Just another Youtube vlogger that is full of shit and loves self-deluding herself. Thankfully most people don't take YT seriously much anyway since 99% of it is total ridiculousness. Fat is gross and unattractive (I wouldn't fuck her until she lost 50-100 lbs, but I'm sure someone with lower standards than me would) no matter how much people want to stick their head in the sand and pretend otherwise just because they can't or won't lose weight for whatever reason. A shame too. She'd have the face of a princess if it was less round and not under an inch of fat. If I were a Disney decision-maker I'd simply laugh at the suggestion of her being a hired princess. Maybe some singing fat lady at their Dumbo/circus exhibit.
If you want to see the real problem do a search for old black and white photos from pre-WWII era. With very few exceptions everyone is slender. Look at old pics of large cities and you will see no fast food joints. No junk foods. People did not bomb their bodies with an unhealthy amount of carbs, calories and grease.
Slender is more attractive. I gained a lot of weight when I quit smoking. When the nicotine battle finally calmed down I then chose to get rid of all the fat I gained while battling nicotine cravings. lost 103 and have kept most of it off for going on 11 years. Women tell me how much better I look now.
Lets face it. Nobody wants to date a puss gut if they could have a more slender partner.
We need to keep slender people in the spotlight so those who are overweight can see how their poor eating habits are reducing their options in life.
Yes, I think having a plus size Princess would be great! The new Disney Princess, Moana, is pretty curvy, and I love her to death! I think it would be nice to have a lot of different kinds of Disney Princesses, not just when it comes to body type.
A physically disabled Disney Princess, and a Lesbian/Bisexual Disney Princess would also be nice to have. Representation in within any form of entertainment is important. I also would love to have Disney Princes with the same diversity stated above.
I would be getting pissed off if they were trying to cast a large girl in the role of one of the former princesses, simply because it didn't fit the image I know and love. However, I don't see anything wrong with a plus sized princess. They made a black princess, and a Hawaiian princess to allow more diversity in Disney. I grew up pudgy, and I remember playing princess dress up with some friends. I always had to be the sultan from Aladdin or Ursula from The Little Mermaid, because "None of the princesses are fat!" It seems silly now, but it really upset me as a kid. It will be nice to see the diversity continue to grow in Disney movies. Let all kids feel special. They should even make a movie focused around a prince, kind of like they did with Aladdin.
Yes. Just because you didn't grow up to be self conscious doesn't mean others haven't. Both guys and girls grow up seeing the versions of their genders they are taught they should be, skinny being one of them, but only a small part of the problem. These movies teach kids what they feel like society wants them to look like and act and this something that affects them more than most understand. With that said, I do admit that it affects each child to varying degrees. To one child, it may only affect their mindset a bit, but it might affect another so much more.
I wouldn't just limit it to the princesses though. Changes do need to made in things to help girls, but boys are pressured into being a certain way as well that Disney moveis and others present to be the only acceptable way for them to be.
I am obese and I don't care. I still love disney princess because of the stories not their size. But if they wanted to make a plus size princess, as long as the story is good and they're making it because of a good story then so be it. If they're making it because of the PC world then that's not a good reason.
But not ever including a fat character at all when they've started making princesses of colour is also bad. So why not have a sister/good character who's overweight and gets their happy ending on the side. It's not about saying obese is good, it's about saying you can be happy with who you are though, and that while you may not be healthy you don't have to be ashamed in who you are and your life.
Yes of course, let's encourage obesity in young children. I would like to see more princess that have a healthy, in proportion figure and face. Lilo and Stitch is the cartoon that immediately comes to mind in terms of lead characters having more realistic body shapes and not being shamed for it. Influential roles should not have ridiculously tiny waists and completely out of proportion figures but they also shouldn't be promoting an unhealthy lifestyle either which is what I believe plus sizes will promote.
Anything above a size 10 is considered plus size. Top give you a comparison, Maralyn Monroe, was a size 14. That's a plus size. Plus size, does not mean obese. Obese is me, a 22. A princess can be gorgeous, and a size 12 for goodness sake. Plus size isn't supporting obesity, it's showing them a healthier figure. You can be an athlete, and be a size 12. My friend in high school was a size 12, that played basketball. Plus size, doesn't mean obese, it's more real that, "normal size."
@Sarahbear97 which is my I made the comparison to the 'normal' figures in Lilo & Stitch - proportionately thicker waists, real shoulder and hip sizes - and made a point to say they should have proportionately normal, healthy characters. There also needs to be a uniform definition of plus size. The kind of plus size you're talking about is in terms of models; plus size clothing starts at size 16, and the size people are asking for representation of are medically considered obese if not morbidly. No one advocating for plus size princesses are going to clap clap for a size 12-14 princess, lanky or otherwise, they are going to say hollywood 'skinny-fied' plus size. Also consider that most princesses are in their teens and for the most part are unlikely to healthily be a womens size 12+ (at average height).
No they shouldn't. They brought in other races to say "look, all races are beautiful and great." It was to recognise them more as Disney usually did white girls which is fair enough. People can't help their race. Having fat Disney princesses might make fat girls feel a "little" better, but it's sending out wrong messages, saying being unhealthily overweight is normal and fine. The more we accept fatness and tip toe around the problem not to offend people, the bigger the obesity problem will be. People now view healthy sized people as "too thin" or even "anorexic" but that's because they're all so used to seeing fat people. I never looked at thin Disney princesses and thought "omg, I must look like them, they're so thin, I want to be that thin." I 'logically' thought that these women are 'fictional cartoon characters' so there's literally no point trying to look like something that isn't real. People have some issues if they look up to fictional cartoons as body inspiration.
I can totally empathize with men/women who feel like outcasts due to their weight. However, we need to provide good, healthy examples for our children. We do not want them to be overweight, we want them to be healthy; especially in this day and age where everyone's looking at a screen of some sort. I think a good example of a Disney princess is Belle or that chick from Brave. A good example of a healthy Disney princess would be someone who isn't afraid to be who they are on the inside. I think less emphasis on outer beauty is super important - we should view Disney princesses as beautiful on the inside; exhibiting courage, strength, perseverance, and love. Outer beauty fades so children should not be taught to put so much weight into it. That being said, I would rather see an average/mousy looking girl as opposed to an overweight girl. I think the first is way more relatable than the second.
As a child, I've always been fat, due to hormones and food allergies. I couldn't lose weight, doesn't matter how hard I tried. When I watched Disney movies, I was starting to feel even more insecure, as all the Disney princesses have a slim figure with a tiny waist. It caused me to think that you needed to have a good body to get to your "true love".
There are fat characters in Disney movies, but they are often seen as goofy, dumb people. For instance, Lefou, the chef in the Little Mermaid and the dad of Jasmine. It would be nice to finally see a main character, doesn't matter if it's a princess, who is overweight and saves the day.
I don't know about for Disney though. But I thought there is already one in the world of video games as I remembered playing this game on a PS3 at my friend's place:
Being too skinny is unhealthy but so isn't having too much weight on you. a lot of people nowadays think a girl who is lean is "too skinny" but a woman that has a lot of extra weight like the one pictured are considered "healthy". I think that Disney characters are just cartoons, they aren't too thin they just are general. And with the whole way the world is about weight these days, I kinda feel like by having a Disney princess be overweight will just tell kids it's ok to overeat and not try to have healthy habits with food or exercise and then later grow to have diabetes and heart issues or ankle or knee issues or who knows what else. And by GENUINELY being too thin (not just thin- seems like people think being simply thin is unhealthy these days) is also unhealthy.
Absolutely they should! :) I'm always up for promoting diversity. It's important to reflect eveyone in the media & even in disney princess because we all come from different backgrounds, ethncities, and are all diferent shapes & sizes. I mean not eveyone one is one type of race & size, so why not reflect everyone. :) Everyone needs a role model to look up to & I don't think that by having a plus size disney princess we are going to be promoting obesity, it's not about the image, it's about the message, which is "eveyone is beautiful & u should be confident with yourself, no matter what u look like & come from".
No one wakes up or aspires to be obese, the are lots of reason why people are obese, yes poor diet & exercise habits but also thyroid problems, injuries, maybe depression & etc. And there are a lot of people who are striving to lose weight but why can't they have a role model to look up to while they are on their journey to lose wieght. :)
There's a difference between a plus size costume and Disney releasing a plus size character.
Plenty of "plus size" characters have been featured in Disney and nothing has happened. Disney is unrealistic and we all know it is. That's why it's called a cartoon.
But I also don't see why, considering Disney is unrealistic, we should only make costumes for those with the most Disney like bodies. Everyone should be able to dress up once in a while, even if it's Halloween.
I don't believe disney should create a over weight princess just to fill a political agenda... It would be stupid for a overweight disney princess to be created just because disney felt like making some sort move to get media attention.
The truth is when you do this kind of stuff to break the norm then you are expected to do even more and it never stops...
Listen, If a disney princess or any disney "main" character for that matter just so happen to be a bit overweight then whatever... but if disney were to break their norm for no particular reason other than to get some attention then that is pretty damn stupid in my opinion.
Kids for the most part don't play outside these days. Instead they play video games or what ever the kids do now. Yes I watched tv but we all went outside to play, hardly coming inside till dark then it was a fight. I'm not blaming obesity on non playing or fast food but come on. I don't remember they're being as many over weight kids when I was a kid, yes they're were a few due to genetics but I don't think Dysney should create an obese princess just because of the fat pandemic. Period. Kids need to exercise! Get out and play.
Not offending anyone, I think it's the worst thing we can do! Not fat shaming or anything anybody soo chill. But Disney having a plus size princess is telling kids " Yeah, it's ok to be fat, don't worry about it " The kids can't be OK with it! It's dangerous to Your health ! Plus who the fuck are You kidding to say being fat is ok in this crazy world? I know they could make a story with a moral like don't pick on fat people, if You're fat You're still pretty and we love You just the way You are but that is dangerous, a reaaaally thin line there. I wouldn't risk it!
I don't see the problem with them using plus sized princesses, but I don't think it's a big deal if they don't. When I was a kid, I never worried about how thin princesses were. I never worried about Barbie either. I honestly never gave it much thought until I was older and I read articles about it, but even then I don't care. I've never had body image problems from dolls or cartoons. It's usually when I compare myself to real life people. It's not even people on the media, it's people in my life.
When it comes to toys and movies, it's always adults who make a big deal out of it. Kid's really don't think much about that stuff. It's just like with dirty jokes. So many of that stuff went over my head as a kid, but I notice them now. People always make a big deal out of it, but kids aren't going to notice that.
Ask if we should have a fat Disney PRINCE and see if the girls change their votes.
If some writer has a really great idea and they conceive of their heroine as plus-sized from the beginning because it's just right for the story and it fits, then it's great. But not if the studio is doing it for reasons of political correctness, just for the sake of doing it. You could just as well ask why hasn't a Disney princess ever been elderly, disabled, lesbian, freakishly tall, from Zimbabwe, etc. Like it or not, there is an image or template that fairytale princesses and princes usually conform to. Ie. the princess is beautiful and virtuous, the prince dashing and brave. If most didn't tend to be a certain age, have certain moral values and a certain look, then the title of fairytale princess would have no meaning. There have always been full-figured characters in Disney films anyway, they just haven't been the heroic leads.
I don't really see a problem with it personally. Though if we teach our children anything it should be "be who you are" not "It's ok to be obese" the stupidly impossibly skinny Disney Princesses are just as bad but I don't think an obese one is the resolution. I think it'd be smarter to just stop pushing body image all together. Then we wouldn't have to have these debates at all. That's just me though.
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Just another Youtube vlogger that is full of shit and loves self-deluding herself. Thankfully most people don't take YT seriously much anyway since 99% of it is total ridiculousness. Fat is gross and unattractive (I wouldn't fuck her until she lost 50-100 lbs, but I'm sure someone with lower standards than me would) no matter how much people want to stick their head in the sand and pretend otherwise just because they can't or won't lose weight for whatever reason. A shame too. She'd have the face of a princess if it was less round and not under an inch of fat. If I were a Disney decision-maker I'd simply laugh at the suggestion of her being a hired princess. Maybe some singing fat lady at their Dumbo/circus exhibit.
If you want to see the real problem do a search for old black and white photos from pre-WWII era. With very few exceptions everyone is slender. Look at old pics of large cities and you will see no fast food joints. No junk foods. People did not bomb their bodies with an unhealthy amount of carbs, calories and grease.
Slender is more attractive. I gained a lot of weight when I quit smoking. When the nicotine battle finally calmed down I then chose to get rid of all the fat I gained while battling nicotine cravings. lost 103 and have kept most of it off for going on 11 years. Women tell me how much better I look now.
Lets face it. Nobody wants to date a puss gut if they could have a more slender partner.
We need to keep slender people in the spotlight so those who are overweight can see how their poor eating habits are reducing their options in life.
Yes, I think having a plus size Princess would be great!
The new Disney Princess, Moana, is pretty curvy, and I love her to death! I think it would be nice to have a lot of different kinds of Disney Princesses, not just when it comes to body type.
A physically disabled Disney Princess, and a Lesbian/Bisexual Disney Princess would also be nice to have. Representation in within any form of entertainment is important. I also would love to have Disney Princes with the same diversity stated above.
I would be getting pissed off if they were trying to cast a large girl in the role of one of the former princesses, simply because it didn't fit the image I know and love. However, I don't see anything wrong with a plus sized princess. They made a black princess, and a Hawaiian princess to allow more diversity in Disney. I grew up pudgy, and I remember playing princess dress up with some friends. I always had to be the sultan from Aladdin or Ursula from The Little Mermaid, because "None of the princesses are fat!" It seems silly now, but it really upset me as a kid. It will be nice to see the diversity continue to grow in Disney movies. Let all kids feel special. They should even make a movie focused around a prince, kind of like they did with Aladdin.
OMG yessss, you're so smart! They made a princess with an ethnicity other than white... the next logical progression is clearly obesity. Well done.
@Song4TheBroken Why not? Most Disney princesses have waists smaller than their heads, so are you mad that they promote anorexia?
Yes. Just because you didn't grow up to be self conscious doesn't mean others haven't. Both guys and girls grow up seeing the versions of their genders they are taught they should be, skinny being one of them, but only a small part of the problem. These movies teach kids what they feel like society wants them to look like and act and this something that affects them more than most understand. With that said, I do admit that it affects each child to varying degrees. To one child, it may only affect their mindset a bit, but it might affect another so much more.
I wouldn't just limit it to the princesses though. Changes do need to made in things to help girls, but boys are pressured into being a certain way as well that Disney moveis and others present to be the only acceptable way for them to be.
I am obese and I don't care.
I still love disney princess because of the stories not their size. But if they wanted to make a plus size princess, as long as the story is good and they're making it because of a good story then so be it. If they're making it because of the PC world then that's not a good reason.
But not ever including a fat character at all when they've started making princesses of colour is also bad. So why not have a sister/good character who's overweight and gets their happy ending on the side. It's not about saying obese is good, it's about saying you can be happy with who you are though, and that while you may not be healthy you don't have to be ashamed in who you are and your life.
Yes of course, let's encourage obesity in young children. I would like to see more princess that have a healthy, in proportion figure and face. Lilo and Stitch is the cartoon that immediately comes to mind in terms of lead characters having more realistic body shapes and not being shamed for it. Influential roles should not have ridiculously tiny waists and completely out of proportion figures but they also shouldn't be promoting an unhealthy lifestyle either which is what I believe plus sizes will promote.
Anything above a size 10 is considered plus size. Top give you a comparison, Maralyn Monroe, was a size 14. That's a plus size. Plus size, does not mean obese. Obese is me, a 22. A princess can be gorgeous, and a size 12 for goodness sake. Plus size isn't supporting obesity, it's showing them a healthier figure. You can be an athlete, and be a size 12. My friend in high school was a size 12, that played basketball. Plus size, doesn't mean obese, it's more real that, "normal size."
@Sarahbear97 which is my I made the comparison to the 'normal' figures in Lilo & Stitch - proportionately thicker waists, real shoulder and hip sizes - and made a point to say they should have proportionately normal, healthy characters. There also needs to be a uniform definition of plus size. The kind of plus size you're talking about is in terms of models; plus size clothing starts at size 16, and the size people are asking for representation of are medically considered obese if not morbidly. No one advocating for plus size princesses are going to clap clap for a size 12-14 princess, lanky or otherwise, they are going to say hollywood 'skinny-fied' plus size. Also consider that most princesses are in their teens and for the most part are unlikely to healthily be a womens size 12+ (at average height).
No they shouldn't.
They brought in other races to say "look, all races are beautiful and great." It was to recognise them more as Disney usually did white girls which is fair enough. People can't help their race.
Having fat Disney princesses might make fat girls feel a "little" better, but it's sending out wrong messages, saying being unhealthily overweight is normal and fine. The more we accept fatness and tip toe around the problem not to offend people, the bigger the obesity problem will be. People now view healthy sized people as "too thin" or even "anorexic" but that's because they're all so used to seeing fat people.
I never looked at thin Disney princesses and thought "omg, I must look like them, they're so thin, I want to be that thin." I 'logically' thought that these women are 'fictional cartoon characters' so there's literally no point trying to look like something that isn't real. People have some issues if they look up to fictional cartoons as body inspiration.
I can totally empathize with men/women who feel like outcasts due to their weight. However, we need to provide good, healthy examples for our children. We do not want them to be overweight, we want them to be healthy; especially in this day and age where everyone's looking at a screen of some sort. I think a good example of a Disney princess is Belle or that chick from Brave. A good example of a healthy Disney princess would be someone who isn't afraid to be who they are on the inside. I think less emphasis on outer beauty is super important - we should view Disney princesses as beautiful on the inside; exhibiting courage, strength, perseverance, and love. Outer beauty fades so children should not be taught to put so much weight into it. That being said, I would rather see an average/mousy looking girl as opposed to an overweight girl. I think the first is way more relatable than the second.
As a child, I've always been fat, due to hormones and food allergies. I couldn't lose weight, doesn't matter how hard I tried. When I watched Disney movies, I was starting to feel even more insecure, as all the Disney princesses have a slim figure with a tiny waist. It caused me to think that you needed to have a good body to get to your "true love".
There are fat characters in Disney movies, but they are often seen as goofy, dumb people. For instance, Lefou, the chef in the Little Mermaid and the dad of Jasmine. It would be nice to finally see a main character, doesn't matter if it's a princess, who is overweight and saves the day.
I don't know about for Disney though. But I thought there is already one in the world of video games as I remembered playing this game on a PS3 at my friend's place:
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Who knows they might make a movie of sorts based on those video games if they ever got popular enough and had enough demand.
Being too skinny is unhealthy but so isn't having too much weight on you. a lot of people nowadays think a girl who is lean is "too skinny" but a woman that has a lot of extra weight like the one pictured are considered "healthy". I think that Disney characters are just cartoons, they aren't too thin they just are general. And with the whole way the world is about weight these days, I kinda feel like by having a Disney princess be overweight will just tell kids it's ok to overeat and not try to have healthy habits with food or exercise and then later grow to have diabetes and heart issues or ankle or knee issues or who knows what else. And by GENUINELY being too thin (not just thin- seems like people think being simply thin is unhealthy these days) is also unhealthy.
Absolutely they should! :) I'm always up for promoting diversity. It's important to reflect eveyone in the media & even in disney princess because we all come from different backgrounds, ethncities, and are all diferent shapes & sizes. I mean not eveyone one is one type of race & size, so why not reflect everyone. :) Everyone needs a role model to look up to & I don't think that by having a plus size disney princess we are going to be promoting obesity, it's not about the image, it's about the message, which is "eveyone is beautiful & u should be confident with yourself, no matter what u look like & come from".
No one wakes up or aspires to be obese, the are lots of reason why people are obese, yes poor diet & exercise habits but also thyroid problems, injuries, maybe depression & etc. And there are a lot of people who are striving to lose weight but why can't they have a role model to look up to while they are on their journey to lose wieght. :)
There's a difference between a plus size costume and Disney releasing a plus size character.
Plenty of "plus size" characters have been featured in Disney and nothing has happened. Disney is unrealistic and we all know it is. That's why it's called a cartoon.
But I also don't see why, considering Disney is unrealistic, we should only make costumes for those with the most Disney like bodies. Everyone should be able to dress up once in a while, even if it's Halloween.
It's not like this is being proposed.
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Think we need to calm down.
personally will have no problem with that snow white
I don't believe disney should create a over weight princess just to fill a political agenda... It would be stupid for a overweight disney princess to be created just because disney felt like making some sort move to get media attention.
The truth is when you do this kind of stuff to break the norm then you are expected to do even more and it never stops...
Listen, If a disney princess or any disney "main" character for that matter just so happen to be a bit overweight then whatever... but if disney were to break their norm for no particular reason other than to get some attention then that is pretty damn stupid in my opinion.
Kids for the most part don't play outside these days. Instead they play video games or what ever the kids do now. Yes I watched tv but we all went outside to play, hardly coming inside till dark then it was a fight. I'm not blaming obesity on non playing or fast food but come on. I don't remember they're being as many over weight kids when I was a kid, yes they're were a few due to genetics but I don't think Dysney should create an obese princess just because of the fat pandemic. Period. Kids need to exercise! Get out and play.
*there *there
And no one said plus size equals obesity.
@Bloopy Didn't say it did
Not offending anyone, I think it's the worst thing we can do! Not fat shaming or anything anybody soo chill. But Disney having a plus size princess is telling kids " Yeah, it's ok to be fat, don't worry about it " The kids can't be OK with it! It's dangerous to Your health ! Plus who the fuck are You kidding to say being fat is ok in this crazy world?
I know they could make a story with a moral like don't pick on fat people, if You're fat You're still pretty and we love You just the way You are but that is dangerous, a reaaaally thin line there. I wouldn't risk it!
I don't see the problem with them using plus sized princesses, but I don't think it's a big deal if they don't. When I was a kid, I never worried about how thin princesses were. I never worried about Barbie either. I honestly never gave it much thought until I was older and I read articles about it, but even then I don't care. I've never had body image problems from dolls or cartoons. It's usually when I compare myself to real life people. It's not even people on the media, it's people in my life.
When it comes to toys and movies, it's always adults who make a big deal out of it. Kid's really don't think much about that stuff. It's just like with dirty jokes. So many of that stuff went over my head as a kid, but I notice them now. People always make a big deal out of it, but kids aren't going to notice that.
Ask if we should have a fat Disney PRINCE and see if the girls change their votes.
If some writer has a really great idea and they conceive of their heroine as plus-sized from the beginning because it's just right for the story and it fits, then it's great. But not if the studio is doing it for reasons of political correctness, just for the sake of doing it. You could just as well ask why hasn't a Disney princess ever been elderly, disabled, lesbian, freakishly tall, from Zimbabwe, etc. Like it or not, there is an image or template that fairytale princesses and princes usually conform to. Ie. the princess is beautiful and virtuous, the prince dashing and brave. If most didn't tend to be a certain age, have certain moral values and a certain look, then the title of fairytale princess would have no meaning. There have always been full-figured characters in Disney films anyway, they just haven't been the heroic leads.
I don't really see a problem with it personally. Though if we teach our children anything it should be "be who you are" not "It's ok to be obese" the stupidly impossibly skinny Disney Princesses are just as bad but I don't think an obese one is the resolution. I think it'd be smarter to just stop pushing body image all together. Then we wouldn't have to have these debates at all. That's just me though.
Definitely, I think there should be a happy medium, not going completely to the other end of the spectrum.
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