For the love of cats women should be paid for when they go out with men, men make 53 cents more then women do. And If I'm being taken out on a date, my meal should be paid for, it show me that you care. If a man whines about paying for me I simply make a note not to date them or say " You'er just paying for my hamburger not my rent, get over it"
@mistixs A girl could wear yoga pants and a tshirt on a date, I wouldn't care. Men don't pressure women in that department, girls pressure themselves lol
As a female I prefer to pay my share. I don't need a man paying for me. It shows that I'm financially stable and I'm also interested and making an effort. Pay for yourself!
It doesn't mean she is not making an effort. women, work a lot harder on their appearance than men. This is because men are visually oriented. The counterpart is that women are financially oriented. Hence men paying for dates.
@mistixs by putting extra effort in their appearance. Why do they need to compensate anything? Dating isn't a do this for me and I'll do this for you. It's just enjoying each other's company and getting to know each other. At least that's my view
@mistixs you're not even very good looking? I hope you don't seriously think your appearance is the thing you should offer men.. even if you were very attractive, that's not enough. jesus, grow up
exactly. @mistixs describes a financial transaction for her company, which is like a geisha or prostitution-really closer to the latter since she describes no entertainment for the man... she describes a satellite relationship-a moon revolving around a planet. that's not a relationship-that's WHY IT'S CALLED "RELATIONSHIP" ffs, it's a TWO WAY THING. #logicfail
@mistixs not a fucking thing. Why would we compensate a spoiled brat when as this thread shows, equal-minded, fair, and GIVING women are about 50% out there... we would never waste our time on a spoiled brat given huge options, which men today have-just like women do.
So what are men going to do to EQUALize the pleasure they get from gazing at the woman & the effort that the woman made to make it pleasurable as possible
bullshit-every rebuttal @mistixs has given is about HER APPEARANCE, so I am actually responding to her argument which is "but just look at me" which she's used to respond to EVERY thoughtful opinion, so @macix670 normally I'd agree-but SHE brought her looks into it 20x before I finally responded to it...
@mistixs YOU made looks the ONLY ARGUMENT YOU HAVE.
so you DEMANDED WE EVALUATE THE TRUTH OF IT IN YOUR CASE and it failed miserably... that was YOUR bad. next time get a real argument instead of "but, but, but... vagina" cuz that'll work about 10 more years at best for an attractive woman... less for an average one.
@mistixs it's your own personal choice to do additional preparations. If you wanted it to be fair and square, you'd own up to your own personal decisions, accept that you spent that much time on your own accord, and then pay for your own personal spending because that's what your choices amounted to.
You're just avoiding responsibility while claiming that females universally care only about money, while males universally care only about appearance, which is just extreme.
I'm a believer in guys paying for a first date however, if I felt like she just expected me to pay for her I would be turned off. To me it seems selfish for you to expect anything other than common human to human respect on a first date. Give me the chance to be the gentleman. I will likely pay no matter what but if she wants a second date she better show me that she isn't a moocher
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"All it shows is that you're LAZY and CHEAP." - Right back at you.
#1 and #2 - same goes for you. WE also like you know you're putting an effort in and maybe have your own money also and not looking to sponge off a guy.
It's not 1920 anymore where guys were the primary bread winners, not to mention inflation since then. I also agree with "Every now and then..." Really?
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What a load of bollocks. 1. If paying for the first date shows you're making an effort, why shouldn't the girl show she's making an effort too? 2. My financial stability is none of her business 3. Why should the first date be all about the girl? 4. Tradition my arse
Women make an effort. They put way more time money effort and energy in their physical appearance.
And women evolved to seek financial stability in men. Whereas men evolved to seek beauty. By your logic, a woman's beauty is none of YOUR business, so you should be happy going on dates it women in burqas whose appearance you don't get to see
I think it is lovely when a guy insists on paying for a first date but it should never be a deal breaker. Thats just wrong. Of course I would be happy to pay for my own meal or both of our meals or just pay next time we go out it just depends on the situation. But making a big deal if you have to pay for your own meal is just rude and cheap
I think if you believe a man should pay for you then you don't deserve equality. If you expect a man to then maybe you come off as cheap, a user, spoiled, not making a effort, or financially unstable.
brilliant woman's take here< " If you expect a man to then maybe you come off as cheap, a user, spoiled, not making a effort, or financially unstable." you forgot "and sound like a prostitute..."
"If you expect a woman to put more effort into her appearance than you (which most men do), then you come off as shallow, a user, not making an effort, and don't deserve equality."
@WhaChaChaKing the most important thing for a woman to do for a date in order to put effort into her appearance, is that she shouldn't wear any makeup because it ruins her natural charms :p
no, maybe it shows he's waiting to invest in you. Why on earth we should invest in people who judge us for our assumed wealth? thank you tho, you just rembered how superficial and cheap are some women in the dating world
"on the first date, women should be able to show up in a burqa & not reveal their appearance to the man, to make sure the man isn't using her for her looks & being superficial"
also, please - being superficial for her looks? eh, so i guess thats why Young super hot supermodels are dating old millionairs, cos sure as hell they ain't that superficial whatever
@mistixs thats mixing up stuff - nature (visuals) have nothing to do with financial (artificial) You can't know what a man have in his own pocket just according to presupponing its wealth : its just a money grabbing move. As a man, i dont look as a girl in that manner, thats disrespectful
@mistixs then for the same reason a sane man would just invest in whores - they both proved sex and once sex is finished everyone is on its own. Cmon now, you're tying to justificate gold diggint via nature and the stupid nature (no pun intended) of this post. That's why chivalry is dead - we're supposed, as Men, to provide wealth? eh ok. i regret im a male then, being a woman is easier if you put it this way
It's because women bear the entire burden in reproduction; they evolved to seek a man who could support them in doing so, which includes providing resources
@mistixs then why on earth men should say the truth abut the wealth they have or date a girl if girls aren't able to step out of that evolutionary misstep?
@mistixs you're talking to someone who hooked up (pass me the horrible term) with totally different girls and i acquired my own taste. i dont judge that much on phisique as i used to, but i got my preferences. Still, that is nature, wealth is artificial. You can't hunt food for a woman (natural) to provide her wealth, you have to dress up (artificially hiding or enchance your personality) to do that. Its fucked up. Also, being a woman and looking just on a man presumed wealth is fucked up
@mistixs yeah but assuming it and giving him a chance just for an assumption (he can be lying) is just a gold digger behaviour. and if a woman can't do the same - be a source to provide wealth what she is. aside of a parasite?
OMG so many butthurt guys and feminazis on this site. I expect a MAN to be a MAN and pick up the fucking bill. Women are biologically wired to want a guy who is financially stable and can protect us.
And men are biologically wired to not want a girl who is gonna screw him over financially. I'm all for the protecting, but I'm not gonna let you drag me down because of your inability to be financially responsible.
If you want money so bad then why don't you learn to become an independent woman and make your own money. You're just making excuses to cover up your identity as a gold digger.
A gold digger is someone who dates others to purely extract money from them. I'm financially independent and I already come from a well off family. Both for my parents are doctors. Trust me, I'm fully capable of paying for a $50 meal. I want a guy to pay for my meal because I'm a traditional woman and I conform to traditional gender norms. I'm not a dominant, assertive modern women. I plan on being a devoted wife who takes care of her man.
@Lemonadelover what can you do for the guy on the first date? If he has to pay then what can you do besides showing up? I don't know if you realize this but guys want you to show you also care.
@Lemonadelover You don't get what I'm trying to ask. You claim that guys have to pay to show they care. Ok cool, now what can you offer back? So far throughout this whole conversation you haven't told me what you're capable of offering.
@dontknow12 I believe the guy should be the protector and the woman should be the nurturer. A traditional woman cooks, cleans, gardens, decorates the home and takes care of the kids if the guy is the sole breadwinner and the provider. I've studied evolutionary psychology and strongly believe our behavior is tied to genetics, biology and evolution. Guys , on average, are taller, physically stronger and have higher IQ than women. Women are more intuitive , nurturing and have a thing called maternal instinct. It is the nature's way of saying the guy is the provider. There will always be people who are deviations from the norm like homosexuals, transgenderes and gender queer people. But I identify myself as a woman and want to be treated like one.
^ So in other words, all of your efforts will not be for your man but for your kids instead. But he still needs to be the "protector" and do everything for both you AND the kids. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
"Guys , on average, are taller, physically stronger and have higher IQ than women." Statistically, women have a higher IQ. While it's true the highest recorded IQs do belong to men, there's also a bigger difference between IQ levels between men. They tend to be either really high or really low but women are usually closer to average. But the average that's been recorded is still higher for women.
@LadyTerror Men are still physically stronger. Men on the " lower end" can work blue collar jobs and make more money. Also I clearly mentioned that a traditional woman will put effort into taking care of her man.
@Lemonadelover I've studied evolution, psychology, sociology, biology. I've studied all that. Everything you said is technically true, but in the world we live in today we don't have to oblige to any of it. With that said, women need to learn to protect and provide for themselves. Just like men should cook and clean and play with their kids. This who traditional aspect is way too one dimensional and there's no flexibility. What are you gonna do when you walk out the house by yourself and your husband isn't there to protect you? You need to learn to protect yourself. What if you're at home by yourself and your husband isn't there to provide you money? At least if you work or save up money you can go out and buy food with your own money. You see how many more options you have? Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to shame on you for being traditional, but after speaking with many traditional women it appears most of you have this mentality where there's no independencey.
@dontknow12 Being independent can be very liberating and empowering for any gender. I pay my own phone bills despite having well off parents. But a traditional woman does not depend on her man. She also works hard and contributes to the relationship.
A traditional women does depend on her man. She relies on him financially to pay the bills and protect the family. She relies on him to be a leader. She looks up to him as the head of the household.
@dontknow12 A traditional man relies on his wife to cook, clean, take care of the kids, take them to soccer, piano and ballet lessons, keep track of all the doctor's appointments and family finances. My dad's Korean colleague ( also a doctor) gives his monthly salary to his wife. She sets aside some disposable income for vacations, gives him allowance and pays all the bills. It's also incredibly hard for a mother of 4-5 children to work outside of home.
^ But all of that happens after marriage. What about the first date? He's paying for the meal but what are YOU offering him? Why should he be interested in a second date with you?
@LadyTerror I like it when the guy holds the door open, pulls out my chair and pays for my meal. It doesn't have to be a transactional experience. Some guys like to take care of their woman. All the guys in my family REFUSE to pay let the girls pay anything. I went shopping with my cousins in Dubai and when I pulled out my credit card from my wallet my uncle snatched it and paid for my hand bags and gold necklace.
@Lemonadelover "A traditional man relies on his wife to cook, clean, take care of the kids, take them to soccer, piano and ballet lessons, keep track of all the doctor's appointments and family finances."
Yeah, but he can do all of that himself, but if the wife is at home all day then of course it's expected of her to do that.
@LadyTerror LOOK I'm being really nice. Most traditionalists won't even waste their time explaining this to your feminazi ass.
I'm offering him the opportunity to assert his manliness. It speaks to a man’s values and shows that he is a gentleman. The courting process doesn't start on the first date. It starts right after the guy makes the decision to go on a date with you.
@dontknow12 I can't believe I'm being nice enough to answer all of your stupid questions. Other traditional women probably told you to be a MAN and stop being a cheap ass loser.
@dontknow12 @LadyTerror It's ok guys, you don't have to worry about what she has to offer on the first date because thankfully you guys don't have to worry about dating her. It's only the issue for the guy who asks her on a date. But you'll never get your answer from @Lemonadelover because I don't think she feels she has to offer anything up at the first date. It's the guy's responsibility to prove his worth to her since he asked her out in the first place.
@LadyTerror women put a lot more effort into their appearance than men because men are visually oriented. Whereas women are financially oriented, hence men paying for dates
@mistixs assuming you have no resources of your own which is typically false, and assuming that to a male human it's irrelevant if the female has resource of her own or not which is also false :p
You're traditional lmfao. No you're just another one of the modern day entitled feminazi brats who is insanely narcissistic, has an inflated sense of self worth and think she is owed special treatment and free meals based on her gender. Yet you believe in equality, of course that is only when it benefits you. If you truly believe in equality you would want that bill to be split. It's women like you who drag the rest of your gender down.
We have something in common I wouldn't date a girl that wouldn't pay for herself. 1. Why should the guy make more of a effort than the girl? 2. Being able to pay for yourself means you're financially stable. Expecting others to pay for you means you think you are entitled. 3. Only after it becomes exclusive not before. 4. If you want a traditional gentlemen then you should be a traditional lady otherwise you're a hypocrite.
You wanna be traditional, ok get in the kitchen and make a delicious sandwich after that clean the house and hand wash my dirty clothes. I expect your legs spread by 10pm!
Traditional? Sure you are honey. So you have no problem cooking and cleaning up after your man right? How about giving him sex and then silence? No? Then why the hell should he pay for the first date?
Men are visual & wired to seek attractive mates, so their extra treat is the woman's appearance, which women put more time, effort, & MONEY into. Women are wired to seek mates who can provide for them, hence paying for dates.
So if you want to force women to go against their innate wiring, then it's only "equal" for you to do the same; I hope you're OK with dating a woman wearing a burqa.
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For the love of cats women should be paid for when they go out with men, men make 53 cents more then women do. And If I'm being taken out on a date, my meal should be paid for, it show me that you care. If a man whines about paying for me I simply make a note not to date them or say " You'er just paying for my hamburger not my rent, get over it"
Women should hand wash my laundry, make me a good sandwich, and legs open at night!
@Kuqezi so i take it you don't pay for your dates
I'm part of the equality generation that's against old sexist traditions so no
First dates depends but mostly go Dutch.
Shove it.
@Kuqezi against old sexism traditions? Does that include the tradition where women spend way more time money and energy on their appearance?
@mistixs A girl could wear yoga pants and a tshirt on a date, I wouldn't care. Men don't pressure women in that department, girls pressure themselves lol
BOOOOOO no more spoiled brats-your days are OVER.
bullshit, the wage gap is 100% bullshit today. yet another entitled woman speaks
@feminismisnarcissism i thought you were done fucking talking already. Shut your mouth
As a female I prefer to pay my share. I don't need a man paying for me. It shows that I'm financially stable and I'm also interested and making an effort.
Pay for yourself!
I like you
Me too :)
It doesn't mean she is not making an effort. women, work a lot harder on their appearance than men. This is because men are visually oriented. The counterpart is that women are financially oriented. Hence men paying for dates.
@mistixs I make my own money and I can pay my share. Your type of thinking belongs in the 1940s
So what are men going to do to compensate women's extra effort in their appearance
@mistixs by putting extra effort in their appearance. Why do they need to compensate anything? Dating isn't a do this for me and I'll do this for you. It's just enjoying each other's company and getting to know each other. At least that's my view
@mistixs you're not even very good looking? I hope you don't seriously think your appearance is the thing you should offer men.. even if you were very attractive, that's not enough. jesus, grow up
exactly. @mistixs describes a financial transaction for her company, which is like a geisha or prostitution-really closer to the latter since she describes no entertainment for the man... she describes a satellite relationship-a moon revolving around a planet. that's not a relationship-that's WHY IT'S CALLED "RELATIONSHIP" ffs, it's a TWO WAY THING. #logicfail
@mistixs not a fucking thing. Why would we compensate a spoiled brat when as this thread shows, equal-minded, fair, and GIVING women are about 50% out there... we would never waste our time on a spoiled brat given huge options, which men today have-just like women do.
@feminismisnarcissism "she describes no entertainment to the man" men are visual and thus enjoy gazing at attractive women.
@mistixs I'm visual too I like gazing at attractive men
It's not the same. Or else why did Playgirl go out of business but Playboy was a massive success?
@mistixs granted but still doesn't explain why men have to pay for the first date. Each should pay their share. 50/50 that's my opinion
So what are men going to do to EQUALize the pleasure they get from gazing at the woman & the effort that the woman made to make it pleasurable as possible
@mistixs we obviously disagree.
@mistixs YOU'RE NOT VERY PRETTY LOL get real? you a 1960 vw bug posing as a porsche...
@feminismisnarcissism "I can't come up with a decent argument so I'm gonna attack the person's physical appearance!"
@feminismisnarcissism I think we can disagree with her opinion without commenting on her looks.
bullshit-every rebuttal @mistixs has given is about HER APPEARANCE, so I am actually responding to her argument which is "but just look at me" which she's used to respond to EVERY thoughtful opinion, so @macix670 normally I'd agree-but SHE brought her looks into it 20x before I finally responded to it...
@feminismisnarcissism not my looks specifically; I was referring to women in general
@mistixs YOU made looks the ONLY ARGUMENT YOU HAVE.
so you DEMANDED WE EVALUATE THE TRUTH OF IT IN YOUR CASE and it failed miserably... that was YOUR bad. next time get a real argument instead of "but, but, but... vagina" cuz that'll work about 10 more years at best for an attractive woman... less for an average one.
@mistixs it's your own personal choice to do additional preparations. If you wanted it to be fair and square, you'd own up to your own personal decisions, accept that you spent that much time on your own accord, and then pay for your own personal spending because that's what your choices amounted to.
You're just avoiding responsibility while claiming that females universally care only about money, while males universally care only about appearance, which is just extreme.
@Mesonfielde it says nothing of reality and only reflects on how dull and shallow @mistixs is
I'm a believer in guys paying for a first date however, if I felt like she just expected me to pay for her I would be turned off. To me it seems selfish for you to expect anything other than common human to human respect on a first date. Give me the chance to be the gentleman. I will likely pay no matter what but if she wants a second date she better show me that she isn't a moocher
"All it shows is that you're LAZY and CHEAP." - Right back at you.
#1 and #2 - same goes for you. WE also like you know you're putting an effort in and maybe have your own money also and not looking to sponge off a guy.
It's not 1920 anymore where guys were the primary bread winners, not to mention inflation since then. I also agree with "Every now and then..." Really?
What a load of bollocks.
1. If paying for the first date shows you're making an effort, why shouldn't the girl show she's making an effort too?
2. My financial stability is none of her business
3. Why should the first date be all about the girl?
4. Tradition my arse
Women make an effort. They put way more time money effort and energy in their physical appearance.
And women evolved to seek financial stability in men. Whereas men evolved to seek beauty. By your logic, a woman's beauty is none of YOUR business, so you should be happy going on dates it women in burqas whose appearance you don't get to see
@mistixs Men put energy in physical appearance too lol
@Kuqezi women put way more.
@mistixs Can you explain this sexist stereotype?
@Kuqezi it's fact? Thebeauty industry for women is a multimillion dollar industry
I think it is lovely when a guy insists on paying for a first date but it should never be a deal breaker. Thats just wrong. Of course I would be happy to pay for my own meal or both of our meals or just pay next time we go out it just depends on the situation. But making a big deal if you have to pay for your own meal is just rude and cheap
So we want equality, but not when it comes to free food. Okay then. 😒
did you get hit with a widsom rock recently? first logical opinion I've seen from you lol
@feminismisnarcissism I was like hmm... Then I put two and two together and thought "Hm, maybe this is why guys hate us." 😛
well.. you're right. guys don't like doublestandards anymore than women. glad you're starting to see it :)
@feminismisnarcissism thanks for the follow too man 👍
you too :)
I love you. You're the only smart female here
@Table20 thanks :)
When you put a price on your vagina, guess what?
You're a whore.
The worst thing is you not even guaranteed a shag.
@bobbyxx that's where hookers come in my friend
Every woman should be a whore.
Men don't deserve pussy for free.
#ProudlyAWhore
I think if you believe a man should pay for you then you don't deserve equality. If you expect a man to then maybe you come off as cheap, a user, spoiled, not making a effort, or financially unstable.
brilliant woman's take here< " If you expect a man to then maybe you come off as cheap, a user, spoiled, not making a effort, or financially unstable." you forgot "and sound like a prostitute..."
"If you expect a woman to put more effort into her appearance than you (which most men do), then you come off as shallow, a user, not making an effort, and don't deserve equality."
@mistixs we weren't talking about appearance. A guy who thinks that way is an ass.
@WhaChaChaKing the most important thing for a woman to do for a date in order to put effort into her appearance, is that she shouldn't wear any makeup because it ruins her natural charms :p
AAAaaannnddd another one folks!
Stop looking for free handouts you lazy bum. It's 2016. The genders are equal now.
So are you spending an equal amount of time, money, and energy on your appearance as women are expected to?
@mistixs No, but I spent 15 times as much looking for a woman as men are expected to
At least I don't have to worry about that now
All it shows is that you're LAZY and CHEAP
no, maybe it shows he's waiting to invest in you. Why on earth we should invest in people who judge us for our assumed wealth?
thank you tho, you just rembered how superficial and cheap are some women in the dating world
"on the first date, women should be able to show up in a burqa & not reveal their appearance to the man, to make sure the man isn't using her for her looks & being superficial"
@mistixs smells like third wave and islam-loving feminism if ya ask me
also, please - being superficial for her looks? eh, so i guess thats why Young super hot supermodels are dating old millionairs, cos sure as hell they ain't that superficial
whatever
Why are old millionaires dating young super hot supermodels? Because men are also superficial
@mistixs i agree on that. we're both visual creatures
No, men are more visual and women are more financial, and if men are allowed to be visual, women should be allowed to be financial
@mistixs thats mixing up stuff - nature (visuals) have nothing to do with financial (artificial)
You can't know what a man have in his own pocket just according to presupponing its wealth : its just a money grabbing move. As a man, i dont look as a girl in that manner, thats disrespectful
Women are naturally attracted to men with resources
@mistixs so being gold diggers is natural? seems like you're implying this. c'mon thats bs and you know it
Yes. This is a cross cultural phenomenon even among rich women, and also in females of other species
@mistixs then for the same reason a sane man would just invest in whores - they both proved sex and once sex is finished everyone is on its own. Cmon now, you're tying to justificate gold diggint via nature and the stupid nature (no pun intended) of this post. That's why chivalry is dead - we're supposed, as Men, to provide wealth? eh ok. i regret im a male then, being a woman is easier if you put it this way
*provides
sorry for the bad typing.
It's because women bear the entire burden in reproduction; they evolved to seek a man who could support them in doing so, which includes providing resources
@mistixs so evolution wise women can't provide stuff for themselves and are only good for reproduction, you're implying this?
Nope.
@mistixs then why on earth men should say the truth abut the wealth they have or date a girl if girls aren't able to step out of that evolutionary misstep?
"So why should women say the truth about beauty they have, if men aren't able to step out of their evolutionary desire for sexy mates?"
@mistixs you're talking to someone who hooked up (pass me the horrible term) with totally different girls and i acquired my own taste. i dont judge that much on phisique as i used to, but i got my preferences. Still, that is nature, wealth is artificial. You can't hunt food for a woman (natural) to provide her wealth, you have to dress up (artificially hiding or enchance your personality) to do that. Its fucked up. Also, being a woman and looking just on a man presumed wealth is fucked up
Seeking a man w resources is natural, and in our world, that's wealth
@mistixs yeah but assuming it and giving him a chance just for an assumption (he can be lying) is just a gold digger behaviour. and if a woman can't do the same - be a source to provide wealth what she is. aside of a parasite?
she provides other things.
@mistixs so a hooker is a smarter woman. she takes what she needs and leave?
OMG so many butthurt guys and feminazis on this site. I expect a MAN to be a MAN and pick up the fucking bill. Women are biologically wired to want a guy who is financially stable and can protect us.
So you're gonna use biology as an excuse to not pay for your own meal? Classic.
And men are biologically wired to not want a girl who is gonna screw him over financially. I'm all for the protecting, but I'm not gonna let you drag me down because of your inability to be financially responsible.
"Women are biologically wired to want a guy who is financially stable"
Except financial stability isn't related to biology since money isn't even a natural thing. It's an entirely man-made concept.
Money isn't a biological phenomenon, lol.
@Mesonfielde you just summed up what I said but yeah lol
In the 21st century, men don't need to hunt down animals or protect his family from animal hostility. Protection = money.
Women are biologically wired to want a man of vast resources who can provide protection.
What you're actually saying is "I'm a gold digger, so I assume every woman is genetically determined to be a gold digger because they have a vagina"
That's quite the narcissism.
If you want money so bad then why don't you learn to become an independent woman and make your own money. You're just making excuses to cover up your identity as a gold digger.
A gold digger is someone who dates others to purely extract money from them. I'm financially independent and I already come from a well off family. Both for my parents are doctors. Trust me, I'm fully capable of paying for a $50 meal. I want a guy to pay for my meal because I'm a traditional woman and I conform to traditional gender norms. I'm not a dominant, assertive modern women. I plan on being a devoted wife who takes care of her man.
@Lemonadelover what can you do for the guy on the first date? If he has to pay then what can you do besides showing up? I don't know if you realize this but guys want you to show you also care.
@dontknow12 The guys I date insists on paying.
@Lemonadelover You don't get what I'm trying to ask. You claim that guys have to pay to show they care. Ok cool, now what can you offer back? So far throughout this whole conversation you haven't told me what you're capable of offering.
@dontknow12 I believe the guy should be the protector and the woman should be the nurturer. A traditional woman cooks, cleans, gardens, decorates the home and takes care of the kids if the guy is the sole breadwinner and the provider. I've studied evolutionary psychology and strongly believe our behavior is tied to genetics, biology and evolution. Guys , on average, are taller, physically stronger and have higher IQ than women. Women are more intuitive , nurturing and have a thing called maternal instinct. It is the nature's way of saying the guy is the provider. There will always be people who are deviations from the norm like homosexuals, transgenderes and gender queer people. But I identify myself as a woman and want to be treated like one.
^ So in other words, all of your efforts will not be for your man but for your kids instead. But he still needs to be the "protector" and do everything for both you AND the kids. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
"Guys , on average, are taller, physically stronger and have higher IQ than women."
Statistically, women have a higher IQ. While it's true the highest recorded IQs do belong to men, there's also a bigger difference between IQ levels between men. They tend to be either really high or really low but women are usually closer to average. But the average that's been recorded is still higher for women.
@LadyTerror Men are still better at visual- spatial things and better at math. Only 18 percent of engineers are female in the USA.
That's because there are more men on the higher side, but there are also more on the lower side
@LadyTerror Men are still physically stronger. Men on the " lower end" can work blue collar jobs and make more money. Also I clearly mentioned that a traditional woman will put effort into taking care of her man.
@Lemonadelover I've studied evolution, psychology, sociology, biology. I've studied all that. Everything you said is technically true, but in the world we live in today we don't have to oblige to any of it. With that said, women need to learn to protect and provide for themselves. Just like men should cook and clean and play with their kids. This who traditional aspect is way too one dimensional and there's no flexibility. What are you gonna do when you walk out the house by yourself and your husband isn't there to protect you? You need to learn to protect yourself. What if you're at home by yourself and your husband isn't there to provide you money? At least if you work or save up money you can go out and buy food with your own money. You see how many more options you have? Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to shame on you for being traditional, but after speaking with many traditional women it appears most of you have this mentality where there's no independencey.
@dontknow12 I agree with you
@dontknow12 Being independent can be very liberating and empowering for any gender. I pay my own phone bills despite having well off parents. But a traditional woman does not depend on her man. She also works hard and contributes to the relationship.
A traditional women does depend on her man. She relies on him financially to pay the bills and protect the family. She relies on him to be a leader. She looks up to him as the head of the household.
@dontknow12 A traditional man relies on his wife to cook, clean, take care of the kids, take them to soccer, piano and ballet lessons, keep track of all the doctor's appointments and family finances. My dad's Korean colleague ( also a doctor) gives his monthly salary to his wife. She sets aside some disposable income for vacations, gives him allowance and pays all the bills. It's also incredibly hard for a mother of 4-5 children to work outside of home.
^ But all of that happens after marriage. What about the first date? He's paying for the meal but what are YOU offering him? Why should he be interested in a second date with you?
@LadyTerror I like it when the guy holds the door open, pulls out my chair and pays for my meal. It doesn't have to be a transactional experience. Some guys like to take care of their woman. All the guys in my family REFUSE to pay let the girls pay anything. I went shopping with my cousins in Dubai and when I pulled out my credit card from my wallet my uncle snatched it and paid for my hand bags and gold necklace.
@Lemonadelover "A traditional man relies on his wife to cook, clean, take care of the kids, take them to soccer, piano and ballet lessons, keep track of all the doctor's appointments and family finances."
Yeah, but he can do all of that himself, but if the wife is at home all day then of course it's expected of her to do that.
You still didn't answer my question. What are you offering him on the first date?
@dontknow12 pulptastic.com/.../
@dontknow12 He can't work full time and do all of that.
@LadyTerror LOOK I'm being really nice. Most traditionalists won't even waste their time explaining this to your feminazi ass.
I'm offering him the opportunity to assert his manliness. It speaks to a man’s values and shows that he is a gentleman. The courting process doesn't start on the first date. It starts right after the guy makes the decision to go on a date with you.
@dontknow12 I can't believe I'm being nice enough to answer all of your stupid questions. Other traditional women probably told you to be a MAN and stop being a cheap ass loser.
@dontknow12 @LadyTerror It's ok guys, you don't have to worry about what she has to offer on the first date because thankfully you guys don't have to worry about dating her. It's only the issue for the guy who asks her on a date. But you'll never get your answer from @Lemonadelover because I don't think she feels she has to offer anything up at the first date. It's the guy's responsibility to prove his worth to her since he asked her out in the first place.
@LadyTerror women put a lot more effort into their appearance than men because men are visually oriented. Whereas women are financially oriented, hence men paying for dates
another prostitution argument.
@mistixs financially oriented women are called "gold diggers"
@Mesonfielde then what are visually oriented men called? Since we are so focused on shaming people's sexual wiring
@mistixs finance is not a biologically inherent trait, lol
@Mesonfielde seeking resources. Which, in our world, is money
@mistixs assuming you have no resources of your own which is typically false, and assuming that to a male human it's irrelevant if the female has resource of her own or not which is also false :p
@Lemonadelover just make sure you plan to be expected to be a WOMAN and shut the fuck up and do as you're told and be on your knees most of the time.
now you know how YOU sound :) ugly ain't it
@feminismisnarcissism wrong the equivalent isn't women obeying but women working harder on their appearance
@mistixs dafuq are you talking about and why are you even wasting time doing that
Selfish and one sided.
It's fine you don't want to date guys who don't pay, the whole purpose of it is to weed people like you out anyway.
Another marvelous comment =D Totally agreed!
My husband paid for all of our dates when we were first getting together, except for when he lost his job, then I helped.
You're traditional lmfao. No you're just another one of the modern day entitled feminazi brats who is insanely narcissistic, has an inflated sense of self worth and think she is owed special treatment and free meals based on her gender. Yet you believe in equality, of course that is only when it benefits you. If you truly believe in equality you would want that bill to be split. It's women like you who drag the rest of your gender down.
We have something in common I wouldn't date a girl that wouldn't pay for herself.
1. Why should the guy make more of a effort than the girl?
2. Being able to pay for yourself means you're financially stable. Expecting others to pay for you means you think you are entitled.
3. Only after it becomes exclusive not before.
4. If you want a traditional gentlemen then you should be a traditional lady otherwise you're a hypocrite.
You have a pussy, not a bar of gold. GET OVER YOURSELF.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=71o3hq6iSPM
Watch this, sweety...
Interesting video
Agree 100% with that video.
he is right 100%
Yes just sees men as a source of income.
All this take does is reinforce we why should never pay on the first date as it will weed out entitled women like your self.
we should split the first date and i'd be happy to pay for the second. Second date usually means you two mildly enjoy each others company.
Not sure how a free lunch became political but whatever. Kinda a tangent their.
You wanna be traditional, ok get in the kitchen and make a delicious sandwich after that clean the house and hand wash my dirty clothes. I expect your legs spread by 10pm!
For real.
@tyrantfuryre This girl is definitely a sugar babie.
Well said xD :D :) :>
lol agree , well said mate
Traditional? Sure you are honey. So you have no problem cooking and cleaning up after your man right? How about giving him sex and then silence?
No? Then why the hell should he pay for the first date?
Men are visual & wired to seek attractive mates, so their extra treat is the woman's appearance, which women put more time, effort, & MONEY into.
Women are wired to seek mates who can provide for them, hence paying for dates.
So if you want to force women to go against their innate wiring, then it's only "equal" for you to do the same; I hope you're OK with dating a woman wearing a burqa.