Looks matter most in the initial contact, but if you're at least average and she doesn't find you ugly, if you have a great personality, things in common, have the same sense of humor, and know how to escelate properly, you can attract her. I'm not saying all women are like this, it depends on the woman and what she values most. I personaly know a guy who is barely a 4 (I know it's mean, but he looks like a washed up heroin addict) who has been in a relationship for the past two years with a girl who is a 9. No, he isn't rich or really smart, or crazy funny. They just click really well and their personalities match up so well. I'm sure she know she can do better in the looks department, but he makes her happy and there is real chemistry. So it really depends on the woman and what she values most. Attractiveness is what pulls a woman in, everything else is what keeps her around.
Well I can't stop being nice so I guess I will continue to lose girls to assholes I won't corrupt myself or my morals to find a girl thats confused and don't know what she wants
I never said to not be nice, that's the point of this entire mytake. Be nice, girls love nice, it's what they look for, but you absolutely have to be flirtatious and confident around them from the very beginning to gain their interest. Just being nice gets you absolutely nowhere.
This is good to know. I've always wondered why my asshole friends have far more girls than I do. It's easier to be an asshole anyway... Thanks!
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It's because nice guys can never be rich. The only way to become a CEO or a billionaire is to step on a bunch of people, so a nice guy will never get that Ferrari that every woman loves.
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Women know everything, they just don't know what they want
You're still young :), they'll be plenty of more opportunities and you will fail again (if you don't it means you aren't trying). Just concentrate on improving.
Bad boi are fun cuz of constant arguments. Thats what gurls like. Being too nice and u will be broing and ur LUV will be taken for granted. Simple logic 👌🏼
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Here's the thing though, what if you don't do any of these things and get labeled as too nice, the nicest guy?
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I agree with your take but it's like no matter what I do, I still get labeled as a nice guy and it's like there's inherently a negative stigma with it.
On the flipside of that, regarding points 1 and 2, I usually end it because of a lack of physical attraction and common interests or we just don't get along. It's like the girl could be nice but ended up using misleading pictures and isn't attractive in real life or the girl could be very cute/decent looking but we don't have anything in common and she does nothing to add to the conversation which is awkward making it feel like an interview.
I get labeled as nice all the time and really sweet as well. I'm known to be a very friendly guy, but there's a difference, I actually go on dates with women I'm interested in because I know how to get a woman's interest and I have acquaintances/female friends who I know would date me if I was interested in them. If you have women in your life that are romantically interested in you and show it and if you're going on dates with these women and you're giving them a great time then you're doing everything right, you just have to keep looking for the right girl to come along. The majority of guys are actually picked by their gf's, go ahead ask couples how they met. It's usually the girl that decides, yes I want him I'll show him the signs and allow him to pursue me. It's less common for the guy to have a choice of which woman he is interested in. Most guys end up with their girlfriend because she's the only option he had at the time which is pretty sad to be honest.
I don't usually condone prostitution, but I think there are a few cases that warrant it. You have put yourself in a terrible cycle. You are now even more shy/less sure of yourself than you were years ago due to your lack of experience. The longer you go not doing anything the more and more difficult it's going to be to for you to break the cycle. I really do think that going to a prostitute will be grrately beneficial to you, I also don't mean going to a prostitute just ones, but multiple times. Enough times to give you confidence in your skills as a lover, however times that may be. You should then work on going on dates, ANY dates. You don't even have to really be interested in her. You'd just be going for the experience alone. Your only goal on those dates should be to have fun and improve from the last date you went on. Importantly go into the dates expecting that you won't do well because you honestly will probably not do well. This will allow you to not get too bumbed when it
doesn't go well and will also set your ego aside so you can see what you did wrong and what you did right. Eventually you'll get the hang of dating and what once seemed hard will seem easy. If you're not in good physical shape, get to work and invest in yourself and your appearance. It's never too late to turn your life around, the only person that's stopping you is yourself. The first step is the hardest, once you get moving though it gets easier and easier. It's simple physics, a body at rest tends to stay at rest and a body in motion tends to stay in motion. Feel free to pm me if you need help man. I'm only here to help as long as you're willing to put the effort in.
Ok, no problem :) I've already started working out in the gym, couple weeks ago, I hope it will pay off. So, what kind of prostitutes are the safest? Are there any specialised in deflowering men?
There's no such thing as a safe prostitute, please don't listen to this man. Any woman who's worth while will run for the hills if they knew that's either of you were into. What kind of advice is that?
Working out and having a nice body makes a HUGE difference, so keep at it. I really don't know much about prostitution but you should go somewhere that it's legal and regulated so the chances of you getting something is decreased and the chances of you sleeping with women who were forced into prostitution is less as well. I also suppose you can tell the prostitute that you're very inexperienced and if she can teach you and show things. Also, don't listen to any of the people that say it's a horrible thing and wrong, morality and right and wrong is not black and white, there are always circumstances that warrant certain actions and your circumstance is one of them. The cold hard truth is that if you continue doing exactly what you've been doing you will never progress, but most likely regress. If you don't want to go to prostitutes it's perfectly understandable, but it's going to be much more difficult for you to flirt and be forward with women you're interested in if you're worried
that you might kiss her wrong or hurt her or whatever. You'll end up just completely psyching yourself out which is just going to kill your confidence even more.
I see, ok, that was always my problem... overthinking about such details... but how can a prostitute teach me how to flirt? I don't know anything about dating, kissing and stuff like that... are there any useful books about the subject?
Flirting and everything mostly comes from experience hence why you should go on as many dates as possible when the opportunity presents itself. Also, the opportunity to date doesn't magically present itself, life isn't a romance movie. You need to stack everything in your favor to increase your chances. Make online dating profiles and expand your circle of friends. Ask women out that you like. There is plenty of info out there on how to get women's interest but most of it is utter bs, as long as you develop a small picture and go on dates for real experiences you'll improve and get better. Make sure you learn from your mistakes when you do mess up. Most importantly, if you want something in your life you have to let it in, if you're not ready to let it in or holding back it will never happen. You have to want it and put your ego aside and not be afraid of messing up.
Also, if it were me, I would buy that snickers, and then eat half of it and toss the other half on the ground and laugh in her face because it's funny, hahahahaha!!!
I think you missed the point that girls date assholes who have too much money to spend on those bitches. When the money flow stops, the bitches fly away.
No, if you're ugly you should work harder on your appearance by training and always dressing well. Also, you should have a killer personality. Obviously it's going to be way harder for you to get a woman's interest, but it's not impossible.
Isn't it the same for girls? I mean isn't this why girls who aren't pretty don't have many options? Men are extremely visual and judge women on looks 100% of the time. So men should not be offended if they are being judged by the same standard. But it doesn't mean you're screwed, because there's someone for everyone so there's no need to worry.
Probably the biggest load of drivel I've ever read. Absolute phoney baloney. Women reject good guys and date ass holes simply because women today are stupid and have been brainwashed by feminism, which is why marriage and family has decayed.
Says the guy who hasn't been on a date for 11 years... Yea you're a REAL nice guy considering you view women as brainwashed idiots, it's unbelieve women don't just swoon at your presence. You're so sexually frustrated that all you do is hate hate hate and you consider yourself a good guy, smh.
If I wanted to have sex I would just pay for an escort. But I don't need sex to be happy. Maybe you do but I don't. And I never even claimed to be a nice guy, dummy. Please pay attention next time before posting your drivel.
Sex is not just sex when it's done with the right person. Sex is one of the best bonding experiences you can share with the person you love/care for and it's not just sex that brings you closer to that special someone. What happens before and after you finish makes it so much better. There's no better feeling than when you're in each other's arms after you've finished and feel completely satisfied with everything going on around you and you can be free and completely vulnerable with the person you shared that wonderful experience with. It's something completely indescribable and something that you can never buy.
I was simply making a point that if I wanted to have sex then I could just pay for an escort. You seem to think that you're the cat that's got the cream just because you get a have regular sex with a woman and I don't. Like I said, I can have an escort any time I like and I can choose from a large variety of women and have lots of different pussy. But at this moment in time it doesn't interest me, so stop being such a smug clown.
Thanks man! Only took me being friendzoned for two years haha, it was 100% worth it though, I learned so much and because of it I know I understand women better than most guys because of the struggle. It's gotten to the point where getting dates is easy, I never thought I'd be where I am!
I think the turning point came for me when I decided: #1 to be courageous enough to flirt a little #2 not be afraid to say no (or state my opinion) #3 stopped looking for success or as they call it not being outcome-dependent for my happiness #4 being more interested in how they felt and how I could relate to them than in my own sense of satisfaction at that moment #5 and the most important: not taking all this personally as if there was a conspiracy that the Universe required my failure to keep running correctly!
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I googled uglypeople. com. glad to see its not aa real site. lol
hahahaha yea I just googled ugly guy
wow! that's pretty awful that people actually upload photos of others tagging them ugly.
yea well it is the internet haha, you need to set your standards extremely low when it comes to the internet hahaha
LOOKS MATTER MOST. You can't get a woman without them unless you're rich or rare unique luck.
Looks matter most in the initial contact, but if you're at least average and she doesn't find you ugly, if you have a great personality, things in common, have the same sense of humor, and know how to escelate properly, you can attract her. I'm not saying all women are like this, it depends on the woman and what she values most. I personaly know a guy who is barely a 4 (I know it's mean, but he looks like a washed up heroin addict) who has been in a relationship for the past two years with a girl who is a 9. No, he isn't rich or really smart, or crazy funny. They just click really well and their personalities match up so well. I'm sure she know she can do better in the looks department, but he makes her happy and there is real chemistry. So it really depends on the woman and what she values most. Attractiveness is what pulls a woman in, everything else is what keeps her around.
Well said!!! Brilliant.
Thank you :)
My tips for the guys who are still stuck on the nice guy phase is
1. have some self dignity
2. Learn how to lead & do what you want 3. dont be indecisive
4. Go after what you want
Well I can't stop being nice so I guess I will continue to lose girls to assholes I won't corrupt myself or my morals to find a girl thats confused and don't know what she wants
R u serious bro? You can still be nice and confident.
I never said to not be nice, that's the point of this entire mytake. Be nice, girls love nice, it's what they look for, but you absolutely have to be flirtatious and confident around them from the very beginning to gain their interest. Just being nice gets you absolutely nowhere.
This is good to know. I've always wondered why my asshole friends have far more girls than I do. It's easier to be an asshole anyway... Thanks!
It's because nice guys can never be rich. The only way to become a CEO or a billionaire is to step on a bunch of people, so a nice guy will never get that Ferrari that every woman loves.
Women know everything, they just don't know what they want
i don't agree. it depends on the girl. every girl is different with different personalities.
Well, maybe I got my answer why I was unsuccessful in the long run.
You're still young :), they'll be plenty of more opportunities and you will fail again (if you don't it means you aren't trying). Just concentrate on improving.
Okay... I will try
Bad boi are fun cuz of constant arguments. Thats what gurls like. Being too nice and u will be broing and ur LUV will be taken for granted. Simple logic 👌🏼
Here's the thing though, what if you don't do any of these things and get labeled as too nice, the nicest guy?
I agree with your take but it's like no matter what I do, I still get labeled as a nice guy and it's like there's inherently a negative stigma with it.
On the flipside of that, regarding points 1 and 2, I usually end it because of a lack of physical attraction and common interests or we just don't get along. It's like the girl could be nice but ended up using misleading pictures and isn't attractive in real life or the girl could be very cute/decent looking but we don't have anything in common and she does nothing to add to the conversation which is awkward making it feel like an interview.
I get labeled as nice all the time and really sweet as well. I'm known to be a very friendly guy, but there's a difference, I actually go on dates with women I'm interested in because I know how to get a woman's interest and I have acquaintances/female friends who I know would date me if I was interested in them. If you have women in your life that are romantically interested in you and show it and if you're going on dates with these women and you're giving them a great time then you're doing everything right, you just have to keep looking for the right girl to come along. The majority of guys are actually picked by their gf's, go ahead ask couples how they met. It's usually the girl that decides, yes I want him I'll show him the signs and allow him to pursue me. It's less common for the guy to have a choice of which woman he is interested in. Most guys end up with their girlfriend because she's the only option he had at the time which is pretty sad to be honest.
Then it's hopeless for us nice guys :(
The entire point of this mytake is to show you the error of your ways and not for you to just give up, what kind of man are you?
What do you think? My shyness and low self confidence ruined my life... I'm a 39 years old virgin :(
I don't usually condone prostitution, but I think there are a few cases that warrant it. You have put yourself in a terrible cycle. You are now even more shy/less sure of yourself than you were years ago due to your lack of experience. The longer you go not doing anything the more and more difficult it's going to be to for you to break the cycle. I really do think that going to a prostitute will be grrately beneficial to you, I also don't mean going to a prostitute just ones, but multiple times. Enough times to give you confidence in your skills as a lover, however times that may be. You should then work on going on dates, ANY dates. You don't even have to really be interested in her. You'd just be going for the experience alone. Your only goal on those dates should be to have fun and improve from the last date you went on. Importantly go into the dates expecting that you won't do well because you honestly will probably not do well. This will allow you to not get too bumbed when it
Ok, thank you... I'll try... but are there any prostitutes specialised for deflowering men?
doesn't go well and will also set your ego aside so you can see what you did wrong and what you did right. Eventually you'll get the hang of dating and what once seemed hard will seem easy. If you're not in good physical shape, get to work and invest in yourself and your appearance. It's never too late to turn your life around, the only person that's stopping you is yourself. The first step is the hardest, once you get moving though it gets easier and easier. It's simple physics, a body at rest tends to stay at rest and a body in motion tends to stay in motion. Feel free to pm me if you need help man. I'm only here to help as long as you're willing to put the effort in.
also please ignore the numerous gramatical and spelling errors, I'm fairly sleepy.
Ok, no problem :)
I've already started working out in the gym, couple weeks ago, I hope it will pay off.
So, what kind of prostitutes are the safest? Are there any specialised in deflowering men?
There's no such thing as a safe prostitute, please don't listen to this man. Any woman who's worth while will run for the hills if they knew that's either of you were into. What kind of advice is that?
Working out and having a nice body makes a HUGE difference, so keep at it. I really don't know much about prostitution but you should go somewhere that it's legal and regulated so the chances of you getting something is decreased and the chances of you sleeping with women who were forced into prostitution is less as well. I also suppose you can tell the prostitute that you're very inexperienced and if she can teach you and show things. Also, don't listen to any of the people that say it's a horrible thing and wrong, morality and right and wrong is not black and white, there are always circumstances that warrant certain actions and your circumstance is one of them. The cold hard truth is that if you continue doing exactly what you've been doing you will never progress, but most likely regress. If you don't want to go to prostitutes it's perfectly understandable, but it's going to be much more difficult for you to flirt and be forward with women you're interested in if you're worried
that you might kiss her wrong or hurt her or whatever. You'll end up just completely psyching yourself out which is just going to kill your confidence even more.
I see, ok, that was always my problem... overthinking about such details... but how can a prostitute teach me how to flirt? I don't know anything about dating, kissing and stuff like that... are there any useful books about the subject?
Only if you let it be hopeless.
Flirting and everything mostly comes from experience hence why you should go on as many dates as possible when the opportunity presents itself. Also, the opportunity to date doesn't magically present itself, life isn't a romance movie. You need to stack everything in your favor to increase your chances. Make online dating profiles and expand your circle of friends. Ask women out that you like. There is plenty of info out there on how to get women's interest but most of it is utter bs, as long as you develop a small picture and go on dates for real experiences you'll improve and get better. Make sure you learn from your mistakes when you do mess up. Most importantly, if you want something in your life you have to let it in, if you're not ready to let it in or holding back it will never happen. You have to want it and put your ego aside and not be afraid of messing up.
I see, thanks, I'll do my best, I hope it will work :)
Why not just say he's a loser and call it a day, jeez, you people are fucking obsessed with this circle jerk, confirmation bias nonsense.
Also, if it were me, I would buy that snickers, and then eat half of it and toss the other half on the ground and laugh in her face because it's funny, hahahahaha!!!
I think you missed the point that girls date assholes who have too much money to spend on those bitches. When the money flow stops, the bitches fly away.
Love it! Totally right.
From this i get. If u are ugly u are ugly not matter who u are nice guy, asshole or whatever if u are ugly u are fked
No, if you're ugly you should work harder on your appearance by training and always dressing well. Also, you should have a killer personality. Obviously it's going to be way harder for you to get a woman's interest, but it's not impossible.
Isn't it the same for girls? I mean isn't this why girls who aren't pretty don't have many options? Men are extremely visual and judge women on looks 100% of the time. So men should not be offended if they are being judged by the same standard. But it doesn't mean you're screwed, because there's someone for everyone so there's no need to worry.
@BrunetteNYC If i can't find a girlfriend when im 22 why would i need someone when im 50 or 60?
Probably the biggest load of drivel I've ever read. Absolute phoney baloney. Women reject good guys and date ass holes simply because women today are stupid and have been brainwashed by feminism, which is why marriage and family has decayed.
Says the guy who hasn't been on a date for 11 years... Yea you're a REAL nice guy considering you view women as brainwashed idiots, it's unbelieve women don't just swoon at your presence. You're so sexually frustrated that all you do is hate hate hate and you consider yourself a good guy, smh.
If I wanted to have sex I would just pay for an escort. But I don't need sex to be happy. Maybe you do but I don't. And I never even claimed to be a nice guy, dummy. Please pay attention next time before posting your drivel.
Sex is not just sex when it's done with the right person. Sex is one of the best bonding experiences you can share with the person you love/care for and it's not just sex that brings you closer to that special someone. What happens before and after you finish makes it so much better. There's no better feeling than when you're in each other's arms after you've finished and feel completely satisfied with everything going on around you and you can be free and completely vulnerable with the person you shared that wonderful experience with. It's something completely indescribable and something that you can never buy.
I was simply making a point that if I wanted to have sex then I could just pay for an escort. You seem to think that you're the cat that's got the cream just because you get a have regular sex with a woman and I don't. Like I said, I can have an escort any time I like and I can choose from a large variety of women and have lots of different pussy. But at this moment in time it doesn't interest me, so stop being such a smug clown.
Fantastic take! Glad you escaped "niceguyland"
Thanks man! Only took me being friendzoned for two years haha, it was 100% worth it though, I learned so much and because of it I know I understand women better than most guys because of the struggle. It's gotten to the point where getting dates is easy, I never thought I'd be where I am!
I think the turning point came for me when I decided: #1 to be courageous enough to flirt a little #2 not be afraid to say no (or state my opinion) #3 stopped looking for success or as they call it not being outcome-dependent for my happiness #4 being more interested in how they felt and how I could relate to them than in my own sense of satisfaction at that moment #5 and the most important: not taking all this personally as if there was a conspiracy that the Universe required my failure to keep running correctly!
This is glorious.
Thanks man!