It isn't. The trouble is that when you look at those kinds of things you tend to think too logically about it - with the wrong kind of logic. I'll explain.
When it comes to male attraction to women, it is mainly about looks. Personality matters obviously, she has to be a decent person for the guy to like her, but looks are the main thing that attracts a guy to a woman. With the example of the "Take Me Out" show, if you put 30 attractive men on there judging a woman and the woman was of the same level of physical attractiveness as those men, she'd get the same results.
When it comes to female attraction to men, it's a lot different than male attraction to women. This is where most guys get the wrong ideas.
A show like "Take Me Out" is heavily based on superficial traits. Those girls make quick decisions based on his looks and a couple of short rounds where he does some kind of trick, or some video from his friends and family. You see girls turn their lights off over the dumbest little things. It's just a silly game on TV, it's not what happens in real life most of the time.
The same goes for online dating. Online dating, especially sites like Tinder, are also heavily superficial. When it comes to women, they might turn a guy down simply because he didn't take a good picture, or because he's a bit shorter than she'd like, or earns less than she'd like. But again, that isn't what happens in real life.
When you meet someone face to face you see them as they are. Some people for example don't look good in pictures but they look good in real life - many also look good in pictures but not in real life. So there's that.
There's also so much more that goes on in a face to face interaction that is missed with online dating. Body language, mannerisms, vocal tone, other non-verbal signs that tell you a lot about that person's personality. This is why, if you have the confidence, it can actually be easier to meet someone face to face. Online dating is just pictures and words on a screen, face to face interaction is so much more than that.
Women tend to make decisions emotionally, more-so than men. They don't think as logically as men do. This isn't an insult to women and it's not a bad thing, it's just how they work.
When women list off qualities that they want in a guy, they're speaking logically. Usually there are hidden meanings behind those preferences that maybe they aren't even conscious of themselves which I'll also explain.
She might say that she likes a guy who is:
- above 6' tall
- outgoing
- funny
- successful in his career/ambitious
Guys, being too logical in their thinking, will see that and take her at her word. "Oh she only dates guys over 6', I have no chance". In reality, she ends up dating guys who don't fit that description all the time. Why? Because even though they didn't fit that description, they still had some appeal to her on an emotional level.
Here's what I mean by hidden meanings: she says she likes a 6' tall guy. Why? Ask most women why they want a tall guy and they'll say "it's because he makes me feel safe". Key word: FEEL. They like to feel safe - this also lets them feel feminine around him. Now imagine they meet a much shorter guy who makes them feel safer than another guy who is 6 foot - it will have the same effect.
She likes "outgoing" guys. What she means is that she likes confident guys. A guy who is introverted, maybe not such a big talker, but who is highly confident, is often going to be just as attractive to her as an outgoing guy.
An average looking guy who is intelligent, funny, confident, masculine, makes her feel safe etc. Will be more attractive than a pretty boy who doesn't have those qualities so much. It's more about the "feelings" with women.
This is why you shouldn't take any of those things, whether they're studies from OKCupid or women listing their standards, as seriously as most guys do.00 Reply
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Yes dating is rigged in the favor of women now that you know the truth now what will you do?
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Nothing left to do but accept reality I can only pray that i'm able to live a single life without being driven to madness.
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Go to the Mountains of Madness...
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No... let her eventually be raped by one of the pretty boys
Dating is not rigged. Dating is what YOU choose to do and how you choose to date. If you care about looks, then don't be upset when that other person is not attracted to you. If you don't, and they do, why are you trying to DATE THEM? Don't be an idiot, move on. That's what I say. I don't care what the studies say. Statistics can only measure the choices others make. It doesn't make it authority.
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Non of that made sense to me.
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I honestly don't understand why women have to lie so much about looks when it CLEARLY matters to them!!
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Asker you haven't issue and you just need to go get help. Serious professional help. You want to listen to what the world tells you, you continue listening to the world that's why you're single and miserable. Nobody owes you a date and not every woman cares about looks so sorry. You just sound like you have nothing to offer a woman and it's very selfish.
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guys with autism have nothing to offer a woman usually
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@KatherineAustin96 Ofc women blame men again how rare you do realize there are multiple statistics that backs these claims right? So it's a women's problem tbh
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so it's true that autistic guys are undesirable then
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Literally someone ( your rotten gender) above you says exactly what the issue is i'm starting to believe these mass shooters that are targeting women are doing me a favor.
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@KatherineAustin96 Drink cum bitch.
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incels tend to have autism though
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@KatherineAustin96 Feminism is enough to cause autism in males so whats your point?
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uh what, that made no sense?
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@KatherineAustin96 Radical feminism + young males = Autistic males
Correct way (Uh, what? That made no sense.) The way you wrote it made no sense I couldn't tell if that was a question, sarcasm or what ever you intended it to be. - +1 y
um there are autists out there that can get a date, but it's a small number though
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@KatherineAustin96 Enough of this conversation talking to you serve no purpose aside from causing a flame war
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@Asker, no offense but you need to go get a hobby, go see professional counseling, and find a purpose in life. Because you think people supposed to cater to you just because you have a problem physically or mentally. And that is not how a relationship works. Stop blaming feminism for all these problems that you personally have within yourself. Because your situation has zero to do with feminism. It's a fact that you have self hatred. Before feminism even became a thing, there was a reason why people who have certain illnesses never got married or got involved sexually with another person.
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There are some people who suffers from autism and still is able to find somebody to be with and actually have a happy married life too. Your problem is that you want to be very selfish and think you're entitled. Entitled men like you whether you have an illness or not are not attractive. No different from a woman who thinks she's so entitled to everything also.
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so you're attacking him because he said something true? Very Trump-like of you
I can imagine shallow women attacking him... - +1 y
Nobody is attacking anybody. He has an issue and it's as simple as that. What is so hard in just finding a person to just be friend and get to know and see if you're compatible? You people sadly just don't know how to have proper relationships. That's what it clearly tells me. And just the fact that you don't know how to have proper relationships is a turn off regardless of what you think you have to offer. It's just stating the facts and actually being honest. He does need counseling because he thinks it's all about him and it's not. Then he ends up single for the rest of his life he wants to be angry with the world and everybody else. It's his choice like we all have a choice.
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He is not saying anything true. He's saying something that's based on his own perceptions and biases. I am not that type of woman. And I have friends and no people personally who are not like that either. So it's simply based on what type of women he's looking to go after. And the type of woman that he's interested in are shallow women because he's also shallow as a person.
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The choices people make obey social phenomena and not their mere individual choice.
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Your ignorance in theory of mind, social behavior and lack of self awareness kinda makes it a challenge to explain you even we're not talking nor centering the world around your personal ego, but the behavior of many others that have further reasons to behave the way they do than what are you capable of modelling.
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I'll limit it to a simple, more affordable food for thought for your psyche: consider that your choices have consequences and influences over others.
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@BrokenEmpathy Do you actually think ANYBODY CARES about your woes and nonsense? No! I know for myself I don't date strangers. Period. I don't care about looks and all of that garbage. As I have told him before, so are my friends and others I have met and became close with. So if you people want it to be that way. That is your business. You will be judged the same way. No ignorance over here. Just you people. I don't have any ego. That's you crazy behind people.
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You're so triggered and neurotic for people talking you in a civilized way, makes me wonder if I should treat you more according to your selfish ape behavior. But I'll give you a second chance to think that perhaps your choice pattern isn't as unique as you think it is, and that perhaps millions of people think in similar terms, favoring certain preferences and characteristics only a minor subset of populations have, you follow the lead from there.
Perhaps you missed your math class to ponder the difference between your reduced social sphere and actual massive populations, perhaps you can't differentiate between what you think you prefer and what you actually pick in the facts, there are tons of factors to ponder for that tiny brain of yours.
If you learn to control your emotions and behaving like a neurotic animal, you might even want to read some science on it : justpaste. it/2msmg - +1 y
And no one said anything about owing, yet another piece of strawman nonsense your brain makes up to avoid facing the facts you feel entitled to ignore from your bubble.
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I ain't triggered about nothing you dumb idiots do. I do what I do and I live the life that I live and that's simply that. If you people want to go by looks and other ignorant nonsense then that's your business. I don't need to have crazy people like you in my life. I have the people that I want and I simply that. I have full control of my emotions so I think you better double-check yourself otherwise you wouldn't keep replying back to my comment feed. As a society we only really supposed to be involved with one person at a time and we're supposed to stick with one person sexually for the rest of our lives. Since you people want to haul around and screw anybody you find that can walk on two legs, that's for you people to live and deal with. I don't have social problems I have problems with how the society thinks.
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Do you even realize all what you have done so far is write about yourself? Let alone you not even being self aware about the cause behind your own choices, some seriously cringeworthy show you're putting up here for simply taking scientifically described facts like the ones in the link.
Anyways, if straight science can't open your eyes, you're fucked beyond any hope to expect intellectual worth from your undeveloped chimp brain. - +1 y
Shouldn't even crack this in tutorial mode for you but this is textbook narcissistic behavior you're putting here. Each of your bullshit strawmen points aren't even real but the attempt of legitimating your own insecure and blind self.
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@BrokenEmpathy I don't fricking CARE ABOUT SCIENCE AND ANY OF THE BS. Get that through your head. I am NOT like you people. I do not have narcissistic behavior. I care about what I have to do in life and help others who need the advice, wisdom, and knowledge if they don't have any. I do not ASSOCIATE with people who are careless, have no responsibility for their choices, and complain about them. You people are insecure. Talking about how dating is rigged is stupid. I learn to accept how the world is and don't be around people who agree with ungodly standards. PERIOD. You have unrealistic expectations and bias's it's not even funny. Just because you're not attracted to certain people physically, that doesn't mean you treat them like garbage. And that is basically what your saying. This is not an argument or debate. So stop trying to force your junk on other people who think healthy.
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I write about myself in that example because you people want to force others to believe your nonsense. Science doesn't control, my way of thinking. I am not going to treat others poorly because of 'science'. That's how ridiculous you sound. That shows how much lack of self-control and personal responsibility and accountability you have.
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>I don't care about science.
And this is how you expect others to respect or trust your shit incoherent speech?
>I am NOT like you people.
Honestly, you're not as special as you think you are, and this is why you're triggered to care and reply in such a butthurt tone, over an over. Because what we say shakes your moral foundations about personal responsibity and freedom, specially for a pampered daddy's girl like you who didn't have to put effort in thinking through things. You're strongly deluded into your own just world fallacy (https://en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis) to the point you refuse to listen or read anyone but to put yourself above the rest.
>I care about what I have to do in life and help others who need the advice, wisdom, and knowledge if they don't have any
For a mental retard who can't even compel to adapt in front of new empirical strong evidence, you have no shame in allowing your ego to boast what it doesn't have. You're in no position to talk about healthy standards with your unexistent degree of critical thinking.
You write about yourself because you don't know shit about anyone else, having lived in that tiny shell of yours you could barely even identify your own flaws in comparison to others. You freak out whining how others don't have authority to impose anything (which I haven't done), yet you're unironically imposing what you believe to be the correct way of thinking, talk about your blatant daddy's girl hypocrisy.
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@BrokenEmpathy Oh PLEASE!
"And this is how you expect others to respect or trust your shit incoherent speech?" I'm not on 'guru' status for nothing. My speech pattern has 0 to do with what is being conveyed. So don't use that as an excuse for your jealous butt.
"Honestly, you're not as special as you think you are, and this is why you're triggered to care and reply in such a butthurt tone, over an over." Or maybe I would appreciate it if you could shut up and get off my comment feed. But I have been TOO NICE to you. And now I'm telling you that if you cannot respectfully agree to disagree with what I said, get off or get blocked. Period. I should not have to correct you.
". Because what we say shakes your moral foundations about personal responsibity and freedom, especially for a pampered daddy's girl like you who didn't have to put the effort in thinking through things. " Another BS lie. I am smart enough not to go after people who are not right for me and that's that. I'm not the one complaining about why I can't get somebody, because of 1, I am celibate. I don't care for that sexual life with somebody, be it in a marriage or not. Not anymore at least. Because people of YOUR mentality screwed it UP for people who believe in doing it the right way without anybody causing problems for others. So if it's rigged, YOU people made it rigged that way! No fallacies here. Just the facts you don't want to admit to. I can admit it and isn't afraid to admit it.
"For a mental retard who can't even compel to adapt in front of new empirical strong evidence, you have no shame in allowing your ego to boast what it doesn't have. You're in no position to talk about healthy standards with your unexistent degree of critical thinking." You better watch your mouth buddy. I am not playing with people like you and think you're not going to feel the heat. - +1 y
I ain't freaking out, once again for the last time about ANYTHING. It is not so hard for me to find a person within my group of friends or people I can befriend and see if we're compatible with. It's you people crying and whining about not getting a woman to want you. My way has always worked so well, that is how my close friends and people I have advised able to GET MARRIED and have children of their own. In fact, it's not my way. Its GOD's way. If your ways worked all so well, why the HELL can you not find 1 person, just 1 PERSON to make your partner and MARRY THEM! Let alone KEEP 1 person for the rest of your lives? Because you people are stubbern, selfish, unprepared, don't know what your doing, don't CARE about what you do, don't want to learn anything, and you go about your entire lives like this. Yet make everybody else around you miserable! I have to be stupid to hear anything you have to say. I keep my relationships with people. Your willing to toss them away. Every guy that approached me, I told them NO. I don't date strangers. I Don't know them. There were handsome men that were amazing in general, I shut them down too. So who are you calling mentally retarded and all of that other BS your writing? Let you people suffer. That's what I say when you don't want to listen to sound advice.
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You might truly believe to yourself you aren't, but for anyone reading you from outside that biased mind of yours, it's clear you are. You're not even being able to differentiate your own self from others, which is what egocentrism is by definition. You're purposely cherrypicking a few successes as your own doing while conveniently putting fault at others for every time your ideas have failed, which is yet another reason to disregard the validity of your authority. You're the one here unable to actually learn about others, yet you expect others to "learn" something that most of people learned way before you, tried, and realized it didn't work same way for everyone. It's like you don't even know about the relational nature of knowledge or the basics of epistemology, given the way you keep assuming you know something others don't but you refuse to accept others do know what you don't.
After the point you decided to disregard empirical evidence to sustain your narrative it's getting harder to take you seriously, nonetheless.
A billionaire is not entitled to a dollar same way a homeless person is, nice way of covering your advantage in the sexual market, by the way. Keep´pretending you weren't raised full of privileges in your developed country life. - +1 y
To help your hindered logical process to move on a little further, no one ever talked about entitlement in dating here, but that in the dating market does not offer opportunities based on personality or merit. You can "put effort" and get nothing, same way you can do nothing yet get rewarded, some people will claim that's because of physical attributes, others because of cultural biases, it can be more complex than that but I don't trust you're capable of abstract thinking enough to consider multicausal phenomenon or social inclusion issues.
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In summary, male's choices isn't what predominantly determines who gets opportunities and who doesn't. People can take accountability for the variables they control and they'll still be excluded, that doesn't mean they're claiming to be entitled to it but that you should not pretend everyone gets the same opportunities. You're employing the same just-world logic muricantards use for pretending the world's poor are poor because they're lazy while they work 60 hrs a week to reach a months end (I know this because I live in a developing country, sweetheart), and that they're not entitled to basic need, while legitimating the resulting social hierarchy you've been sheltered from realizing its extent.
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I don't really think you understand anything you're what I'm saying at all you just rambling on about crap. What you're not understand is that who cares about the freaking dating Market? You do, that's why you can't get anybody. You can put whatever all you want and get nothing is right, but it has nothing to do with that. It's about meeting the needs and the filling your obligations to another person. You're the one that's not capable of abstract thinking. I'm very clear about what is and what isn't. I don't have a bias mine. I do what the Lord commanded. And if he said don't be involved with certain person, I'm not going to be involved with a certain person. It's just that simple. You people just go out there and everybody you know you're not compatible with and then you want to complain about it. So whose fault is that that's yours. So my ideas have none to do about what other people choose to do. If y'all people want to be Hoes Be hoes. I have no desire to touch a man that is a hoe and doesn't want to serve God.
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See you care about what the world and society, tells you to do and tells you to do yet you're the one that's complaining. I don't have to complain about what Society does knowing that I have nothing to do about what other people choose to do. If somebody tell you to jump off a building, would you do it? You know you may just be that it isn't that what. But I learn to make judgment calls in my life and it says what type of person is right for me and which is it. You people are just like horny dogs that just go out to anybody that walks. Like I told plenty of boys and young men that I have encountered my entire life. And they don't want me because I refuse to be a whore to them that's on them.
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Everybody has more than enough opportunities, and choices in life. If they cannot find those opportunities and where they live at, then they should move somewhere else where the opportunities are greater for them. See you in a developing country that's why you have such narrow viewpoints.
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It is not so hard again to find one person who wants to make it work with you, and you equally feel the same way and you get on with life. But what you people do is not that. You waste your time and you waste others time. I'm about getting on with life, I'm not about stagnant living. Those who want to come with me can come with me. Those who wants to stay, stay. When you end up in rut because you didn't want to listen to me the first time then you stay in it. That's my mentality.
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It really isn't that hard. You dumb people just make it more complicated than what it has to be. That's why I got to behave the way how you're behaving, I cut them off, because it's toxic. I have faith and belief in myself to know that I am capable and have the ability to make another person happy. But at the same time with my current way of living I am unable to provide that for myself, so how in the world can I provide that for another man. So maybe you need to think about what you're saying when you call somebody else not making an effort. I make every effort with the relationship I have with my family and friends and people in general. And I will not invite more people in my life when I can only barely take care of the ones I even have.
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Man, I'd keep trying to answer you with the intellectual honesty I've put in my prior answers but 7 answers and you keep doing nothing but completely ignoring my points, even supported with evidence and links. I really thought you'd be capable of at least opening yourself to critically read and question those links but I can see you must not even have formal education to do so, it's really pitiful to see how none are more hopelessly impaired than those who really think they aren't, as is your case. No wonder you know nothing else but the sum of cognitive biases you call "mentality" and believe to be a consistent one. Not like you knowing your own faults would do any good to anyone either but yourself, so ultimately if you live in an environment that enables you to enjoy your own stupidity, there's no point in breaking that for you. It's like showing a rich kid how miserable are poor people and why their shitty advice doesn't work same way with them as with someone who had way more leverage from material to cultural aspects.
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@BrokenEmpathy "supported with evidence and links" GET OUT in the REAL WORLD AND STOP COMPLAINING. I am not your therapist.
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justpaste. it/2msmg
This is the real world, sweetie. - +1 y
@BrokenEmpathy Nope. Its the world you live in that has a hard time trying to get one woman to look at you. That's what.
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Many men have been way more in the real world than what you have been, indeed. Humble down that baseless arrogance of yours before assuming you're in any position to lecture instead of being lectured.
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It's funny how you keep trying hard to pretend we don't live the same world. Seriously, you're like a fucking schizo trying to separate realities.
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And I did not even claim to be the one at disadvantage here, but I can see how it affects others more than me, but unlike you I'm not one self-centered imbecile uncapable of contextualizing people in social terms apart from personal experience.
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@BrokenEmpathy Okay. I'm done. You know nothing about me, who are you to judge what I am and am not? We are born alone and die alone. Your world is not the same as mine. DIfferent societies and you're in a developing country right? So, who's schizo? You even got the fricking term wrong! Don't go around calling somebody incapable of abstract thinking when you clearly are incapable of that. And you just proved it now. Stop calling me self-centered and acting like your the good guy. Your not. We do not live in the same world. We're sharing space on this planet. Common sense anybody would tell you that. Your world ends when you're dead.
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You just made a shitfeast not only of a single person but a whole group, and now you play victim you got scratches? Talk about that utilitarian mindset you boasted in advance, you ignorant retard. And no, unlike your pampered and sheltered ass, protected from the realities of the rest of the world, we have to watch every single day about yours and the shitfeast you make up for an example. You're a fucking self centered piece of entitled trash because you don't even have the single capacity to imagine, let alone adapt or consider how your life would be if you hadn't been born a privileged whore born in a first world country, I bet you don't even know how to speak another language than English while you expect others to learn yours other than their native tongue.
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@BrokenEmpathy VICTIM? Yep. You're crazy. Get off my feed, please.
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I've dated and had sex with women before, I don't need to be a incel to know the game is rigged, I do from the simple fact that most of walking holes like you don't even have the single capacity to acknowledge or realize their own personal privilege, yet I can see how retarded and pampered people become when they become overprotected by their special inherited conditions.
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@BrokenEmpathy Oh so you ARE a hoe!
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An incompetent answer from an incompetent moron. The fact you're a female makes it ironically more acceptable.
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@BrokenEmpathy Bye-bye. Your being blocked and reported. Not tolerating this anymore.
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That's a nice way of replying to someone who you weren't able to reply back with any solid arguments
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@HopelessPaul This is not an argument. This is him being a rude person who is pissed because of how he chooses to live his life. He's complaining about women, calling me a whore when I'm not, and calling me mentally retarded not once, not twice, 3X. bad enough he used an illegal word that can throw him in jail.
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You're pissed because of an internet argument, and have the audacity to call others ignorant because you lost. There's no illegal statement in there.
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Perhaps the choice here was yours to provoke people with your negative attitude instead of being more comprehensive.
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@HopelessPaul I will tell you like I told him and other people. I don't CARE for an argument. Period. I don't care what others choose to do. I wasn't provoking anybody. If you people want to hop around from female to female, that is your choice. I don't do that with men. If he can't keep his penis in his pants and do what he has to do to attract the right mate in his life, then that's on him. And he wants to bring so-called science in the middle of it. No, be responsible for your own adult choices. Period.
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You should care about that negative attitude of yours, nonetheless
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Because no matter what you think, it doesn't make you entitled to pretend you're the poor insulted victim when you actually earned it
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@HopelessPaul My negative attitude? I make one opinion on here and have the Asker and two more users who are mad at women who don't want to pay attention to them. I am living my life. And that's it. I don't need your negative people in my life to make it worse. I told him like I told the others, you're toxic. Going after strangers to date and mate is not a wise decision to do. You people male and female alike want that, and then you get upset when it doesn't work your way.
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I don't think you realize that not everyone has the same social circle you do, nor what it makes them get discriminated when trying to build one
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If you're getting a headache over a single internet post, you're one to claim knowing how it is for men in the dating world even among real life acquaintances
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"I don't think you realize that not everyone has the same social circle you do, nor what it makes them get discriminated when trying to build one" As I have told him before. MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I had my struggles growing up and I LEARNED to communicate with people and be open to communication. I make my standards clear, I learned to set boundaries and honor myself, my God, my family, and others too. He as many of you people have is UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS and poor COMMUNICATION skills.
"If you're getting a headache over a single internet post, you're one to claim knowing how it is for men in the dating world even among real life acquaintances" Nope. I'm getting a headache by people who are toxic, with toxic energy, and as a Highly Sensitive Person who is very intuitive and absorbs other people's energy and emotions, I know WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. - +1 y
Hmm, yeah, go tell everyone elsewhere, then whine about immigration like you first worlders do.
Proper time to realize that perhaps you're the toxic female (and sadly, not unique)? - +1 y
You fail with women because you don't know how to communicate with one. You assume, you shame, you guilt trip you use, and it's no DIFFERENT from girls and women. The same thing. They don't know how to get a man because they don't UNDERSTAND A MAN. They don't even KNOW what a REAL MAN IS. All they know is that a man is horny and have testicles and a penis. That's all. Many have YET to experience real love from a man is without hoping in her draws. And sadly many let them. And its sad.
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You don't seem a very responsible person, you don't even have the capacity to friendly approach people who have different lives to you without calling them idiots or all the disqualifying adjectives you've employed here.
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@HopelessPaul Whine about immigration? Hey. I am all for this country to crack down and fix their people first. But running from your problems ain't the answer either. They follow you until you deal with the problem with self. So I'm toxic for being a virgin and celibate and not wanting to deal with a guy in that way. Hmm. Yeah. Make's sense that I refuse to romp with a man who is not my husband. Make's me toxic according to your logic. No thanks.
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"You don't seem a very responsible person, you don't even have the capacity to friendly approach people who have different lives to you without calling them idiots or all the disqualifying adjectives you've employed here." I have Atheist friends, Friends that are Italian, Japanese, Chinese and have different religions than me and or have began Christian at some point in their lives. I let God make the decisions to allow who can and won't be in my life. So many people 90% if not more have said that I am kind, sweet, respectful, honorable, raised well with respect, etc. No, what it is, is that you men cannot handle the truth as some other women and girls do. That's what it is. You can't handle it. If I call anybody an idiot, is because many of you are so SMART yet you ACT-SO DUMB. It's like you don't even THINK anymore. And that is a disappointment. So much potential you people have and you waste it in your youth.
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You're not making any logical or coherent sense in any of both paragraphs
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@HopelessPaul What is not LOGICAL! Why are you bringing immigration into the conversation? I don't make sense to you because of your off topic. If you don't get it. Not my problem. FIGURE IT OUT. I'm done. Been said it, now I'm very serious. I'm done. Don't see how you do not understand anything. Maybe pay attention to what you're asking me and what I am telling you.
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Another word salad without any contribution to the point
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@HopelessPaul Take your crap and go elsewhere like I told the others. Debating with people for nonsense is evil and toxic. I don't care about your opinion. Get that through your head.
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So, you choose violence and insults instead of fixing your mistakes.
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@HopelessPaul I don't choose violence and insults. I chose respect for myself and others by leaving you people ALONE. You're the ones on here trying to force your beliefs on me. Its not my life. It's YOURS. You want to complain, go see a SHRINK. This why I told MANY of people who told me to go study to be a therapist or professional counselor, I will NOT. Because your people are behind help. Only God can heal your broken hearts, and souls and fix what is broken. Because a woman is not able to do that. People cannot heal you. You must change and do what you have to do as MEN for yourselves. You people have no respect on here and you dump it on me because you hate that I am stating my peace and standing my ground.
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You just keep insulting anyone who replies something you don't like, even when it's not either personal against you. Let alone projecting your own toxic behavior on others, but socially acceptable nonetheless because you're a female. Had you been born a male, you'd not be able to afford being as vitriolic as you are.
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@Number39 I'm going to tell you, once again like I tell other people. It's not about what I don't like I'm living my own life. I'm not going to drive myself nuts about what other people choose to do. To be happy and to be miserable is personal choice. If I was born a man, I would still do the same thing as I am as a woman. I would learn to honor and respect a woman. Not try to force it into something that she does not want. So when a man thinks that he can try to force me to do whatever I don't want, he must be sadly mistaken. I don't care what other woman choose to do, you going to treat me with respect. And if you man cannot learn to treat a woman with respect, they are not going to respect you. I don't care how shallow woman is about a man's looks, and how sexually attracted she got to be to his looks. You men pick these women, and then you blame the same women's for your mistakes. You can't always go by statistics, because the tistics is not probably measured by facts. It is measured by the actions of the variable. I know because I am studying statistics right now before I take statistics class in college. You people are so ignorant it's not even funny. I don't care what you meant do as I said before. Just stay away from me with your toxic nonsense.
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As I said before many of you lack communication skills. So many of you mentally cannot even be friend or even be around a woman without having to do to be very lustful, and thinking with your penis. Just like some women cannot be around a man without having to think about how big his penis size is. That's disgusting. It's you people, be it a man or woman that has the Toxic mentality and I don't want to be around it. That's why people stick within their own groups oh, because they don't want to be fighting with other people who cannot respect them for being different.
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I think you better recheck the definition of what the word ignorant means. Has nothing to do with me being ignorant. I am very self-aware. I would not be on Guru status on this site if I was so ignorant. You men just want to force your toxic mentality and other people who are healthy, because you can't get a woman. You want a woman to pay attention to you and cater to you for whatever reasons, be it selfish or not what you want, and then you're mad when you're not paying attention to you. It's not about being ignorant. In about living your life have a way you want it. And you have no right to infringe on other people just like I don't. But when you refused to reject my help, and it's coming from a woman, that goes to show you how very ignorant you are. Because a man who has to tell me something that is knowledgeable and insightful concerning certain things with men, I would listen to him. I will not reject his insights. Because as a man he should know his own sex and gender. Just like I respect men who tries to understand women, I don't consider him weak. I consider him wise. The only thing that I try to tell people, is not to just listen to any and everything with our body and use rational judgment. Because people will tell you anything just to get you to fail. I don't want to see you men fail I want to see you succeed. But if you cannot be responsible for your own success, then the prom does not rely on me, ot relays on you. I'm responsible for my growth, I'm responsible for me as a woman, so I can be healthy but other people. But if you think you don't have to change the national problem. You're grown ass man you can do whatever you want
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@Number39 Experience has 0 to do with it. No, your not. Because you haven't shown anything where you deserve it otherwise, you would have had a woman of your standards. Women like me would have no problem wanting to be in your life. But you shame us, shun us, call us prudes and then when you have no CONTROL over us anymore because we won't date you, your mad when we pay attention to other men who aren't like you. It's not a fallacy. It's a choice. You can't make a woman desire you if she didn't already desire that or and is willing herself.
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Once again nonsense body language tells the whole story about someone's day and attitude this fact that you sit here and try to deny something thats already been established is further proof your are ignorant. Many men can't get women today simply because women are so picky as fuck and are told they deserve rich prince charming thank the media for that. Dating is utterly broken and not even worth it I find my success in my money nowadays and I can guarantee you that it's going very well for someone my age. As for sexual desires? Nothing like a good old fashion sex doll.
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@Number39 "Once again nonsense body language tells the whole story about someone's day and attitude this fact that you sit here and try to deny something thats already been established is further proof your are ignorant." WRONG! No matter WHAT a person's body language tells you, if the answer is NO, the answer is NO. You people are cowards and don't try to access a woman's character and worth, you make assumptions and excuses for them to prevent you from getting to know her.
"Many men can't get women today simply because women are so picky as fuck " They hae every right to be picky, especially if they are saving themselves for marriage like me. They ARE the potential future mothers of your children, and they do not want to tie themselves down to a man who gives one minute, is selfish the next. THAT is why you befriend them, be friendly, have intellectual conversations. If an intellectual person hates small talk, STOP with the small talk. She doesn't care about the weather unless she talks about it first. She wants to talk about REAL things, in its RAW EMOTION and often if not unfiltered context. You have to engage a woman's interest. Find out who she is. It's less about flirting and ego boost, it's about again, assessing her CHARACTER. As she equally tests and judges yours.
A woman that is not an Intellectual, however, will enjoy the mundane things. Stuff about how cars work, and the spiritual feel or whatever your thinking about the car because it's your first 'love' bores her. And it's even WORSE with a shallow woman. I don't think you men really pay attention to how you come off. Because again, you don't know how to communicate. That's okay. Just learn and be open to learning.
"and are told they deserve rich prince charming thank the media for that."Oh please. I was fed that nonsense too. You don't see me demanding prince charming. Yes, be a natural prince, just not charming. I don't need a fake. Be as you are, because if we're going to be serious I have - +1 y
to learn to either love you or just tolerate you. And if I have to tolerate you, it means I don't like you or what you're doing. And I'm even a hypocrite for not being honest and addressing the issue politely. Not criticizing you beyond your back or in front of you. That's rude. So if you expect women, in general, to treat you like s***, they will do it.
"Dating is utterly broken and not even worth it I find my success in my money nowadays and I can guarantee you that it's going very well for someone my age." So why are you on here, on my comment feed complaining to me about women? If your celibate like me, and you acting like this. You're stupid. Not me thinking you're a stupid man. But you behave like a stupid man. Because a smart man is aware, but he does not CARE. If you have to have a sex doll, it's sad. You're reduced to nothing out of your choice.
"Once again thats where looks come in women allow desire 7+ it's already been proven from your kind you sitting her arguing with statistics and ironically confirming then." So SORRY I ain't shallow like you and these dumb women. ^^ A man can have a deformity and I will still love for his heart. Not his looks or penis. You have no love you, yet you expect to be loved back. The ridiculous thing I ever heard. - +1 y
@Number39 Your getting worked up. I am just fed up with your BS. This is why I don't date and reject you men. You're not worth my time and other women's time either. You have nothing to show yourself approved to have a woman want you. Your looks have nothing to do it. It's your character and upbringing and your stubbornness to learn.
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I do hang around forums with people that think similarly although they are a bit more extreme then me incel. co to be exact but then again I don't really care for women nor the 'respect' (even though they don't show any) I wasn't born this way I thought I mentioned that before it comes from experience I've had female friends and I've pay attention to our conversations which determined the opinion I have about women. Anything else?
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@Number39 Incel? Nope. To be celibate is a CHOICE.
"it comes from experience I've had female friends and I've pay attention to our conversations which determined the opinion I have about women. Anything else?" See no, that is your choice and your choice alone to treat women like their cancer, just like it was my choice and my choice alone to have seen men as cancer. Men are not CANCER. SOME men are. And you have been around and invited in your life the WRONG KIND OF PEOPLE. And you have still yet to learn. - +1 y
No. You do care because you're too busy arguing with me about it. Better to be honest to yourself. Because even I care about what people think. But I learn to be selective where I desire to seek validation from. Its trial and error in this life. You have dealt with a bad hand as most of us have. But that doesn't mean you give up your rights as a man. You step up and be a man you are called to do and do not STAND for unacceptable behavior. From NO ONE. TAKE authority in your life. Until you learn like I had to learn in middle school, you will continue to be a doormat and a people pleaser all for the wrong reasons.
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I never shunned men altogether. I still invite guys in my life, BUT I am SELECTIVE as with females who I allow in and want to know and love, platonically. And if I wasn't celibate anymore or no longer desire that, and God permits it, and that person is in mutual agreement, maybe we can start something. But again, that is a CHOICE. And it must be mutual.
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She's an an hypersensitive snowflake who got her beliefs ripped apart, she could keep making up anything instead of moving on from the fact she lost an internet debate.
I just really hope they won't let morons like this take important decision-making responsibilities, ever in life. - +1 y
No you people are just sick and crazy. And I'm literally done with you idiots. People like you can't rip my faith apart, cuz I ain't giving it to you. You're the people that have no hope, no faith in anything and you want to drive other people down into the depths of darkness and hell that you're in. If you want to be in hell didn't you stay in hell. But you're not going to drag somebody like me down with you. I already made it clear to you before you idiots don't want to stop. This is not a debate. It's not up for debate. Either you respect that or you get out! Because of you was in my house I would have kicked your butt out of my house. Special snowflake my butt. Yeah the ones that act like special snowflakes you think a woman supposed to cater to every you need you got. You ask no better than these women you judge. Hypocrites!
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@HopelessPaul Yeah I was just letting her babble on about what she believe and she completely ignored the fact that I've already experience many rejections to which that is the reason I believe what I believe added with the fact that there are countless pieces of evidence (some on this post) that dating is in fact rigged for attractive men and any women. No one is born this way.
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Who's the special snowflake now screaming about how you experience so many rejections? I'm not going to use that as an excuse, just like I can't use me being rejected as an excuse. I move on and I do what I have to do. You men have no shame in your behavior because you are so entitled. You're not stable, and you too loose. You get rejected not because these women are better than you. But because like the same thing when it concerns a man to a woman, you are too freaking easy. You don't show that you are worth fighting for. You don't show you or somebody else worth committing to. And you don't set the bar high enough for yourself. You are too desperate for a woman. And that is unattractive.
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God standards are not about looks, money, and resources. That's your people's problem. Both men and women include it because you're not godly. You're not godly minded and that's why you keep getting rejected do what you do. Because the children of the devil will reject everybody because you're selfish. A woman is come packaged ready and available to be an assist to a man that desires her. But many of you men are not packaged and together yourselves. You asked for far too much.
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Some you men can ignore me all you want. When you don't succeed in getting person to want you, blame yourselves. Because as a woman I gave you a solution, and you discarded it like you could care less. Well then if that's your attitude do not expect a woman or anybody else to care and pity for you. I showed you compassion and you gave me malice.
- Xper 5 Age: 30+1 y
Unfortunate but looks are your first impression to someone, and it is hard to get to the next step if you aren't liking what's in front of you. It's one thing to nitpick, nobody's perfect after all, but there has to be some level of physical attraction, or at least the potential to see more.
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- Anonymous(18-24)+1 y
I used to do online dating. I was bombarded by losers and only dated the best guys who usually were dating loads of other women.
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So attractive men then thanks for confirming my suspicion.
566 opinions shared on Dating topic. Women rate men lower in physical-attractiveness because men don't put as much effort into their physical appearance as women do
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Men don't lather the make-up on so that's a bad excuse.
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@Xoirwinkan If women didn't wear makeup, men would rate women as poorly as women rate men. The point is that women aren't more shallow; men just don't put as much effort into their appearance as women
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You rate the natural beauty of women way too low. A lot of women are pretty without anything on.
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That is absolutely TRUE. I see hundreds of men's profiles a week and most of the photos suck. So why should they be rated higher then SUCK? They shouldn't.
Men's photos are blurry, red eye, far away, sunglasses and hats, burger stuffed in their mouth, drinking at a bar acting stupid, etc etc... Yes so attractive. No wonder they scored bad.
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- Master Age: 53+1 y
So instead of working on yourself, let's spend time trying to convince others that they just need to give up like you. Misery loves company. The Beta mating call for other beta's has commenced.
You are misrepresenting the OKCupid study. If guys don't bother to take decent photos then guess what.. they will not appear very attractive. I look at hundreds of profiles a week. Dark, blurry, far away, red eye, just got done washing the car, burgers in their mouth, etc etc... these are the photos that women are supposed to rate high?
Most good looking guys have really great photos because they have really great self esteem and are willing to invest in some. Funny how that works.
The 1st video does not represent the average dude. It represents a dude who has no STYLE. Cut that fucking hair off already. Stop dressing in over sized clothes that make you look dumpy. I mean come on. That is all for show!
Women are supposed to be attracted to this guy? I don't blame them one bit. Guys need to step up! The only thing that is rigged is men's sensitive beta male psyche that embraces shit like this instead of stepping up!54 Reply- +1 y
Exactly. If guys don't care how they look why should we?
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- uMaster Age: 69+1 y
I don't care what people say in YT videos. In real life, go sit in the mall and watch the couples pass by. Some of them are beautiful, some of them are ugly, and most of then are average. Whatever your studies "prove" the fact is that most women find partners for LTRs, so many of them are settling down with average and even below average guys. That is reality.
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That's a false reality i walked up to many women and been given a stupid reaction why do you keep trying to feed me false bs? I grow up believing confidence is key when in actuality it's a load of garbage. That's like given a wooden vest to soldiers on the battle field and telling them that it will protect them from bullets and artillery rounds
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Last video 7:04 she out right says it.
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If the words of women are like bullets that can inflict a mortal wound upon your psyche, then I suppose we know what the problem is.
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Women are capable of destroy a man 'confidence' period the problem lies in their lies.
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You have made the problem quite patent.
- Master Age: 52+1 y
Attractiveness, even perception of looks, is affected by other factors, so while attractiveness is decisive, it's not all about looks.
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Women bring men to dating sites. More women means more men which means they make more money. Dating sites are in it for the money and no other reason.20 Reply827 opinions shared on Dating topic. Women are probably more attracted to an average guy if he takes care of his body and looks like a Male model, lol. 😂
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So he's not average then is he?
- Xper 5 Age: 37+1 y
Being ugly isn't what dooms you in dating, being insecure does. No one and i mean no one finds that attractive.
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Actually in a video a guy pretends to be insecure and the women still fell for him versus his unattractive counter part so not that's not true at all.
- Xper 7 Age: 52+1 y
Women want to maintain the "BIG LIE" as long as possible... I covered this perfectly already. Women would happily date a convicted child rapist if he was handsome.
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by the way I LOVE the pathetic boys who blame other men for women being shallow. "LOOK WOMEN, I ATTACKED THE OTHER MEN FOR YOU.. PLEASE LIKE ME!!!"
- Anonymous(25-29)+1 y
Because most people are shallow perhaps... or is it just a human nature, aka natural selection?
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It's natural for 90% of men being deemed unattractive? Please i'll stick to the first option.
- Opinion Owner+1 y
Okay, I guess we agree on that :)
- Guru Age: 23 , mho 33%+1 y
Then stop being unattractive. Whatever can't be solved in the gym can be solved with money--which can be earned by working hard. Your entire appearance is nothing but a choice. That's the truth.
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My facial features/Skin color is a choice? That's new and if I gain any money it will be solely for my living purposes and not attractive someone life sucking gold digger.
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Yes, your facial features are a choice, because you could always invest in cosmetic surgery. As for your skin color, no that's not a choice, but I guarantee you your skin color isn't the reason you aren't getting laid.
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Why would I spend that kind of money and that's ridiculous it's not much of a choice if that same surgery cost 90k in USD and you do know that white men are seen as more attractive to the world right? It plays a major role.
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As for the cosmetic surgery: So? Work harder > make more money > buy it.
As for race: Maybe that's true of white girls because everyone tends to prefer their own race. Maybe it's even true for Asian or latina girls, because they are the "middle races" if you will, so depending on region they might look more similar to either white people or black people. This would be especially true if they grew up in a predominately white area, otherwise known as most of the U. S. It's definitely not because "the world" deems white men more attractive (whatever the fuck that means).
Either way, girls of your own race will always be a viable option, and if for some reason, you're completely closed off to dating them, that's your problem and frankly you no longer have any right to complain.
- Master Age: 36+1 y
Looks are not everything
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Studies say otherwise.
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Depends on the girl
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“There are two kinds of untruths: lies and studies.”
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On the last video skip to 7:04 and it comes straight from the horses mouth also these questions were given to women (that remained anonymous) on these dating sites they provided the data so how is it a lie? .
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That’s just one woman’s opinions
When asked if the Pope should participate in the World War II peace conference, Joseph Stalin (the guy who said that quote) said “And how many combat divisions can the Pope field?”
Old Joe may have been an asshole, but he always kept it real.
- Master Age: 38+1 y
maybe the majority of men on okcupid is just ugly xD
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Tinder also have the same results...
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i mean to be honest i kind of don't find that to be "rigged". to me most girls on there aren't attractive either. that's just normal to me, cause most people don't find the majority of people to be attractive.
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That's fine if you want to believe that but there is to much evidence sitting in front of me to be ignored.
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it has nothing to do with believe. guys are just horndogs and swipe based on who they'd fuck. women don't tend to do that. if men would swipe based on whom they are actually genuinely interested in romantically, they would behave very similarly.
- Asker+1 y
Women get horny as well and that doesn't stop them from being picky so I highly doubt men would act in a similar way.
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Women want commitment before sex unlike men. That's why this is highly plausible.
- Asker+1 y
They want comintment from the hottest guy they can get the same hot guy who can get another women with the snap of his fingers? Lol they are quick to open their legs for that type of guy.
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exactly but "the hottes" guy are not very many guys and that's why women find so little men attractive. men just fuck whoever spreads their legs so they like way more girls.
- Xper 4 Age: 41+1 y
So... how's that body positivity movement going?
00 Reply - Guru Age: 28+1 y
I'm dead average and have no problems.
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