Why most guys are not committing to women anymore

[Lynx122]

How it used to be

In the past women got married very young mostly virgins. They gave up their most attractive years to one guy in return for commitment, for being taken care of when they got older, for financial security etc.

From todays perspective it might seem weird for some people but it was actually a pretty balanced agreement. In the first few years the womans value might be higher than the guys but as she got older and he became more established in whatever business he was doing things would switch and his value would be higher than hers and it would balance out overall. Of course every case is different but the average marriage would work like this.

Things have changed a lot

Today women want all the benefits of their youth, beauty and fertility for themselves, they wanna party like there's no tomorrow and hook up with the guys that turn them on the most. And they still expect a quality guy to be ready to marry them as soon as they feel like it. They want to max out the benefits of their youth and beauty for themselves and then try and lock a guy down at the very last second before their SMV dips below his.

This might have worked for a minute, us guys don't always catch on to the games women play super quickly but over time guys were like wait a minute.... what am I getting out of this?

It's only bad news for the guy

Not only has she used up her most attractive years riding the cock carousel as it's called, she will be mentally damaged and won't be able to pair bond with the guy she's marrying because she's had so much sex that she doesn't know woman she's supposed to be anymore.

On top of that she will most likely resent the guy that's bailing her out. Women think the hottest guy they've been with is their own level even though that guy never wanted to be with her. When a girl who's a 5 manage to sleep with a dude who's a ten once she'll go through life with the ego thinking she deserves a ten. And when a guy who's a 5 or even a 6 or a 7 comes along and marries her she will hate him for reminding her constantly that she's not young and hot anymore and can't have any guy she wants. Instead of being grateful for him bailing her out she'll resent him for not seeing how worthless she is and feels inside and take it out on him.

Guys adjusted

In the past guys would be rewarded for committment and marriage even if they weren't the most attractive guy ever they would find a wife who would take care of them sexually and be a homemaker. Nowadays guys have realised there's 0 benefit in committing to a girl anymore not only will she look down on him for not seing through her game she will cheat on him with guys who put in 0 effort and get more out of it than him. So now guys just don't commit anymore at least until they're maybe 65 or 70 but still don't marry her then just date long term. Guys don't even want to date girls in their early 30s anymore because they know they have the baby rabies and the risk of an "accidental" pregnancy and demand of marriage is very high. 27 is the max a lot of guys will go for and it might get even lower as women adjust their strategies.

[Barbaric]

As horrible as it sounds to some people, this is the blunt truth. It only sounds so horrible because you've stripped away the comforting lies people like to tell themselves. When you don't sugarcoat things people will react negatively. So many of the things we're taught to believe about love and relationships are based on sugar-coated, feel-good nonsense which prevents us from understanding the truth.

Women especially will push certain ideas and will reinforce cultural myths if and when they benefit from them. Like you said, men aren't as quick as women to understand these things because women in general are more socially savvy than men are. However, if you can read between the lines you can actually see that the things they say when they do that only confirm the things you're saying here. They just re-frame it in a way that makes it sound sensible, logical, and "right".

How many women will for example talk about how young women prefer bad boys or they go through a fuckboy phase? You can find a ton of takes and questions where they mention this. And then once they get older, say between 28-32, they tell you that they're done with fuckboys and they finally realised how much they appreciate the nice guys they were previously uninterested in.

Here's them in their youth (I'm not a MGTOW by the way) :

https://www.youtube.com/embed/_FjZ6QePmMA

Many women here repeat the same kind of thing in a less blunt way. They'll also tell you that the ideal time to marry is late twenties-early thirties.

Here's them as they get closer to 30+:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Sy0mgvUILeA

She's being full of shit. What really happens here is that they get done with jerks when they couldn't get them to commit. In fact a lot of the time, the reason these women call those guys jerks is because they wouldn't commit. A jerk is a guy who doesn't do everything a woman/women as a whole wants.

But why did they want him to commit? Because they found him really attractive. Why didn't they go for the "nice guys" in the first place? Because those nice guys are less attractive.

When they give up on trying to get those other guys to commit, they drop their standards and settle with a guy who is less attractive, less exciting, but more stable. They don't increase their standards as they try to convince you they do, they drop their standards. All of the talk about how they learn to appreciate those guys is just the way they sell those guys on the idea. Telling them the truth, that they're pretty much second best, wouldn't be a very good idea would it?

I don't think that the reason they struggle to commit to such men is because sleeping around damages them and makes them unable to pair bond. I think it's more about desire. The reason many guys joke about how sex dies off once she gets her wedding ring is because that's what happens when a woman marries a guy she's just settling with out of convenience. She's not as into sex with that guy as she was with the hotter guys she dealt with in her youth while she ignored him so the bedroom dies a slow death. That's also perhaps why these marriages end up with cheating, divorce or both. If she were to marry the kind of guy she's really attracted to it could work, but the older she gets the less likely it becomes that she will in general.

Some people will see this as negative but really, it is what it is. All that matters is that you use this to your advantage, in particular when it comes to watching out for red flags and choosing a woman yourself. You obviously want a girl who puts you first, not a woman who is just settling for you.

[jestergent]

TO LYNX,

This is a really good article, I have already saved it PDF to harddrive. If any reason it were taken down, mark my words I will spread it to 20 websites. With note it was taken down. It's the damn truth. It's what happened.

[SuccessfulHornDog]

This might sound ugly but ignoring the truth won't help anyone. The actions promoted by feminism have certainly had an impact on society and it is leading to distress for many people of both genders who are not at the top of of the heap in terms of desirability. It is true that women's desirability starts out sky high and then fades quickly while males start out slower and then rises to the point where they surpass women their age. I feel bad for everyone except those top 10% who can have their cake and eat it too.

[AmandaYVR]

Lynx, what the hell? What happened? Are you in a particularly bad mood, or is this honestly how you typically feel?
Reading this, I would normally just keep on walking, not make any comment, because there are so many things I disagree with in the overall assessment, not to mention the tone. But you invited me to comment. I wonder what you think I would think. This is going to take some energy to unpack.

Well firstly, I vehemently disagree with the whole concept of market value. I have seen men on here use that term in regards to men and women and relationships, but I've got to say, I think that is just too clinical and harsh a way to view people, in my opinion. I never, ever rate people with a single number. We are all a complex (mathematical, if you want to call it) formula of pluses and minuses, strengths and weaknesses. Not to mention, we now live in a world of staunch individualism, where many people loathe being labelled, boxed in, etc. (Which I personally think has also gone too far in that direction. Suck it up. Everyone's gotta conform somewhat. We are somewhere between a grain of rice and a snowflake - snowflake in the OG sense of being unique, not the overly-sensitive derogatory term.)

I don't personally mind, but some would see your views on women as being somewhat archaic. You are a traditionalist, I guess, and nothing wrong with that. There are many (females, etc.) who still are aligned with that and would prefer commitment + being a wife, mother, homemaker.

Regarding commitment/cheating/infidelity - women are now on par with men. This is obviously not a move in the right direction. It's really too bad. Breaching trust is destructive. First to the individual, but later to society, because unfortunately so few people are able to compartmentalize and separate the actions of one, from applying it to 'all.' Absolute words are very, very dangerous when used haphazardly.
But if I'm being honest, I don't feel hugely sympathetic to the males of the world, complaining about this now, because although some people are honourable and innocent, women have in general been the ones to have to deal with, and often tolerate, infidelity. This was primarily because of opportunity and circumstance, as the men spent many hours free from the home while the woman was mostly confined there taking care of the kids, etc. But society also somewhat accepted this as a part of the culture. Do you think that was easy for women? I doubt it. Yet in some countries, like Nigeria, men are still legally permitted two wives. So if a guy has been cheated on, yes he has every right to be angry and to vocalize this. But if many men have not been cheated on, I really think they should shut their mouths and stop complaining about women in the abstract. Men are no better. Judge each person as an individual. You can point your finger at them, but it is only fair to spare the so-far innocent.

Just as I would say to women, be wary of entering into any relationships with preconceived ideas of how it will turn out. Unless a person has had a slew of negative, persistent experiences, and they have put in concerted effort to analyze their own actions and behaviour and factored those in as well, it's just too easy and too reckless to dump this level of negativity onto new people who enter your life. You can write mytakes here, and vent, and work through some of your ideas, but be very careful about carrying this over, and placing it on the shoulders of someone new, with whom you have a clean slate. Think benefit of the doubt, not biases and baggage. Otherwise it will be doomed to fail.

[Lynx122]

Hey Amanda thanks for your answer. I'm not in a bad mood. I purposely push my ideas to the extreme because middle of the pack ideas kind of bore me. The closer to the edge that you go the more careful you have to be with your communication. I just see it as exploring. I don't know if I'm a traditionalist, conservative whatever you want to call it I decide topic by topic where I stand on things. I have a lot of left leaning stances as well. But I feel like the left is almost overrepresented and I like to gow against the grain not with it. I'm sorry that I was too harsh in tone. I respect you a lot that's why I'm always interested to know your thoughts.

I am not the most in touch with my emotions I wasn't consciously being angry. People I respect speak their mind without hesitation or fear. No matter what side they're on I like to see something like that. I'm trying to go the same way. I always listen to counterarguments especially well written ones and consider adapting my own opinions based what the other person has said. But I do admit that I'm quite a stubborn person :D

Don't give up on me Amanda :)

[AmandaYVR]

Aww, that's sweet of you, Lynx. Yeah, I thought you were having a bad day, as it seemed out of character from what I know of you so far. But I can understand your explanation. It's much more common for guys to feel this way - wanting to push the envelope, sharpen their debate skills, and even though you didn't mention it, I think it stems from built up general frustration sometimes. The world feels sensitive and PC nowadays, doesn't it? Cultural shifts are often quite gradual, but sometimes I can think of many examples of how the world and time I grew up in was just less like that. And we didn't think anything of it. It wasn't acceptable to get your back up, get offended all the time. But, you know, all this fighting for equality, at its core it's a good thing. It's just everything's in the muck right now, maybe because it's a transitional period. I don't know. If I could transport back to the 80s or 90s for a couple or few months, I probably would. Perspective is a good thing. Change can be so slow, you don't even notice it as its happening sometimes.

Anyway, you and I are fine. You are very communicative, and you're a thinker. This is a great example of why I fight so hard for transparency, not anonymity. Context. If I read this, and this alone, as a male anon, I'd write that person off. There's no way I'd respond to them. But it's you. You are worth a discussion with, worth engaging with, even if just to see what's up, what's going on there.

[Lynx122]

You made me think a lot with your first response. I need to be more aware of my emotions. When I start a youtube channel I can't let feelings build up like that. I'm thinking about using CBD oil to slow down my mind a bit and give my emotions room to breathe so that I can process them more when they happen and I don't have this build up. Going to the limit is definitely an interesting challenge but it also makes the margin for error a lot smaller between looking for a challenge and coming across as a mad extremist :D

[AmandaYVR]

CBD oil is a good idea.
Oils are a bit slower to hit and come on more gradually. Could take an hour or two to hit so it doesn’t work like a pill that is ingested. You must be patient, not in a bad state already. Vaporizers and vape pens would be faster. But in general CBD is subtle but effective.

[Barbaric]

I don't think he's wrong at all here. There are indeed women who don't do this, who do end up settling down earlier on and are more family-oriented - that's what me and my girl did. We met in our early 20s. However, when it comes to the majority of young women today, this is literally what they do.

In this take: Girls: Dating 101: True Love Waits ↗ you advised women to wait for sex if they wanted to, in order to weed out guys who aren't serious. One guy mentioned that what you said was "not true" (that it's bad advice) because that advice doesn't work for men, that men who wait often get friend-zoned. This has been my experience also. I mentioned that good advice for women is not necessarily good advice for men if you remember, and you agreed. But that's why some men will naturally take issue with it.

This take, this is good for men, not necessarily good for women. That's why women, including yourself perhaps, will naturally take issue with it.

I disagree with your idea that giving the benefit of the doubt is a good idea, that not doing so is a recipe for failure. As a man, as I see it, far too many men are willing to give no-good women the benefit of the doubt and then they act surprised when they get screwed over. While women do need to watch out for players, guys need to protect themselves too. That's why I think that understanding this stuff here is important, and that not ignoring red flags is also important. In fact in some ways, men are taught that certain red flags aren't really red flags when they are, and that's why they get screwed over also. Women like these mostly need to be avoided.

[AmandaYVR]

Barbaric, I see that I was wrong about you. You are actually too far gone to the dark side for there to be any point me taking the time to counter or converse with you. There are so many things in what you said here, both to me and on your standalone comment, it honestly would be pointless for me to continue. You seem to think your summary is all-fact and all-logical, but I see it riddled with cherry-picked ideas and examples, and I do not have the energy to play tit for tat and do the same to prove any point. All I will say is that I strongly, vehemently disagree, and I hope that your words do not spill out into the world, as you would wish them to, and adhere to the many people who are teetering on the fence, trying to sort of where everything went awry in society. This is very, very toxic, what you are dispersing, like a chemical spill.

If you think I am not aware of the existence of *some* of these things, or that I choose and prefer the blissful ignorance of the blue pill existence, you are sadly mistaken. I analyze everything, every system, every action, every person with a heaping pile of salt, and a magnifying glass, and I honestly wish more people would do the same.

[AmandaYVR]

But sadly, no, it is far mentally and emotionally easier to direct all the blame, all the hatred onto others, ignore context, and let confirmation bias rule your mind, thus making the wheel spin round ad infinitum. Yes, there are examples of what you describe. There are also countless and continuous examples of situations and people illustrating just the opposite. Almost every day (or at minimum a couple of times every week) I encounter people learning new things about themselves, and trying to correct their wayward thinking, or impulsive past actions. Today is a good day, and I feel honoured to be a witness to some of them.

It is your decision, and everyone else's, to focus on what you want to see, and to not be open to the idea that people can change. Your mind is shut. Thus, this concludes our interaction.

[Barbaric]

I don't think that what I'm saying is toxic or hateful. I'm well aware that I'm generalising, I know that not all women are like this. I know that people are individuals and that you should judge each individually. But I also won't pretend that there aren't observable patterns in behaviour either, r that there isn't a difference between men and women, because these things will help you to better figure people out.

I think that there's a bit of a double-standard when it comes to this. In your take, you're speaking about guys who only want to use women for sex and the way they behave. You're telling women how not to be fooled by those men. You notice patterns in behaviour, you point out those red flags. And that's fine, I agree with all of that. It's obvious that you're not talking about all men either. But then I do the same thing for men and you say that I'm toxic? It's like on the one hand with women you tell them to notice these possible red flags and patterns in behaviour, but then on the other hand you're telling Lynx here that he should give people the benefit of the doubt as if it's all completely random and not to spot those possible red flags.

I think that I read the take a little too quickly after reading it again, especially the last part. I don't think he's right that men shouldn't commit to women at all or that there are no women worth committing to, I just think that there are certain women men should avoid. I've been with my girl for 7+ years now - which is why the part about blame, implying that I have something to be bitter about, is off.

[AmandaYVR]

@Barbaric The difference between your and Lynx's writing and mine, is that I zero'd in on one particular aspect - young or pressured or inexperienced girls, or young women who are either not ready for a sexual relationship, or have the feeling that they are being used solely for sex, or do things (like give or offer guys they just met blowjobs), only to see if it will make them be liked, appreciated, and that their only or main value to a man [maybe a particular man] comes from their sexuality. And I know this is common, because I see it in their questions here weekly, maybe even daily. I described 4 types of men (which did not cover them all.) I never said 'all men want you for sex'... did I? Because I don't believe this. I never have.

Both of yours and Lynx's comments are much more overarching, making the overall portrayal of the opposite sex dismal.
I am typically not one who likes wasted words such as, "but of course this is a generalization, or analyzing one aspect, or one archetype", I don't need them, but I do, from time to time say those words, because it appears they do need to be said.

I cannot argue with you and Lynx if your particular and specific experiences have been consistently with these types of girls. And of course I do recognize/believe, as you both do, that the times are changing and in many ways it is not for the better. If you read my writing on gag, you may bump into me saying this often. Dating appears to suck right now.

[AmandaYVR]

But again, it is rife with choices. And, many of these problems come from choices. Some are byproducts of other things, but no one ever had it easy. People are fickle, tricky, and selfish beings by nature (all living creatures are.) But I will not let people off the hook by either claiming that "if only" sort of mentality (such as that an entire generation has an impossible situation in front of them), or that the other gender is primarily to blame. Where is accountability? It is vital. Not just in dating and relationships, but in life.

Can you understand me, that I hate cliches, and stereotypes, and I get bored of my own words and repeating myself, but as much as I say, it will never be enough to satisfy everyone. Many will still interpret the writing one way, or another, and that is understandable. But what I do not do (not very often, at least) is to put all of the blame on one side, and so flippantly disparage an entire gender.

I do have issues with this and that, what I have experienced and now am observing. I find it very interesting to analyze the cause and effect of things. I can be not just a pessimist, but a nihilist as well. In one way it is understandable to make certain conclusions based on a few things you read (and I do take some of the responsibility for that, always thinking about my writing and how things were taken, or should have been written better.)

[AmandaYVR]

But I am not here to fight with people, or simply wander around saying 'the sky is falling'. Everyone can have a bad day, or few, or lousy few months, but it is so dismissive to say that all is lost, and lump every girl, and woman, into a discarded pile. I am not defending bad behaviour. I challenge that thinking often on here. But I give people some room to breathe, and as long as they're not anon which provides no prior history or context, I give them enough respect (all users, not just females) to take what they have said in context, and not write them off after one misstep.

I know, I am not the target audience. I am of another generation than some that are being discussed here. Barbaric, you are with someone and that's good (which does somewhat puzzle me why you would have so much animosity considering you are out of the market for 7 years.) Lynx would like to find a good partner. I will never defend the behaviour both of you described. But I am challenging you, yes, to not condemn the innocent. They are here, they are everywhere in the world, just as there are good men still. I am not saying that with my head in the sand. Trust me. My eyes are wide open. I don't coddle. I feel many others need a wake up call sometimes. I answer a lot of questions, and speak one on one with many people in PM, and I have an innate interest in this, even though I am not in the dating pool myself. This is more about sociology and psychology to me than something personal.

[AmandaYVR]

But I lived it for a decade, and I am passing along a reminder to have some perspective, and objectivity. Every day is a new day and anything can happen. Today, I can say was a good day for me. I did some of my own personal writing for hours this morning, and then spent time communicating with three people on gag, all of which were very deep and rewarding for me. One friendship is reunited, one continues, and another person is new to me, but she is quite honestly very impressive, not allowing herself to be one of the girls you describe, despite a great heartache and feeling cast aside. She's valiantly pushing herself to think deeper, to be better.

I'm sorry this is so long, but I mean every word I have said. I honestly can't say it any more concise.

[Barbaric]

I can understand what you're saying. I think that you either misunderstand me or maybe I just wasn't clear enough. In trying not to make my posts TL;DR I perhaps leave out a few things.

My intention isn't to paint all women as bad. I know that good women exist and that I'm generalising. I'm not condemning the innocent. Good men/women have always been hard to find, but I'd say that's much more true today because our culture has become toxic and there are so many negative influences again for both men and women. I'm not trying to push dysfunctional or toxic beliefs and behaviours, I'm trying to point them out.

I agree with you on choices being important. I'm all about helping men not to make bad choices, especially good men who just want to find a good woman. While I know that women have problems too, as a man I can see how men are just taught a whole load of bullshit about dating, relationships, about what it means to be a man by society in general. That's partly the reason why so many young men feel so lost today - as I once was. The "lost generation" as some people call it.

The reason I'm convinced that I'm right about the things I mentioned in my stand-alone answer is because I too am interested in psychology, and in trying to analyse cause and effect. Especially when it comes to inter-sexual dynamics and the changes we're seeing there. I don't base my ideas only on my own experiences or personal biases, or on any kind of hate or bitterness. I notice patterns in behaviour in particular and these are the patterns I see.

If anything while I analyse these things I try to remove my personal feelings and any biases I might have as much as possible, so as not to avoid admitting any truths which I consider to be uncomfortable. I might come across as angry but I'm not. There's no animosity. I think I maybe just come across that way because I'm very blunt.

[AmandaYVR]

Thank you, Barbaric.
I'm kind of talked out about this topic right now, to be honest, but I appreciate the thoughtful reply.
Truce.

[apple24]

You Know what at the end it doesn't matter. Because the same thing can be said about men who slept with so many girls. They can't probably bond or have trust in one girl. The most important thing in life is to be happy no amount of romance will ever make your life better. You have to wake up and decided today I am going to be happy and do it proudly. I think people hide behind this idea of romance and sex as a way to escape what they really want is happiness. Romantic is a man made ideal. Traditional marriage was to raise children. I think I am happy without it and no its not because I was sleeping around ir more I don't need another human confirmation to feel loved and special.

[Guy13]

It is not this way where I live. All the PhD same level guys are chasing Conservative, virgin, and/or home schooling Moms, OR if it moves the guys are screwing it. The woman are F'in irritate because their Daddies taught them to be resume comparing. "I do not see what he finds attractive about her" or "he should be educated out of this behavior by now." I sit around and LMAO most the Time.-I rent property around three major Universities.

The traditional Conservative male value is as high as it has ever been... even the 1950s. We are lesser numbered in general population and "all the good ones are married".

Maybe 20% of the Male population, that consider themselves traditionalists, are able to mirror and live those values. Most of the guys I know are seeking opposite of the hoe and junk hanging out everywhere types. "She is not a Mother." The guys are picky as hell and can be given the Numbers of this day. They are seeking like-minded which means Christian up to Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity Female version. Many of the moderates are going with the Asian and India females as they work like dogs which is something they appreciate but MOSTLY come from strong Family raising.

Your viewpoint may be accurate for 16-23.

[jkm1864]

The fact is 70% of the women out there are only attracted to 30% of the men so why on earth would they get married when they are already banging 3 to 4 women at a time? Oh and those 70% of the guys well lets just say they all get to compete for a mere 30% of the women and believe Me that competition is brutal. The fact is the majority of men are totally invisible to women and WE have to move heaven and earth just to find love meaning We have to burry ourselves in our careers and We might get a chance when women pull their heads out of their asses when they hit 30. I know I was in this boat and all I ever wanted was one woman to love Me and guess what it happened when I had started making six figures and She just happened to notice Hey here is a great guy with a great job and He's very stable. Well lets look what I brought to the table a good job, very dependable, mature, and I was a family man. Now what did She bring to the table a vagina and 60k in credit card debt. Oh and guess what it didn't matter because I was so desperate for love I paid off that debt, bought her a house, gave Her a family, paid for Her college, and paid off Her future debt. Now what did She take from Me all of My money in shop till You drop spending sprees, 17 years of My life where I regularly turned in 100 hour time sheets per week, My child, My house that I paid all the notes on, and She enslaved Me to child support after She cheated. So guess what I have decided that constantly jumping through hoops just to get a woman whom blows all Her money and mine on worthless crap whom will eventually cheat isn't worth it anymore. Oh and by the way We talk amongst ourselves and any older man whom has went through the ringer the first thing He tells a younger man is never settle down with a western woman because they always cheat and honestly a hooker is cheaper in the long run and they won't break Your heart when they leave.

[WadeDanielSmith2]

In spite of stereotypes, because women are bisexual more often than men, it means women actually cheat more often than men on average, but the man gets all the blame. If you call a woman a "whore" you get accused of "hate speech".

Why don't people commit in relationships? It starts with the fact they reject God and reject God's commandments. When you are taught in school that you are nothing more than an evolved monkey and there is no God and no purpose for existence, then you don't have much motivation to give a rats ass about anyone other than yourself, so people do whatever they find immediately self-gratifying.

They have rejected the Ten Commandments and the Law of Moses, which is the only fair law ever written down, and they've replaced that with total anarchy, especially in the past 5 generations in the United States. Now that the Bible and Ten Commandments have been banned from school and government, it is total anarchy and I expect murder, rape, beastiality, and human sacrifice to be legalized in the next two generations. There are already people pushing for this right now, and a LOT of the users of this website already have in mind someone they would murder and/or rape if they thought they could get away with it.

About 25% of the adult population in the United States has 1 or more STDS and about 15% of them have an incurable STD, because about 95% of adults in the United States live like complete whores/man-whores and spread the diseases around faster than doctors can cure them, and just because an STD doesn't kill you right away doesn't mean it won't kill you in 10 or 20 years.

Anyway, if you commit adultery/fornication before you are married, you'll do it again after you're married, if you aren't faithful to God even when your eternal soul is the cost, then obviously you aren't going to be faithful to another human being.

[Regmorus]

Though I don't like the take for trying to give all the fault to women, I agree that some underlying idea is true - whether you were interested to convey this idea specifically or not. Namely that for the sake of individual we, people, (I specifically don't count myself out) sacrifice the routine that was established during the two milleniums. Which had of course it's own major problems but all together allowed the society, culture, children to live and exist in harmony and a stable development of humanity.
And the saddest thing is that many of us are just like that, that this myself above all thinking and disability to think in terms of preservation of common values and well-established construct of social life, are intrinsic part of us who are the many, and to change it in oneself is not possible. It's what we are literally. Already in the very corner brought there by merciless evolution of the mind (evolution meaning the chain of changes occuring due to existence and development under some conditions and due to preexisting conditions, no positive shade meant). The human race is programmed to be destroyed from inside, just like dinosaurs had to be destroyed from outside.

[Bandit74]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but it's definitely not true that most men refuse to commit. It might be true that higher percentages of men are unwilling to commit compared to the past but statistically most men still get into committed relationships/marriage. I could also say that women are less likely to commit too since they have their own money and as you said they get used to hooking with hot guys and are disgusted with having to settle with an average guy so some might prefer to just keep hooking up with hot guys rather than commit to an average one. And if they want kids they could just get high quality sperm from a sperm bank and raise the kid themselves while continuing to hookup with conventionally hot guys.

[Celtero]

I dunno man, I just don't see this. Sounds like a standard red-pill seminar to me.

The reality is marriage and relationships are dying institutions all around. There's sad and lonely men and women, and independent and satisfied single men and women out there as well.

A lot of red pill thought is moreso a male power fantasy. It's a great feeling to think "wow, women are messing up by not being desperate virgins longing to be my wife."

And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of contemptible slags of women out there... But same goes for men.

[Anonymous]

This is simply ignorance.
What about those women who are loyal, virgin only for one guy and only love one guy but still get abused by him, manipulated by him and cheated on?
Men are more sex driven and more likely to cheat. See the statistics of cheating.
This isn't an excuse to cheat anyways. You're justifying men's cheating and men know they are the guilty ones so they need to get back at females.
I'm still loyal even after I've been with liars.
It doesn't mean that I will also cheat on the next genuine guy.

[daren0326]

You forget that this is a massive competition and girls are mostly looking for the top 10 percent of guys and guys are looking for any good girl, and once girls reach their 30s-40s they get rejected by guys and the girl's picky options start to dwindle and have to settle for a more realistic guy, but a lot don't and end up staying single because during their 20s they rejected guys and didn't cling to one guy and marry him, they instead chose to have fun. Dating is rough these days. Obviously not all girls do this and guys also do this but lets not forget that there is a majority for both sides and a minority for both sides.

[Anonymous]

As much as females will not admit they are the problem, they have made themselves completely worthless except for their holes.
They act like spoiled entitled children, the dress and act like whores most of the time,
They endlessly play victim and refuse to take responsibility for themselves or their actions.

They have take all value away from themselves.

And as much as their are those outside that group, they are the minority and don’t do anything to stop the rest from destroying the value.

[1truekhaleesi]

Let me guess you're single?

[Opinion Owner]

@1truekhaleesi Nope. I have a beautiful wife and kids.
You shaming attempt is noted, but like all shaming tactics is completely irrelevant to the truth of a statement.

[YHL6965]

I'm personally looking for women who are mature and who don't play such games because they exist. I avoid girls who got this mentality of "wanting the goods without the responsibilities". I want to commit to someone, but not to anyone, to a woman that behaves and thinks like an adult. I'm really not picky on anything that's not personality because finding someone like that might already be hard.

[Anonymous]

Because most women view guys as weights anymore. The only thing men can do for women that women can't do for themselves anymore is love and desire them. But this takes work, effort. Most women just find it easier to hook up with eye candy and fantasize the rest. It works for rhem in the short run at least.

[Dchrls78104]

Good take. Much of it is true in my country. You forgot to mention what happens to many men in committed relationships: in my country they lose their homes to the woman, or else, as in at least one case, they get stuck paying court ordered child support for children that aren't theirs.

[bakingperfectionist]

Yea okay buddy xD I used to act like the perfect little future housewife and I still got under-appreciated and cheated on. My conclusion? trash men will always be trash, good men will always be good, regardless of all this bull.

[Anonymous]

The following image is a summation of this take...

[1truekhaleesi]

You either respect all women or you don't. I have no problem staying celibate for life because (most) guys believe my value as a woman and human being go down every time I have sex or go out to a party.

[LThunder]

Wrong. Respect is earned.

[jestergent]

"They gave up their most attractive years to one guy in return for commitment".
Above qoute is what I value in a woman.

[007kingifrit]

its true. delete tinder ladies and search for a forever man now, if you wait till you're 30 its too late, you won't be attractive enough for a mate anymore

[Thatsamazing]

Lot of facts not submitted into evidence there, bro. "In the past women got married very young mostly virgins" uhh... were you around personally to experience that? Girls have been giving it up before marriage since the dawn of humanity. So...

[Cryostatic]

Dude, over two million men marry women every year.

"Most guys" have absolutely zero fucking problem committing.

[LThunder]

Marriage is at a record low. Half of those end in divorce.

[Liam_Hayden]

It is simple, guys. Just be very, very choosy and take your time.

[AmeerX]

Tell this to gold diggers who say that people are jealous of them and should not judge their choice. I even habe proof of it