Men Making Women Wait For Them

[Anonymous]

Can you please stop making us wait?

I know you have learnt the hard way that women respond better if you keep them waiting for you.

I know you are busy and don't feel the need to communicate as much. I know you may not even be that interested. I know you have other options. I know I'm not the best you could probably be with. I know you've got work and friends and I'm not a priority just yet.

But you could just send a message or call to say hi, sorry couldn't make plans this weekend.

I know you need to make me know my place.

But the thing is, while you're thinking all this, or perhaps not even thinking about me at all, I'm really sad.

We get sad and confused, but we're so terrified that we'll appear clingy (shock horror) and annoying that we can't reach out.

It's a catch 22.

I know you feel more in control when you withhold yourself, and yeah I get it. I'm a woman, we get it - we withhold sex to maintain control, I know we do.

But I'm lying here in tears, I'm sad, I like you, we connected, we flirted, we talked endlessly.

I don't play games when I respect someone enough to like them romantically. So please don't play them with me.

I know you aren't heartless, but whenever men do this, it feels like you're all heartless monsters.

I wake up with a broken smile, I'm crying inside but I can't show it because even my friends and family would think I'm being weird and clingy (God forbid). So society be damned for the creature it makes of us all.

I get why you all do it, I'm just asking for you all to stop if you can see that real women never play games. And we go all in, so things that seem so little to you are mini heartquakes to us. And we can't tell anyone.

[moosette134]

This is the most true thing I've ever read. I feel like such a mess because I get so invested in someone and I never feel like it's reciprocated. To say it feels like a rollercoaster is so cliched but also exactly how I feel. Within seconds I can go from absolutely fine to elated, from elated to crushed. Sending him a text has become terrifying, the kind of thing I have to press send on without looking or I'll never do it. Because I just don't know what he's thinking. I feel like I've been clear and I get so many mixed signals from him which like, yeah I understand why, but it hurts. It's hard for me to put myself out there and not feel like it's making any difference. I don't feel like he doesn't like me, but I don't feel like he's making any effort either.

[Psi_Unknown]

Thoughts need to be guarded very carefully.

[myTake Owner]

Exactly 😔😔

[AleDeEurope]

But when we express our feelings, we get turned down cause we went too fast, we appear clingy, we didn't play...
So what do we do? Why don't you tell us straight up what's happening instead of playing games.
Don't blame society, blame yourself for caring about what society says.
If you want it, go get it, but 90% of women do nothing, they just wait and wait for the guy... we get tired from that, you know, cause we thinl you aren't interested. If we're the ones initiating every single time, how do you think that feels? We have feelings too. If you want yours to be taken into consideration, think about ours too. It's a two way street.

[IceEverest]

Upvoted...

[AleDeEurope]

@IceEverest Thanks ;)

[IceEverest]

welcome

[myTake Owner]

I do. I always do.

[ElissaDido]

👍🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[Investigator]

I have several points do make on this MyTake:
1) "I know you have learnt the hard way that women respond better if you keep them waiting for you."
Are you serious, with this first comment? If it true that women do respond better to men when they are kept waiting, why on Earth would a guy screw that up? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It's not men who should respond to women, it's women should stop contacting men who do this. But, again, if this is working, that's not going to happen.

2)"I know you need to make me know my place."
Is that really what you think a guy not responding to you is intending? Essentially, no response = maliciousness. Make sense... or it could be he's just busy. There's this thing called "time" and there's a finite amount of it.

3) "I know you feel more in control when you withhold yourself, and yeah I get it. I'm a woman, we get it - we withhold sex to maintain control, I know we do."
First off, good on you for admitting you (or women in general, if we're going to extrapolate) use sex as a weapon. That's always classy. Secondly, the reasons guys don't respond vary. For example, sometimes I have nothing to say, I'm busy, or I have no interest in having her get pissed at me, because something I say could be misconstrued (which happens a lot more often than it should) and she will not reply. Of course, at that point, I really should just stop talking to her, anyway.

4) "I get why you all do it, I'm just asking for you all to stop if you can see that real women never play games. And we go all in, so things that seem so little to you are mini heartquakes to us. And we can't tell anyone."
Pray tell, what is a "real woman"? As opposed to a "fake woman"? And how do you know "real women" don't play games? This part just sounds like projection. "I'm a good woman, unlike this other, bad women." Also, don't you have friends for issues like this? Where are they?

This whole MyTake sounds like you're turning your issues into everyone's issues.

[CoolSky01]

Nice, except... all women play games, good and bad alike, young and old it just fuels your lives, thats not an excuse to be an asshole , and you shouldn't be most of the time but games make women crave men, in the beggining of every relationship men do all the work and all the texting, women do nothing they just wait and do their thing yes we complain sometimes but we move on after like 5 mins regarldess of how much we like the girl, if a man is insulted he is not going to stick around.

You are asking guys to give you everything and open their cards and always be with you and around you because otherwise you feel sad... well isn't that selfish?

Why should a guy who dated and a lot and realized that giving everything he's got never does the trick? why should a man who was hurt by women before give you the satisfaction you need, even if you truly loves you and you love him, its risky, you can't just ask a guy to do all that for you when had to deal with lots of heartbreaks in the past, what you feel is not important what he feels is , if he has never had his heartbroken, these things you listen won't be an issue... however if some woman hurt him opening up and showing interest or at least in large doses is going to be extremely difficult for such a man.

Men are not as complicated as females that is probably true, but we are quite logical, like you wouldn't believe, if a woman dates a bad boy who hurts her she will not learn and will date a second and third... men once they are hurt by a woman never ever approach similiar women are always on the defense when approaching women.

one more thing everything you mentioned happens with 90% of men , regardless of how attractive, important, interesting or nice they are, women ignore men on daily basis, it happened to me, my friends, random guys I don't know... etc for no apperant reason we just got ignored by our GFs, dates... for few days just because...

[Psi_Unknown]

Your point about sadness is a good one as guys/men get sad too!

[CoolSky01]

@Psi_Unknown Thank you, its just a bit frustrating and annoying that women throw the entire responsibility on men, and claim that its their job... like ladeis, i get that were the men and we have to act but you can't play games and hide and seek then expect us to keep trying to get you !! it doesn't work like that, why would i keep texting a girl first for a month and do my best to get close to her while she's just... sitting there waiting ( and yes it has happened ) , girls complain and whine all the time but what about the men? are our feelings taken into consideration when you white? do you remember the 10 guys who messaged you and you ignored them for no reason or rejected them in the worst way possible? it seems to me that women want to have the upper hand and when they lose it they get mad and start acting weird and crazy, too bad iam too cold to actually be annoyed most of the time, so it doesn't affect me...

[myTake Owner]

I don't want him to be with me all the time? I want him to send a message or make a quick call - it wouldn't kill him. And frankly I think if men would stop going for women who treat them badly and have shown every evidence that they will treat them badly then we'd all be much happier. Men play games on nice girls. It's a bitch eat bitch world out there and nice girls don't know how to play.

[Psi_Unknown]

It is probably true that, "It's a bitch eat bitch world out there and nice girls don't know how to play," but what do you expect others to do or know about it?

[CoolSky01]

there is no such thing as bad girls all girls are the same, i've had my own problems with good and bad girls alike and tbh, bad girls are better, they at least show you they are interested and try to text first, good and nice girls just wait they're like " iam too shy he should do it" but i have my limit and when i reach it its over iam not messaging you anymore , there are no exceptions all girls act like these i see live and walking examples everyday, you all claim you're different but you're not, good or bad makes no difference, a girl remains a girl.

[myTake Owner]

@Psi_Unknown perhaps you guys are right - but my point still stands that men go for women who clearly show signs that they won't be faithful/respectful/mature etc. Shy girls aren't immediately good girls either, you're right. But normal women - ones who respect that the man they're dating is a whole person with his own life and responsibilities just like her, are often left standing scratching their heads and wondering whether they ought to be bitchy and cruel.

[Psi_Unknown]

Fair enough I suppose. I somewhat feel like faithfulness, respect, maturity, and anything else were kind of lost. I agree people are left wondering how they ought to feel and be, considering to do bad things--be bitchy or cruel--. Are you recommending something be done about it?

[Psi_Unknown]

Making you wait for what exactly? Why men make women wait for them? Because when one pours out their heart onto a page, and that page is never responded to, let alone read, one bleeds to death. (I may get backlogged, but unless there are thousands of messages or a catastrophe, I at least take the time to read what others replied even if I don't know what to say.) I assure you; it is a catch-22 for guys. If one doesn't speak they not talking enough, if one speaks one is a liar. If one sends a message, it is kept to be dug up and used as evidence. If one sends no message, one doesn't care. If one does nothing, they should have helped. If one helps, they did it wrong. If one makes no plans, they are a coward or lacking, if one makes plans, they just aren't good enough or do not work out. If you are so terrified of sending a message, why would you expect others to do the same? Even by coming on here, you might as well be playing the game. Reading the original post like this is draining. I've found that at least more often than not, it was women that actually made men wait, at least til their youth was gone...

[myTake Owner]

I did send messages, I did call. I did wait days only to get a cold answer that hinted that he'd forgotten we'd ever flirted and spoken. I didn't play games. I read all these messages here from guys angry with women and I just think it's so unfair. I wouldn't do anything so cruel as what I've seen described here. And yet I'm always alone. When I try to date someone I get heartbroken. Always! And then I have to hear about how this awful person has dated so many people and I just think 'well why don't they go for me? Cause i would never do that?'

[Psi_Unknown]

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way. Almost everyone has a breaking point and can turn and do cruel things. So, why would you keep dating if you always end up heartbroken? If this person really is so awful, then why worry about them? I have no idea why they wouldn't go you?

[myTake Owner]

Maybe I'm just a bit too much. I can't stop loving though

[Psi_Unknown]

Love is powerful.

[Anonymous]

Girl you are 100% accurate. Its frustrating like hell. Its not fun. It is confusing. I dont understand why they cannot be upfront especially after they know that we officially like them. You know we like you.. you know we will devote ourselves to you so why act distant to see what else you can get from us? There is nothing else at that point... because like you said at that point it makes us get clingy... and then oh lord all hell breaks lose at that point because you are now running for the hills from us.

Damn if we do damn if we don't.

It is always the good girls that are honest and upfront that share their feelings that get the rug pulled from under them. This recently just happened to me and I am frustrated through the roof. I get it they get scared but thats where communication comes through. You won't be less of a man if you express your fear of a relationship, or the need to go slow... or that they really like us and their feelings scare them. Because then we can reassure them... go at a pace that works.

HATE GAMES...
You said it... mini heartquakes..
grrrr

[Azara]

I dont 'know my place'. I'm not a servant, if a guy isn't interested or i intent on having me believe so, I'm not 'sad', I'm moving on.

You are talking bout guys who dot respect you. this is not standard behavior, but as long as you accept it you will not move beyond it. If you feel clingy simply by communicating with someone you are interested in, they re not the worsen for you and you are not ready for a relationship. Not until you can respect your self.

No i dint use sex to control a person. what would be the point? if they only want you bc you withhold, then its all fake and it'll be over as soon as they get what they want.

if you can't take yourself seriously no guy will. if a guy can't take you seriously dont accommodate that. move on.

[OmaiBakaDayo]

yeah. chicks do this too. its the natural thing people do. they dont want to put any effort in when theyre off someone. so they just leave you hanging. dont act like its a male thing. literally everyone does it. you know how many times I've been stood up or ignored? jeez. i wager to say that women do it more than men do. but even if it was only a male thing you have all of the power as a female. ur basically crying that he should give you all of the power. like you said. you get it. sorry thats the way it is. but thats the way it is. u would be better off accepting it than crying about it. or just telling him how you feel about it in a subtle way.

[Tanuron]

Always hated the withhold to try and keep or stay in control part. Just disrespectful on so many levels. I dont play games myself either that way, but there is always something. At times no matter what you do its always wrong, no way to win. I know many woman do as described too, but yeah think regardless. That people shouldn't be so ruled by fear.

I been through so much crap myself and I sure have plenty of walls, but is just unfair how I take all these risks and choose to take a chance when honestly people dont dare for smaller reasons. Anyways again, love hard perhaps or dont love at all. Love isent supposed to make you more lonely in a way.

[love2run13]

Exactly, well said.

[Spiorad_Aisce]

Very fair point I never agreed with the "Treat them mean, keep them keen" philosophy. (1) If a person either gender isn't interested, say so (2) If they are interested as you say please no games. Talk if you feel like it but if you want say "I can't talk now. I will text/msg/call later". If you are open and honest you can work out a frequency of communication that suits you both and both understand why the other person is like that. Some will want to text 50 times a day others will feel a handful of times is enough.

[MikeGaultier]

Sounds like an isolated case. I've seen this more with women. How often do you hear men say, "Bro, it took her two hours to respond, now you have to wait 4"? Rarely. I've seen women play this game quite a bit... especially my last ex and many of her friends.
Not saying that all women are an exemplar of this MyTake. I've met plenty who were incredibly mature, down to earth, and didn't have time for games. They are the ones I went for.

Rule of thumb: If a guy does something you don't like, don't pursue him.

[Tdieseler]

hahahahahaha... it is what it is... this is tantamount to asking women to stop nagging.
thats why i keep it simple... keep the "talking" to a minimum and the fucking to a maximum.
problem solved.
as for women using sex as some kind of weapon of control... i always disclaim to girls that i get with that should they do that... there is ALWAYS another girl who will have sex and I've got her number... so you want to withhold sex... fine.. but im STILL gonna get mines lol, if not from you, from someone else...
then im gonna dare her to withhold again. they usually don't.

[myTake Owner]

Do they stick around as well?

[Tdieseler]

The ones that did stick around were usually the ones that didn't withhold because before we started something, they've already seen my behavior... they Knew i meant it. The dumb ones still try to test it out, then play victim after they had been warned. Im realistic, i say and do things as is, thats why i give warnings first...
A few that thought i was bluffing did stick around when they realized it wasn't a bluff though they whined constantly because i'd taken their "weapon" away lol.

[Tdieseler]

i don't like people doing things to me that they won't like if it were done to them, so i specialize in "giving people a dose of their own medicine" and 10 out of 10 times, they don't like it.
sometimes (if not every time, women make men wait too) so i frankly don't see the problem.

[myTake Owner]

Okay... But none of them ended up being with you today?

Can I tell you something? You sound like a really mean guy. What I imagine when you talk like this:

You date a girl and expect her to spread her legs when and wherever you want it, she might not be in the mood, you go have sex with another woman, come back and tell your girlfriend about how you cheated on her and rub it in her face how unimportant she is save as a sex object.

Why would you do that to someone you want to be with? Or do you not want love? You just want sex?

[Tdieseler]

i won't lie.. i AM a mean guy... because I've had it with women's double standards. When i express my wants... im categorized as mean, or a jerk, or a douche. but when women do... its supposed to be legit. i don't give a shit anymore. I went primal... nature didn't make male n female equal... and i sure as hell use that.
I only TRY to be civil cuz im modern, but anyone that tries to take that for weakness... finds out real quick. i don't expect my girl to open up for me when i want... she has her mind and choice... but i hope she knows that if she doesn't, someone else will. because she was my "go to" and she rejected me... doesn't make the want go away... it still has to be satisfied... primal.
Lol... you called me mean... im blushing... thats the nicest thing I've been called recently.

[RationalMale]

The simple reality is that when a woman loses attraction for you, she becomes as cold as if she never met you. It doesn't matter if it was a girl who you met yesterday, someone you've been chatting with for six months, or a long term girlfriend.

Why on earth do we men need to behave to a higher standard? You want better, stop training us to be heartless. Women reap what they sow.

[myTake Owner]

No, not women. Insecure girls in women's bodies. They aren't all of us.

[RationalMale]

Maybe we should be content to wait until a woman is maybe 27, 30, and is "ready for a relationship" because she's "tired of bad boys." We can be that lucky guy getting duty sex weekly.

Oorrr, fellows, you can be the guy she WANTS to have sex with and then she calls YOU the next day. Not because she's got baby rabies, or because she needs someone to pay off her student loans, but because she WANTS to sleep with you.

[myTake Owner]

A woman's sexual prime is in her thirties. It's the ones who get married in their early twenties who find im themselves in their thirties having grown into completely different women and stuck with a man they have started to get bored of as any 10 year old marriage will - but add to that that the woman is in her sexual prime? Things can get ugly.

[RationalMale]

Hah. No. Women are physically in their prime in their 20's. Most desperate for sex in their 30's as their fertility plummets.

[Psi_Unknown]

I guess either way you lose since a man's prime is generally younger. Not really anyone's fault, it is just messed up for being that way...

[Londonscotland]

Yes I agree with that I seen some cases of that.

[RationalMale]

@Psi_Unknown I would say a man's physical prime is in his 20's. A man's sexual prime is probably his late 20's/early 30's, if you look at what women find most attractive. Simple example would be how many college girls love dating men who are 28, 29, 30.

[Psi_Unknown]

I can agree with that. To me, I view the physical prime as the important or necessary part though. Once the physical prime starts going downhill, recovering or slowing the decline is hard.

[skykidx1]

He's not lying I known my ex for 7 years before dating even through it was her parents that broke us up. She treated me like I was just some creep off the stuff.. like I never known her or was the one always there for her during every hard time she ever been there. so he's not lying why should I need to behind to a higher standard when women could care 2 shit less about a guy feels unless it benefits them. Am not the type who would never text a women back nut am show as hell nor texting her 247

[myTake Owner]

Wow. Fuck you you ageist asshole.

[Psi_Unknown]

Who are you calling an ageist and why?

[RationalMale]

"Ageist"? Tell that to all the high school and college girls that gleefully snub guys their own age to date older. Age is a part of life. Get used to it.

[myTake Owner]

@Psi_Unknown 'rational male' for his referring to women in their thirties as desperate and therefore that's why they're supposedly in their sexual prime.

[RationalMale]

women in their 30's get a higher sex drive as their fertility fades. it is not a woman's physical prime. that is her early 20's.

[myTake Owner]

The science behind your argument is where?

[RationalMale]

if you want, go check a graph of womens fertility.

aside from that, its just common sense that women are hotter in their early 20's than early 30's. unless you're a 30 year old woman.

[slimstiffy]

Sorrybut he's right op. From about 35 onwards fertility of a woman decreases. Thats why women get more despeeate somewhere at 30 onwards

[Anonymous]

This is funny because as a dude I literally felt the exact same thing but instead of writing it I proceed to pretend like I was cool with how things were going. And tried my best to go about my day like nothing negative had happened. Because I blame myself for not doing things right. Because I'm the guy. I'm the one who's suppose to just know how this stuff works and have all the perfect moves and behaviors to convince her I'm great and worth it. But I'm not so imma just go back to keeping to myself.

[myTake Owner]

Emma Watson have this speech at the UN about her campaign #heforshe... In it she mentions how she sees her male friends become men not learning to manage their emotions - forced to aspire to a biased gender role. That said I can never manage my emotions. I know we women say we'd like a man who is in touch with his softer side but then we generally go for the emotionless jerk... To quote another user: I guess hats modern romance for you.

[Maxemeister]

Men? I'm sorry, did someone knock you silly? I have NEVER heard once of a man EVER doing that to a woman. You women withhold not only sex, but also true feelings, fun, and the happy parts of a relationship.

I applaud the guy that makes the woman wait

[Reflexy]

I think she was talking about waiting for commitment although im not entirely sure

[Psi_Unknown]

I agree with the part about women withholding feelings.

[myTake Owner]

Men always do that to me. I guess there must be something wrong with me then. :(

[myTake Owner]

@Reflexy I meant that he doesn't call or write when he promised he would.

[Psi_Unknown]

That's why I almost never make promises. Broken promises are terrible. Don't be sad; things happen, and problems exist, it doesn't mean anything is wrong with you! Hopefully, you'll find a man you feel does not do that to you!

[Maxemeister]

Nah, not something wrong with you. Just the wrong guy. The point is, keep searching! There's lots of guys out there!

[myTake Owner]

@Reflexy thanks guys... I hope there's nothing wrong with me. It took me a long time to get to the point where I can date again, so this really worried me especially as so many guys here are saying men never do that. X

[Maxemeister]

A gender ALWAYS has exceptions. But when you say just "men" it implies that u mean all men. Everywhere.

[Psi_Unknown]

You weren't believed?

[lonerider]

"I know you have learnt the hard way that women respond better if you keep them waiting for you."

Maybe we'll stop doing it if you stop responding positively to it?

[AllThatSweetJazz]

You say "real" women never play games after describing playing a game.

It's also possible that the problem is mostly centered around you being *too* insecure, not a guy's 'failings' to soothe your issues - and if you want them soothed then here's an idea, stop waiting and be active for once.

[myTake Owner]

I don't play games - in fact I'm too upfront and blunt. I work, I have a life, I don't have time to second guess a guy so I assume they're the same. I call, I message, and then when I see a guy not paying attention and taking his sweet time or flirting with other women, I stop trying to get his attention. Then circumstances leave us alone together and he's that sweetheart again. then he vanishes again. How am I supposed to feel except heartbroken and unable to talk about it? I don't withhold sex or affection, I love fully. In fact everything you men complain about here - I DONT DO. But it doesn't seem to matter. Men see no difference.

[BigJake]

Who said anything was fair about relationships? Girls make guys wait all the time. You know how many girls feel bad about that? None. Zero. Girls feel it's their prerogative to treat guys however they so choose, so why shouldn't the same apply to how guys treat girls? Fair is fair. Equality means that you get treat just as guys are treated, so buck up.

[myTake Owner]

Girls do feel bad, I do if I ever hurt anyone or make them feel bad. It's not nice. But will you go for me? No. You'll go for the girl who you know has broken hearts. You'll go for the girl who is quite obviously more immature - because she looks like more fun. And then you'll punish the women who look like they can be pushed around. The ones you know will take it. Go on, break a sweet girl's heart because a horrible one broke yours. Well done. Standing fucking ovation.

[Psi_Unknown]

I agree that people shouldn't intentionally go around breaking hearts period either nice or not. Do you want to start playing G~d though and deciding only certain people should be punished and not others? Who is nice and should be exempt and who is not?

[myTake Owner]

@Psi_Unknown no I don't but I do think that guys should stop assuming the worst of women is indicative of all women. It's not fair on the rest of us.

[BigJake]

Why is it 'fair' when girls do this stuff to guys, but not fair the other way around?

Whenever I've been hurt by a girl who played me, I've gotten the 'buck up' speech from my female friends. The gist of these speeches was that girls have their own prerogatives about who they date, and those prerogatives are sacrosanct. When a girl makes a decision about a guy's merits, that decision is like the word of God and guys should take whatever judgment is heaped upon us and slink away to improve ourselves. If I got played, it was my fault, not the girls. So why do girls not have to live by the same rules that they foist upon guys?

People hurt each other, period. It's not just guys out there playing girls and leading them on. In actuality, it's guys who get played by girls more often than the other way around.

[myTake Owner]

That's not true. Men are more often cruel and dismissive than are women. Look, I'm not one of your friends and your friends don't sound really mature or understanding or even frankly friendly - don't judge me by them.

[BigJake]

I'm not judging you at all, I'm just saying that guys experience worse rejection than girls ever do but get no sympathy for our travails. I wish no one had to go through this, but if guys do, then girls can experience some pain as well.

[myTake Owner]

But they do - more often in my experience. Or perhaps that's just me. I feel bad for heartbroken men and women.

[Anonymous]

Well when you're painted as the villain simply for being born with a penis you get sick of caring about those that villainize you. You get sick of being blamed for literally everything. So if I'm going to be condemned no matter what may as well not make women look like liars so I'll play the part. You want to call me a villain fine I'll become a villain and play the part.

The more you blame us for just about anything and everything the more we hate and despise you.

[myTake Owner]

I don't blame men.

[MG-TOW]

Reality is that it will never be alright. If the guy immediately responded you would be writing: "Please give me some space. A real woman needs her freedom"

[Anonymous]

It's because once we show interest and that we really like and care for you we get put in the friend zone or you find someone else I'm sorry but that's the fucking reality and the sooner women realize it the better. Women are attracted to assholes and that's about it if you're not an asshole you're consider too nice and more of a friend. Trust me I've tried being nice and nothing happens except heart break its better to be the one breaking the hearts then getting yours broken. To clear it up the guys that realize this are the ones not messaging you back or paying any attention to you because they know girls want what they can't get

[myTake Owner]

I believe men want bitches. You believe women want assholes. What's the point? Maybe I should be a bitch?

[Psi_Unknown]

Your point is reasonable. Does another really know what one should be or want to be? Change or do not change, either way, will it make a difference?

[myTake Owner]

@Psi_Unknown and then again, is romance worth all the trouble?

[Psi_Unknown]

*sigh* I don't know. Lol. Do I look like I know what romance is?

[myTake Owner]

@Psi_Unknown lol sigh *hug*

[Psi_Unknown]

How nice of you!