Mistakes That Guys Make On Internet Dating

[newbie2015]

I am a PRO!!! I've been internet dating since the beginning, when Meg Ryan messaged Tom Hanks and it pinged "You've got Mail!"

Some of you probably don't remember this movie, but it was pretty cutting edge... in 1998. Back then some people actually still "dialed up" to access the world wide web. I was single at the time, prior to a failed marriage. Needless to say, I tried Match.com and back then it was free! Fast forward 20 years and here and there I have dabbled with online dating. I've been on POF where I met John, a man I dated for a year. I've met people off Facebook, like Jason and Richard and Bill, all of whom I only stayed with 3 months each, and I knew previously from high school. I'm currently on Bumble. But alas, I've had 20 solid years of internet dating experiences (excluding the 8 during which I was married). When I went back online post marriage A male friend of mine rehauled my profile. I needed a better photo. I needed to be more direct to better filter potential dates. I THOUGHT my profile was great but a guy I trusted and was not romantically interested in me, my best friend, was telling me it wasn't good. So in his honor, I am taking the time to let guys know what comes off as cringeworthy.

The shirtless Venus Urbino photo

For those of you guys not into art history, there is a famous painting by Titian, Venus of Urbino. She lounges in a chair and coquettishly stares at the viewer.

This was considered very risqué and seductive for the time. Some men must have remembered this from school because I have seen many a shirtless pic of a man in his bed on online dating profiles

WHY??? Is it normal for people to take half-naked selfies in bed... just for themselves? Maybe you think this makes women think of you in bed and therefore you think it makes them think of sleeping with you. Let me assure you it does not! It makes us wonder why you are alone taking selfies of yourself ALL THE TIME! Like is nowhere sacred from the camera's lens? Is this all you do in your spare time? Take selfies??? If you feel like your chest is your best feature and you need to showcase it, set up a "candid shot" at the volleyball tournament or show a pic of you paddle boarding on the bay or a trip to a random water park. You are a guy! glamour shots in repose simply don't translate!!!

Never been Married, No kids

I love how men write this well into their 50's as a badge of pride. I'm not totally against this phrase if one is 30 or younger. I'll even give leeway to those in their 30's who live in areas like New York City, where on average people are single until they are older. But if you are 40 and above this is a HUGE turn off for most psychologically healthy women. WHY didn't anyone want to marry you?? Do you have commitment issues? Are you impossible to please? Can you not keep a woman happy long enough for her to even consider having children with you? Maybe you are infertile??? If your answer is yes to any of the above, it doesn't make you a particularly good candidate to date, no offense. I mean, sure, noex-dramaa, but healthy people who have exes have healthy relationships with them. People who were never wanted by anyone ever or never wanted anyone themselves typically have greater psychosocial issues. Don't advertise this if you want to meet someone decent.

The 2nd amendment Photo

Internet dating has often gotten a bad rap, because often you are meeting strangers. I am safe and only meet in a public place for instance. I tell people where I am going. I guard my drink! I am responsible but I still want to meet people. I just take safe guards. So should you! So this photo makes no sense to me.

I get that you like to hunt! I eat meat. It's all cool. But seriously!!! Why are you posting photos of you, a stranger, with an arsenal of weapons?!? It's a hobby, but until we KNOW you, don't think it hasn't crossed our minds that not only do guns kill animals, they can be used against humans as well. This photo could scare away a potential victim, errr, I mean date, who would be very supportive of her mate hunting on the weekend for sport. But let's save the photos of your big gun for the NRA application! List it as a hobby, sure, but don't show us the weapon you plan on using us after the first date to kill us. It makes us nervous.

This site is GREAT!

So you finally start messaging. Great! And you tell her how much you LOVE this site. Which begs the question, why are you messaging her now? I'm all about positivity. Turn that frown upside down. But if you are thrilled being on line you probably aren't likely to get off of it, even when you meet a great gal and date her for a while. I'm not asking you to wear your heart on your sleeve for everyone to see, but tell a girl you want to meet someone and haven't yet. show a little vulnerability in your response. Let her know you are on line for the same reasons she is, whatever they are.

Knight Rider Photo

I'm glad you like your car. I like mine too! But I'm a soccer mom so my SUV probably isn't as cool as your Ferrari.

Yes, I enjoy being picked up in a cool car. But no, if you are a goon no matter if your car can send me back to 1955 and has a flux capacitor, I will not be interested in you if you show me a picture of it. In fact, showing me your cool car is a turn off. I am proud of my collection of ceramic dogs! some are worth thousands!!! But my online dating profile is not the place to show them to you. You can see them when I invite you into my home. I can see your car when you pull up to the restaurant. Let's save these reveals for the appropriate time and place. Otherwise I will think you are more interested in flash and speed then you are in human connection. A photo of your V8 will not entice me.

Honorable mentions;

A man who takes photo's of photos. If you can figure out how to digitize your photos bite the big one and go to the Genius Bar. It's not rocket science. Misogynistic photos. While your guy friends will love the pic of you flanked by cheerleaders, most women don't want to be reminded that professional cheerleaders are hotter then they are and this is your ideal. It doesn't make you look desirable, It makes you look shallow and insensitive. Photo's with no friends. If you have no friends this says volumes. If no one wants to be in a photo with you ever this says volumes. None of these volumes are good...

Have any thoughts on what makes a profile a dud? Share!

[OlderAndWiser]

What makes a woman's profile a dud:

1. "If you are ___, we are not a match. If you are ___, I don't want to meet you. I don't date anyone who was stupid enough to vote for ___," etc.

2. This picture is great of you are looking for a hookup:

but not if you are looking for a relationship. Is that the best message you can send a guy?

3. Your main profile picture is you and you kids. Yes, we know you are a package deal but the purpose of the picture is to show us YOU.

4. Your main profile picture is you with a guy's arm around you and you have cropped off the rest of his body.

5. You standing in front of the Eiffel tower. (I have seen at least a hundred of these pictures.) We get the message: you love travelling and that is what you will expect of we get into a relationship with you. So is that why you are looking for a guy? Want someone else to buy your ticket?

6. "I'm not sure what to write about myself!" Well, if you're not sure, then why did you write anything at all? With all of the videos you can find about creating a profile, you should know what to say. . . unless you don't think this is very important.

7. Restroom selfies! WTF?

8. "I like walks on the beach." Everybody in the universe says that. If they all did it even once a month, there would be endless parades on the beach, access would be rationed, and the beach would be closed once every week for repairs.

9. All the profile pictures are taken from a distance and there are no full face photos.

10. A woman says she has "a few extra pounds," and she has no full body photos. I think I know what she is hiding!

[newbie2015]

I agree w this one for sure!

[smølf]

Well said mate, well said.

[Kkaos]

To be fair I think it makes sense for the single moms to put them and their kids in their first profile picture. You can still see it's her, you're not going to think she's one of the kids looking for love in the photo. It shows that her kids are important to her and more importantly for the many guys, especially younger ones such as myself, we're not interested in women with kids and therefore it saves us the time of having to go right onto their profile to find that out.

[Lovetolearn47]

Thank you for adding your pointers on this. I saw one mistake I've been making in your first sentence, lol. I think we do that to stop who we believe are the wrong guys from messaging us, bc many of us know what we want and what we don't. That's why I do it, anyways. But maybe a better strategy is to say the things that we would really LIKE in a partner instead, eh? Positivity is usually a better policy anyway. :)

[Apope16]

This post is so good it should be a my take in and of itself!

[Lovetolearn47]

@Apope16
Agreed!!

[OlderAndWiser]

@Lovetolearn47 @Apope16

I posted this a few months ago:

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a48666-twenty-one-tips-for-successful-online-dating

[Blake0048]

NUMBER ONE!!! Fuck I hate that... reality check you are not the center of the universe bitch nor is anyone reading that long list of bullshit... thats kinda the point of a dating site so people can interact and decide if they want to continue interacting... its so goddam narcissistic and self absorbed.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Blake0048 That negativity is a real relationship killer and it is an art to recognize and respond to it quickly!

[Anonymous]

They also take it too seriously, their expectations are too high. ... some girls never reply because their account is inactive or a fake

[Apope16]

THis is not a bad mytake. But there are some things that seem judgmental.

Women seem to have double standards. They can have all of the bed selfies and fake propped up pics they want online... but if a guy does the same thing it is outrageous? You get weirded out by a guy who takes a bedroom selfy but would rather him go to the extreme to set up sporty shots with his shirt off like it is a modeling shoot? Double Standards.

The whole part of never being married or having kids bothered me as well. The only reason why it would be a turn off is if you are someone who has stereotypical standards that society places on the roles of males and females in society. I myself have been guilty of judging this part of a profile as well. I get weirded out by people who dont want kids. I get weireded out even more by people who are at least 35 and still single. To me it means that they are bad in relationships and risky. But that's me being judgmental.

[newbie2015]

I don't think its a double standard. I think women who post them are going to find a bad caliber of dates too.

I don't post pics of my body on my profile and I'm fit. If you feel you have to I'm just suggesting save photos you might send sexting for after you meet someone.

[Apope16]

I see. So your position is save those pics for sexting? I take it you are cool with sexting then?

[coachTanthony]

I loved the movie YOU GOT MAIL... cute dog!

[Anon-ymous1]

Right? That dog is adorable.

[Lovetolearn47]

How about "I like long rides to nowhere." I read that and think "how BORING can you get?" But so many men write that. I want short rides to and amusement park or concert! Haha!

You nailed it with pics of their car, being half-naked in bed, and showing pics of being a hunter or fisherman. Many women greatly dislike seeing dead animals, even though we eat them once they are prepared. It's just different seeing them freshly killed...

How about once you start texting with them on your cell they start sending you UNSOLICITED pics of themselves, with no explanation, AND they are often suggestive. I always tend to think, "how conceited are you?" If they want a pic of us, just ask. But not for a revealing one. We want you to want US, not to be pretty sure that all you want our pic for is to beat off to. Once in a relationship, well then that's flattering ;-)

When they don't fill in the answers to their profile and instead write "just ask." We've put all that effort into ours, which is an indication of the effort we'd put into a relationship, and would like to know that you would put the same effort in. If nothing else, so as not to waste our time asking you all those questions that we could have just read about and gotten a good picture of our compatibility from.

More than one pic of your dog. Not a good strategy.

Photos of them only in sunglasses. I've seen some men look attractive IN them, but not out.

Multiple muscle shots at the gym. There's a classy way to show off that body you've worked so hard for. One pic is enough and it doesn't have to be in a wide-eyed shirt. A shot at the beach or pool with a big smile gets you many more points in my book.

[freakyzeaky]

The second one kind of stings. I am 34 on my way to 40, heheh, and I have never been married or had any kids, although I want to. I am shy (working on that), a late bloomer of sorts, had body issues (obese), etc. I have been in a long-term relationship and a few short-term, but nothing cohabitating. You could say that makes me a risk, but I have seen and heard of women who have dated and married a lifelong bachelor who was well in their 30s.

For others, it might have been that things didn't work out. Is that necessarily the guys fault only? That doesn't mean he is afraid of commitment, is abusive, or any other type of dealbreaker.

I think that is the main problem with dating, especially online dating, these days. Too many misconceptions and false assumptions. Why not just date and find out how a person is rather than doing all this judging?

I know not all women are so quick to brush a guy off because of certain things in his past like not ever being married or having kids, just as not all men will brush off a woman who has had 2 kids by different fathers and/or slept with over 30 guys. It really depends on the person, how compatible you are, if there is a connection, and so on.

[Lovetolearn47]

Please don't worry. My cousin married a man who never married or had kids and he's an awesome guy. I don't think all women feel this way. I try to keep an open mind. Best of luck to you. :)

[freakyzeaky]

@Lovetolearn47 Thanks for the encouraging words! I think it is tough out there for everyone, especially since many people date, get into multiple relationships, and still haven't found that compatible person to spend the rest of their life with. There are so many reasons that make someone "damaged goods" to another person, and that is a shame, especially since everyone has room to improve and grow. We talk of others about what they can do for us, almost as if they are commodities. That is not how I see human beings and I am sure there are plenty of women who feel the same way I do.

[Lovetolearn47]

There are. And it's super nice to hear that coming from a guy. Kudos to you.

[Anonymous]

It’s just a waste of time.
Spent years wasting my time.

-too many women just want attention and that’s it.
-too many women and not enough guys.
-photos are the most important part. (Not a selfie loser? Tough luck)
Shirtless pics get the most attention.
-got a kid? Away with you! She didn’t imagine that in her perfect fantasy and will make assumptions about you, like your looking for a replacement mom or have issues with baby moma.
-On and on.

Think of it this way. It’s entirely set up for women.
-It’s image dependant- girls get all the advantages (makeup, pushupbras)
-way more guys then girls.
-the guys have to make all the moves, all the effort.
-guys almost always end up paying on the date (still)
-all the superficial aspects of your life are used as the profile and ‘lures’. Job, (even salary is used by most sites to find matches), social statice.

Basically it’s created an artificial world where women have false high value and guys have low value.
So women feel great until they realize these are the same guys they interact with daily just a much wider range, but most are still idiots and that most women are chasing the same top 20% of guys who have no problem dating multiple women behind their backs and the vast majority of women will end up alone anyways or with a cheater.
Meanwhile most men are no longer ‘good enough’ and will remain alone.

Both end up in the same place but women have a little more fun getting there until her heart is broken badly.

It would seem completely changing the social dynamics of dating and relationships in our society so quickly, to the favor of one sex, had desasterous consequences for relationships. Far fewer people are in committed relationships and far fewer want to be now.

[Wolframium]

I remember that movie. It isn't that long ago (yet I don't remember correctly, when it was) since I saw it. I remembered it from childhood, so…I needed to see it again, with more developed brain. Aaaand…not for me.
I strongly believe, that there is only one mistake, what guy can do regarding online dating. Going for it. It's a waste of time, nothing more. There are billions (10^24) dudes and approx. 1/10 girl, judging on…well…everything actually.
There was a poll here, recently. Basically, rating of advices regarding dating, or something like that. Like if girl give advices to some guy how to set up profile. And most people rated advices from opposite sex as unhelpful.
Hey, I have no friends and no photos with someone. So, what? I am suddenly bad? God, speaking about shallowness. Maybe I am not extrovert, how about that? And maybe I just don’t want to be on photos. Basically, maybe I’m not like everyone else/your idea of norm.
I’ve done my fair share of mistake, being on dating sites. Not anymore. I have no desire to be like goods on shelve, and girls just picking…

[10dsw]

Now let's write six for female online daters:

(1) Duckfaces, Starbucks

Nothing screams "I'm basic!" more

(2) Married two times, under 30, two kids

Nothing screams "I'm looking for the next provider!" more

(3) Cheerleaders!

Exactly what every guy wants to see... a girl flanked by 10 orbiters at the local watering hole!

Otherwise good take. Also, I disagree with the photos with no friends part. I don't post my life on Facebook so naturally I take very few photos with people.

[10dsw]

I was gonna write 3 more but got lazy =P

[_Atreides]

allow me!

4) I would like them to have a good job (this is straight off a profile of a women near me with 3 kids)
5) pictures of your dog or cat - ok you like them but it says where order of preference is.
6) blurry photos or where the light is behind you, or wearing sunglasses indoors - nearly everyone has a smart phone and its only reasonable to see what you look like.

[10dsw]

@_Atreides Thanks haha. Ooh 4 is a big one!

[newbie2015]

At the same time i make 6 figures. I will NEVER support a man like I did my ex husband!! I wouldn't need a man with a certain salary and once in a relationship I'd be fine doing my part if he were ill or lost his job. But a man should be stable and have a CAREER to date me

[10dsw]

Then don't date men who don't have careers. Problem solved.

[Cosytoasty]

How Ironic, guy's are the complete opposite.

1. Half naked selfie if you're hot we'll swipe at least and then deal with the talking later.
2. Woman who is divorced twice with 2 kids is an instant turn-off for most guys
3. A girl who has a hobby like ours is an instant attraction point
4. We want to come across as upbeat and fun for the girl.
5. A girl who likes cars? Even more attraction.
6. Don't be the girl who takes group photos with hot friends, and only leaves her selfie last... because it's ALWAYS the less attractive one.

With all that said and done, even for relationships, the only rule that matters for guys on dating sites is being attractive. Which is basically the whole premise behind bumble (i believe women have to choose first?).

[Lovetolearn47]

Thank u for adding what u did about hobbies & what makes us more appealing. However, from most girl's point of view, ur last paragraph sounds really sad. NOT judging u, or other guys here, bc u have the right to feel the way u feel, but thought u may want to know how that opinion translates to the opposite sex. The answer: SHALLOW. That's probably not your intention, but fact is, that is how women will take it.
If all someone wants, male or female, is a hook-up, then yeah, I can see how physical attraction is all that matters. But there are people of all ages $ backgrounds on these sites & for different reasons. people in my age group are usually looking for a genuine relationship. That said, looks ARE important, but they are not ALL that's important.
When guys message me w/out even reading my profile, I can tell, bc they will tell me I'm hot, & when I check their profile, I see we have nothing in common. I won't even answer those guys, bc it's obvious all they cared about is my looks. Not keepers.

[Cosytoasty]

@Lovetolearn47 I think you've misunderstood my last paragraph, i'm saying how a guy looks is the only thing that matters initially, because if you don't like what you see, everything else in this Mytake is irrelevant.

[Lovetolearn47]

I did misunderstand. Thank you for correcting me kindly. My apologies. Pretty shallow then of the women who are like that! I've found that some guys I would not swipe right on if I'd only seen them online, are ones I end up feeling an attraction for once I get to know them. Take coworkers, for example. I work with a guy I would not normally find attractive, but he's so damn nice that I kinda like him now. It's harder on these sites bc u can't really get to know them under no-pressure situations like at work. It's always a "date." I think we all should keep a more open mind when it comes to looks. There could be a diamond in the ruff.

[Lovetolearn47]

I have a question about the half-naked selfie. If a hot girl posts one, then she will get a lot of attention. But from a man's perspective, doesn't that tell him she is easy? Or cause her to attract the type of guy that only wants a hookup? I ask bc I had a pic of me in my yoga clothes, from the backside, where it showed off my figure. In the caption I wrote "Pls no sexual comments. I'm posting this to show that I am what I say I am." (I know a lot women lie about their weight). Now, I am not super skinny, (so I honestly expected I'd be considered too big for many men) but I'm in good proportion and am very curvy. I got a lot of responses, but not from what I would consider "quality" men. One man even wrote me that he questioned my not wanting sexual comments yet I posted "that nice round ass?" So, I am very confused. How would you as a guy suggest we express some sexiness without sending the message that we're easy and will jump into sex chatting? thanks.

[Cosytoasty]

@Lovetolearn47 Hmm it’s better to get some attention I’m guessing, rather than no attention at all. And a pic where you’re showing off your body doesn’t have to be literally half naked, a fitted dress shows everything off without appearing easy... but wearing a baggy jumper and some old jeans doesn’t.

That being said, the quality of man you find on online dating sites is not going to be high in general, then filter out the ones who want a relationship... and you’re left with a literal handful. Honestly the best advice I can give a woman is to avoid dating sites altogether.

[Lovetolearn47]

Gotcha. I think I have a few outfits that might do that. Thx! I've actually met some decent men on them, just not ones that were the best match for me, and know of many good people who have gotten together from them, so I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater and say that all men on there are not good men. Just like not all of us women on them are immature, gold-diggers psycho-bitches, lol. thanks again for the selfie advice. :)

[zagor]

Stupid mytake.

Why the hell would I put my friends in my photos? Will you be dating them? Did it occur to you that maybe they don't want their pics on someone else's dating profile? I specifically exclude pics with other people.

Never been married, no kids, is bad? So you DON'T want to know if a man has other obligations, has to pay child support, has a crazy ex, etc? A lot of guys don't WANT to get married in their 20's or even 30's. Why get married when you can still get attractive tail with no obligations?

Based on your mytake, I can understand why you've been on dating sites for so long...

[newbie2015]

My article is about finding someone to DATE, not have sex with... Thats simple to find off line. Well for me anyway.

[zagor]

That is what I meant; at some point some guys want something more permanent, but because they weren't ready to settle down before you assume there must be something wrong with them.

[newbie2015]

If they are iheit 40s or 50s, the majority of time, yes.

[Mil00]

DONt forget the:
-“my kids come before you. They are better than you” kind of guys.
- (profile summary): “I like music, hunting, food, HMU”
-“just ask”
-The guys that swear up and down they are good and always get fucked over. Then right when they don’t get their way, KABOOM rage.
-The one’s that come off as very materialistic.
- ones that lack effort in their summary

People seem to like the beginning of my profile.

[Nyx_85]

How is being unmarried at 40 such a bad thing? Yeah some guys have commitment issues and what not but also it's not impossible that he just hasn't met the right person. Better than someone who got married too young or without really knowing the person and then becomes a divorcee.

Also why should be put photos of him and friends on a dating site? What if a girl finds one of his friends more attractive and asks about him? He's not trying to set up his friends. It's about him. Not them. Also I would personally not feel that comfortable if a girl friend put a photo of us in her dating profile.

[Nyx_85]

But I do agree with the shirtless on the bed, hunting (gross!) and "This site is great!" points. Especially "This site is great!". Like if things move forward you want them to get off it.

[JudgmentDay]

The only mistake is not knowing when to quit and just quit sites like those altogether. If they aren't getting any results after a certain amount of time, such as a few months to maybe a year then they're better off quitting them early than later as that might save them further frustrations and disappointments.

The only other mistake is that they bother to try and use those kind of apps and websites and take them seriously as if there are any guaranteed results or hoping for results from time and effort spent on them. It's just one of those things where "your mileage may vary". Some users may get good and consistent results, but not everybody does. If only they realized that from the beginning and only experimented with those sites and apps to only test the waters and nothing more beyond that.

[sawno]

Ladies feedback please, i never really enjoy taking pictures of myself so i have none. Rather then going out there for the sole purpure of taking cheesy pictures of me involving random stuff i plan to take a profile picture showcasing my hobbies (I am a geek) by having them in the picture. Its posed but it does convey who i am much better then me randomly somewhere outside attempting to make it look legitimate.
Would you fall for a picture that showcased a guy's interests rather then something taken in the wild? Or am i at a loss here until i have random pictures taken off me?

[demonics]

Mistakes That Guys Make On Internet Dating Through My Very Limited Worldview and Life Experience

Much better!

Oh look it's a chick shooting an AR-15, oh look it's a chick damned near spread eagle in her profile picture, oh look its a chick (usually black) #TeamNoKids

Men don't take dating advice from women (or our mothers) because 1. We know its a lie. You say you want X but your last 10 boyfriends have all been Y. 2. Have you ever dated a woman? No? Thought so. What you think/say you are attracted to and what you date are often complete opposites. Having done this experiment myself, your profile is pretty much irrelevant. And the girls on these sites are usually the left overs.

Men, not looking for hookups, don't bother. They'll waste your time. They're not there to meet people they're there to have their delicate sensibilities stroked.

[newbie2015]

Just because some women are nuts and do dumb things on their profile doesn't mean men who do the same come off as great catches to normal females. SMH

[es20490446e]

There's a dating site on my country called "Adopt a Guy" and there you can see what kind of guys get more attention, as they have a karma score based on views and interactions.

Basically they guys who are muscular AND show off their muscles, specially if shirtless, receive far more attention from women.

So stop bullshitting yourselves.

[newbie2015]

There's something called the law of 100 in dating. It means if you hit on 100 girls at least 1 will sleep with you. Number of interactions is irrelevant to my topic. Attention is irrelevant. My topic is about quality interaction and connection.

[es20490446e]

If there's back and forth messaging it's for a reason.

[yofuknutz]

Back and forth means there's something going on

[Crapulux]

> WHY didn't anyone want to marry you?

I found this hilarious, cupcake. Do you have any clue? All my ex-GFs wanted to marry me. The last one screamed it as she came, every fucking time. No kidding ;)

Men have zero incentive to marry.

[Kkaos]

Hahah, I don't doubt this one moment. It's such a ridiculous thing to say, as if men are the ones begging for long term commitment and financial burden all in the name of this thing called 'love'.

When I meet a girl, I'll usually just 'see her'... And I always know at some point she's going to start pushing for a relationship. And then later on she'll start pushing for ME to ASK her to marry me so then she can turn around and make it seem like I was the one who was desperate for it.

[newbie2015]

Um... i stated in my profile i was married. Doh! And have received several proposals since. But... ok

[Anonymous]

fair comment on the pics, but we do see similar on women profiles and my being into golf and cycling we don't take pictures when we're out doing those anyway and the friends one.

Having used dating sites before i include myself in this, but one thing you are missing is that everyone who uses one has failed in some way, whether its at finding the right person, getting life balances right, marriage or relationships etc.

Never married or no kids for me is better than finding someone who has been divorced twice or has 3 kids from 2 fathers.

[Anonymous]

Such a complete waste of time for most guys. You can do all the "right" things and still get nothing because women simply don't message guys hardly ever. Or, if they do, they are just as bad as guys for giving you nothing but "hey, how are you?"

[newbie2015]

I do like bumble. Its the one where women have to message first. Check it out. It should eliminate that issue for you

[Opinion Owner]

Oh... interesting. I'll check that out. :)

[Anonymous]

Mistakes women make on profiles -

Not being honest
Not saying they are fat when they are PHAT.
"I don't do drama" = "Drama queen"

And the very basic issue of women on those sites rate 80% of the men as undateable by looks alone. Lady's if you were that big of a catch, you wouldn't be on the site in the first place. If you're all chasing the same 20% of men, you know what will happen? They will have sex with you all. But that's it.

[Likes2drive]

I met my now ex wife in 1997 in an aol chat room, that lasted 17 years so I’ve been on some of those sites since and don’t make any of the mistakes you talk about but I’ve noticed women are still very selective in their later years and don’t bother to know me and go by my pictures only that are normal poses and are not like the ones you mentioned. Maybe it’s just the area I live in