The Destruction of the American Father

[pavlove]

Not yet another take demonizing women but like women are at fault for this and so are men...

I was getting drinks with a couple. it was the girl's birthday and she called her boyfriend and idiot for not realizing something simple like forgetting where he parked the car or something. and i thought to myself, if he called her an idiot for the same thing the whole table would shift their collective heads in judgmental staresa at him. why the double standard?

I think it starts at the home, the American home, since that's my culture. For some reason, it's become the thing to treat the father like a twidling oaf who couldn't make it very long without his wife who's obviously the brains behind the family structure. Doesn't matter if he's a doctor and she's a housewife, she is the smart one and most rational when it comes to family stuff. If he gets a little pudgy around the midsection she can tease him about it and the kids follow suit but run for your life if he calls her a little pudgy around the midsection.

This is repeated in popular television, social media etc. The idea of the American dad as some kind of joke of a man. As this guy who begs for sex and who's life is made when his wife finally decides to give him his once a week happy time. who even though he works all day, doesn't get a moments peace at home and shouldn't expect it. Who's expected to understand when his wife chooses to go to an office party instead of their dinner date but again god help him if he decides to go to an office retreat instead of that paris trip he talked about in passing. It's also for some reason fine if he spoils his daughter and outright prefers her company but he's a devil if he feels more connected with his son and spoils him and gives him a lot of attention as his pride and joy.

This has had a cumulative effect to where the American father is not what he should be. Daughters learn its ok to make fun of daddy and develop really bratty behavior (a huge reason for guys dumping girls that guys never cop to is because they act like brats) Sons don't respect their fathers or think they're that all that awesome and in some cases are even told by their mothers to be "nothing like your father" when they grow up and follow suit. By the time they realize your dad was struggling form a culture that was repressing and pushing him down its too late he's become that dad.

Here's the thing, it's not a bad thing for women to be able to tease their husbands and in fact a wife who's too submissive is a bad example for her daughter who has a right to have opinions and make jokes around the guys she will date and marry. But only to the extent that she is willing to take it given right back to her. a woman should never put her hands on a guy in a violent way (unless he likes that kind of thing) a woman should never outright insult a guy and not expect whatever her reaction to being insulted would be. it's not about being tough enough its about the fact that the joke in question was intended as a put down and not a laugh (i agree men should be able to take a joke) in other words women, it's not ok for you to take out your anger through barrage of insults and put downs because if nothing else your own safety. you don't know what a guy is capable of and you don't want to keep poking until you find out (well some of you do but you shouldn't)

find a man that is connected with his father who's learned the spirit of the male experience and is at peace with it. Show your father more respect and admiration than maybe he even has earned and do so because he's your father. it will make things a lot more harmonious

[whitedahlia]

It's all about respect. You included a picture from the movie American Beauty which expands on this very subject. Growing up, I've seen commercials where the wife questions her husband about why he's in their fridge looking for food, where the husband breaks the washer machine and is either made fun of for attempting to fix it or put into the ground for trying to prove his "manliness" - and, for some unknown reason, there's no in between for men. If they're masculine then they're considered dominant, aggressive and controlling. If they're the opposite then they're weak, a sissy, pussy whipped by their wives. It's somehow okay to poke fun at his weight and appearance, his level of manliness, his performance in bed, how much money he makes, etc. Some wives feel that by doing this they're keeping their man in check so he won't get a big ego or even cheat. I wasn't aware men "needed" to be reminded of their supposed, imagined place. I think it's because there's no respect. Some women treat men like they're idiots. Some wives treat their husbands like he's an overgrown child. And it doesn't help that some men cave into this twisted way of thinking because it's how they were raised and what they expect when they marry. Like they have to ask for permission to do things or spend money, like they have to create a joint Facebook account with their name and their wife's name meshed together to make a ridiculous moniker, like they're an idiot for not being able to fix something or if they forget soemthing. Men have been told for so long that they're unimportant, they only ever cause problems due to their selfishness, all they think about and all they're good for is sex. I don't know about y'all but I think it's demeaning, degrading and outright disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Men today are pathetic simps. For one you spend most of your time on how you can change yourself for women to get pussy, like female pics on FB/social media, and basically allocate a large percentage of your life towards worshipping women.

Men also today are misandry to their own gender and will sell out their own values/belief if they think it can get them pussy. So many times we've seen how pathetic men on gag have been with their captain save a ho mentality thinking being a white knight will get them nudes.

Men also don't stand up for themselves, when they do get a girl. They are so afraid of her leaving them that they let her get away with it, sometimes even convincing themselves that they give them a pass because they love them.

Also, women are smart. When it comes to picking of mates many women will have fun with dominant men who lead them in their youth and if it doesn't work out will pick a submissive male who they can control and walk all over to be their husband/BF for LTR. This behaviour is passed down from father to son and also teachers young girls to disrespect men early on.

For women who do end up single mothers. They often train their young men to be total wimps who women can walk all over because those are the type of men they actually want now as well. There was even this article a year back where a single mom was going on dates with her son and making him pay for her meals with his allowance so he would do the same for women he goes out on dates with.

[Opinion Owner]

The media doesn't help either with their constant portrayal of father's as bumbling oafs while the mom is the true mastermind running the household. This started back way into the 90's on shows like everyone loves raymond.

[MagiAlphaOne]

You have clearly learned many "Red Pill" Truths SIR!

[redeyemindtricks]

Well, it's not like a woman WANTS to find herself in a rl with some contemptible spineless schmo. And, of course, if you're going to give someone yr respect and trust, you need to put them through SOME sort of "testing" to determine whether they actually **deserve** those things.
So... I'm inclined to think this sort of thing is (consciously or not) a test of the boy's backbone. If he can "put her in his place" when faced with this sort of thing -- basically, if he can just react to it the same way he'd react to a 6-year-old throwing a tantrum -- then I doubt she would keep it up with the same intensity. And BOTH of them would be a lot happier with, and more respectful of, each other.

So, yeah.
Also -- just speaking from (rather extensive) personal experience -- I've never, ever, EVER seen this sort of dynamic in a rl where the boy HAS consistently stood up to it, in a way that's firm, and mb even a bit condescending, but not over-reactive (... again, the same way you'd react to a kid throwing a tantrum in public).
I've ONLY seen this in relationships where the dude has clearly just stopped trying to be a MAN, and is basically just **passive** in every damn sense of that word. The worst is when these rl's are marriages with teenage (or tween age) kids, because that sort of father has no credible **authority** with his children (... and, if both parents are present, HIS lack of authority can undermine HER authority, too).

I mean, it's not like we're asking the sun, the moon and the fucking stars here. A spine. Is what we're asking for. That's pretty much it. (And no, being a "better provider" is not going to move that needle, either. If anything that could even have the opposite effect.)

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As far as television...
The reason you'll see that dynamic on tv -- and not the more dominant male dynamic -- is because people **who see this dynamic and are influenced by it** aren't going to (inadvertently) become abusers as a result.

Like okay. Look at 1:53 of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIXesw4YXYI&t=131s

That slap is done with PERFECT control. That man handles that situation with admirable calmness and self-restraint. He's not "violent", nor is he an "abuser", in any way.
The problem though -- like, if some show had a male character delivering this

[redeyemindtricks]

sort of slap to a female character -- is that PEOPLE WOULD TAKE THE WHOLE THING TOO FAR. And REAL abuse would occur as a result.
There's no equivalent fallout for the "cheesy wimpy dude" portrayals you're talking about. So, if you're going to err on one side of the spectrum... that's the side you want to err on.

[lord_chilled]

Okay, opinion, owner. Im really glad i caught redeye , right here with you. So you just admitted that you want to be put in place like a 6 year old when you step out of line.

@redeyemindtricks
Remember me saying that i didn't see women as children, that you did?
This is what im talking about. Its females that want us to treat them like children.
Ah, this day has started out pretty great for me

[redeyemindtricks]

@lord_chilled And you, dear, are EXACTLY the kind of person who would see a non-abusive, controlled slap on television, and then go beat up some woman and genuinely be unaware of the difference.

I understand you are mildly obsessed with me, but, rlly, it's okay, you don't need to follow me around the site.

[lord_chilled]

Wow there has been a slight misunderstanding. I didn't realize you were the opinion owner. I didn't read the username of the opinion you posted, and only saw your reply (which was basically you vontinueing your opinion). I tought it was you replying to another womans comment, even tough it seemed a bit odd.
Well, this is even better. So its you yourself that admitted you want to be treated like a child.

And no i dont go around beating up women. In fact i had been a few occasions where the right thing to do would have been a bitch slap, and yet i decided not to , to avoid the shitstorm that would follow of beating a woman.

And please dont flatter yourself, im not following you, i just happened to run into you after reading the comments of a good take. However if you are scared of me, you can just say so and i will leave.

[0112358]

I have no doubt that where I live, if that slap was delivered in public, people would have the guy arrested...

"if he can just react to it the same way he'd react to a 6-year-old throwing a tantrum -- then I doubt she would keep it up with the same intensity. And BOTH of them would be a lot happier with, and more respectful of, each other."

Fully agree that's what should happen. But I virtually never see it, and in my case was absolutely NOT raised to do so, and as far as I can tell, boys in my area are not raised that way either. They are absolutely raised to take every woman's complaint very seriously. I've often used the 'toddler tantrum' example myself, but only after -I- learned it, after having kids. I've suggested it to other men here, and they're -stunned-. The idea has zero traction here.

As for the women? I agree a lot are subconsciously testing, but the majority around here will walk away if the guy doesn't fall for the tantrum. So they...

[0112358]

... actually DO choose spineless guys, and then are miserable. We are grooming boys to be meek, and grooming girls to pick meek boys, and then both are miserable. The whole idea of guys being strong, caring and benevolent leaders and women appreciating that? My parents were like that, but THEY were considered out of date in this area when I was a child in the 80's, and they specifically raised my sister and I telling us that the world wasn't like that any more.

I think I've seen... maybe one couple under 50, in person, where the guy confidently leads the relationship. I -read- about them. But it's almost unheard of where I live, and no, most women do not actively look for it and reject the idea.

[spoonman2014]

@0112358 Maybe frail and weak is the wrong words to use but girls want someone they can dominate. Women are emotional thinkers, they see guys who served in the military, preform manual labor and know trades as grandfatherly. I was in the military and I dated this one when I got out. She told me she wanted a better job and go back to school to become an x-ray technician. So I tried to help her with those things but her friends told her I was emotionally abusing her by doing that. So she dumped me and went for a unemployed dead beat dad, they ended up physically hurting each other in the end and none of her friends cared and home girl calls me crying that she can't find anyone nice. But I don't care because she and her friends probably think I hate those japs and Eisenhower was best president we ever had. Every time something is broken in their lives they came running to me or someone else who knows how to fix it while their idiot boyfriends stand around and do nothing. But you're right

[redeyemindtricks]

@0112358 Well, precedent matters a LOT. If dude is extremely conflict-avoidant in general, not very physical (generally, not just in arguments), and has spent years approaching disagreements with extreme reluctance, withdrawal, defensiveness and non-physicality... then ANY slap is gna scare the fuck out of his partner, because it's so out of character.

I mean We have 2 dogs. We've studiously trained them not to jump or bite, but one of them still playfully nips. The other doesn't. We've had them both for about 3 years.
Point is... A nip from the dog with a habit of nipping? Nbd. The same slight nip from the other dog, who NEVER nips? Uhh holy fuck, something's very wrong, bite danger! Time to see the vet, she could be sick!
You get me.

so... if spinelessness is a longstanding norm, then, yh I don't know if the situation can be salvaged.

I know a fair share of dudes well under 50 who wield this sort of authority with.. well, authority. Mine is 47 so he may not count, lol. But my

[redeyemindtricks]

best friend's husband is like 31, give or take a year (she's about 11 years older than him) and that boy can LAY IT DOWN when necessary. My bff is the Big Mama archetype to a T, and frankly she's... well, she's a bitch. But her man "keeps her in line". Her words. Oft repeated, too.
I know plenty of other examples. he's just the one I know best.

Disclaimer, the boys i'm thinking of are all from the demographic I grew up around (= very working class, eastside Long Beach).
I don't know the intimate affairs of too many couples in the demographic that surrounds me now (Hollywood hills) -- so who knows, mb all the wives here are shrewish control freaks who have their husbands' nuts on lockdown. Lol.

[pavlove]

@redeyemindtricks you might like to test but we as men don't like to be tested. especially, in the sense that it's a power move, we're demonstrating our value to you based on your tests. i know men who deal with it, who pass the test with flying colors but i'd say even they are hard pressed to agree that it's a good thing that women test men's spines.

here's what it really comes down to in terms of women like you i know how you think. you want a man to show you how much he likes/loves you. again, a lot of you probably had fathers who slapped your mom around every now and then. to you being slapped around in some dark part of your mind you wouldn't want to admit makes you feel loved because at least he's taking the energy and attention and his emotions are ignited enough as a result of you to do it. being insulted back when you started talking shit about him is yet another version of this. but what you don't get is abuse has no place in a relationship that's healthy.

[pavlove]

i get that it makes you feel loved and attractive but it's something to grow out of not worship about yourself that you like to push men's buttons to get a reaction

[redeyemindtricks]

Smh, I KNEW you were gna play the "daddy issues" card right off the top of the deck.
Ironic, that one -- because women who had abusive, negligent and/or absent fathers are, if anything, more likely to be the OPPOSITE.
Specifically, the whole constellation of traits that characterize "daddy issues" include being EXTRA NEEDY -- to the point where many of those women not only **don't** test their mates, but will pretty much take ANY kind of male company, no matter how abusive, and roll with it. Because, hey, a boy is paying attention to them!
... yeah.

By contrast, the kind of testing I'm describing is much much MUCH more likely to have grown out of proportion in women whose fathers **spoiled** them, like little divas. The absolute worst -- to such a degree that I would often find these women insufferable even as girlfriends, let alone imagining what it'd have been like to be a boy trying to date/fuck them -- were the women whose fathers had spoiled them rotten WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY

[redeyemindtricks]

raising their BROTHERS with "discipline" that went beyond excessive. Those women had learned -- by example -- a worldview in which giving/doing is for boys, and getting/taking is for girls. A worldview that was enforced BY A MAN (their father), by the way -- so, not possible to dismiss as simple selfishness on the woman's part.
THOSE are the women who test TOO much.
Not the ones with daddy issues. Oh no no no. Oh sweet bright burning hell to the no.

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"here's what it really comes down to in terms of women like you i know how you think"

^^ You rlly don't, and the stuff you wrote is fundamentally inaccurate. You shd stick to saying things that have a chance of being true, like, "I know how some of you ACT". Not think.

... because, honestly, most of this DOESN'T INVOLVE "thinking" AT ALL. It's entirely subconscious. ANd believe me, most women in long-established relationships would LOVE to put a stop to it and be "content", but, dude, it's an ANCESTRAL TRAIT. It's not the kind of thing

[redeyemindtricks]

that you can just *will* out of existence because it's inconvenient.

Again... Ancestral trait. Since the fucking dawn of the human race, and for completely obvious and completely compelling fundamental reasons.
Ahahah "grow out of it"...
Dude
I'll make you a deal: We'll "outgrow" the whole keep-the-boy-on-his-toes thing when YOU boys "outgrow" yr (similarly ancestral) preference for hourglass figures. Deal? Yh didn't think so.

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And finally -- Yes, there are men out there who really DO **relish** that sort of intense emotional/verbal engagement with a woman.
I know you just *refuse* to believe this -- I've seen you write this on numerous occasions, with an almost religious strength of conviction -- and you'll even hold to this idea that ALL boys eventually resent this, even when you see with yr own eyes that some of them play off of it with aplomb ("Oh don't worry, they'll tire of it").

I do agree that MOST men don't love this -- but, no one said assortative mating was supposed

[redeyemindtricks]

to be a walk in the park. Before modern times, this shit meant raw survival, dude. Again... ain't going anywhere.
... and yes, just as there are boys who would join underground fight clubs, there are also boys who willingly -- and adoringly -- sign up for "Relationship Fight Club". Mine is one of these boys. I just made up that analogy now, but, it's a rlly good one -- our marriage is very much like "Relationship Fight Club". We get INTO it, boy. It's passionate, it's beautiful, it's hateful, it's obsessive, it's loving, it's everyfuckingthing and a bag of chips, and it's been our life for nearly 18 years now. What, do you think he's just gna turn after, like, 26 years and be like "Bitch, I've had it with this"? Ahahah nope.

You're not going to find women who "outgrow" this trait -- just as you won't find boys who outgrow their physical preferences in women -- but, you WILL find women who **mellow** over the years, to an extent where the intensity of EVERYTHING they do begins to

[redeyemindtricks]

fade.
There are actually lots and lots and lots of such women.
BUT...
What you're not getting is...
That's just one of a whole interconnected network of behaviors, which will ALSO fade in these women as they age and/or settle into a long term rl.
... Their sex drive will also fade.
... Their motivation to keep themselves up physically will fade, too.
... Their general lust for life, and ambition of all sorts, will take one fuck of a hit, too.
Etc etc. Just as some men lose the vigor and intensity of youth in a whole shitload of interconnected ways, too. On both sides, mostly hardwired, as a result of hormonal diminutions.
If you're willing to take those tradeoffs -- a disappearing sex life, an increased tendency toward torpor and inactivity, and a general flatline in terms of personality overall -- then, you can definitely have yrself a woman who ramps down (or stops) the testing.

Want a HOT woman who STAYS hot -- and hot-blooded? Who'll still light up a room when she's my age and has

[redeyemindtricks]

been married the better part of 20 years? Package deal, boy. A woman like that, you keep PROVING yrself to her. Because if you don't, there will never ever ever EVER be a shortage of replacements who will. <3

[lord_chilled]

Redeye, i agree with you on the spoilt princess example, they tend to shittest more than the ones with daddy issues.

However, i will have to disagree with your "primal, ancestral" reasoning of shit tests, especially since you conoared it with the hourglass figure.
Not all men like hourglass, personally , i prefer pear. Men have a variety of preferences, on what turns them on, they change from man to man.
Women tend to agree on who is hot a lot more than men do (not my words, this was according to a study)
Now, to the point, my problem with what you said is that you are using it as an excuse.
Well you know what else is primal? Having sex with as many women as possible is primal for men too. Fighting and sometimes killing each other is as well.
However if ee can learn not to live like savages and commit to a single woman for life, and even enjoy it, then i think yiu can avoid your shit tests as well.

Who am i kidding, thats not gonna happen

[redeyemindtricks]

@lord_chilled Men have diverse preferences, just as women do -- and just as do women's modes of "testing" their mates. One woman's tests might be mainly verbal, another's might be mainly physical, still another's might involve core values or beliefs.
The hourglass itself isn't my point -- that should have been obvious. My point is that certain items aren't fundamentally going to change.

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When you say "having sex with lots of women is primal" for men, I sure hope you aren't implying that strict monogamy is primal for women! Ahahhah

One recent bestseller that does a decent job of summarizing this work is "The Red Queen", by Matt Ridley. You should read it.
In chapter 7 of that book, Ridley summarizes the current state of research regarding all this nasty filthiness:
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Yep, even ORGASMS are evolved with this neat little duality in mind. Life is grand, ain't it?

The author

[pavlove]

@redeyemindtricks you just say random stuff that has no medical, scientific, professional backing. no, in general women who come from broken homes ultimately recreate that upbringing in their own lives. they may try the opposite in their youth, but that's where they end up. that's where they feel comfortable.

it is a cultural thing and in general a guy who doesn't like shit testing bratty girls (and lets be clear thats what giving tests to guys over and over is: bratty) may have a harder time at it in say a poor culture where that type of behavior out of females is acceptable. however it takes only one good woman who doesn't feel the need to try to get a hot reaction out of him just to test his manhood everyday... and those women exist in any culture

[redeyemindtricks]

summarizes thus:
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... yeahhhh

Tbh dude, if a woman NEVER tests yr fortitude, **THAT** is when you should start to worry!
Because, in terms of primitive "wiring", our brains are basically equipped with 2 modules -- the "ideal lover" module, and the "ideal provider" module.
And, as Ridley describes in those excerpts (... and as common sense would predict, if you set aside moral conditioning and think about it for a sec), those are by default NOT THE SAME DUDE.

For boys we want to FUCK... that's where all the testing happens. Because, ancestrally, those are tests for the genes we want IN OUR KIDS. Got a better sense, now, of why the testing is so relentless?

Vs. for boys who "provide" -- there's no reason for ongoing testing. Because (1) the goods are right there for us to see, and, (2) if someone is offering a bunch of free stuff, then, anyone (man or woman!) would be

[redeyemindtricks]

foolish to keep subjecting the person OFFERING the free stuff to a bunch of qualification tests.

Soooo yh, if you are genuinely getting tested 0 times by some woman (... who doesn't have teh kind of severe daddy issues discussed earlier), then, there is almost certainly some sort of gold-digging operation afoot, and the gold that's ripe for the digging is YOURS, friend.

As far as people actually being able to set these things aside -- Well... The vast majority of adults are married. And the vast majority of married couples have children who are the husband's biological children. Sooooo YES, it's pretty self-evident that women ARE, in whatever way, setting aside the tendency to test relentlessly (... since their marriages still exist!) AS WELL AS the lover/provider dichotomy (... because they're overwhelmingly having their husbands' kids).

Is it gna go away COMPLETELY? Well... no.

Finally, about the whole male directive to spread their seed -- Dude come on. If you find a

[redeyemindtricks]

boy who's still young (= the age when he's most likely to get truly no-strings sex) who CAN get a gigantic variety of pussy... then... well, that's exactly what the boy is gna be doing. You think you'll find a boy like that in a committed relationship before he reaches the age where there are ALWAYS strings (of some type) attached to sex? Nope. You won't. You'll find him acting as a slave to that "wiring" of his.

Men are not better than women.

I repeat:
Men are not better than women. They are not more moral, more ethical, more selfless, or more ANYTHING that makes the world go 'round.
Both sexes have their selfish asshole qualities. They're different. Of course they are. But neither occupies some magical high ground.

[0112358]

I gotta read all of this, but yes, -absolutely- there's a huge demographic factor to this. I grew up surrounded by college educated liberal urban whites. Literally, I've never known of a single guy who slapped a woman, ever, in my direct demographic. TBH, I don't think I've ever seen a woman get hit by a male in real life. Ever. And i'm including slapping.

[redeyemindtricks]

"a poor culture where that type of behavior out of females is acceptable"

^^ lol this just gets better and better. now you're telling me how poorer parts of town work? dude, I grew up in the same hardscrabble part of Long Beach that spawned g-funk. I know the hood, because I'm *from* the hood.
To put it simply:
• In ritzy parts of town, relationships are a luxury. When something isn't ultimately necessary, you can be picky as fuck about it -- and women who are materially spoiled tend to be exactly that.
• On the mean streets, relationships are a lot more essential, since surviving on a single low income is damn near impossible. When that happens, women don't test as much, and they let boys get away with all kinds of shit that rich women don't put up with.

@BuchitaBuchys is another blue-collar gal, and I'm sure she'll back up this observation.

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"however it takes only one good woman who doesn't feel the need to try to get a hot reaction out of him just to test his

[redeyemindtricks]

manhood everyday... and those women exist in any culture"

^^ I never said they didn't. What I DID say -- and what I'll go ahead and say again -- is that those women tend to also be way, way lower on things like sex drive, motivation to keep themselves up physically, and general drive to Do Shit other than chill around the house and "nest".
The problem is that lots of boys are expecting a woman with a burning hot sex drive but ZERO compulsion to test their boy. Which may as well be expecting a pink unicorn with gold-plated legs. G'luck with that one.

[redeyemindtricks]

@0112358 Woooooww smmfh. Is all I can say. To that.

[Ovidiu-Nicolae]

That from 1:53 was from my country as I heard well she slapped him because he touched her so much and she askedd why she touch her so much. If that's brutal there is a video where our last president slapped a kid

[lord_chilled]

Boys at young age that would rather have a relationship than fuck plenty of girls? Please, there are millions of them. I know plenty myself, and even tough i wouldn't categorize myself as one, if i met the right girl, i wouldn't be trying to score hookups now.

And as for " Men are not better than women. They are not more moral, more ethical, more selfless, or more ANYTHING that makes the world go 'round."
No , i dont think they are.
But from what you just said im not so sure anymore.
So what you are basically saying is that if our women dont test us, it means she is fucking someone else. And if she is fucking us, there will be shit testing us forever after. So there is no winning then.
Well if thats the case , then im out. Im not getting married. Id rather keep fucking females from time to time than putting uo with either of that shit. I guess that would save me a lot of money and time and allow me to keep my sanity

[redeyemindtricks]

@lord_chilled "So what you are basically saying is that if our women dont test us, it means she is fucking someone else"

^^ Don't put words in my mouth, please.

What I said was:
If she NEVER tests you, then, she doesn't much value you beyond the resources you can provide.

That may or may not mean she has other sexual interests.
Dude, there are plenty of women who are less than thrilled with the entire prospect of sex -- especially if their formative sexual experiences were with boys who didn't give the slightest shit about getting a woman off.

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"Well if thats the case , then im out. Im not getting married. Id rather keep fucking females from time to time than putting uo with either of that shit"

^^ Really?
REALLY?

Dude what?

When I'm talking about tests, I'm hardly talking about the labors of Hercules -- I'm just talking about showing some backbone, now and then.
Tbh, to pass the kinds of tests I'm talking about, **you shouldn't even need any extra effort** over and above

[redeyemindtricks]

how you'd deal with little bits of friction here and there in everyday life.
Really. I'm just talking about having a backbone, and standing up for yrself. Nothing special. You're using this phrase "shit test" as though this is some secret code that you have to study for years and years. Nope. Just... have a spine.

I'm talking about stuff that's NOWHERE NEAR as difficult as parenting a teenager, by the way. If you are sooooo conflict-avoidant that you are literally willing to rearrange YR ENTIRE LIFE -- and redefine yr life goals -- just to avoid standing up for yrself from time to time? Yeah, don't even THINK about having children. They'll destroy you.

[BuchitaBuchys]

Yes, in the hood and poorer relationships, women do put up with a lot more crap than more affluent women. Some even to the point of abuse

I was talking to another user about this, I think it was @0112358.

But I do prefer the "spineless" guys haha

[redeyemindtricks]

@BuchitaBuchys Thanks for digging through all that to find where I tagged you. 😂

I remember that convo, yeah. You also said you'd prefer a marriage/long-term rl in which you could both "get comfortable", and in which neither of you would feel like you had to keep putting a lot of effort into "maintaining" yrselves (... right? I don't wanna put words in yr mouth)
If I'm remembering right, then that data point falls right in line with the stuff I said here.

Also, it's good that you have the self-awareness to KNOW that's what you want. Plenty of people don't.

[lord_chilled]

I didn't put words in your mouth.
you did say that those women didn't value their partners anymore than their provision. and from he study you referred, I put 2 and 2 together. not saying allof them cheat, sometimes it may just be a dull sex life. but then , even if its better than cheating, a dull sex life isn't that great either.

and I know shit tests aren't very difficult, neither am I conflict avoidant. I have dealt with conflict and tests of all kind, all my life. in fact, if I weren't for a certain turn of events, I wouldn't even be surprised by this, and would have no problem with any testing that my woman would do. however, I happened to get a few really good friends a few years back.
a bunch of guys who went trough a lot of shit with me. we had our moments as well. while I saw the true, selfish nature of people during that time, as I had always, I also saw the unconditional love that my buddies showed me. they always, ALWAYS had my back, no matter what happened. and they

[lord_chilled]

were the only people who actually loved me, without expecting anything in return.
I had never felt that way before, even with my parents.
lets just say they kinda ruined me by setting the bar way too high. i look at girlfriends as potential life partners. and I have this desire where they would like me just as much as my bros do. but there is always some obligation, or condition that is set , in order to obtain that love.
shit testing, I feel, is a way woman constantly evaluate me. and if they constantly evaluate me, does that mean that they will only like me if I pass?
I can pass the test once or 10 times or a 100 times. nothing new. but if that's how a relationship with a woman is based on, then does she truly love me?
what you said just made me think a lot

[redeyemindtricks]

@lord_chilled REAL love is not complacent. It doesn't stagnate.

When you REALLY love someone, you want to see them GROW. And develop. And become BETTER, in all sorts of ways.

I'm a mother. I will always, always love my children. But, a big part of me would wither and die if my children were content to lie back and just be the same people, day in, day out. My love (and their father's) is DYNAMIC.
We push them, constantly, to be better people. We aren't perfect, sometimes we might push a little too hard, but, we do our best.

A parent isn't the same thing as a partner, obviously -- but, the dynamism is the same.

REAL love WANTS to see EFFORT.
Not just effort from our partners toward us -- but, also, effort from our partners on THEMSELVES.

__

And dude
You're 21.
I don't know what kind of experiences you're talking about, since you're being so purposely vague. But, unless these people earned yr trust and confidence and then literally used that to try to kill you... you're gna

[redeyemindtricks]

have to pick yrself up (after some grieving period), dust yrself off, and get back to living life again.
Life isn't all hearts and flowers. Sometimes it sucks. And when it sucks, it can REALLY suck. Entire years of yr life can be unfair, tragic, heartbreaking, and completely unexplainable.
But... fuck. Fucking fuck. You're 21. You're still a baby. There's NO FUCKING WAY you're broken beyond repair by this point.

The game is not over.

The game may not even have started yet.

[lord_chilled]

im not being purposefully vague. I don't want to share all the details of my life, I just wanted to paint a picture for better understanding. nothing happened that would make me jump off a cliff, there were just times which weren't exactly a bed of roses, and where the people who were loyal to me were revealed.
and I know that true friends won't ever judge you, and that parental love works different, I just hoped spousal love would be closer to the way its with close friends than with parents.
im not saying I broken. I just meant I had high standards

[BuchitaBuchys]

Haha yea. I'm lazy af. Like extremely low maintenance

[redeyemindtricks]

@lord_chilled Seeing my girlfriends in dead-end relationships/lives, not continuing to grow, would hurt too. And my male friends.
Still same kind of love.

[pavlove]

@0112358 exactly man it makes a lot of sense now why she's promoting violence and not doing so sarcastically. If you can't resolve issues through words walk away. If she puts her hands on me I take them off warn her and leave her alone forever I wouldn't care if I knew her for ten years that's a line every man and every woman should have when you physically fight with the opposite gender you're pathetic

[Tdieseler]

@pavlove redeye speaks truth *flicks the nearest object off the table* (dammit) some women deserve the asswhooping... apparently words weren't working. we do have restraint cuz we love and respect em, but some of em dont respect themselves... so they throw hands. its their way of communicating.

[helloitsmethere]

Oh how I've missed you... lol

[redeyemindtricks]

@helloitsmethere #muah <3

[pavlove]

Red eye you should be concerned when a good amount of your following is well under half your age that your thoughts aren't really appropriate to your status almost like you never grew up mentally only being a dinasour physically. Tell me why are the old guys on here wide and empathetic while the old women on here are pathetic and bitter? I'm curious

[BigBallerSodaPop]

Yes, men are more capable than women.

[JapanFreak2323]

@redeyemindtricks
Hey I'm curious when you speak of test what do you mean, and passing the test like can you give specific examples? Like when you speak of spine and the test.

No Hate, I am curious, sorry.

[cross98]

the fathers in my family and friends life were pieces of shits; lying, cheating, gambling, stealing, having outside kids and not telling anybody and they obviously didn't care about the image they were setting for their kids.

in my experience, life for the women in my family never goes right when they get married... its always ends in divorce, she ends up having to work twice as hard, be the mom and the dad and doesn't get credit for any of it. this is why i don't expect much when i look at guys; don't expect much and you'll end up fine.

i agree that women and men must respect each other.

"It's also for some reason fine if he spoils his daughter and outright prefers her company but he's a devil if he feels more connected with his son and spoils him and gives him a lot of attention as his pride and joy." not true, the dads are respected either way but there's a line dads usually cross when they are unreasonably protective and sexist towards the daughter and lets the son roam and do anything.

" Doesn't matter if he's a doctor and she's a housewife, she is the smart one and most rational when it comes to family stuff. If he gets a little pudgy around the midsection she can tease him about it and the kids follow suit but run for your life if he calls her a little pudgy around the midsection." - not true in my experience. the women and men joke around with each other. before things got bad with my mom and dad they used to call each other fat, lazy, or my dad used to tell my mom that her stomach was touching the steering wheel. the line crosses when the man isn't joking and starts acting like she's getting too pudgy. what jobs you do doesn't make you more or less rational. some men feel like prostitutes are more rational than corporate white collar women. that stereotype also isn't true, in most cases people respect both.

"why the double standard?" its not. ever seen those videos where they make the male look like an angel and the woman a raging bitch? so many girls in the comment section make it their jobs to confess that all women are not like that and go on a "wow she's such a bitch" diatribe. if it were the opposite, the men would tell the women to "not fall for the medias try at anti-male agenda" and don't find the video or experience as a reason to be "bitter against other men". the men don't have shame and expect to be treated as individuals; nothing is wrong with that. however, women still have to make it known they are not your bitchy ex.

[pavlove]

You're South American right?

[cross98]

yup, i live in the southern part.

[pavlove]

see thats why i said American culture

[cross98]

when i mean American i mean in georgia of the us. @pavlove

[lord_chilled]

Op, im sad to see that this might be how things are in america (surely not everywhere, but places influenced by this sort of thinking).
But there is no denial that, while women have a part in ot, it is mens own fault for allowing this to happen.
You are the only one who can make a woman respect you. If you dont respect yourself, how can others respect you.
It doesn't matter what society you live in, women respond to masculine men.
When a female tries to put you down, put her in her place as calm and smooth as possible. If for some reason you can't, use rougher words.
If all else fails, you can either use the "shut up , woman " or the silence, where you just ignore what she said , as if it doesn't matter. That shit always works.
You need to set boundaries and command respect from the beginning tough.
You can't be a pansy most of the relationship and then stand up for yourself once its too late. In that case she will just leave you.
But if you do that from the beginning, most women won't leave. And if she does, thats because she has only known ass kissers , and has never met a man like you before.
However, even then as she is pissed at you and won't talk to you, you can be sure that its you, and not the rest of her orbiters that she will be fantasizing about, at night.

I used to be kind of an idiot asskisser with females as a teen. It only took one ex girlfriend to change that. I would always be a needy, apologetic, ass kisser.
She used to tell me not to say sorry, not to ever beg/bargain for her attention / affection, and she actually told me that when she got out of line, instead of me being patient with her, what she really wanted me to do, was to bitch slap her.
I should have known she was crazy by then , but i still stayed for some more, lol.
But the good thing is, she unintentionally taught me a lot about female behaviour and sexuality.
Even straight out pointed out to me a few things. I lived in denial after her for some time , thinkibg she was crazy, and it was true, but i think most females have this ingrained in their psyche. They just can't stand weak and passive men. They will try to love him. They will try hard. But they just can't, not forever. Unless you are okay with being disrespected and looked doen upon by your woman and your family, you need to stand up for yourself.
(i was telling it in general, not to you personally, mytake owner)

[pavlove]

i appreciate the personal story it's very insightful. yeah, it's hard to accept women have this side to them. for myself, i am very willing to walk away from any woman who gets off on being checked. i find it very unattractive to intentionally want that. at the same time, i recognize the strong need for dominance (not oppression) as part of what makes men happy with themselves and women happy with them. sometimes she does want that feeling of being overpowered not only physically but mentally and emotionally (again not in an oppresive way just in a strong primal way) like everything the balance is learned through common sense which is gained by spending time interacting with women in romantic contexts

[lord_chilled]

Sometimes you habe to check prople, but i too eould walk away from a woman who wants it intentionally.
And i agree with what you said

[spoonman2014]

If I was the president of the united states i'd give you every award possible for doing this lol. But it is true, almost every girl I know has dated assholes or "assholes". The first ones are in jail and are terrible people the other ones are good looking alphas who can fix their own cars and shit and they hate them for it. Because those guys are better than her, I even met these girls fathers, they are either not around or they are total oafs. Shit the one guy works 16 hours a day so his wife can be a house wife. Day job Insurance company, night job wal mart distribution.

And girls are taught that men who are smart, can fix things, in shape etc etc are assholes. Shit, I dated a girl a girl a while ago who quit stripping for about 6 months prior to us dating (bad idea). She started having money issues and wanted to go back, well on top of all the nice things I was already doing for her I tried to get her a decent job but her old stripper friends convinced her that I was this terrible guy who was controlling her and trying to change her, she dumped me and went back to it.

They tried to make me look like an asshole and after me she dated a mooch who was on the run from the law and a guy who had done so much drugs he was legally retarded (banned from driving and all). And they didn't even care about the pain she went through with those guys. And everyone knew about her problems with those guys but I was still the bad guy. I think society will leave manly men alone and turn to them when things get bad, these guys will be our first responders, military (USAF 2009-2014), trade workers, scientist, doctors, lawyer etc etc. Like in my life since I got out the military i'm almost the village elder, girls call me and ask me to do things their Bf's can't while he has no problems with me doing it. And i'd rather die be that guy, well end rant lol.

[pavlove]

Thats so fucked dude yeah it's a self esteem thing relating to their dads I just steer clear of girls like that some do like a man who's mature and on track

[spoonman2014]

That is true, but the key word is SOME. I'll never forget the time home girl called me crying about how she can't find anyone decent after she kicked out the guys I mentioned above. I think this happened because women wanting equal rights and the pendulum swung too far. I had female NCO's (non commissioned officers, supervisors) in the air force and they will tell you I was their favorite troop and never gave them issues, every time a girl told me "no" I listened and never made her feel bad for it, unless I felt justified (Like a 2 month dry spell). But today girls see manly men as grandfatherly (think everything good and bad about the 50's) and I think the pendulum will swing the opposite direction once they have a hard time finding people to work trade jobs, manual labor and serve in uniform. Shit they already stopped cursing kids out and yelling in military bootcamp. And now you need a waiver to make them do more than 10 push ups

[vishna]

As someone whose father walked out on two small children over 15 years ago, I can't say I've seen dads be the put down ones in my immediate family. That being said, I haven't seen many family relationships that do put the dad down... a neighbor/friend who's father cheated, another where it was suggested he cheated, a step dad who seemed really cool and funny, a bum step dad, one who put the mom down, one who lied and put the mom down, an abusive father, one in jail, a good step dad, etc etc it goes on a bit...
As someone else said, human decency is needed from both sexes, both parents. In my life, I've personally seen more bad father figures than good, but I'm one person. I don't have empirical data saying "Most dads are bad" and I wouldn't even try to suggest that. The guy in my life will make an amazing father b/c he's an amazing person, his treatment is based off my decency (b/c some people don't appreciate him and treat him bad) So, I think it ties back to basic human decency, which everyone needs to have and give.

[rjroy3]

Man this issue has been around for far longer than that. I remember my dad talking about this when I was 12 years old, when there was commercials on a regular basis showing the "stupid dad" stereotype. He then went on to say how he first noticed that in his 20s. When my older sister was real real young she watched some TV shows that had that father stereotype in it and she began to act like that towards my dad, because of what she saw on TV. Thankfully my dad was a good parent and squashed that real quick lol.

But yea, culture both forms and is an indicator of society. Many people whether they realize it or not download a lot of what they ingest from media in all forms. Whether it be music, news, movies, shows. Whatever it is you're essentially hypnotizing yourself with beliefs and innate understandings and you carry that with you unless you filter it yourself. In my household growing up we would watch movies and at the end of it would talk about what was realistic and what were myths in the movie. It was more for fun, but it was also us filtering what the movie/TV writers were telling us what we "should" believe and their idea of right and wrong.

That's why the media we accept as okay for kids shows is far more important than we tend to treat it. Tune in to shows now on disney or any common network kids watch. You are bound to see the common theme of the kids being super intelligent and the parents are made out to be idiots so that the kids can show them something in the end of the story. No surprise that kids grow up thinking they no better, because they've been watching shows that told them over and over and over "you know better than your parents and they just don't understand".

[rjroy3]

they know better*

[Anonymous]

This is a great take. All true, every word. It's a sad reflection on western society and what feminism and the media have done to it over the last several decades.

Fathers deserve more respect and recognition than they get today. We as a society have gone overboard trying to boost up the self esteem and confidence of women and girls but unfortunately we have dragged men and boys down by just as much. That of course was the goal of feminism but it's sad how it has just become the norm in our collective consciousness and most people don't even bat an eye at it or even recognize it has happened.

To all the young guys out there, I will pass on some advice given to me by my father and several of his friends, all of whom I admire and respect a lot. Marry a woman who comes from an intact family in which the mother treats the father with respect, and the daughter has a good and respectful relationship with her father. Do not under any circumstances date or marry a woman whose father isn't treated respectfully by his wife and family. Do not marry or even date a woman raised by a single mother. Just don't. The odds are very high that you will regret it. Do not marry or date an ambitious woman who puts her career ahead of everything else.

These are generalizations and I'm sure I will get some grief for them, but they are facts of life for western men today. Marriage is a mine field for men these days and if we are going to take the risk we just can't be too careful. There are some good women out there but there are a lot of bad ones who may not appear so on the surface. We have to use wise judgement and tap into then wisdom of men who have gone before us and learned the lessons from experience. There are some experiences we don't want to have ourselves, and finding ourselves married to the average western woman today is one of them.

[Carefuloutthere]

So you think a woman who was abandoned by her own father doesn't deserve to be loved or cared for by anyone else? She's worthless to one man so she clearly no good for anyone else?
I come from a single parent family, my mother has never spoken badly about my father. She doesn't really talk about him at all. She's never treated any man with disrespect and it's ingrained in us, to treat every person we come across respectfully. My sister is in a happy marriage. She wouldn't dream of treating her husband badly.
My son's dad went to prison when my son was 7 months old. He's out now and he's just recently started his supervised visitation. I worry about it, and I haven't quite forgiven him for not thinking about us when he did what he did, but that doesn't mean I'm ever going to undermine their relationship. I want it to work, I want my son to have a good male role model. I want him to have a few. Whether he's his main one remains to be seen, but it's not my place to ever disrespect him

[Carefuloutthere]

when it comes to my child.

I still don't really understand why you think woman who didn't have their father around aren't worthy of affection. You don't think they don't, or haven't already feel/felt that way about themselves already at some point.

Is it just women or people from single parent families in general? It's their fault someone walked out on them?

[pavlove]

@Carefuloutthere you kind of proved his point you had a kid with a scumbag I'm sure you had your pick of good men who'd make excellent fathers but it's not your fault you had no example poor thing

[pavlove]

@Carefuloutthere also you're too young to be a good mother period

[Opinion Owner]

@Carefuloutthere I never said you don't deserve love, affection and respect, but my advice to good men looking for good women is sound. Statistically speaking, women who come from broken homes, who were abandoned by their father or were raised by a single mother are far more likely to end up fucking a man over or treating him like crap. That is just a fact of life.

I'm not saying many men aren't absolute assholes who do terrible things too. I'm sorry you have dealt with the things you have experienced and of course you deserve and are worthy of affection. But all of that is beside the point of this MyTake and my response. Good men deserve good women and they deserve to be treated with respect as men and fathers. They significantly improve their chances of achieving that ideal when they avoid the women I mentioned. As I said earlier, that's a big generalization, but it's a fair one.

[AynonOMouse]

Good point.
I personally have seen two of my aunts and 1 grandmother treat their mates like crap, constantly expecting a lot from them while doing next to nothing in return, and constantly insulting them in front of other people.
For a long time I have felt that my two aunts and grandmother are all POS.
TV constantly portrays men (mostly White men) as dumb, when in reality if they look throughout all of history, they are actually the MOST capable and have invented/discovered and accomplished FAR more than women ever will. I'm not trying to attack women, but that is the reality. It is mostly the feminists that hate men because we can (and have repeatedly) done so much more they they can ever do.

One of the reasons I'm not too interested in finding a mate is because I won't put up with the BS where they want the man to work more than them and not get to spend time with my future kids. Or her bitching that the man doesn't do enough around the house when she is mostly sitting on her behind all day.
It is VERY easy and quick to take care of stuff at home. If it was the other way around, I could easily have 5 or 6 hours of free time each day to peruse hobbies etc after getting everything done if the woman wanted to be the support. They have nothing to complain about when the man supports the family. Then the woman should do everything at home, and yard work, and service the car, etc. It still won't amount to the 40 hours per week of a sole supporter.

[Anonymous]

I saw my parents lived up to this marriage stereotype (despite being both raised very conservatively$. My dad is no pushover but my mom was extremely beautiful and she definitely used that to her advantage. She was extremely controlling and everything had to be her way or no aI. Now that she's older (almost 60), the looks are fading and the kids are all moved out of the house she has gotten WORSE She treats my dad like shit often (but not all the time). Growing up I thought this was normal.

I have a grudge against her for raising me to believe it's okay to take shit from women. The only reason the relationship worked out is because she is EXTREMELY controlling and my dad lets her almost always get her way.

Funny thing is I struggled with dating through my teens to early 20s because I treated women the same way my dad treated my mom. I didn't realize that women actually LIKE being told NO from time to time until I was in my mid 20s.

Anyway women wonder why men scoff at "women's rights" protests and this why. Feminism has manipulated the media, politics and public education into brainwashing women that men are either incompetent buffons or "creeps".

Fortunately some women are waking up to this bullshit. Most women don't want some buffon pushover for a husband

[Nyx_85]

Hmmm this chick (friend of a friend's sister) called her boyfriend a name when we were all out once. You bet she got nasty glances from the table. I didn't know her so I wasn't going to get on her case and start a fight (but I made a sarcastic comment that totally went over her head. Even though other people there got it and laughed) when we were all just trying to have a good time (also one thing I do know about this girl is that she has a temper. Didn't feel like getting into it with her). But when my friend (who I do know) was talking down to her boyfriend I told flat out her to stop it. I know plenty of women that will tell another women off if they are being rude. At least in my social circles.

[Nyx_85]

Also if I ever made fun of my dad growing up it wouldn't have gone over well.

But now I just make fun of everything. Including myself.

[Nyx_85]

*everyone

[pavlove]

I do feel that's an uncommon stance to take

[Nyx_85]

I'm a freak.

[Pyrofox]

I agree with this 100% it even makes me laugh at all the propaganda about fathers and why they are important to a child's development yet. Society continually makes it so hard on guys who want to be there but cannot. At least in American society being a father is like a quadruple standard as its almost as bad as a marriage trap. As there is little benefits other than being a role model for a father.

I dont blame society as I know its both society and the ideology of the roles of the sexes as well. Its rarely the mom who has to pay child support. But rather its the father who may or may not be in the picture who get stabbed with the fees. I wish that rather than alienating the male/father role society would actually give them a reason to stay. Rather than making it seem that leaving and throwing money at the mom is just as good as actually being there.

[pavlove]

wait so are you saying you don't think dads have a need to be there for their kids especially their sons?

[Pyrofox]

I just think society needs to change the way how we look at fathers and not alienate them and destroy the role of what it means to be a parental figure.

[DarthLadyKiller]

You are so right. I read an article on this a while ago, you have hit the nail on the head. And it is up to us guys to make sure we don't fit the "mould" and that we be our own people and good fathers. That is really the only way to smash back at this. It is making boys think that their role does not matter, that being a father is an undesirable job. The media can say what it wants but it can put thoughts and ideas into people's heads that are not true. Don't believe everything you see in the media. Another thought: If the media is trying to pump us with THIS message, what other false messages do they convey? In politics, the ones who own the media can make their party look wonderful whilst the others absolute rubbishy jokes.

[Anonymous]

You do realize that in denouncing one particular stereotype, your actively perpetuating another, right? Namely, the notion that all wives are contolling browbeaters who emotionally manipulate/take advantage of their weak and stupid husbands. Do you not consider this to be equally damging to society's views on men and women as well? Or do you honestly think that it's only men who suffer the consequences of harmful stereotypes?

[Mzhyde19]

I was going to comment, but I couldn't possibly have said it better. Take notes👆🏼

[pavlove]

@Mzhyde19 lol just shut up

[Kinggot]

@Mzhyde19
Lol your a joke !

[rjroy3]

This is an indicator of the problem he was talking about.
He can't just write an article of a real problem for males in our society, without someone saying "what about women?".

Can't you just accept that men have their own issues that are valid and should be of some concern? Hell, I'm not even sure you read his whole article because in the last paragraph he gave some grounds to what women deal with and should expect as well. Quote: "Here's the thing, it's not a bad thing for women to be able to tease their husbands and in fact a wife who's too submissive is a bad example for her daughter who has a right to have opinions and make jokes around the guys she will date and marry. But only to the extent that she is willing to take it given right back to her".

Let it breathe a little.

[Opinion Owner]

@rjroy3 Again, he’s suggesting that society wrongfully stereotypes men based on an assumption that certain female stereotypes are totally justified. In other words, men shouldn’t be subject to sexist generalizations whereas women deserve it since everyone knows female generalizations are based on fact, not prejudice. Please tell me what the fuck this kind of attitude accomplishes other then to pit one gender against the other?

Also yes, men have to deal with their own particualr set of issues; I never disputed that. However, I've seen this poster on here before and he has a pretty obvious pattern of exclusively bashing the opposite sex. So if you really think you're going to convince me that this guy cares half as much about actually improving the lives of men as much as publicly complaining about how shitty women are, think again.

[AutumnPotato]

You said it perfectly! He could have said what he did without perpetuating stereotypes about women, and ackgnowleging that most of what he said isn't true everywhere in the US, especially today when so many people are turning against feminism.

[UseYourIllusion]

Destruction of the traditional role and authority of father is destroyed faster in countries like Singapore, China, Korea, and Japan. Some of fathers may suffer from the change, but I don't think it is only a bad thing. After the change, both fathers and other family members may not be oppressed by traditional regulations. What makes us painful is a transitional phenomenon I think.

[spoonman2014]

I think this started because women wanted equal rights but they went to far, like America VS japan in WW2 too far. The country still has issues from being bombed twice to this day

[Jager66]

The thing is Men have already lost any advantage they had due to gender roles, now it's time for women to start losing stuff and they aren't going to like it. Just bring up the topic and watch women get offended at the mere notion that they lose something in the name of equality.

Things have always been "equal" for men and women, just in different ways, more like a functional equity that saw women provided, protected for, and valued at the cost of some personal freedom. While men had more personal freedom but were expected to be disposable, provide for, protect women and to have any value as a human being they had to earn it.

The new "equality" will see women be valued less, have to protect and provide for them selves and will see men valued more with much more effort put into giving men stuff in the way women have always been given stuff.

[I-am-a-nobody]

@spoonman2014
If they had surrendered after seeing the effects of the first bomb, the second bomb wouldn't have been used.

[jacquesvol]

Once upon a time, the American father -without any degree- earned enough to keep mom at home, pay a suburb house with a garden and two big cars.
Those times are over. And that's NOT because of women or because of feminism or because of 'leftists'. (male) Boards of directors decided to export jobs.

[luvstoned4him]

true

[Phoenix98]

Well I have to say I don't disagree with what your saying.

But it's certainly not going to stop me from trying to become an old fashioned one.

The world needs more fathers like what we had in the 40s, 50s and even 60s.

Good hard working men who didn't take shit from anyone and who did their duty and raised good disciplined kids. If society was dominated by those kinds of men again the nation would be better for it.

[TheFlak38]

Well written.
This is what happens when fatherhood is trivialised while single motherhood is being put on a pedestal. At the same time you have mainstream media and entertainment constantly giving women wet dreams about being tough and kicking ass. No. Women are shitty men and men are shitty women no matter how much people sour "SEXISM!"

[pavlove]

people blame media a lot... i don't know if its the chicken or the egg but it definitely doesn't help having all this you go girl kick some ass wanting a guy in your life is weakness floating around. it doesn't seem to affect girls as much who actually are considered very attractive by men more its a way to empower average looking females to emulate the lives of attractive women but it comes out all wrong. if an average female just acted like a girl instead of a want to be man, so many guys would line up to provide protect and make her feel special.

[Browneye57]

Right on. This is Red Pill at it's basic level. The 'disney-dream' is dead. But men are not taking it lying down, they are rising up, declaring their significance and value, and making themselves the best MAN they can be. The tides will turn, but not until the women realize they've painted themselves into a sorry corner. You go gurrrrrrllllll.

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[TuMeManques]

Oh my gosh I totally agree. I'm so sick of seeing men potrayed as bumbling idiots on tv. It infuriates me tbh.

[Iraqveteran666]

It's the result of cultural Marxism. The left, the media and Hollywood have been working hard to destroy the traditional nuclear American family by undermining fathers and presenting them always in a negative light.

[pavlove]

the American media and press have always leaned liberal and yet we've had strong figures of masculinity presented to us by hollywood and others in the past. i do think feminists (not even real feminists that work for equal pay but feminists that basically try to control everyone else through calling them misogynists for not following a strict women first guideline) changed a lot. it softened a lot of men and confused even more.

[Iraqveteran666]

VeryTrue but if you look at the masculine heroes they are always massively and morally flawed