The first 3 points also work the other way you know. They're not a good attempt to justify this. As for you being traditional, I see that word thrown around a lot by women by like 95% of them are nowhere near 'traditional' so cut that line of bs out of the equation and just admit that you like when a guy pays for you because you are selfish.
The first date is the absolute worst time to expect a guy to pay. Nobody owes anyone anything on a first date. Chances are you don't even know the other person. High likelihood of flaking, ghosting or simply rejecting a second date. Why should we invest against the odds if you're not willing to?
@mistixs That is a choice that they make. It has no bearing on who should pay for dinner. And if you ask women who women dress up for, you will get the response that it is in large part a result of competition with other women, rather than to directly appeal to men. I've seen women argue that on here repeatedly and in large numbers so don't try to tell me that it's suddenly not the case. Sometimes women may dress up for a guy, and the reward for that is that the guy will be more interested in her. Paying for dinner is not part of that equation.
If I dress to go outside or go to school or whatever I'm not dressing for a man. If I went on a date with a man, however, id obviously be dressing to look good for him, and so does any other woman who is honest with herself
By "dressing" I meant, just dressing. Not dressing up. If I go outside I often wear no makeup and just throw on comfortable clothes. If I go on a date I'd put a lot more effort than that
@SarahsSummer no, I understand your point and reject it. It must be pretty easy to support this nonsense though from the other side. It's always easier to support someone else paying the price instead of yourself.
I love this. I'm a guy who believes in guys paying for the date, or at least the first one like you said. I have NO problem with this. To me it's something a guy SHOULD do. It's just gentlemanly etiquette, and I really do not see the reason for argument like all the other guys here.
Logic: It's gentlemen like. How sexist. It's 2016 gender equality has came around... paying for a woman because she is a woman? How sexist can you be lol. If you have nothing to offer... fine pay for her... for us guys who don't rely on money to attract women... well I'm saving that shit up for something useful.
I believe in paying too, but I don't like it when a girl demands that especially in this day and age when they are complaining that women aren't treated equally. I will pay for you because I am having a good time not because I have to.
@jjesica346 Sorry I'm for equality and that means spilting. If you're a "old school traditional" women meaning free loading off a man, cooking/cleaning, and giving you're man sex when commands, congrats. But the young generation are changing the sexist ways!
@Kuqezi First of all sweet. Society is not equal on several aspects of the world we are in!!! This doesn't have anything to do w equality for women and deep down you know this! Do you think that woman should surprise her man w a ring and a proposal? Or maybe you would like be stuck in a nine month gestational commitment? You have you lines set to where as its beneficial for you. Secondly, I make my own money! Thirdly, if a guy asks a girl out, why would he put him self out there just to look like a buster?
@jjesica346 It's all about equality. It's mostly older gen. Women who think like yourself, Wanting equality only when it benefits them. Women my age and younger are all for splitting (many young girls in the comments owning the oldies) If a girl wants to propose or buy a ring I wouldn't mind lol and how's a guy a buster for wanting to be treated as an equal not a doormat?
Why should we pay for womenn? And we are arguing because we are sick of double standards with women. It is all about what suits them. Sorry doesn't work like that.
@jjesica346 Lol i dont make much? I'm 19 i'm about to go to university for gods sake lol. Logic hurts doesn't it? It makes you want to throw silly insults because your bitter? Lol. Start paying for your own shit if you are really strong independent women. Gender equality is for both sexes.
@Kuqezi The fact that she is no longer arguing with you means she's older and knows what she's talking about and understands that it's a waste of time to argue with younger inexperienced people. Isn't that right? @jessica346
@Jamesol1 omg you said earlier that spending money on a date is a waste of money and that you do fine freeloading basically. Do you... do you!! I'm really referring to grown men anyways honey. I'm not bitter, I just don't deal w men that can't demonstrate proper behavior.
@mistixs Studies don't mean much in the real world. I think he means that women focus on looks more in ways that men really don't. Women judge looks in each other where men really wouldn't care. People also say that women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl. If that's really true it would mean women are more visual. That said, I would agree that women judge looks more than men.
@jjesica346 splitting the bill is such a shocking thing to some women. The entitlement is pathetic. But a lot of women are happy to split... those women are worth a mans time. There are plenty out there.
The problem is the lack of reciprocation, you do all of this because she is "traditional" but she is only traditional as it applies to what you are giving her. I am a traditional minded man I do believe in paying for dates but if she is not giving anything in return then I see no point in doing so. I'm not a paycheck nor a tool their must be reciprocation and women like this do not reciprocate so now you have paid for everything you have done everything she asks of you then what? She asks more all the while you have not gotten anything out of the relationship except a much lighter wallet and a lot less free time. That is not a fair exchange.
@hellionthesage she pays much more time money and energy into her physical appearance. Men get much more pleasure out of gazing at beautiful people, so paying for dates is actually reciprocation in itself to women's working on their beauty
@mistixs Nope. He has to buy expensive clothing and suits, he has to pay for his hair gel (quite common currently) he has to pay for his grooming products (razors after shave cologne) he has to pay for his gym membership so that he can stay in shape so she will find him attractive then he has to spend hours and hours at work to make money so that she will give him the time of day, buy a car the more expensive the better so that she will stay interested in him (she isn't going to be chauffeuring him around) and then you go hey pay for the expensive date (which he had to arrange most likely by meeting her some where that costed him a lot of money like a bar or club (which generally charge women less, you know ladies nights and all) which he then had to buy her drinks their to get her to even except a date to begin with) and plan and then he pays for the gas to drive her home only to do it all over again. So no that's not correct.
@mistixs Men don't give 2 craps about expensive clothing on girls... nail polish... makeup... Women do all those things to impress other women i think. Social media/female models have encouraged women to do those things not men. Stop seeking entitlement. Your not special. Your not worthy of a mans money if you don't want to pay for your meal... gold diggers like yourself need to be thrown off a very high place. If only.
@Jamesol1 she is obsessed with the delusion that men judge looks more then men. She won't admit it is women. This is a common fault in the female gender as is being so obsessed with looks.
@mistixs Studies show pigs can fly. Seriously though anyone can come out with that line. When it comes to hooking up I'm sure... relationship wise... if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone. I don't wear make up and some women find me attractive. So fuck it I'm not asking for much if i want a girl who is mildly attractive naturally.
@bobbyxx If you have watched love island you will know the dudes on there (show for really good looking dudes)... funnily enough watched by mostly women. Those dudes have banged 300-500 different women each. That proves being very attractive as a male gets you lots of women...
@mistixs and consistent studies show that women actually do focus on looks but they also focus on money too meaning that they will not date a good looking guy who has no money but they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either. This is fact. You want equality then be equal if you want things the way they use to be then show your devotion to the man. Men evolved to look for a woman who had good maternal instincts to ensure the survival of their offspring, that's also why they wouldn't commit to a woman who was a terrible person and why men consistently avoid relationships with women who are promiscuis. Its a whole lot more complicated then your trying to claim it is. Women gave what they had men gave what they have what you and the asker are arguing for is that the men give what he has and the woman give nothing in return. Its never worked that way and never will especially in an era where women demand special treatment but also are willing to be promiscuis.
@Jamesol1 "if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone." So you have a preference for looks. Allow women to have a preference for money.
@hellionthesage I discourage promiscuity. And most women aren't promiscuous.
@mistixs never said they where I said its more complicated then your making it out to be. Your trying to state how its biological for women to want a man to give her stuff, fine but its also in our nature to want reciprocation which is not being provided thus its perfectly within their biological desire to walk away from a woman who demands everything and gives nothing. It was a stupid argument just like your "women spend more money looking good" because that's bullshit men spend almost as much money looking good then more money paying for the date and even more on transportation and then spend their time planning etc etc etc. Your making up excuses for why women should be allowed to be shitty human beings instead of stating that women should get what they want and men should just give it to them you should try giving something in return, that's how it works their must be a fair exchange of goods and services.
@hellionthesage yes they do reciprocate. They give sex and pleasurable brain reactions in men, and men reciprocate by paying for dates.
Oh men spend as much on their appearance as women? How come there's a billion dollar beauty industry for women but not men? How come women make up 90% of people who go under the knife?
@mistixs really? So he gets sex because that's all men get? Also is she putting out on the first date? And then we run into the tricky problem of why not just get a prostitute? Becaues what your suggesting is he pays for everything and he might get sex out of it and nothing more mean while he could just take that money get a prostitute and definitely get sex instead of the maybe if she feels like it several dates down the line. So women are prostitutes and men only want sex? As for your idiotic remark, women buy make up men buy everything else, women choose to do so they are not forced however what your suggesting is that men have to in order to get a date pay for everything. Again you make stupid arguments designed to argue for why you should be treated special and men like their nothing but a paycheck. But then we have been through this discussion more times then I can count so its not suprising.
@hellionthesage actually you are incorrect, we pay waaaay more! Salons are triple in price for our hair cuts easily. We could also discuss that just face cream alone is $74 (for me) an ounce. My foundation is $55. Lol, my hair spray is $17. These are just for starters hun, so when you say you need razors and hair gel, that's about... oh say $10! lolol!!
If men have to pay for the date then we should reconsider this equality crap and maybe bring back patriarchy or similar. The way I see it is if a guy is going to pay for dates and the women decides to blow the guy off then she should reimburse the guy for he's spent... also with interest for wasting the man's time of course. This should be a good law which will stop women being money grabbers.
@jjesica346 How about the good job the care the gas etc? Also you paying that much for all of that is quite literally your fault. Go to a regular hair cutting place and you can get the same thing for 20 dollars. Same goes for all the other stuff, as for make up who are you doing it for? Its not for guys from what every woman has told me so why the hell should the man have to pay for your life style choices? That's idiotic. Might as well throw your rent in as well why not have him pay because of that? Its a stupid argument you make a choice its not the guys fault that you can't spend more wisely and even that aside it still does not entitle you to his money.
@mistixs oh and also doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean) so now we are back to square one, he gives away his money his time and his resource and gets nothing in return. Its kind of like saying how if he gives you a fifty and you give him a five its a fair exchange, it isn't and never will be.
@hellionthesage you do NOT get the same haircut anywhere you go! Yes, men are very visual... dont lie! I also use my money wisely. Instead of hobbies or concerts or whatever I could waste money on, I decide to use it on products (especially at this age). Soooooo explain this, w validity... if men aren't visual, then why do you all worship big fake boobs?
@jjesica346 Never said men where not visual, I stated it was your choice to throw that much money on things. As for "big fake boobs" most men do not, in fact the vast majority do not. The average pornstars breast size is average about 34b brunette and if you have ever seen them they are average looking girls. The fake breasts is what women think men want, men repeatedly tell women that to much make up is unattractive yet women do not listen, what you think men want and what men actually want is different. Just like how @mistixs stated men get sex from a relationship as if that is all men ever want that men do not wish to be loved or to love or to have a family or to be or have affection. Its a very shallow view of men that you and other women have. Yes men are visual but so are women and this is fact, its also fact that women have a very long list of criteria for men (lets be honest its not men saying they won't date any one under six feet or who doesn't have a good job).
@jjesica346 The fact is women want to be beautiful and they go to great lengths to do so, its not necessarily for men and this is even something women constantly claim that they don't dress provocatively for men or wear make up for men so which one is it are all of these done for men or are they done for yourself? Then ask what does he do to attract women maybe take all the risks of rejection getting rejected again and again and again, act a certain way talk a certain way be ambitious make money chauffer her around give her the money she clearly wants and in return he gets what again? See we still have the issue of the woman doing nothing for him he does all of this to attract a woman then takes all the risk then takes all of his money and she, she feels she is entitled to all of that without giving anything in return except maybe sex at some point in time (where he will do all the foreplay and he will be putting off his own pleasure to ensure hers). Its not a very good deal.
@jjesica346 As a traditionalist I believe in reciprocation, it does not have to be in the same form but it does have to take on the same quality as what I have put in and what you and others are arguing is that women should be absolved from this that by simple fact that they have a vagina they should be given preferential treatment. That's absurd.
@jjesica346 Of course we also have to factor in that long term men put so much more money into women then women have ever put into themselves that this is moot point to begin with, on average a man spends twice as much on women as women do on men, their is a reason why when a man gets into a relationship he starts budgeting himself, its because women are incredibly expensive his bills double and by extention hers gets halved. Again this is fact and we know it so I really don't understand why you would argue otherwise it seems odd to argue against what you and every other person experiences.
@hellionthesage I never said men should pay because we have vaginas, dont put words in my mouth!!! Its just what gentlemen do!!! That's it and that's that!!
@jjesica346 No its not and you know that you want them to pay you just stated that "just because" is not an answer and you know that as well as I do. I actually do pay but I have a reason beyond because she is a woman and deserves to have my money and that's the problem thus far neither you nor any other woman has provided a legitament reason for why I man should pay beyond you having a vagina. You and thus far no other woman commenting has provided a reason for why he should pay. What have you done for him what will he get in return? Everything is an exchange of goods and services yet you are stating that in this case he should simply give away what he has for nothing. That's why your claiming "that's that" because you know as well as I do that you have yet to answer that very fundamental question, if he is gentleman for paying then what are you for giving nothing in return?
I agree, I don't know why guys are complaining about this so much. this is the first date we're talking about here, being whiny like that it more of a turn-off
Lol these arguments are so shitty Some woman said she buys face cream and hair spray and what ever else lol those are everyday products and guys buy them too my shampoo and conditioner alone are $85 each If you wanna play that game i have a $55,000 car and a $38,000 truck depending on which one i drive determines how much money i spent on the date... thats how stupid you people sound talking about spending money on a date for your appearances like i said its a shot argument Can we just leave it "women please offer to pay for at least half the meal and we will be fine with that, most of us will then have no problem picking up the whole tab... just dint be a bitch and assume we need to pay for you as men"
$8&@SleepingSnorlax $170 just for clean hair... huh! Mine is only $20 each, I use Chi... just curious what brand ya use. The foundation of this discussion is primarily based upon who pays for the first date.. right? So what's up w you? Either you are a liar or the cheapest person I ever seen!!
@jjesica346 lol are you made cause a 24 year old guy pays more for his shampoo then a grown woman does? dont play dumb you know how exspensive that crap can be My point is its fucking stupid and childish of you to say that the everyday products you use determine how much you "spend" on a date Wait... why do you think men need to pay for you again? im serious i dont remember...
@Jamesol1 i mean she's giving a bad idea of how women are here if she's American Not all of them are childish like this one To me it seems like she knows thatbshes wrong but is too stubborn to say so
@ManOnFire "women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl" that's in case of casual sex not relationships, where looks are less important for women but more important for men
@hellionthesage "they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either" Actually it happens all the time
"doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean)" men usually get more pleasure from sex than women.
And no, most women don't get much pleasurable brain activity from hot men. Men are more "visual" in that sense
by the way "RECIPROCATION" WHAT DO WOMEN GET IN RECIPROCATION FOR GESTATION THE MAN'S CHILD? When I made a post about men paying the financial price to equalize the physical price, people freaked out
@dontknow12 are you incapable of getting your own pleasurable brain reactions from gazing at beautiful women aside from the girl you're sitting across?
Then it must be acceptable for her to wear a burqa, since you're capable of getting visual stimulation on your own, no?
@mistixs Listen. All you do is roam around here complaining about how women are biologically wired to seek resources. You want to play that game? Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA. Is that the kind of man you want? If not then stop using biology to justify your irrational behavior and make your own money if you want to buy stuff.
@mistixs Also no, gee their seems to be a theme amongst these I wonder what it is. The fact is women are attracted to attractive men, we all know this so why lie about it why try and pretend looks don't matter when they clearly do? As for the rest of your statement, really men get more pleasure from sex then women? Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions while the man pretty much doesn't make a sound and he gets more pleasure during sex? Wrong again. Men may want sex more but that doesn't mean he gets more pleasure from it also women want to be attractive and sexy so she gains again, see the problem with your argument? The only thing your saying women have to offer is basicly nothing. She can offer him nothing and that's why she should be paid for her time. As for birth, okay your telling me women don't want children? That they do it only for men and get nothing from it? Exactly.
@mistixs The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles, she should want to be with him for starters want to make him happy and see him as a human being instead of a tool to be used and discarded. Further more not every woman a man dates bares his children so that reasoning is, just like all your other arguments, horribly flawed. Oh a quote I can throw those out too: www.relatably.com/.../...re-women-male-society.png www.azquotes.com/.../...amille-paglia-69-69-05.jpg encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images Now what? Where back to square one if a woman does not invest in the relationship but demands that a man does she is a hyprocrit and a narcissist. It does not need to be the same type of investment (money) but she must invest because the fact of the matter is he can walk away, he can choose not to pamper you and give away what is rightfully his (and which you have no claim to).
@mistixs So be a self absorbed sexist scum bag or act like a decent human being its your choice but don't fool yourself into believing that he has to put up with you because he doesn't he can simply find some one who will actually treat him like a person instead of a tool. You are not important enough for a man to have to submit to your twisted idea of how relationships work (him being a tool and you being treated like your gods gift to the world).
@hellionthesage "Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA."
No, it is in wiring to help protect and provide for the child because it increases chance of their survival and we'll being
"Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions" Many women can't organ and even the ones that do, do so less frequently than men
"The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles" so what does SHE get in return for her troubles in bearing his child?
@mistixs Wrong person I never wrote that. Also both of you over simplified it. As for your orgasm remark its literally irrelevant since you cannot determine that, she doesn't orgasm? Really is it that or that she doesn't achieve the level of orgasm she is capable of? If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure then its irrelevant so an over simplification once again. What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy so she gains everything yet again, so again what does he get, he gets a child just like she does but then while her benefits continue (housing protection money etc etc etc) his stops right their plus lets be honest she will continue to be exploitive and selfish and treat him like crap (at least according to women like you), so again its not a very fair deal, its exchanging 50 dollars for a five and claiming its even.
@hellionthesage "If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure" you think it's possible for an anorgasmic person to have more pleasure than an orgasmic?
"What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy"
But people keep saying that this should no longer be
@mistixs Your misunderstanding, your stating it as if a mans orgasm was the same as a womans orgasm and it isn't. If a race car and a minivan reach max speed are they going the same speed? No. Same with an orgasm just because they both can climax doesn't mean that they climax at the same point ergo to presume that if she doesn't orgasm it must mean she doesn't feel as much pleasure as him is erroneous, no different then assumeing a race car not going max speed must be going slower then a minivan going at max speed, they peak at different points. As for the second part no, at no point did I say a man should not give something in a relationship what I said is that a woman has to give as well what your arguing is that the man give up everything he has to the woman simply because she is a woman that's the part people are disagreeing with its that she is giving nothing in return, why is this difficult for you to understand, in all things he has given more then she has, she has simply
@mistixs stood by passively accepting all that he has to give while giving nothing in return, you claim she gives him sex but he also gives her sex and is socially pressured into ensuring her pleasure before his thus he is giving more in that situation, you say she gives him children yet she herself is getting a child so she is still benefiting meanwhile he is giving everything with minimal benefit he is investing in her so much time energy and money and she is giving nothing back, that's a bad investment if you invest in something you do so with the intent of a return, yet what you are arguing is that her mere existence should be return enough. It isn't. Just as his mere presents does not entitle him to sex your mere presents does not entitle you to his money that he earned that he worked for put energy into time into acquiring. It does not work that way any woman that wishes to be a leach is not worth a mans time. She must contribute in some fashion beyond existing
@mistixs otherwise he has no reason to be with you, he can get sex either for free if he picks up women or from a prostitute for less money, no commitment and since he is paying she is focused on his pleasure and so is he making it theoreticly a much more pleasurable experience. He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman. See what you are arguing for is simply not in his interest to do, he can achieve all of what you said with a higher level of satisifaction and more cheaply by not going with the woman who simply uses him. That is why you contribute instead of being a leach because if you do not provide something then you have no value and he can go elsewhere and since your the one arguing for why you should be allowed to function like a parasite your the one who loses because you are dependent on him. That's why traditionally women actually respected loved and cared for their husbands, it was their way of contributing.
@hellionthesage "He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman." Actually it costs money to adopt
It's fine if you want to pay for the first date, but men shouldn't be forced to just because they're guys. I strongly disagree that paying for the first date is something a guy "SHOULD do". This isn't the bloody 1950's.
@mistixs Yes it does but the fact is once its done he doesn't have to worry about her divorcing him and taking away his child, he doesn't have to worry about a woman taking what he has rightfully earned as her own simply because she has a vagina and he doesn't. The fact remains he gives a lot, if you do not give anything in return then why would he waste his time with you? You are just as obligated to invest in the relationship as he does he can walk away at any time.
@jjesica346 Most guys do not convulse uncontrollably for ten minutes while screaming at the top of their lungs, its usually very quit and no spasmings. I think that's pretty evident.
@hellionthesage oh come the fuck off that, you watch porn no doubt. Unless the man is huge or the woman puts on a fake ass show, there is no screaming!! Ten mins? Uh no, dont think so boom boom! Most men (that I've been w) make noises when they orgasm, no not fuckin screaming, just loud grunting of some sort.
@jjesica346 Well I haven't had sex with men so I don't know that and I also know that it doesn't come close to a womans both in response and the simple fact that a woman has more nerve endings in her genitals then men do so this seems like an odd thing to argue about considering its so completely off topic.
@jjesica346 I did not go off topic that was mistix argument for why women should own men or what ever bullshit she is trying to push. I was merely pointing out a womans is far more intense and as I explained to her one cannot simply presume its "easily obtained" if the point of orgasm is different that doesn't mean the level of pleasure is different. Just because a race car and a minivan are going at top speed doesn't mean their the same and just because they are going at the same speed doesn't mean both have reached their max speed. Its presuming something that is not verifiable.
They want free sex. But obviously some girl is dumb enough to give them effortless sex with no commitment or even no pampering. 😂😂😂😂 but they are bitter so they can't be getting too much.
@Kuqezi You're such a fucking idiot. A stay at home wife or mom is already fulfilling her part. In the end, it's up to both partners to determine what's right for them. Not some lazy, feminist fool.
I think whoever asks for the date should pay. Generally I have no problem paying for the first date but once I had a girl who was straight up taking advantage of me. Even though I asked her for the date, she showed up high and drunk and was like I'm gonna need you to buy my drinks as I bought some weed today, red flag #1. Then she was getting mixed drinks and shots which made my bill end up being $40.
The bigger red flag was that she straight up volunteered her sexual history to me when I didn't even ask. Talk about too much information.
But bottom line is when it comes to paying, it's gotta be 50/50.
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Fail take lmao. You are a pathetic spoiled brat. You aren't entitled to a mans money. If a guy doesn't want to pay for YOUR freaking meal then he doesn't have to. At all. It is so sexist to think otherwise. I believe in equal rights. Women aren't superior so a man shouldn't have to pay for you just because you're a woman. Pay for your own freaking meal !! I pay for mine all the time.
Equal rights? Then if women have to fight against their financial orientation, then men equally have to fight against their visual orientation, and be OK with dating ugly chicks.
@mistixs we'll date whoever we want and we'll dump the entitled, spoiled brats who are empty shells and think their appearance, their presence, their vagina is enough. those women are boring AS FUCK and should be avoided at all costs, and ALWAYS END UP ALONE.
@mistixs nope, no basis for that in our discourse. Thus it must be projection. Interesting that's the first none "blah blah appearance blah" remark you've made though.
I hope you wouldn't show up in cheap clothes, cheap perfume and a 10 year old Honda because it would be screaming that you're not even close to me financially either and so the gold digger bells would be ringing.
That being said, i don't consider $40 to be worth rocking the boat out in the real world.
To tell you the truth my ex was the guy who never paid on dates... he kinda used me and as a blind fool I did let him treat me like a trash. Well, at that time I was young and immature... but now I know what it really means when a guy acts like a miser!!!
Notice how many guys agree when a someone says that they like to pay for themselves. This right here is why you guys are on GAG right now and not on a date.
@Botchie Does it really matter seriously? Don't go to costly restaurants then no girl expects that! I'm fine with even just coffee it doesn't matter. I just think a guy should pick up a tab it's a nice gesture.
@yellowgirl00d I don't mind picking up the tab at all if she makes me feel desired and isn't just using me. I felt so used in college with how many girls wanted to just go on one date, not even offer to pay, then never contact me again. I completely agree it's a nice gesture, just make sure that gesture is appreciated.
@Botchie Tbh I didn't even know there were girls that existed who are willing to waste their time just for some food that's actually stupid. But don't worry there are girls out there (like me) who will appreciate the gesture.
@yellowgirl00d Thanks! Appreciation goes so far with the right guy. Makes him willing to spend stupid amounts of money, like I did for my ex, on the right girl. It also doesn't make spending money feel like a chore. Could you imagine spending money or time on someone who didn't care for you equally?
@Botchie I couldn't spend money on someone who doesn't care about me but that's the thing no normal girl wants you to spend stupid amounts of money on her! If she's really a good girl then she's fine with spending less money. Personally I never want anyone to buy costly things for me I think it's wrong.
@yellowgirl00d I'm just talking about things like going to theme parks, weekend vacations and stuff like that. The $100 to $200 price range. But once or twice a month. This would be in addition to paying for dates.
Tbh for those kinds of stuff I would like to pay half the price. It's dates that I like being paid for but for those kinds of costly stuff it's pretty normal to split.
my girlfriend is at work... I could be "dating" if i wanted. my typical "date" is calling a friend, telling her i'm available tonight-driving TO her house, taking her to the liquor store, buying some booze, going back to her house, drinking, fucking for a couple hours, thanking her for paying for my gas to come there. That was the last "date" i had before getting serious with one of them... upon getting serious, I treat her, she treats me... etc... just like on the dates I had. I don't date entitled spoiled brats.
1. So the guy has to make an effort, but the girl doesn't. 2. So you're expecting the guy to carry you financially since you haven't given him an indication that you're willing/able to pay for things 3. Fair enough, but it works both ways 4. Traditionally women stayed and home and didn't work. You can't just cherry pick to keep the parts gender inequality that happen to be convinient to you
Any woman who agrees with this loses the right to use the phrase "male privilege" for life. If you want equality you can't walk all over us.
That's funny. Every time I pay for the first date, the girl "ghosts" me. It seems to me that a lot of women like to get that "Free Food".
I'd rather pay for the second date to see if the girl is serious or not about seeing me again during the first date.
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Just because you're a woman, doesn't make you special. When I invite you to the date, when I pay for you, etc., you're on MY TIME! My time is just as valuable as yours. Women have their priorities fucked up these days and think they are entitled to shit. You're not entitled to anything.
And number 4 on your list pisses me off as well. Tradition? Tradition to pay for you? In the olden days, women were stay at home moms and the day men were the workers and breadwinners. Obviously, since women weren't working, they weren't making money. So, it was up to the man to pay for his wife whenever they went out and did something.
We live in 2016. Men work. Women work. We all work. We all make money. We all have financial struggles.
To continue to put pressure on the man to pay for shit... that's just not acceptable anymore.
Women scream equality, but they try to hold on to antiquated/shitty "traditional" ways, just to get out of paying for shit. If you want equality, PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT... just a like man does!
Huge sweeping generalization to say "tradition" means "entitlement", and incorrect at best. It's pretty simple - if I ask a girl out, whether it's for coffee, ice cream, a ball game, a concert, lunch, dinner or whatever, I"M paying for it !! I asked HER, she didn't ask ME ! Most of you guys who don't want to do that are either choosing the wrong girls because you're not sure of their character (i. e. they "might" be trying for a free meal?) or you're just cheap asses. If she offers to pay half, I'll smile and appreciate it, but the date is on me, the ASKER. If she asked me, different story. I asked, I pay. Simple, and it's correct. Where did your mother's fail you guys? LOL
For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well. Women are now beginning to earn MORE than Men and will continue to do so.
@mistixs, Women want Social Equality like Men. Men are not asking for Equality of ANY sort. Men want women as they are but Women want to change their Men. Why do you want to change Men?
@mistixs, So women want equality to Men without the responsibilities? Now, you are saying that its not fair for Women to continue spending on their appearance. Perhaps women should have thought about the long term repercussions of "Equality" 50 years ago! Phyllis Schlafly was one woman that did! Watch the video below. Start at 2 min. 46 seconds.
Are you gonna start paying up? Are men going to start getting plastic surgery 9x as much as they do now, to catch up with women, who are so burdened with appearance concerns? Are they going to spend millions of dollars on a beauty industry to feel decent looking?
Yes, you ARE seeking equality with women RIGHT NOW.
So you better get under the knife.
Anyway, I already know about Phyllis Schlafly, and I already disagreed with the Equal Rights Amendment. Phyllis Schlafly got enough women on her side to WIN in opposing the ERA. Obviously that shows that a considerable number of women fought against "equality" if they were able to DEFEAT the ERA.
@mistixs, Getting under the knife? What you appear to asking for is the Emasculation of Men... which is something that Men have never demanded. The last I heard, Women find this unattractive. So, I'm going to say NO to your demand.
@mistixs, NO. Please read my original post, "For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well."
Men typically pay for dates. Dating is both economical and sociial. Women fought for economic and social equality. Therefore, women should start paying up for dates... like MEN!
As for Plastic Surgery, I agree with that. There is a tread of more Men seeking plastic surgery. As for myself, no.
@mistixs Anyone who gets plastic surgery is an absolute moron. No one is forcing you 'ladies' (I use this term loosely) to "go under the knife." Sorry but this is just retarded logic. You are just another entitled parasite who doesn't want to take any responsibility.
I hate when people pay for me at all, and that's my friends and family. I would feel worse letting a complete stranger pay for me. The first date definitely should be when a couple splits. You're just getting to know each other, and that's when you both should be making an effort. Why should someone that you don't know pay for you?
Yes because appearance should be the only important thing. That's definitely a major sense of entitlement right there. Expect a guy to have to pay for her just because she looks pretty. You can't coast through life on looks.
@Hopefuldreamer8 exactly-she's an entitled brat, an empty shell of a person with a mask on that she thinks is worth $ lol... she's got a rude awakening ahead in the world.. all she offers as a claim of what women HAVE to offer is looks-which is pathetic and sad.
1. Sex in return. If not, then you can always pay for a prostitute instead. 2. Agreed. 3. Yes? 4. Yep, women like her are all yours: You can always send them to the kitchen to make you food and sandwiches, make them clean the house, wash your clothes and demand sex from them whenever YOU want to regardless how she feels because. She. Is. Yours. Traditional.
@Unit1 1. If sex is what they're giving , what's the differencw between them and prostitutes. You pay them you get sex. You pay for dinner you het sex. Close enough.
3. If I am paying for my food am I pampering myself? No, I need it to live.
4. Guess she is only traditional where its beneficial for her.
I'll always pay for a first date even if 5 of them turn out to be b*tches, the 6th will be awesome and it's nice to maintain a habit of being courteous. Anyway, this is my choice and not her right. Also if the girl keeps yapping about feminism I'm 100% making sure we split the check.
Guys pretty much always ask them and not the other way around. Girls expect guys to ask them out, girls expect guys to pay. Guys expect pussy... and don't get it? OH THAT'S FAIR.
@tyrantfuryre Paying for dinner doesn't entitle you to pussy. Girls are berated for sleeping around, guys aren't, so they have to be more careful whom they sleep with.
@tyrantfuryre If you asked her out, it entitles her to dinner. Even otherwise you don't HAVE to pay but then don't be mad when she walks away, it isn't an ideal world.
@tyrantfuryre I just don't see what the big deal in paying for dinner is. It's not that much lol. Educate me then, you're 12 years older... I can learn.
This girl is talking about believing in equality but only wants the benefits of it also she's put a price on herself, that's being used. Using the gentleman exuse, is being used.
I don't necessarily agree with you. The way I see it, it depends on who asked who out. And if I'm the one who asked him out then I feel I should pay, and not the other way around.
@alfonsosloan45 Women don't ask because men ask them more often then not. Also women fear rejection... so do us men... but they can get away with not having to approach men without dieing alone lol.
Every time I pay for a date it either ends with men trying to use me and screw me. And all the times I never paid for the date, it seems a different type of guy. I mean yeah he still wants to screw me, but it's never really on the first date. It after getting to know each other And we agree to work on something serious. Most of the time it's me hinting at the start of the sexual relationship.
Honestly I never did a split check or Dutch. Maybe it will have a different outcome.
I USE to do it. Or skip a date all together and sex or fell for the netflix and chill. But now i know better. That way only attracts bums or disrespectful men or men who think u are so dumb that they can use u for pussy and money. They think u low grade. Now I've never gave a man money but i have went dutch on shit. Doing things the traditional way actually attracts quality men and even if they not quality they will still wine and dine u.
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The first 3 points also work the other way you know. They're not a good attempt to justify this. As for you being traditional, I see that word thrown around a lot by women by like 95% of them are nowhere near 'traditional' so cut that line of bs out of the equation and just admit that you like when a guy pays for you because you are selfish.
The first date is the absolute worst time to expect a guy to pay. Nobody owes anyone anything on a first date. Chances are you don't even know the other person. High likelihood of flaking, ghosting or simply rejecting a second date. Why should we invest against the odds if you're not willing to?
At this point I'd almost prefer to be flash frozen for a thousand years like Philip J Fry just so I don't have to deal with backward, entitled idiots.
Women DO invest against the odds. They spend lots of time, money and energy in their physical appearance
@mistixs That is a choice that they make. It has no bearing on who should pay for dinner. And if you ask women who women dress up for, you will get the response that it is in large part a result of competition with other women, rather than to directly appeal to men. I've seen women argue that on here repeatedly and in large numbers so don't try to tell me that it's suddenly not the case. Sometimes women may dress up for a guy, and the reward for that is that the guy will be more interested in her. Paying for dinner is not part of that equation.
If I dress to go outside or go to school or whatever I'm not dressing for a man. If I went on a date with a man, however, id obviously be dressing to look good for him, and so does any other woman who is honest with herself
@mistixs what is the difference if you already dress up just to go outside? Seriously, it hardly counts if you were gonna do it anyways.
@mistixs and as I said, the reward for dressing nice is that your date is more interested in you. It has nothing to do with who pays.
By "dressing" I meant, just dressing. Not dressing up. If I go outside I often wear no makeup and just throw on comfortable clothes. If I go on a date I'd put a lot more effort than that
@mistixs still missing the point
Yes tyber1 you are completely missing the point.
@SarahsSummer no, I understand your point and reject it. It must be pretty easy to support this nonsense though from the other side. It's always easier to support someone else paying the price instead of yourself.
I love this. I'm a guy who believes in guys paying for the date, or at least the first one like you said. I have NO problem with this. To me it's something a guy SHOULD do. It's just gentlemanly etiquette, and I really do not see the reason for argument like all the other guys here.
This girl is an idiot, I feel sorry for whatever man ends up with her.
Logic: It's gentlemen like. How sexist. It's 2016 gender equality has came around... paying for a woman because she is a woman? How sexist can you be lol. If you have nothing to offer... fine pay for her... for us guys who don't rely on money to attract women... well I'm saving that shit up for something useful.
Nah i always pay for girls but i wouldn't pay for a chick thats this crude / rude
I kinda agree with you ManOnFire
I believe in paying too, but I don't like it when a girl demands that especially in this day and age when they are complaining that women aren't treated equally. I will pay for you because I am having a good time not because I have to.
@Jamesol1 you must not make much if you can't afford dinner, lol.
@jjesica346 Nothing logical to say?
@Kuqezi its logical to say dinner doesn't break the bank... baby!
@jjesica346 It's logical to say I'm not a free loader lol
@jjesica346 Then why do you judge a guy's financial status based on that
@Kuqezi your a free loader if you expect a date when you have the 2 for one coupon and say "CAN WE GO DUTCH"?
@jjesica346 Sorry I'm for equality and that means spilting. If you're a "old school traditional" women meaning free loading off a man, cooking/cleaning, and giving you're man sex when commands, congrats. But the young generation are changing the sexist ways!
@Kuqezi First of all sweet. Society is not equal on several aspects of the world we are in!!! This doesn't have anything to do w equality for women and deep down you know this! Do you think that woman should surprise her man w a ring and a proposal? Or maybe you would like be stuck in a nine month gestational commitment? You have you lines set to where as its beneficial for you. Secondly, I make my own money! Thirdly, if a guy asks a girl out, why would he put him self out there just to look like a buster?
@jjesica346 It's all about equality. It's mostly older gen. Women who think like yourself, Wanting equality only when it benefits them. Women my age and younger are all for splitting (many young girls in the comments owning the oldies) If a girl wants to propose or buy a ring I wouldn't mind lol and how's a guy a buster for wanting to be treated as an equal not a doormat?
@Kuqezi because women would laugh at this shit!
You know what? I think I'm gonna write my own Take on this.
Why should we pay for womenn? And we are arguing because we are sick of double standards with women. It is all about what suits them. Sorry doesn't work like that.
@bobbyxx YOU have a double standard.
Women evolved to seek mates who could provide for them. Men evolved to seek mates who were beautiful.
If women have to fight against theit evolved instincts then so should men. Go give an ugly woman a chance.
Or how about we let people keep their preferences?
@semiDarkknight I never implied that,
@jjesica346 Lol i dont make much? I'm 19 i'm about to go to university for gods sake lol. Logic hurts doesn't it? It makes you want to throw silly insults because your bitter? Lol. Start paying for your own shit if you are really strong independent women. Gender equality is for both sexes.
@jjesica346 Pathetic brainless would laugh.
@Jamesol1 Isn't funny that the young are schooling the old in here?
@Kuqezi The fact that she is no longer arguing with you means she's older and knows what she's talking about and understands that it's a waste of time to argue with younger inexperienced people. Isn't that right? @jessica346
Damnit. Meant @jjesica346
@Jamesol1 omg you said earlier that spending money on a date is a waste of money and that you do fine freeloading basically. Do you... do you!! I'm really referring to grown men anyways honey. I'm not bitter, I just don't deal w men that can't demonstrate proper behavior.
@Kuqezi yes the brainless are laughing
@mistixs who asked you. And women judge looks more than men.
@bobbyxx consistent studies show that men focus more on looks than women. Have you never heard the phrase "men are visual"?
@mistixs Studies don't mean much in the real world. I think he means that women focus on looks more in ways that men really don't. Women judge looks in each other where men really wouldn't care. People also say that women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl. If that's really true it would mean women are more visual. That said, I would agree that women judge looks more than men.
Exactly!
@jjesica346 ''This doesn't have anything to do w equality for women and deep down you know this! '' You don't know what equality means do you?
@jjesica346 splitting the bill is such a shocking thing to some women. The entitlement is pathetic. But a lot of women are happy to split... those women are worth a mans time. There are plenty out there.
The problem is the lack of reciprocation, you do all of this because she is "traditional" but she is only traditional as it applies to what you are giving her. I am a traditional minded man I do believe in paying for dates but if she is not giving anything in return then I see no point in doing so. I'm not a paycheck nor a tool their must be reciprocation and women like this do not reciprocate so now you have paid for everything you have done everything she asks of you then what? She asks more all the while you have not gotten anything out of the relationship except a much lighter wallet and a lot less free time. That is not a fair exchange.
@hellionthesage she pays much more time money and energy into her physical appearance. Men get much more pleasure out of gazing at beautiful people, so paying for dates is actually reciprocation in itself to women's working on their beauty
@mistixs Nope. He has to buy expensive clothing and suits, he has to pay for his hair gel (quite common currently) he has to pay for his grooming products (razors after shave cologne) he has to pay for his gym membership so that he can stay in shape so she will find him attractive then he has to spend hours and hours at work to make money so that she will give him the time of day, buy a car the more expensive the better so that she will stay interested in him (she isn't going to be chauffeuring him around) and then you go hey pay for the expensive date (which he had to arrange most likely by meeting her some where that costed him a lot of money like a bar or club (which generally charge women less, you know ladies nights and all) which he then had to buy her drinks their to get her to even except a date to begin with) and plan and then he pays for the gas to drive her home only to do it all over again. So no that's not correct.
@mistixs Men don't give 2 craps about expensive clothing on girls... nail polish... makeup... Women do all those things to impress other women i think. Social media/female models have encouraged women to do those things not men. Stop seeking entitlement. Your not special. Your not worthy of a mans money if you don't want to pay for your meal... gold diggers like yourself need to be thrown off a very high place. If only.
@Jamesol1 studies show that it's men who have a bias for women who wear makeup, whereas women don't care
@Jamesol1 she is obsessed with the delusion that men judge looks more then men. She won't admit it is women. This is a common fault in the female gender as is being so obsessed with looks.
@mistixs Studies show pigs can fly. Seriously though anyone can come out with that line. When it comes to hooking up I'm sure... relationship wise... if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone. I don't wear make up and some women find me attractive. So fuck it I'm not asking for much if i want a girl who is mildly attractive naturally.
@bobbyxx If you have watched love island you will know the dudes on there (show for really good looking dudes)... funnily enough watched by mostly women. Those dudes have banged 300-500 different women each. That proves being very attractive as a male gets you lots of women...
@mistixs and consistent studies show that women actually do focus on looks but they also focus on money too meaning that they will not date a good looking guy who has no money but they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either. This is fact. You want equality then be equal if you want things the way they use to be then show your devotion to the man. Men evolved to look for a woman who had good maternal instincts to ensure the survival of their offspring, that's also why they wouldn't commit to a woman who was a terrible person and why men consistently avoid relationships with women who are promiscuis. Its a whole lot more complicated then your trying to claim it is. Women gave what they had men gave what they have what you and the asker are arguing for is that the men give what he has and the woman give nothing in return. Its never worked that way and never will especially in an era where women demand special treatment but also are willing to be promiscuis.
@Jamesol1 "if she looks worse without make up or very different... I'm gone." So you have a preference for looks. Allow women to have a preference for money.
@hellionthesage I discourage promiscuity. And most women aren't promiscuous.
@mistixs never said they where I said its more complicated then your making it out to be. Your trying to state how its biological for women to want a man to give her stuff, fine but its also in our nature to want reciprocation which is not being provided thus its perfectly within their biological desire to walk away from a woman who demands everything and gives nothing. It was a stupid argument just like your "women spend more money looking good" because that's bullshit men spend almost as much money looking good then more money paying for the date and even more on transportation and then spend their time planning etc etc etc. Your making up excuses for why women should be allowed to be shitty human beings instead of stating that women should get what they want and men should just give it to them you should try giving something in return, that's how it works their must be a fair exchange of goods and services.
@hellionthesage yes they do reciprocate. They give sex and pleasurable brain reactions in men, and men reciprocate by paying for dates.
Oh men spend as much on their appearance as women? How come there's a billion dollar beauty industry for women but not men? How come women make up 90% of people who go under the knife?
@mistixs really? So he gets sex because that's all men get? Also is she putting out on the first date? And then we run into the tricky problem of why not just get a prostitute? Becaues what your suggesting is he pays for everything and he might get sex out of it and nothing more mean while he could just take that money get a prostitute and definitely get sex instead of the maybe if she feels like it several dates down the line. So women are prostitutes and men only want sex? As for your idiotic remark, women buy make up men buy everything else, women choose to do so they are not forced however what your suggesting is that men have to in order to get a date pay for everything. Again you make stupid arguments designed to argue for why you should be treated special and men like their nothing but a paycheck. But then we have been through this discussion more times then I can count so its not suprising.
@hellionthesage actually you are incorrect, we pay waaaay more! Salons are triple in price for our hair cuts easily. We could also discuss that just face cream alone is $74 (for me) an ounce. My foundation is $55. Lol, my hair spray is $17. These are just for starters hun, so when you say you need razors and hair gel, that's about... oh say $10! lolol!!
If men have to pay for the date then we should reconsider this equality crap and maybe bring back patriarchy or similar. The way I see it is if a guy is going to pay for dates and the women decides to blow the guy off then she should reimburse the guy for he's spent... also with interest for wasting the man's time of course. This should be a good law which will stop women being money grabbers.
Feminism is narcissism people.
@jjesica346 How about the good job the care the gas etc? Also you paying that much for all of that is quite literally your fault. Go to a regular hair cutting place and you can get the same thing for 20 dollars. Same goes for all the other stuff, as for make up who are you doing it for? Its not for guys from what every woman has told me so why the hell should the man have to pay for your life style choices? That's idiotic. Might as well throw your rent in as well why not have him pay because of that? Its a stupid argument you make a choice its not the guys fault that you can't spend more wisely and even that aside it still does not entitle you to his money.
@mistixs oh and also doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean) so now we are back to square one, he gives away his money his time and his resource and gets nothing in return. Its kind of like saying how if he gives you a fifty and you give him a five its a fair exchange, it isn't and never will be.
@hellionthesage you do NOT get the same haircut anywhere you go! Yes, men are very visual... dont lie! I also use my money wisely. Instead of hobbies or concerts or whatever I could waste money on, I decide to use it on products (especially at this age). Soooooo explain this, w validity... if men aren't visual, then why do you all worship big fake boobs?
@jjesica346 i dont worship big fake boobs...
@jjesica346 Never said men where not visual, I stated it was your choice to throw that much money on things. As for "big fake boobs" most men do not, in fact the vast majority do not. The average pornstars breast size is average about 34b brunette and if you have ever seen them they are average looking girls. The fake breasts is what women think men want, men repeatedly tell women that to much make up is unattractive yet women do not listen, what you think men want and what men actually want is different. Just like how @mistixs stated men get sex from a relationship as if that is all men ever want that men do not wish to be loved or to love or to have a family or to be or have affection. Its a very shallow view of men that you and other women have. Yes men are visual but so are women and this is fact, its also fact that women have a very long list of criteria for men (lets be honest its not men saying they won't date any one under six feet or who doesn't have a good job).
@jjesica346 The fact is women want to be beautiful and they go to great lengths to do so, its not necessarily for men and this is even something women constantly claim that they don't dress provocatively for men or wear make up for men so which one is it are all of these done for men or are they done for yourself? Then ask what does he do to attract women maybe take all the risks of rejection getting rejected again and again and again, act a certain way talk a certain way be ambitious make money chauffer her around give her the money she clearly wants and in return he gets what again? See we still have the issue of the woman doing nothing for him he does all of this to attract a woman then takes all the risk then takes all of his money and she, she feels she is entitled to all of that without giving anything in return except maybe sex at some point in time (where he will do all the foreplay and he will be putting off his own pleasure to ensure hers). Its not a very good deal.
@jjesica346 As a traditionalist I believe in reciprocation, it does not have to be in the same form but it does have to take on the same quality as what I have put in and what you and others are arguing is that women should be absolved from this that by simple fact that they have a vagina they should be given preferential treatment. That's absurd.
@jjesica346 Of course we also have to factor in that long term men put so much more money into women then women have ever put into themselves that this is moot point to begin with, on average a man spends twice as much on women as women do on men, their is a reason why when a man gets into a relationship he starts budgeting himself, its because women are incredibly expensive his bills double and by extention hers gets halved. Again this is fact and we know it so I really don't understand why you would argue otherwise it seems odd to argue against what you and every other person experiences.
@hellionthesage I never said men should pay because we have vaginas, dont put words in my mouth!!! Its just what gentlemen do!!! That's it and that's that!!
@jjesica346 No its not and you know that you want them to pay you just stated that "just because" is not an answer and you know that as well as I do. I actually do pay but I have a reason beyond because she is a woman and deserves to have my money and that's the problem thus far neither you nor any other woman has provided a legitament reason for why I man should pay beyond you having a vagina. You and thus far no other woman commenting has provided a reason for why he should pay. What have you done for him what will he get in return? Everything is an exchange of goods and services yet you are stating that in this case he should simply give away what he has for nothing. That's why your claiming "that's that" because you know as well as I do that you have yet to answer that very fundamental question, if he is gentleman for paying then what are you for giving nothing in return?
@hellionthesage its like she's saying you have to pay her for her time
Lol sorry just poking the bear to see how long this will go on 😂
That's because you're a one sided person who thinks that your opinion is valid and others are not. Your opinion means nothing to me, editor or not.
I agree, I don't know why guys are complaining about this so much. this is the first date we're talking about here, being whiny like that it more of a turn-off
Lol these arguments are so shitty
Some woman said she buys face cream and hair spray and what ever else lol those are everyday products and guys buy them too my shampoo and conditioner alone are $85 each
If you wanna play that game i have a $55,000 car and a $38,000 truck depending on which one i drive determines how much money i spent on the date... thats how stupid you people sound talking about spending money on a date for your appearances like i said its a shot argument
Can we just leave it "women please offer to pay for at least half the meal and we will be fine with that, most of us will then have no problem picking up the whole tab... just dint be a bitch and assume we need to pay for you as men"
@arineunha Yah, because you're a girl and looking for free shit, so it's easy for you to say this. Another one sided person, shocker.
$8&@SleepingSnorlax $170 just for clean hair... huh! Mine is only $20 each, I use Chi... just curious what brand ya use. The foundation of this discussion is primarily based upon who pays for the first date.. right? So what's up w you? Either you are a liar or the cheapest person I ever seen!!
@jjesica346 lol are you made cause a 24 year old guy pays more for his shampoo then a grown woman does?
dont play dumb you know how exspensive that crap can be
My point is its fucking stupid and childish of you to say that the everyday products you use determine how much you "spend" on a date
Wait... why do you think men need to pay for you again? im serious i dont remember...
@SleepingSnorlax In the UK women are different... i worry for you guys in the US there is a big trend of overweight stupid feminsts over there.
@Jamesol1 i mean she's giving a bad idea of how women are here if she's American
Not all of them are childish like this one
To me it seems like she knows thatbshes wrong but is too stubborn to say so
@ManOnFire "women wouldn't want to fuck an ugly man but a guy would fuck an ugly girl" that's in case of casual sex not relationships, where looks are less important for women but more important for men
@hellionthesage "they won't be dating an ugly guy with money either" Actually it happens all the time
"doesn't the man give the woman sex as well? and pleasurable brain activity (what ever the hell that's suppose to mean)" men usually get more pleasure from sex than women.
And no, most women don't get much pleasurable brain activity from hot men. Men are more "visual" in that sense
by the way "RECIPROCATION" WHAT DO WOMEN GET IN RECIPROCATION FOR GESTATION THE MAN'S CHILD? When I made a post about men paying the financial price to equalize the physical price, people freaked out
@Mrwoo99 "If men have to pay for the date..."
If women have to put more effort into looking good for dates...
"then we should reconsider this equality crap and maybe bring back patriarchy or similar."
Why not matriarchy?
Also @hellionthesage "the birthpangs make men debtors to women" - teddy roosevelt
@mistixs Are you incapable of making your own money?
@dontknow12 are you incapable of getting your own pleasurable brain reactions from gazing at beautiful women aside from the girl you're sitting across?
Then it must be acceptable for her to wear a burqa, since you're capable of getting visual stimulation on your own, no?
@mistixs You're gonna die alone lmao
@mistixs Listen. All you do is roam around here complaining about how women are biologically wired to seek resources. You want to play that game? Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA. Is that the kind of man you want? If not then stop using biology to justify your irrational behavior and make your own money if you want to buy stuff.
@mistixs Wrong as per usual: www.northwestern.edu/.../partners.html
www.cracked.com/...s-men-according-to-science.html
news.stanford.edu/.../dating-082405.html
Women want good looking guys as much as guys want good looking women, proven fact, its just that money is also desired by women (and height) both of which are irrelevant to a mans attraction. Don't believe me then please explain to me why the male celebrities women love all happen to have chisled jaw lines and six packs? If we look at romance novel (written by women for woman and read by women, its also the most read genre so a lot of women read them) what do you think the men are going to look like? Do you think their going to be okay looking, maybe a little fat or balding but with good personalities? Well lets see: https://www.covercafe.com/images/BTSCB/WTG/wtg2.jpg
Nope, how about this one: www.fabioinc.com/Bookcover_Shots/CHAMPIONLG.jpg
No again, how about this one: momentummoonlight.com/.../back.png
@mistixs Also no, gee their seems to be a theme amongst these I wonder what it is. The fact is women are attracted to attractive men, we all know this so why lie about it why try and pretend looks don't matter when they clearly do? As for the rest of your statement, really men get more pleasure from sex then women? Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions while the man pretty much doesn't make a sound and he gets more pleasure during sex? Wrong again. Men may want sex more but that doesn't mean he gets more pleasure from it also women want to be attractive and sexy so she gains again, see the problem with your argument? The only thing your saying women have to offer is basicly nothing. She can offer him nothing and that's why she should be paid for her time. As for birth, okay your telling me women don't want children? That they do it only for men and get nothing from it? Exactly.
@mistixs The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles, she should want to be with him for starters want to make him happy and see him as a human being instead of a tool to be used and discarded. Further more not every woman a man dates bares his children so that reasoning is, just like all your other arguments, horribly flawed. Oh a quote I can throw those out too:
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Now what? Where back to square one if a woman does not invest in the relationship but demands that a man does she is a hyprocrit and a narcissist. It does not need to be the same type of investment (money) but she must invest because the fact of the matter is he can walk away, he can choose not to pamper you and give away what is rightfully his (and which you have no claim to).
@mistixs So be a self absorbed sexist scum bag or act like a decent human being its your choice but don't fool yourself into believing that he has to put up with you because he doesn't he can simply find some one who will actually treat him like a person instead of a tool. You are not important enough for a man to have to submit to your twisted idea of how relationships work (him being a tool and you being treated like your gods gift to the world).
@hellionthesage "Men are biologically wired to fuck your pussy and leave you for a better looking woman so we can spread our DNA."
No, it is in wiring to help protect and provide for the child because it increases chance of their survival and we'll being
"Despite the fact that women have more nerve endings have orgasms that result in screaming and convulsions"
Many women can't organ and even the ones that do, do so less frequently than men
"The problem is its a give and take she gets a lot from him and he should get something for his troubles" so what does SHE get in return for her troubles in bearing his child?
@mistixs Wrong person I never wrote that. Also both of you over simplified it. As for your orgasm remark its literally irrelevant since you cannot determine that, she doesn't orgasm? Really is it that or that she doesn't achieve the level of orgasm she is capable of? If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure then its irrelevant so an over simplification once again. What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy so she gains everything yet again, so again what does he get, he gets a child just like she does but then while her benefits continue (housing protection money etc etc etc) his stops right their plus lets be honest she will continue to be exploitive and selfish and treat him like crap (at least according to women like you), so again its not a very fair deal, its exchanging 50 dollars for a five and claiming its even.
@hellionthesage "If he orgasm and she doesn't but she still feels more pleasure" you think it's possible for an anorgasmic person to have more pleasure than an orgasmic?
"What does she get from child birth? A child for one thing. A house as he will inevitably pay for it and his money and his time and his energy"
But people keep saying that this should no longer be
@mistixs Your misunderstanding, your stating it as if a mans orgasm was the same as a womans orgasm and it isn't. If a race car and a minivan reach max speed are they going the same speed? No. Same with an orgasm just because they both can climax doesn't mean that they climax at the same point ergo to presume that if she doesn't orgasm it must mean she doesn't feel as much pleasure as him is erroneous, no different then assumeing a race car not going max speed must be going slower then a minivan going at max speed, they peak at different points. As for the second part no, at no point did I say a man should not give something in a relationship what I said is that a woman has to give as well what your arguing is that the man give up everything he has to the woman simply because she is a woman that's the part people are disagreeing with its that she is giving nothing in return, why is this difficult for you to understand, in all things he has given more then she has, she has simply
@mistixs stood by passively accepting all that he has to give while giving nothing in return, you claim she gives him sex but he also gives her sex and is socially pressured into ensuring her pleasure before his thus he is giving more in that situation, you say she gives him children yet she herself is getting a child so she is still benefiting meanwhile he is giving everything with minimal benefit he is investing in her so much time energy and money and she is giving nothing back, that's a bad investment if you invest in something you do so with the intent of a return, yet what you are arguing is that her mere existence should be return enough. It isn't. Just as his mere presents does not entitle him to sex your mere presents does not entitle you to his money that he earned that he worked for put energy into time into acquiring. It does not work that way any woman that wishes to be a leach is not worth a mans time. She must contribute in some fashion beyond existing
@mistixs otherwise he has no reason to be with you, he can get sex either for free if he picks up women or from a prostitute for less money, no commitment and since he is paying she is focused on his pleasure and so is he making it theoreticly a much more pleasurable experience. He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman. See what you are arguing for is simply not in his interest to do, he can achieve all of what you said with a higher level of satisifaction and more cheaply by not going with the woman who simply uses him. That is why you contribute instead of being a leach because if you do not provide something then you have no value and he can go elsewhere and since your the one arguing for why you should be allowed to function like a parasite your the one who loses because you are dependent on him. That's why traditionally women actually respected loved and cared for their husbands, it was their way of contributing.
@hellionthesage "He can adopt and then he only has to pay for one person instead of the child and the free loading woman." Actually it costs money to adopt
It's fine if you want to pay for the first date, but men shouldn't be forced to just because they're guys. I strongly disagree that paying for the first date is something a guy "SHOULD do". This isn't the bloody 1950's.
Dude, so many people commented on your answer. That's a lot of freaking comments lol, did you read them all?
@mistixs Yes it does but the fact is once its done he doesn't have to worry about her divorcing him and taking away his child, he doesn't have to worry about a woman taking what he has rightfully earned as her own simply because she has a vagina and he doesn't. The fact remains he gives a lot, if you do not give anything in return then why would he waste his time with you? You are just as obligated to invest in the relationship as he does he can walk away at any time.
@hellionthesage men dont make sounds during orgasms? Lololol you are quite different my little friend!!!
@jjesica346 Most guys do not convulse uncontrollably for ten minutes while screaming at the top of their lungs, its usually very quit and no spasmings. I think that's pretty evident.
@jjesica346 Also not really sure what "my little friend" is suppose to mean but it sounds a little condescending.
@hellionthesage oh come the fuck off that, you watch porn no doubt. Unless the man is huge or the woman puts on a fake ass show, there is no screaming!! Ten mins? Uh no, dont think so boom boom! Most men (that I've been w) make noises when they orgasm, no not fuckin screaming, just loud grunting of some sort.
@jjesica346 Well I haven't had sex with men so I don't know that and I also know that it doesn't come close to a womans both in response and the simple fact that a woman has more nerve endings in her genitals then men do so this seems like an odd thing to argue about considering its so completely off topic.
@hellionthesage your the "master" of going off of the topic. Yes, ours is stronger, buts yours is easily attainable.
@jjesica346 I did not go off topic that was mistix argument for why women should own men or what ever bullshit she is trying to push. I was merely pointing out a womans is far more intense and as I explained to her one cannot simply presume its "easily obtained" if the point of orgasm is different that doesn't mean the level of pleasure is different. Just because a race car and a minivan are going at top speed doesn't mean their the same and just because they are going at the same speed doesn't mean both have reached their max speed. Its presuming something that is not verifiable.
They want free sex. But obviously some girl is dumb enough to give them effortless sex with no commitment or even no pampering. 😂😂😂😂 but they are bitter so they can't be getting too much.
@Kuqezi You're such a fucking idiot. A stay at home wife or mom is already fulfilling her part. In the end, it's up to both partners to determine what's right for them. Not some lazy, feminist fool.
Because having a vagina means free food... yay society.
very hilarious lol
I think whoever asks for the date should pay. Generally I have no problem paying for the first date but once I had a girl who was straight up taking advantage of me. Even though I asked her for the date, she showed up high and drunk and was like I'm gonna need you to buy my drinks as I bought some weed today, red flag #1. Then she was getting mixed drinks and shots which made my bill end up being $40.
The bigger red flag was that she straight up volunteered her sexual history to me when I didn't even ask. Talk about too much information.
But bottom line is when it comes to paying, it's gotta be 50/50.
Fail take lmao. You are a pathetic spoiled brat. You aren't entitled to a mans money. If a guy doesn't want to pay for YOUR freaking meal then he doesn't have to. At all. It is so sexist to think otherwise. I believe in equal rights. Women aren't superior so a man shouldn't have to pay for you just because you're a woman. Pay for your own freaking meal !! I pay for mine all the time.
Equal rights? Then if women have to fight against their financial orientation, then men equally have to fight against their visual orientation, and be OK with dating ugly chicks.
@mistixs we'll date whoever we want and we'll dump the entitled, spoiled brats who are empty shells and think their appearance, their presence, their vagina is enough. those women are boring AS FUCK and should be avoided at all costs, and ALWAYS END UP ALONE.
@feminismisnarcissism you're being such a hypocrite.
You expect women to fight against their evolutionary wiring but aren't willing to do the same yourself. How is that equality?
@mistixs lol you're so full of shit I can't even respond to this, you must get laughed at and pointed at a lot.
@feminismisnarcissism you're being a massive hypocrite.
@mistixs nope, no basis for that in our discourse. Thus it must be projection. Interesting that's the first none "blah blah appearance blah" remark you've made though.
I hope you wouldn't show up in cheap clothes, cheap perfume and a 10 year old Honda because it would be screaming that you're not even close to me financially either and so the gold digger bells would be ringing.
That being said, i don't consider $40 to be worth rocking the boat out in the real world.
To tell you the truth my ex was the guy who never paid on dates... he kinda used me and as a blind fool I did let him treat me like a trash. Well, at that time I was young and immature... but now I know what it really means when a guy acts like a miser!!!
Sorry you had to go through that :/ It really does suck knowing you were used.
Notice how many guys agree when a someone says that they like to pay for themselves. This right here is why you guys are on GAG right now and not on a date.
People don't like free loaders.
You wouldn't be saying that if you had to pay for every date you've been on.
@Botchie Does it really matter seriously? Don't go to costly restaurants then no girl expects that! I'm fine with even just coffee it doesn't matter. I just think a guy should pick up a tab it's a nice gesture.
@yellowgirl00d I don't mind picking up the tab at all if she makes me feel desired and isn't just using me. I felt so used in college with how many girls wanted to just go on one date, not even offer to pay, then never contact me again.
I completely agree it's a nice gesture, just make sure that gesture is appreciated.
@Botchie Tbh I didn't even know there were girls that existed who are willing to waste their time just for some food that's actually stupid. But don't worry there are girls out there (like me) who will appreciate the gesture.
@yellowgirl00d Thanks! Appreciation goes so far with the right guy. Makes him willing to spend stupid amounts of money, like I did for my ex, on the right girl. It also doesn't make spending money feel like a chore. Could you imagine spending money or time on someone who didn't care for you equally?
@Botchie I couldn't spend money on someone who doesn't care about me but that's the thing no normal girl wants you to spend stupid amounts of money on her! If she's really a good girl then she's fine with spending less money. Personally I never want anyone to buy costly things for me I think it's wrong.
@yellowgirl00d I'm just talking about things like going to theme parks, weekend vacations and stuff like that. The $100 to $200 price range. But once or twice a month. This would be in addition to paying for dates.
Tbh for those kinds of stuff I would like to pay half the price. It's dates that I like being paid for but for those kinds of costly stuff it's pretty normal to split.
Today is the first day this week I haven't been on a date... and I still don't think that I owe a chick a goddamn thing lol
my girlfriend is at work... I could be "dating" if i wanted. my typical "date" is calling a friend, telling her i'm available tonight-driving TO her house, taking her to the liquor store, buying some booze, going back to her house, drinking, fucking for a couple hours, thanking her for paying for my gas to come there. That was the last "date" i had before getting serious with one of them... upon getting serious, I treat her, she treats me... etc... just like on the dates I had. I don't date entitled spoiled brats.
@feminismisnarcissism well that's the secret to why you're dating at your age.
Facts lol
1. So the guy has to make an effort, but the girl doesn't.
2. So you're expecting the guy to carry you financially since you haven't given him an indication that you're willing/able to pay for things
3. Fair enough, but it works both ways
4. Traditionally women stayed and home and didn't work. You can't just cherry pick to keep the parts gender inequality that happen to be convinient to you
Any woman who agrees with this loses the right to use the phrase "male privilege" for life. If you want equality you can't walk all over us.
The girl makes am effort by her physical appearance way more than men
Which is another sexist stereotype
@mistixs your obsessed with this.
It's literal fact. The beauty industry for women is a multimillion dollar industry. Women also make up 95% of people who get cosmetic surgery
That's funny. Every time I pay for the first date, the girl "ghosts" me. It seems to me that a lot of women like to get that "Free Food".
I'd rather pay for the second date to see if the girl is serious or not about seeing me again during the first date.
Just because you're a woman, doesn't make you special. When I invite you to the date, when I pay for you, etc., you're on MY TIME! My time is just as valuable as yours. Women have their priorities fucked up these days and think they are entitled to shit. You're not entitled to anything.
And number 4 on your list pisses me off as well. Tradition? Tradition to pay for you? In the olden days, women were stay at home moms and the day men were the workers and breadwinners. Obviously, since women weren't working, they weren't making money. So, it was up to the man to pay for his wife whenever they went out and did something.
We live in 2016. Men work. Women work. We all work. We all make money. We all have financial struggles.
To continue to put pressure on the man to pay for shit... that's just not acceptable anymore.
Women scream equality, but they try to hold on to antiquated/shitty "traditional" ways, just to get out of paying for shit. If you want equality, PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT... just a like man does!
AMEN BRO
Great comments their pal.
This should be titled:
4 ways in which men need to learn their place and serve me, after all I am the center of the universe.
If I wanted to pay for food for a stranger I'd give a twenty to a shelter.
Huge sweeping generalization to say "tradition" means "entitlement", and incorrect at best. It's pretty simple - if I ask a girl out, whether it's for coffee, ice cream, a ball game, a concert, lunch, dinner or whatever, I"M paying for it !! I asked HER, she didn't ask ME ! Most of you guys who don't want to do that are either choosing the wrong girls because you're not sure of their character (i. e. they "might" be trying for a free meal?) or you're just cheap asses. If she offers to pay half, I'll smile and appreciate it, but the date is on me, the ASKER. If she asked me, different story. I asked, I pay. Simple, and it's correct. Where did your mother's fail you guys? LOL
99.9% of the time a guy asks so this exuse is lame asf
@Kuqezi Your non sequitur is senseless, and as lame as fuck too.
How? It's true lol
I don't think there's a guy in the world that isn't a deadbeat or cheapskate that doesn't want to pay for the lady on a first date.
This fight back that women are getting from men on this is due to feminism. Simple as that.
We're at a point in time right now where the genders are at war.
Paying or not paying on a first date never use to be a subject that people talked or even thought about.
PAY UP LADIES!
For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well.
Women are now beginning to earn MORE than Men and will continue to do so.
As for Chivalry? Ladies, you KILLED IT!
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This X a milllion
Ok so will men begin to pay as much money, time, & energy on their physical appearance as women?
@mistixs, Women want Social Equality like Men. Men are not asking for Equality of ANY sort. Men want women as they are but Women want to change their Men. Why do you want to change Men?
www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/30_dating_girl.html
It's not fair or equal to expect women to continue spending more time, energy, and money on their appearance than men, and not reciprocate
@mistixs, So women want equality to Men without the responsibilities? Now, you are saying that its not fair for Women to continue spending on their appearance. Perhaps women should have thought about the long term repercussions of "Equality" 50 years ago! Phyllis Schlafly was one woman that did! Watch the video below. Start at 2 min. 46 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyv5Fw0JSk
Are you gonna start paying up? Are men going to start getting plastic surgery 9x as much as they do now, to catch up with women, who are so burdened with appearance concerns? Are they going to spend millions of dollars on a beauty industry to feel decent looking?
That's equality.
@mistixs, Women chose to seek equality... with MEN. Do you see Men demanding equality with women? NO!
Yes, you ARE seeking equality with women RIGHT NOW.
So you better get under the knife.
Anyway, I already know about Phyllis Schlafly, and I already disagreed with the Equal Rights Amendment. Phyllis Schlafly got enough women on her side to WIN in opposing the ERA. Obviously that shows that a considerable number of women fought against "equality" if they were able to DEFEAT the ERA.
@mistixs, Men seeking equality with Women? Please provide citation for your statement.
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@mistixs, Getting under the knife? What you appear to asking for is the Emasculation of Men... which is something that Men have never demanded. The last I heard, Women find this unattractive. So, I'm going to say NO to your demand.
www.infowars.com/.../
You're seeking equality with women when you say that you shouldn't have to pay for dates.
By "under the knife" I meant plastic surgery. Women make up 95% of people who get plastic surgery.
@mistixs, NO. Please read my original post, "For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well."
Men typically pay for dates. Dating is both economical and sociial. Women fought for economic and social equality. Therefore, women should start paying up for dates... like MEN!
As for Plastic Surgery, I agree with that. There is a tread of more Men seeking plastic surgery. As for myself, no.
Anyway women have also been fighting AGAINST the concept of equality for decades. There's a reason the ERA didn't pass.
@mistixs plastic surgery isn't done to impress men, it's to alleviate insecurity. A subtle distinction of causation.
@mistixs Anyone who gets plastic surgery is an absolute moron. No one is forcing you 'ladies' (I use this term loosely) to "go under the knife." Sorry but this is just retarded logic. You are just another entitled parasite who doesn't want to take any responsibility.
I hate when people pay for me at all, and that's my friends and family. I would feel worse letting a complete stranger pay for me. The first date definitely should be when a couple splits. You're just getting to know each other, and that's when you both should be making an effort. Why should someone that you don't know pay for you?
She did make an effort; women put a lot more effort into their appearance than men
Yes because appearance should be the only important thing. That's definitely a major sense of entitlement right there. Expect a guy to have to pay for her just because she looks pretty. You can't coast through life on looks.
@Hopefuldreamer8 exactly-she's an entitled brat, an empty shell of a person with a mask on that she thinks is worth $ lol... she's got a rude awakening ahead in the world.. all she offers as a claim of what women HAVE to offer is looks-which is pathetic and sad.
1. When are you gonna show you're making effort?
2. Asking split the bill gives me a clue that you're not a gold digging hoe.
3. Paying for food is pampering? Lol
4. I'm traditional, bring back'em slaves.
1. Sex in return. If not, then you can always pay for a prostitute instead.
2. Agreed.
3. Yes?
4. Yep, women like her are all yours: You can always send them to the kitchen to make you food and sandwiches, make them clean the house, wash your clothes and demand sex from them whenever YOU want to regardless how she feels because. She. Is. Yours. Traditional.
@Unit1
1. If sex is what they're giving , what's the differencw between them and prostitutes. You pay them you get sex. You pay for dinner you het sex. Close enough.
3. If I am paying for my food am I pampering myself? No, I need it to live.
4. Guess she is only traditional where its beneficial for her.
True that :P
Fuckin gold.
1. Her appearance. Women spend more time, energy, and money on their appearance than men.
@mistixs so does a prostitute. :P
@mistixs no one is asking her to do that. In OP's case, she is asking the guy to pay for her
"If a guy lets me wear a burqa on the first date, it gives me a clue that he's not using me for my looks."
Most people did not own slaves... Only the 1% really did. So... this is not a very informed response.
I'll always pay for a first date even if 5 of them turn out to be b*tches, the 6th will be awesome and it's nice to maintain a habit of being courteous. Anyway, this is my choice and not her right.
Also if the girl keeps yapping about feminism I'm 100% making sure we split the check.
I don't get why guys are mad... if you ask her on a date, you gotta fucking pay.
Guys pretty much always ask them and not the other way around. Girls expect guys to ask them out, girls expect guys to pay.
Guys expect pussy... and don't get it? OH THAT'S FAIR.
@tyrantfuryre Paying for dinner doesn't entitle you to pussy. Girls are berated for sleeping around, guys aren't, so they have to be more careful whom they sleep with.
Going to dinner doesn't entitle her to free shit either.
@tyrantfuryre If you asked her out, it entitles her to dinner.
Even otherwise you don't HAVE to pay but then don't be mad when she walks away, it isn't an ideal world.
You have A LOT to learn, little boy.
@tyrantfuryre I just don't see what the big deal in paying for dinner is. It's not that much lol. Educate me then, you're 12 years older... I can learn.
Never mind, just saw you're on every answer's comment being bitter lol.
I've never paid, never will. Welcome to the world of equality. Either you adapt or keep getting used.
@Kuqezi Just don't see paying for dinner as being used... unless you go on dinner dates every night which I don't. *sigh* agree to disagree dude
This girl is talking about believing in equality but only wants the benefits of it also she's put a price on herself, that's being used.
Using the gentleman exuse, is being used.
I don't necessarily agree with you. The way I see it, it depends on who asked who out. And if I'm the one who asked him out then I feel I should pay, and not the other way around.
but women never ask because they are insecure
@alfonsosloan45 Ahahahah oh honey... If I'm interested, I will ask! Might take a bit of time to get enough courage, but I'll do it!
@alfonsosloan45 Women don't ask because men ask them more often then not. Also women fear rejection... so do us men... but they can get away with not having to approach men without dieing alone lol.
Every time I pay for a date it either ends with men trying to use me and screw me. And all the times I never paid for the date, it seems a different type of guy. I mean yeah he still wants to screw me, but it's never really on the first date. It after getting to know each other And we agree to work on something serious. Most of the time it's me hinting at the start of the sexual relationship.
Honestly I never did a split check or Dutch. Maybe it will have a different outcome.
I USE to do it. Or skip a date all together and sex or fell for the netflix and chill. But now i know better. That way only attracts bums or disrespectful men or men who think u are so dumb that they can use u for pussy and money. They think u low grade. Now I've never gave a man money but i have went dutch on shit. Doing things the traditional way actually attracts quality men and even if they not quality they will still wine and dine u.