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Reason 5 your cheap or broke and you want his money!
If broke there's no shame in it just be honest!
If im spending money on you
If you expect me to pay just because i'm a guy then if it looks like its not going to work out it's fair for me to excuse my self to go to the restroom and just leave you with the bill. Though i'd rather not go to a restaurant for a date in the first place it just puts a lot more pressure on both of us when you don't really know each other yet.
If possible Id much rather bowling or going to a snow dome or something even a picnic or coffee.
The first 3 points also work the other way you know. They're not a good attempt to justify this. As for you being traditional, I see that word thrown around a lot by women by like 95% of them are nowhere near 'traditional' so cut that line of bs out of the equation and just admit that you like when a guy pays for you because you are selfish.
The first date is the absolute worst time to expect a guy to pay. Nobody owes anyone anything on a first date. Chances are you don't even know the other person. High likelihood of flaking, ghosting or simply rejecting a second date. Why should we invest against the odds if you're not willing to?
At this point I'd almost prefer to be flash frozen for a thousand years like Philip J Fry just so I don't have to deal with backward, entitled idiots.
Women DO invest against the odds. They spend lots of time, money and energy in their physical appearance
@mistixs That is a choice that they make. It has no bearing on who should pay for dinner. And if you ask women who women dress up for, you will get the response that it is in large part a result of competition with other women, rather than to directly appeal to men. I've seen women argue that on here repeatedly and in large numbers so don't try to tell me that it's suddenly not the case. Sometimes women may dress up for a guy, and the reward for that is that the guy will be more interested in her. Paying for dinner is not part of that equation.
If I dress to go outside or go to school or whatever I'm not dressing for a man. If I went on a date with a man, however, id obviously be dressing to look good for him, and so does any other woman who is honest with herself
@mistixs what is the difference if you already dress up just to go outside? Seriously, it hardly counts if you were gonna do it anyways.
@mistixs and as I said, the reward for dressing nice is that your date is more interested in you. It has nothing to do with who pays.
By "dressing" I meant, just dressing. Not dressing up. If I go outside I often wear no makeup and just throw on comfortable clothes. If I go on a date I'd put a lot more effort than that
@mistixs still missing the point
Yes tyber1 you are completely missing the point.
@SarahsSummer no, I understand your point and reject it. It must be pretty easy to support this nonsense though from the other side. It's always easier to support someone else paying the price instead of yourself.
1. So the guy has to make an effort, but the girl doesn't.
2. So you're expecting the guy to carry you financially since you haven't given him an indication that you're willing/able to pay for things
3. Fair enough, but it works both ways
4. Traditionally women stayed and home and didn't work. You can't just cherry pick to keep the parts gender inequality that happen to be convinient to you
Any woman who agrees with this loses the right to use the phrase "male privilege" for life. If you want equality you can't walk all over us.
The girl makes am effort by her physical appearance way more than men
Which is another sexist stereotype
@mistixs your obsessed with this.
It's literal fact. The beauty industry for women is a multimillion dollar industry. Women also make up 95% of people who get cosmetic surgery
Because having a vagina means free food... yay society.
very hilarious lol
Huge sweeping generalization to say "tradition" means "entitlement", and incorrect at best. It's pretty simple - if I ask a girl out, whether it's for coffee, ice cream, a ball game, a concert, lunch, dinner or whatever, I"M paying for it !! I asked HER, she didn't ask ME ! Most of you guys who don't want to do that are either choosing the wrong girls because you're not sure of their character (i. e. they "might" be trying for a free meal?) or you're just cheap asses. If she offers to pay half, I'll smile and appreciate it, but the date is on me, the ASKER. If she asked me, different story. I asked, I pay. Simple, and it's correct. Where did your mother's fail you guys? LOL
99.9% of the time a guy asks so this exuse is lame asf
@Kuqezi Your non sequitur is senseless, and as lame as fuck too.
How? It's true lol
I think whoever asks for the date should pay. Generally I have no problem paying for the first date but once I had a girl who was straight up taking advantage of me. Even though I asked her for the date, she showed up high and drunk and was like I'm gonna need you to buy my drinks as I bought some weed today, red flag #1. Then she was getting mixed drinks and shots which made my bill end up being $40.
The bigger red flag was that she straight up volunteered her sexual history to me when I didn't even ask. Talk about too much information.
But bottom line is when it comes to paying, it's gotta be 50/50.
Fail take lmao. You are a pathetic spoiled brat. You aren't entitled to a mans money. If a guy doesn't want to pay for YOUR freaking meal then he doesn't have to. At all. It is so sexist to think otherwise. I believe in equal rights. Women aren't superior so a man shouldn't have to pay for you just because you're a woman. Pay for your own freaking meal !! I pay for mine all the time.
Equal rights? Then if women have to fight against their financial orientation, then men equally have to fight against their visual orientation, and be OK with dating ugly chicks.
@mistixs we'll date whoever we want and we'll dump the entitled, spoiled brats who are empty shells and think their appearance, their presence, their vagina is enough. those women are boring AS FUCK and should be avoided at all costs, and ALWAYS END UP ALONE.
@feminismisnarcissism you're being such a hypocrite.
You expect women to fight against their evolutionary wiring but aren't willing to do the same yourself. How is that equality?
@mistixs lol you're so full of shit I can't even respond to this, you must get laughed at and pointed at a lot.
@feminismisnarcissism you're being a massive hypocrite.
@mistixs nope, no basis for that in our discourse. Thus it must be projection. Interesting that's the first none "blah blah appearance blah" remark you've made though.
I hope you wouldn't show up in cheap clothes, cheap perfume and a 10 year old Honda because it would be screaming that you're not even close to me financially either and so the gold digger bells would be ringing.
That being said, i don't consider $40 to be worth rocking the boat out in the real world.
To tell you the truth my ex was the guy who never paid on dates... he kinda used me and as a blind fool I did let him treat me like a trash. Well, at that time I was young and immature... but now I know what it really means when a guy acts like a miser!!!
Sorry you had to go through that :/ It really does suck knowing you were used.
Notice how many guys agree when a someone says that they like to pay for themselves. This right here is why you guys are on GAG right now and not on a date.
People don't like free loaders.
You wouldn't be saying that if you had to pay for every date you've been on.
@Botchie Does it really matter seriously? Don't go to costly restaurants then no girl expects that! I'm fine with even just coffee it doesn't matter. I just think a guy should pick up a tab it's a nice gesture.
@yellowgirl00d I don't mind picking up the tab at all if she makes me feel desired and isn't just using me. I felt so used in college with how many girls wanted to just go on one date, not even offer to pay, then never contact me again.
I completely agree it's a nice gesture, just make sure that gesture is appreciated.
@Botchie Tbh I didn't even know there were girls that existed who are willing to waste their time just for some food that's actually stupid. But don't worry there are girls out there (like me) who will appreciate the gesture.
@yellowgirl00d Thanks! Appreciation goes so far with the right guy. Makes him willing to spend stupid amounts of money, like I did for my ex, on the right girl. It also doesn't make spending money feel like a chore. Could you imagine spending money or time on someone who didn't care for you equally?
@Botchie I couldn't spend money on someone who doesn't care about me but that's the thing no normal girl wants you to spend stupid amounts of money on her! If she's really a good girl then she's fine with spending less money. Personally I never want anyone to buy costly things for me I think it's wrong.
@yellowgirl00d I'm just talking about things like going to theme parks, weekend vacations and stuff like that. The $100 to $200 price range. But once or twice a month. This would be in addition to paying for dates.
Tbh for those kinds of stuff I would like to pay half the price. It's dates that I like being paid for but for those kinds of costly stuff it's pretty normal to split.
Today is the first day this week I haven't been on a date... and I still don't think that I owe a chick a goddamn thing lol
my girlfriend is at work... I could be "dating" if i wanted. my typical "date" is calling a friend, telling her i'm available tonight-driving TO her house, taking her to the liquor store, buying some booze, going back to her house, drinking, fucking for a couple hours, thanking her for paying for my gas to come there. That was the last "date" i had before getting serious with one of them... upon getting serious, I treat her, she treats me... etc... just like on the dates I had. I don't date entitled spoiled brats.
@feminismisnarcissism well that's the secret to why you're dating at your age.
Facts lol
That's funny. Every time I pay for the first date, the girl "ghosts" me. It seems to me that a lot of women like to get that "Free Food".
I'd rather pay for the second date to see if the girl is serious or not about seeing me again during the first date.
Just because you're a woman, doesn't make you special. When I invite you to the date, when I pay for you, etc., you're on MY TIME! My time is just as valuable as yours. Women have their priorities fucked up these days and think they are entitled to shit. You're not entitled to anything.
And number 4 on your list pisses me off as well. Tradition? Tradition to pay for you? In the olden days, women were stay at home moms and the day men were the workers and breadwinners. Obviously, since women weren't working, they weren't making money. So, it was up to the man to pay for his wife whenever they went out and did something.
We live in 2016. Men work. Women work. We all work. We all make money. We all have financial struggles.
To continue to put pressure on the man to pay for shit... that's just not acceptable anymore.
Women scream equality, but they try to hold on to antiquated/shitty "traditional" ways, just to get out of paying for shit. If you want equality, PAY FOR YOUR OWN SHIT... just a like man does!
AMEN BRO
Great comments their pal.
This should be titled:
4 ways in which men need to learn their place and serve me, after all I am the center of the universe.
If I wanted to pay for food for a stranger I'd give a twenty to a shelter.
I don't think there's a guy in the world that isn't a deadbeat or cheapskate that doesn't want to pay for the lady on a first date.
This fight back that women are getting from men on this is due to feminism. Simple as that.
We're at a point in time right now where the genders are at war.
Paying or not paying on a first date never use to be a subject that people talked or even thought about.
PAY UP LADIES!
For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well.
Women are now beginning to earn MORE than Men and will continue to do so.
As for Chivalry? Ladies, you KILLED IT!
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...minism-is-to-blame.html
This X a milllion
Ok so will men begin to pay as much money, time, & energy on their physical appearance as women?
@mistixs, Women want Social Equality like Men. Men are not asking for Equality of ANY sort. Men want women as they are but Women want to change their Men. Why do you want to change Men?
www.askmen.com/dating/heidi/30_dating_girl.html
It's not fair or equal to expect women to continue spending more time, energy, and money on their appearance than men, and not reciprocate
@mistixs, So women want equality to Men without the responsibilities? Now, you are saying that its not fair for Women to continue spending on their appearance. Perhaps women should have thought about the long term repercussions of "Equality" 50 years ago! Phyllis Schlafly was one woman that did! Watch the video below. Start at 2 min. 46 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyv5Fw0JSk
Are you gonna start paying up? Are men going to start getting plastic surgery 9x as much as they do now, to catch up with women, who are so burdened with appearance concerns? Are they going to spend millions of dollars on a beauty industry to feel decent looking?
That's equality.
@mistixs, Women chose to seek equality... with MEN. Do you see Men demanding equality with women? NO!
Yes, you ARE seeking equality with women RIGHT NOW.
So you better get under the knife.
Anyway, I already know about Phyllis Schlafly, and I already disagreed with the Equal Rights Amendment. Phyllis Schlafly got enough women on her side to WIN in opposing the ERA. Obviously that shows that a considerable number of women fought against "equality" if they were able to DEFEAT the ERA.
@mistixs, Men seeking equality with Women? Please provide citation for your statement.
lmgtfy.com/?q=men+seeking+equality+with+women
@mistixs, Getting under the knife? What you appear to asking for is the Emasculation of Men... which is something that Men have never demanded. The last I heard, Women find this unattractive. So, I'm going to say NO to your demand.
www.infowars.com/.../
You're seeking equality with women when you say that you shouldn't have to pay for dates.
By "under the knife" I meant plastic surgery. Women make up 95% of people who get plastic surgery.
@mistixs, NO. Please read my original post, "For 50 years., Women have fought for economic and social equality with Men. They should bear equal responsibilities as well."
Men typically pay for dates. Dating is both economical and sociial. Women fought for economic and social equality. Therefore, women should start paying up for dates... like MEN!
As for Plastic Surgery, I agree with that. There is a tread of more Men seeking plastic surgery. As for myself, no.
Anyway women have also been fighting AGAINST the concept of equality for decades. There's a reason the ERA didn't pass.
@mistixs plastic surgery isn't done to impress men, it's to alleviate insecurity. A subtle distinction of causation.
@mistixs Anyone who gets plastic surgery is an absolute moron. No one is forcing you 'ladies' (I use this term loosely) to "go under the knife." Sorry but this is just retarded logic. You are just another entitled parasite who doesn't want to take any responsibility.
I hate when people pay for me at all, and that's my friends and family. I would feel worse letting a complete stranger pay for me. The first date definitely should be when a couple splits. You're just getting to know each other, and that's when you both should be making an effort. Why should someone that you don't know pay for you?
She did make an effort; women put a lot more effort into their appearance than men
Yes because appearance should be the only important thing. That's definitely a major sense of entitlement right there. Expect a guy to have to pay for her just because she looks pretty. You can't coast through life on looks.
@Hopefuldreamer8 exactly-she's an entitled brat, an empty shell of a person with a mask on that she thinks is worth $ lol... she's got a rude awakening ahead in the world.. all she offers as a claim of what women HAVE to offer is looks-which is pathetic and sad.
1. When are you gonna show you're making effort?
2. Asking split the bill gives me a clue that you're not a gold digging hoe.
3. Paying for food is pampering? Lol
4. I'm traditional, bring back'em slaves.
1. Sex in return. If not, then you can always pay for a prostitute instead.
2. Agreed.
3. Yes?
4. Yep, women like her are all yours: You can always send them to the kitchen to make you food and sandwiches, make them clean the house, wash your clothes and demand sex from them whenever YOU want to regardless how she feels because. She. Is. Yours. Traditional.
@Unit1
1. If sex is what they're giving , what's the differencw between them and prostitutes. You pay them you get sex. You pay for dinner you het sex. Close enough.
3. If I am paying for my food am I pampering myself? No, I need it to live.
4. Guess she is only traditional where its beneficial for her.
True that :P
Fuckin gold.
1. Her appearance. Women spend more time, energy, and money on their appearance than men.
@mistixs so does a prostitute. :P
@mistixs no one is asking her to do that. In OP's case, she is asking the guy to pay for her
"If a guy lets me wear a burqa on the first date, it gives me a clue that he's not using me for my looks."
Most people did not own slaves... Only the 1% really did. So... this is not a very informed response.
What a load of bollocks.
1. If paying for the first date shows you're making an effort, why shouldn't the girl show she's making an effort too?
2. My financial stability is none of her business
3. Why should the first date be all about the girl?
4. Tradition my arse
Women make an effort. They put way more time money effort and energy in their physical appearance.
And women evolved to seek financial stability in men. Whereas men evolved to seek beauty. By your logic, a woman's beauty is none of YOUR business, so you should be happy going on dates it women in burqas whose appearance you don't get to see
@mistixs Men put energy in physical appearance too lol
@Kuqezi women put way more.
@mistixs Can you explain this sexist stereotype?
@Kuqezi it's fact? Thebeauty industry for women is a multimillion dollar industry
I'll always pay for a first date even if 5 of them turn out to be b*tches, the 6th will be awesome and it's nice to maintain a habit of being courteous. Anyway, this is my choice and not her right.
Also if the girl keeps yapping about feminism I'm 100% making sure we split the check.
I don't get why guys are mad... if you ask her on a date, you gotta fucking pay.
Guys pretty much always ask them and not the other way around. Girls expect guys to ask them out, girls expect guys to pay.
Guys expect pussy... and don't get it? OH THAT'S FAIR.
@tyrantfuryre Paying for dinner doesn't entitle you to pussy. Girls are berated for sleeping around, guys aren't, so they have to be more careful whom they sleep with.
Going to dinner doesn't entitle her to free shit either.
@tyrantfuryre If you asked her out, it entitles her to dinner.
Even otherwise you don't HAVE to pay but then don't be mad when she walks away, it isn't an ideal world.
You have A LOT to learn, little boy.
@tyrantfuryre I just don't see what the big deal in paying for dinner is. It's not that much lol. Educate me then, you're 12 years older... I can learn.
Never mind, just saw you're on every answer's comment being bitter lol.
I've never paid, never will. Welcome to the world of equality. Either you adapt or keep getting used.
@Kuqezi Just don't see paying for dinner as being used... unless you go on dinner dates every night which I don't. *sigh* agree to disagree dude
This girl is talking about believing in equality but only wants the benefits of it also she's put a price on herself, that's being used.
Using the gentleman exuse, is being used.
I don't necessarily agree with you. The way I see it, it depends on who asked who out. And if I'm the one who asked him out then I feel I should pay, and not the other way around.
but women never ask because they are insecure
@alfonsosloan45 Ahahahah oh honey... If I'm interested, I will ask! Might take a bit of time to get enough courage, but I'll do it!
@alfonsosloan45 Women don't ask because men ask them more often then not. Also women fear rejection... so do us men... but they can get away with not having to approach men without dieing alone lol.