If actresses traded consensual sex for movie roles with Harvey Weinstein are they really victims or prostitutes?

[Anonymous]

Victims

Prostitutes

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If Harvey Weinstein reads an article I wrote and wants to meet me at 10:00 AM at his office to discuss turning it into a film, that is normal and I could accept. If Harvey Weinstein invites me to Atlantic City to spend the weekend in his hotel room, I would have to politely refuse. If it’s inappropriate for a man to accept the same offer you’re considering, then you can assume you are being invited for sexual purposes and you should refuse.

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63% say prositutes so...

[MarianneF]

This woman has a point (I hate to admit because of other real victims, and most of the time we do not give the Andersons, and Jamesons enough credit because of the life they have led... but in this case, makes a lot of sense)
“Don’t go into a hotel room alone. If someone answers a door in a bathrobe, leave. Things that are common sense. But I know Hollywood is very seductive and people want to be famous and sometimes you think you’re going to be safe with an adult in the room.”
Read more at www.nme.com/.../pamela-anderson-harvey-weinstein-comments-2167435

[kendall16]

A lot of these women had no problem with that at the time because it further their career's but is soon as they got where they were and the scandal happened they said and they were "victims"

[Fitness-Fanatic]

They aren't victims if the had consensual sex with him. They allowed themselves to be manipulated to get ahead in their career. So in a way, they used him too.

[Fitness-Fanatic]

Thanks for the MHO

[Fitness-Fanatic]

They**

[tartaarsaus]

I don't think that saying no to sex is consensual. If it wasn't consensual, they are obviously victims.

[Asker]

Yet they got what they wanted.

[tartaarsaus]

If they said no to sex and didn't want it, it's not consensual.

[Asker]

Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties.

[Asker]

If they said no to sex then they didn't receive a movie roll

[Bandit74]

Somewhere in the middle, but closer to prostitutes.

[ScarletAngelic]

She is not a victim if it was a choice. I also don't see prostitution as bad.

[Soteris]

This would be considered coercion in a court of law.

[Asker]

@Soteris in a sexist court maybe

[Soteris]

No, its actually so common that its even gotten its own legal "term" called Sextortion and its highly illegal.

[Asker]

@Soteris I agree but prostitution is ilegal too.
I feel bad for all those actresses who didn't get roles because they refused Weinstein.

[Soteris]

Yes prostitution is illegal too in most places in the world but that is not the charge they are brought up on in sextortion cases.

[ScarletAngelic]

@Soteris I don't agree with all laws.

[Soteris]

You really should read up on coercion and how powerful it actually is.

[ScarletAngelic]

@Soteris I do not agree with rape, but I have different opinions on what should be classified as it.

[lilaqua]

It is not really consensual since they were coerced. The movie industry is so corrupt, it's less about trading roles for sex but rather a form of blackmail.

[Asker]

"Coerced
persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats."

He simply offered fame and fortune in exchange for sex and they were able to say no at any time. At most he solicited sex from them.

[Anonymous]

Prositutes. It's the defenition of a prostitute to trade sex for money, goods or services.

[Gypsy_x]

If they offer, that can be construed as solicitation.

But they didn't. They were pressured and manipulated. They are victims of a man using his power to abuse vulnerable women.

[Asker]

Ate you saying that women are not responsible for their own choices good or bad?

[Gypsy_x]

I'm saying that people in power that coerce or pressure women into sexual behaviour are in the wrong.

[Asker]

True but self responsibility has to come into it somewhere

[Naydyonov]

They are adults are they not?

[Asker]

@Naydyonov because if they are not then they and their bodies should be regulated by the government lol

[Naydyonov]

what do you mean -- government.
you're talking about consent or?

[Anonymous]

There clearly was a quid pro quo, so it can't be described as consensual.

[Asker]

Quid pro quo ("something for something" in Latin) is a phrase used in English to mean an exchange of goods or services, in which one transfer is contingent upon the other; "a favour for a favour". Phrases with similar meanings include: "give and take", "tit for tat", and "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours".
Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties.

[zagor]

I don't think the ones who used consensual sex to get roles in his movies are the ones who are complaining...

[Asker]

The first ones to complain were the ones who's careers had hit the skids after they were past their prime attractive years

[Rissyanne]

I think some of them sold their soul to be famous.

[CeCe94]

Just because the women were payed off after being raped, doesn't make them prostitutes. It's bribery to make them not talk.

[Asker]

They had the option to say no at anytime they made the choice of fame and money in exchange for sex. That's prostitution not rape.

[CeCe94]

If you read what the women said, they tried to say no. He raped them and then said I'll give you fame and money to not say anything. It wasn't that he offered them fame and money for sex and they agreed.

[Asker]

They said that after because they were embarrassed at prosituting themselves out and as PR for their failing acting careers. It's no coincidence that all his accusers are past their prime years and he can no longer get them choice roles.

[CeCe94]

Oh were you there? Do you know? You shouldn't assume that. What if they're telling the truth and people don't take them seriously? That would be detrimental.
And they're not past their prime 😂 Jennifer Lawrence is a massive actress atm, and gwyneth paltrow is a classic. They're all minted for life regardless. That's probably why they feel safe enough to talk out about it, because he can't take it away now. They wouldn't all say it for no reason mate, think about it. If they were genuinely prostitution, why would they bring it up now?

[Asker]

Jennifer Lawrence had a very positive experience with Harvey, she was grateful to him.
Brad Pitt broke up with Gwenth Paltrow for sleeping with Weinstein for a part in Shakespeare in love. Celebrities would say or do any for PR and money, they are all jumping on the bandwagon. How about Weinstein accuser Rose McGowan who knowingly worked with a convicted peadophille and defended him?

[Asker]

Or how about all of Weinsteins accusers clapping for peadophille Roman Polanski?

[CeCe94]

Noone knows the true ins and outs for sure, I personally don't know what to believe. If it was consensual of course they weren't victims, but it sounds very much to me like rape and bribery.

[Asker]

Bribery for sure but not rape. Its certainly a discriminatory hiring practice because those that dont consent to sex dont get hired.

[CeCe94]

Nah if they were saying no, it was rape. Simple as. If they weren't saying no, and it was consensual, then yeah it's basically prostitution. But noone really knows what happened. Not even you.

[thenewgirlll]

I think movie prostitutes lol

[lotje]

Prostitutes. They had the change not to do it..

[Soteris]

This poll legitimately scares me.

[Asker]

Because people view exchanging sex for money, goods or services as prostitution?

[Soteris]

No. Because people can ignore the context and just focus on the sex part. A prostitute has a choice at the very least.

[Asker]

Yes the choice not to take the money, goods or services in exchange for sex which these women had

[Soteris]

So if I throw you into a pit in the middle of the wilderness and tell you that I could throw down a rope if you cut your own arm off with a rusty spoon. Would that be consensual according to you? I mean its not like you HAVE to do it right?

[Asker]

It would be idiotic because I need both hands to climb.
It's consensual because if I were to offer you fame, fortune and a major part in a movie to start your career and all you have to do in exchange is perform a sex act upon me.

[Soteris]

Except its not because he has the power and authority over you hence its coercion.

[Asker]

How does he have power or authority over you as you don't work for him?
"Coercion:the action or practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats."

[Soteris]

He has power over you because he has the authority to grand or withhold your career. You can also go into all the ways he could sabotage your future career of he wanted to but thats just the icing on the cake. The fact that he has authority over you is already more than sufficient for him to get sent to jail for it.

[Asker]

Basically your saying that women are lile children who can't make choices of their own and have no integrity.

[Soteris]

This has nothing to do with if they are "strong independent women". It just makes logical sense both in philosophy and the law. Its not my fault that you can't understand the situation.

[Asker]

I guess I just believe in equality

[Soteris]

So are you saying that women are greater than men because given the same situation but with men that would still be coercion and illegal?

[Asker]

So you think men should apply all these coercion, sexplotation, sexual harrassment, consent and rape laws to women. Well I can now say that im a survivor of all those things.

[Soteris]

Then go to court with them.

[jbskhan]

Prostitutes obviously.. no one is victim here

[Sha84]

prostitute

[daisyriddle]

"I kept saying no" doesn't sound consensual to me

[Asker]

Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties.

[daisyriddle]

Once again, it didn't sound like she was "engaging in sexual activity" to me. It sounds like she got raped.

[Asker]

Who and when?

[CeCe94]

Just because a man pays off a woman after raping them doesn't mean it's prostitution.

[Asker]

@CeCe94 if they both consensually make an agreement of sex in exchange for money, goods or services that's prostitution and consensual sex.

[CeCe94]

There wasn't an agreement. When a woman is saying no and the man continues making sexual advances, that is rape. He then after the matter told them to keep quiet in return for fame and money. Rape and bribery, much different to prostitution.

[Asker]

@CeCe94 When a woman is saying no and the man continues making sexual advances, that is NOT rape, at most it's sexual harrassment. When a woman does it it's called flirting.

[CeCe94]

Okay I've clearly worded it wrong. When a women is saying no and the man continues to advance sexually to the point of intercourse that is rape.

[Asker]

@CeCe94 so your saying that being a woman means your incapable of making your own choices as an adult?

[daisyriddle]

How are you not getting what she's saying? That woman made her decision; no. The guy doesn't listen to her and keeps on going and THAT'S rape.

[Asker]

No that's not rape. At all times she has the option to say no.

[CeCe94]

Yes it is rape, what is wrong with you. She was saying no and he still went on to rape her. She made the decision. He overpowered her.

[Asker]

@CeCe94 overpowered her with words?

[CeCe94]

Obviously not. I'm genuinely fed up of talking to you now. You clearly don't understand the concept of rape which is incredibly worrying. If a woman says no, but the man still has sex with her despite her saying no, that is called rape. Educate yourself. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

[Anonymous]

Prostitutes

[Anonymous]

They just blendin with Hollywood traditions

[disgustingweebtrash]

Prostitutes