergamous. For the vast majority of men and women, white people are the preference. If you look at Africa a lot of the beauty ads favor biracial women, as well as in Asia. When I say biracial I basically mean mixed with white.

In Africa and the Middle East you are considered more attractive the lighter you are and the more your features look caucasian (nose, eye color, skin). In Asia the top two plastic surgeries are eyelid surgeries and rhinoplasties. Skin bleaching creams and pills are multi billion dollar businesses in Africa and the middle east.

Usually biracial women mixed with white will usually end up with a white partner. I'm not hating it, I am white after all, but this is what I noticed. At first I thought "race doesn't matter" when it comes to dating, but it overwhelmingly matters. However, people should be free to choose whom they want... all is fair in love and war.

[sagevalentineee]

I agree, that's very true. You're really making me think about race now, that's super interesting. I remember once a chinese girl told me I was lucky I looked quite white and was very pale. But yes very true.

[sagevalentineee]

Oh although I have to say there are exceptions. I would Asian men in general are not really up there on the sexual market, because they are perhaps a little more feminine looking. They have softer hair and skin, a little gentler looking. However I don't feel comfortable without mentioning : Chen Kun is my King! He's an actor and was my mother's teenage heartthrob when she was living in China. And uhhh he is definitely the exception, very good looking and very youthful for 44. I think he looks 26.

[sagevalentineee]

www.google.com/search Sorry for fangirling... I just don't know what fountain of youth he's found... looks so young.

[Mossberg500]

Lol I saw a chart about "The Sexual Liberation movement" it had 5 symbols vertically for men and 5 for women lined up parallel. All 5 women were having sex, but all the "lines" were connected to the top 2 (groups) out of 5 men. Thus 3 whole groups of men weren't having any or much sex. And from my experience I can believe it. I go for years without in between relationships sometimes.

But my conclusion from this is, it has little to do with smart phones. Has all the reason to believe all women have been trained to be shallow-minded, and now that.. "They don't need no man..(or children)" this was the logical conclusion of what would happen.

This is why a "Matriarchy" is and would be even worse the "Patriarchy." Anyway that is my take on all of it.

"Smart" Phones make people dumber they don't make them want less sex. It's people who abuse Smart phones, and the programs (apps) companies make like Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok etc etc. Hell there's even apps for casual sex now which is gross to me me, but only the top 2 groups of guys are getting responses. So I suppose in a way Smart Phones do have something to do with it, but in general evil companies and technology promote it, and lustful humans (except for those 2 groups of men) are sleeping around more, getting married less.

Does this study take into account simple marriages as a whole? Or does it consider the fact that less people (mostly men) don't get to have sex very often?

[David_Kek]

It's the same for all other species, so why would humans be any different?

[Mossberg500]

@David_Kek They were different, for a long long time. It's this thing called "rational thought." Or more simply since you're clearly a simp beta, "ability to to think." Unfortunately women have been socially programmed.. and men (like yourself) let it happen.

I just posted this video to some leftist "love guru" ho.. but since there are so many leftards on this site I guess I'll post it back to back. Not that I expect you'll give it a look, by your virtue-signal white knighting it is clear you subscribe to the "ignorance is bliss" mantra, as you jerk off on jewpornhub.

[Mossberg500]

@David_Kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig2SgfVLigQ

[David_Kek]

There is not a single species on the planet in which females do not overwhelmingly mate with the most genetically healthy males above all. All the other monogamous species have been proven to still be adulterous, with a paternity fraud rate of about 30-40%.
That equally applies to humans.
Even in the most strictest orders such as Islam in which historically an adulterous wife would be beheaded or stoned to death, even if she claimed to have been raped, that deterrent still didn't reduce the level of adultery by much at all.
To say "it's not always been like this", is not quite true. Yes it's changed a little, but not to the degree you think, and that change definitely isn't down to education, but rather basic economics. In short, women don't depend on men nearly as much as they used to, and that trend is only going to continue the more and more we mechanize as a society.

[Mossberg500]

@David_Kek Should do your research first instead of (continuing) to make a fool of yourself. observer.com/.../

One article with fact based info debunks both of your claims at the same time! And I can vouch for it too, I am quite healthy, not bad looking, and choose to not sleep with modernized whores.

It had become such a rarity to find a woman who interests me, I stopped looking. That is in fact, what you're seeing happen.

But I digress, if 72% of Americans were married in the 60s. That means average and even below average looking men we finding mates. The real reason for the sharp decline is neo-feminism and women's liberation (code for slut pandering/which was once shaming) because shame is what they should feel, but in such an immoral artificial society, sluts are emboldened, and even embraced.

So are we talking single rates or are we talking infidelity rates, because the degradation of the West as put a dramatic spike in both. You lose on both accounts, good day junior.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

This has good points, but whoever made it often way too focused on biases and contradicts himself a lot. Like on hand he seems to like nationalism, yet dislikes China. WTF do you think China promotes? You think they give a damn about other nations? Seriously, fix that shit, the whole "oh no the race is dying" bs, and especially the "women should be housewife" stuff and yah, he makes some decent points. Hell, I don't know, DOES HE want them to be housewifes because then later I can swear he stated some can go beyond it so I don't know dude this youtuber is OK but there's others, maybe like Elliot Hulse that give better advice.

[Fairyluna]

Yeah I might be biased but I think people are happier and have more sex when they meet someone for the first time in real life, not on a mobile app. I don't know I love technology but sometimes I feel like it only makes people more distant and distrustful.

[Anonymous]

Boohoo...

[Robertcw]

Check your privilege honestly. It's time to start acknowledging sexual privilege, especially with onlyfans.

[Opinion Owner]

Do you acknowledge your privileges as a man?

[Yaaten]

What priviledges as a man? There aren't any.

[Opinion Owner]

@Yaaten You're of bad faith.

[Yaaten]

Well list one then. Men, on average, die sooner than women, are more likely to commit suicide, are far more likely to die at work, be the victim of an unprovoked attack, are less likely to complete both high school and university, and are twice as likely to be homeless.

[Opinion Owner]

@Yaaten I was the only woman who bothered answering lol.

[Robertcw]

It took me 1 year to understand this answer. But now I do. Sorry for what I said one year ago. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[chris0977]

If you watch the original iPhone, also there are books about its development, Steve Jobs was strict about wanting only Apple to build apps for an ultimate productivity device (maps, calendar, contacts, music, a little social media/entertainment) - something they themselves, as business people wanted - he wanted it totally closed, even denying his own executive team on the issue.

Google copied iPhone with Android, Jobs, ultimately forced to open the App Store & to developers to compete, iPhone didn't do this, far more Google, who knew, like Chrome, and all other Google Services, Android could be a data tracking goldmine, without which iPhone would've likely stayed primarily a productivity device.

Also, few realize what smartphones do to their brains, even those who got them older, but simply take the effects, like taking a medication w/o any idea what its effects are, because it feels good, like Soma in Brave New World.

[Robertcw]

Interesting! Good points for sure. If iPhone was just that, these problems wouldn't have arisen.

[OlderAndWiser]

This is a good start on discussing this phenomenon but I'd like a bit more depth. I have my hypothesis, formed from the perspective of a 66 year old guy who is actively involved with young (college age) people on a regular basis. But I also recognize the potential for a huge bias in my observations.

What is it about having a smartphone that makes people less likely to enter a long term relationship? Do you correlate the casual sex with the monthly sex segment on the graph?

More importantly, is this trend a healthy trend for our society? Perhaps the people not entering relationships are the ones who previously would have been in a relationship, gotten married, and then divorced a year later. The divorce rate has declined since at least the 1980's, so perhaps this trend has a positive aspect.

[Robertcw]

I think it is very unhealthy. Smartphones widen the dating pool so that the hottest guys can claim a larger radius of single women. It maximizes hypergamy.

Why go with the average guy in town when they're a hottie 45 miles a way in the near city.

Phones put that guy in everyone's pocket. Women love phones because phones allow them to ignore their neighbors for greener pastures farther away. Same for men, they just way less power because women collectively ignore men online in ways men do not ignore women online. Because men irl are always horny and probably sex starved because the minority hotties get all the women close hy to these guys. So they go online to find what they lack IRL without realizing that the local women beat them to the punch, making it even worse making money for the app and websites furthering the issue.

Proximity is shown in social psychology as the greatest predictor of sexual relations. Phones expand proximity to extreme lengths such that regular dating is now more like the olympics. Instead of local competition, your competition is larger and better.

This has pushed women to delay having children, and this in turn has caused immaturity to grow and expand and the lifestyle of teenagers and early 20's people now stretches into the late 20's and early 30's driven hy women delaying child birth.

This causes an expansion of ghetto culture, edgy toxic-masculinity, hip-hop, drugs, cars, tattoos, steroids etc in an attempt to compete with larger pools of men for women looking only for casual sex longer and older than before.

[Robertcw]

This results in people visibly against, grey hair, sagging skin, wrinkles etc. before 'settling down' somewhat ruining the appeal of marriage. As a result we have the lowest ever birth rate in history now below replacement levels and the largest number of sexless men under 30 ever in history. All because of the iPhone and the PC in my opinion. If we all had to live like regular people, then people would be mode mature and open and natural in their behavior. Instead, technology has enabled and empowered immaturity.

[Robertcw]

visibly aging* not against

[OlderAndWiser]

I think there is another factor at work. Kids learn to use their cell phone for everything but, for some reason, youth culture teaches them to text rather than having voice-to-voice calls. They all spend their young lives enmeshed in video games instead of being with their friends. The result is a generation of people who are less comfortable socially and many of whom are rather awkward. The can't dare admit their feelings so , instead of asking a girl for a "date," they ask her if she wants to "hang out." And, of course, they don't ask her in a conversation but they do so in a text message. The still won't admit feelings so they tell friends they are "hanging out." They judge how well the relationship is going by how quickly their partner responds to a text. If they are angry, they break up by a text message. If real feelings develop, they say they "caught feelings," which sounds like something that happened to them, rather than simply saying that they love their partner. Because they do everything by text, they have more frequent misunderstandings. If they break up, they do so with a text message. They won't admit to being serious about each other until it "becomes official," which happens when they are on the way to the hospital for the birth of their second child. The guy doesn't want to get married because he "heard something" about divorce statistics from 30 years ago. They finally break up and both walk away wondering why they never felt truly emotionally connected.

[Robertcw]

Well marriage is risky for anyone. Honestly I understand that. What I don't understand is the aversions to authenticity and the value being placed on youth.

People go to extremes to try and look young forever -- me included. But despite all the efforts we still age.

Social media compares ourselves to primarily only young people in their primes. That's the real issue here.

Take a 29 y/o who is going grey and losing collagen. In the past they'd just say they were 30 and move on and do things 30 somethings would do and leave the past behind. Today, the same person will have a smartphone and will go on instagram and see a hot 20/year old doing something on their bucket list and then look in the mirror and compare themselves to the 20y/o and begin to feel inadequate, regret, anxiety and jealousy and that's how it begins.

Same for tinder. Tinder is designed for rich kids, primarily. Peoole who got perfect nutrition and low stress as children grow into beautiful 20 year olds who also happen to have nice cars and bi annual vacations, a good education and workplace connections. All things that correlate with attractive online dating profiles. By contrast, poor kids have none of those things and then they look in the mirror and compare themselves to the people they see online and begin to feel inadequate, regret, anxiety and jealousy. Etc.

Thus hypergamy goes off unlimited and there begins to exist mass widespread mental illness and feelings of anger, inadequacy and regret. Just capitalism as usual for the golden rich conservative kids.

[Soteris]

Correlation does not equal causation. Its far more likely that there are other factors at play here and I am suspecting its down to economics and society itself. Mainly that people are poorer than before which means they have less time for casual pursuits like dating and socializing and they need to dedicate more time towards making ends meet and working.

This combined with the decrease in optimism and mental health means that people do not have time, money or are in the mood for establishing new sexual relationships. The widespread availability of porn has also replaced some of the need too.

[bamesjond0069]

Patriarchy is male empowerment which leads to one man for one woman. Matriarchy leads to harems where one man has many women and many men have no women. This is women's desire. There is no situation in which women are in control because women as a whole only seek to mate with men who are more capable then them as well as men are biologically more capable in dealing with the world.

Personally I can have 2 cute girls as girlfriends at the same time as a small harem much easier than I can find one good girl to go on one date with. That is just sad about the status of women as a whole.

[genericname85]

i think it's problematic to correlate those trens with smartphones and sexual liberation. we're having a slow but constant recession caused by inflation going faster than the rising of salaries. that causes people stress and problems, which reduces their overall desire or opportunity for sex and causes psychological issues like depression.

[startingfitness]

For sure. Sexual liberation didn't really do the average man any favours. It only favoured hypergamy in women and the top percentage of men who enjoy the benefits.

On the otherhand relationships were negatively affected. This will only get much worse in the future unless the collective culture changes.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

I think it's sad that it won't happen anytime soon, it might even take a mass revolution. I don't know how likely that could be made either.

[startingfitness]

@UncleJessieRabbit yeah because efforts are being made to put a bandage on the injury without treating it. They aren't trying to fix the root of the issue, since that would mean having to change a culture upon which many industries depend on.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@startingfitness What "band-aid" are you referring to?
And honestly, it makes me kind of paranoid about my own potential dating future.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

Can you PM me?

[MzAsh]

I don’t think this is a bad thing. Average isn’t good.

[startingfitness]

@UncleJessieRabbit i should have been more elaborate. Basically what i meant was that the sexual liberation has caused a lot of issues. And people seem to be only concerned with those issues and how to treat them, but not the root cause of the problem. Which is unrestricted sexual promiscuity itself.

Thats what i meant by saying "to put on a bandaid". When std incresse, they find measures of prevention (condoms) or measures of treatment drugs. And then there is abortion which allows people to disregard the main consequence of sex and be even more promiscuous.
Due to this we have reached unnatural levels of promiscuity.
But really most of these issues are only prevalent because of promiscuity. And people dont want to go against it and if they do they are silenced by feminists and other factions that the sexual liberation has become associated with.

Its a mess. Its like we have a disease but no one is battling the disease. Only the symptooms. Yeah we can talk about it more in the pms if you'd like

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh it is a bad thing. Average men are the backbone of any nation, any civilization. Without them , you would have nothing and you would be nothing. And they want sex just as much as the top guys. They want women just as much as the top guys.

As long as the average guys are satisfied there won't really be much problems. But if enough men get frustrated the problems will start to show. It has already started. Groups like mgtow and the existence of incels are proof of the problem.

[MzAsh]

Well if average is your goal as a man, I’m not mad at you (because that’s still better than many other people.) But just don’t expect anything better than an equally average woman.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh well i dont think anyone aims to be average. Most people aim to become the best or the best they can be. But unfortunately most people do end up average thats how averages work. Hopefully ill end up somewhere on the upper end than the lower.

Most men would be happy with a woman on the same level, but women are always aiming at higher tier men which is why many men today are unsatisfied.

[MzAsh]

The solution to those men being unsatisfied isn’t to ask women to lower their standards. It’s for average men to raise their value.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh it doesn't work that way. When enough men increase their standards , that simply becomes the new average. And women dont want average, women want above average.

For example if a man who had a value 4 couldnt get a woman but a man who had value 6 could that means 4 is below average. So of he elevated himself to a 6 he could get a woman. But now all the other 4s will also become 6's seeing the sucess of the first guy and not wanting to be left behind. And the previous 6 man will become an 8. So now, 6 becomes the new 4 and women want more. This is the problem with female hypergamy.
Back in the day a man just needed a job , comb his hair and have a few pairs of good clothes. Barely any dude even worked out. Look at men today, do you think that would cut it for a man nowadays?

It will never end average men can never win as long as the average keeps rising. Women need to appreciate average men more and lower their standards. Thats the only way it can work.

[MzAsh]

A woman who doesn’t have to lower her standards simply will not. Unless she wants make a charity case out if him. And why should she? So average dudes can feel better? Would you really feel better if a woman had to lower herself to be with you?

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh you dont see the bigger picture. The average man being happy and satisfied is extremely important to the society that he works for, that he relies on.

Women have to lower their standards because your standards are unreasonable anyway. Women falsely believe that they are worth more than they actually are. This is why so many women are single and unsatisfied. The guys that women want dont want those women save for a ons anyway.

If i had no other options i wouldn't really feel bad . Dudes who dont have options dont really care. Its not a luxury all men can afford. Why do you think so many dudes nowadays date or even marry sloots, camgirls and women like that? Dudes are acting more simpish than ever before because they dont have much choice.

[MzAsh]

No if anything women are worth more than they realize. Look, this is going to have to be something we disagree on. Women will seek the best man they can get, and they should. Emmy recommendation to men is to either becoming among those better men or get out of the way.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh lol thats so anti-male. Women are worth more than they realize?
But still average men dont deserve women? Even though its average men who built houses, roads, and pretty much uphold the infrastructure of entire nations? Average men are the reason you have electricity, access to water and most of the other benefits that you enjoy. Those guys want something in return for the work put in too.

Every man deserves a woman. Average or great. Women seeking the best man is something left behind in the wild, it has no place in civilized society. Civilized society is an agreement between men that everyone gets a fair share, and that includes women. I think you have the imagination to understand what happens when a big group of men do not get aceess to women anymore.

[MzAsh]

If you want a woman, you gotta put in the work to attract one. You aren’t entitled. I can’t make it any simpler for you.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@startingfitness Exactly, it is like how the middle class is now becoming frustrated and less satisfied because of wealth gaps and less employment opportunities.

[MzAsh]

Middle class also needs to work harder. Most are lazy. I decided to work harder, and while I’m not rich yet by any means, I have certainly benefited from my efforts.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh men are already putting in work to attract women. More than previous generations of men. And with less success. How do you explain that?

Its not our problem. Its extreme female hypergamy. Because you have the choice really. Once the choice is restricted back to natural levels you will be happy with average men.

[startingfitness]

@UncleJessieRabbit yeah the elite will try to suppress the middle class as much as possible until it snaps and then they give in a bit and they slowly start suppressing again, that seems to be how they do it. And it will go on like that unless there is another overthrow.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh maybe a century or so back , i would say male female relations were at the best ( in the west). Nowadays women have too much sexual choice and freedom. Eventually the pendulum will swing back and i hope you realize that the farther you go , the farther it will swing back. We might just end up going back full circle to where women dont have mate -selection choices anymore.

[MzAsh]

Well you can’t just tell women to lower their standards in order to make average Joe happy. They simply don’t want to.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh it won't matter when she can't say no to him anymore.

[MzAsh]

That’s called rape and it’s highly illegal.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh for now it is. A lot of things women are legally allowed to do used to be illegal too. We dont know what will happen in the future if it keeps getting worse for men.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

@startingfitness I think a lot of this goes back to everything being about "me" and no longer wanting to self-restrict even if it's for the mutual benefit of them and other groups. Now it seems we collectively focus more on what we want above others at the expense of other individuals or groups.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

When was there a period in history when women didn't have any mate choices at all?

[MzAsh]

It’s only worse for men who allow it to be.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

It only tells me you only accept PMs from followings only.

[startingfitness]

@UncleJessieRabbit that is definitely true. People have become very individualistic and dont care for others. Wonen , who are supposedly the more empathetic gender, dont have any empathy for men at all.

And until some centuries ago marriages were fixed between families. Marriage out of love is a very recent thing. I think it started in the romantic era in Europe. Not sure about other places.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh wow. Im one of the guys who doesn't "allow it to be" and see how you are arguing against me? Lol how can you not see the hypocrisy?

[MzAsh]

I mean, they don’t complain and and they do the work until they get what they want.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh thats not how the real world works. You won't get anything without speaking up. Else you can just shutup and work forever. You still won't get anything.

[MzAsh]

Well good luck

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh i dont think you really understand female hypergamy and how badly it has affected society. Ill look for a good video and give you the link. Maybe then you will understand why working harder/getting better is not a solution.

[MzAsh]

It was the way I married my husband.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh yeah right. Let me guess, you approached him? He never spoke a word?

[MzAsh]

No. He was attractive knew how to act right. And he pursued me.

[startingfitness]

@MzAsh he pursued your, without speaking anything?
Lol, anyway Would you pay to have a online girlfriend? ↗

Here is a link. Its not a hypergamy video but this also shows how there is clearly a problem.

[MzAsh]

Good luck

[Robertcw]

@MzAsh That's not how physical reality works. You can't have everyone be above average unless you allow your average to be fixed in time such that it doesn't change going forward.

If you set an objective normative minimum standard, then it is possible for 100% to rise above that standard. If that is what you mean then fine.

That is not the same as an average. And average always depends on the population and it changes as they change and it never ends. If you mean average and not a normative minimum standard then that's genocide and I'm not about it.

[normalice]

My guess is the effect smart phones has made is it has resulted in fewer guys going out to "get some." Instead they stay home with dating apps to try to play their luck, and the success rate for that is drastically lower than in person flirting.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

Nice take, even though I question the focus on smartphones as the cause, though it did help accelerate the trend already happening.

Is that also suggesting that there are not really as big an increase in amount of "incels" as we may think as it may be something else like those outside of that 20-25% refusing more to have sex or relationships with them or them just being more visible because of the internet.

[Unit1]

"And the 20% are the sad and depressed people who aren't.

that these bottom 20-24%'ers are mostly males in their 20's."

[UncleJessieRabbit]

That's an edgy Gif.

[errorgoodnameunfound]

Absolutely right. In other news, my water bottle is half full, so is my coffee cup, therefore, Lord Zeno controls the world's penguins.

[sensible27]

I am not sure what you're trying to mean and correlation might not be causation?

[DavidHart]

i had previous girlfriend in year 2016.
No more since then.
i don't do casual hookup.
My life is depressed and sad obviously..

[OddBeMe]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc: Just because a trend comes after or coincides doesn’t mean it’s the cause. But internet and social media could have effect as well.

[007kingifrit]

i saw an article last year that millenials are having less sex than their grandparents, and i dont mean grandparents at the same age i mean their grandparents NOW

[Steve37]

There's a correlation but I think it's one hell of a stretch to say the decline is caused by smartphone usage.

[chris0977]

Read articles that track smartphone usage to other factors in many cognitive tests, such as focus, memory, motor skills, many direct connections are found, where as smartphone usage goes up, many traits, ironically the same found often to increase when advanced monks & meditators are studied, decline... few smartphones are filled with educational apps... they're used like junk food.

[Jerre]

That is just like the statistics that show Biden leading Trump all the time. Lots of errors.

[COMMODOREII]

Eh i don't believe the statistics.

[Anonymous]

Welcome to the Decline of the West

[msc545]

Excellent Mytake - thanks!!!

[Evil_Chuck]

Correlation does not imply causation.