average looking guys can have better personalities, be funnier, intelligent, more likeable etc.This is true and myself and my clients are proof of that. The problem is it's only a fraction of what is really going on out there. Most average guys don't have better personalities, have a sense of humor, or are more intelligent.Most average guys don't think they have to improve or even get to that level. They just think because they are a MAN they should be able to have anything they want with no effort. And when that happens to not come true then soak 100% of their energy into MGTOW. Which is fine by me. That is where they belong. Great comment... great detail. Much appreciated!
Annnd rep pill saves the day. Honestly, we need more red pill guys out helping black pill guys.
I don't agree with the men who have the "don't think they have to improve" mindset.
You really make pizza?
Not anymore, but I used to. Right now I make Gyros, Shwarma, and halal food
Love me some good shawarma!
Yeah man, I got all the street foods mastered at this point. I even worked in a taco truck a few years ago haha.
I have always wanted to run a food truck. I once went to Ohio University and they had a bake bean food truck. Basically a hot dog bun with baked beans, bacon, mustard, and cheddar cheese was their staple. The lines were endless. I was like.. baked beans? Really? but it was good.
Food trucks are tough. Originally our taco truck was a hot dog truck, but all the workers in the area were mexican. So I convinced my boss to let me make tacos. It worked out for 3 months, but I quit because the conditions sucked. We didn't have the logistics down. You need a good business model to make it worth it.
Yeah no doubt! Makes sense to me.
Women are much more successful these days and don't really need MEN to be honest. So of course their standards and expectations are much higher now. Average women are not going for average guys. They feel as if they deserve a much higher status guy now and let's face it they can afford to be picky. Women have great careers, great social lives, and certainly aren't going to settle anymore for the average guy.
Average looking women are scoring 9's and 10's. They are successful, they have their own life, their own social life... average looking women today aren't going for the average looking guys. This is why I am trying to shine the light here... men need to step up it's a different era.
To clarify, do you mean that average women are seeking and scoring 9-10 looking men? Or the women themselves score higher because of those factors you mentioned?by the way, when I was single, I preferred average looking guys.
Well both. Average women who have a great career, great social life, who are an all around great catch are YES scoring men that are 9's and 10's. Men who are 9's and 10's don't want HOT, coke addicted, gold digging floosies. It's a myth that they do.
A woman who has a great career and the rest of what @coachTanthony describes is not merely average, even if her looks are. She's above average and that is why she doesn't want to settle for an average guy, who is not average because of his looks.
@Logorithim You ain't wrong. The point I am trying to make is that most men who are average don't see an average woman in looks any higher just because she has a great career and an awesome social life. Only the 9's and 10's can appreciate that. That is what needs to change.
They absolutely should though. I'd rank a woman with a great career much higher than a very attractive woman with poor earnings prospects.
@Logorithim Well you are ahead of the bell curve. Most Men are not. Looks are 99% of what they care about and judge themselves based on just that. It's sad but true.
I don't doubt it. My sister is a doctor married to another doctor so I've seen how this works.
@Logorithim lost in all this is length of time together.I don't look at women with a checklist. And i would steer clear of any woman that would. I'm not a revenue stream, i'm not a social status symbol, i'm not a nanny, and i'm not an accessory. What i am is a man of my word. I don't have all the answers but i never quit searching for them. I'm blue collar raised, and will always be blue collar regardless of my financial situation.These women coach talks about i'm sure they find the guy they're looking for and i'm sure she checks a lot of hos boxes as well but the minute he finds a woman that is a better fit he moves on. And sometimes she does as well.I'm sure these people will have a lot of "successful" relationships. They may even marry a few times. And if that is what we deem as success in this world than i want no part of it. :)
Absolutely not, average women tend to be more humble and intelligent, which are both attractive traits.And not to mention, plenty of smart and beautiful women think of themselves as "average"
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You are at it again 😊 i love that!
You have my full support, young lady! 😀
@Unit1 you're very welcome (still) young lad!
You are one of my favorite young ladies since you mentioned being so privacy oriented and career oriented 😀😀😀
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@Unit1 I disagree but we are not supposed to agree on everything, are we?
@Unit1 I have my issues with the "carnal pleasures" part of it.
They can get in better shape, become a more well-rounded person or improve their financial situation.
Average guys? How about BE BETTER.
BETTER HOW are you suggesting?The most effective way to BE BETTER is making a ton of money!Make no mistake. Comparing yourself to others is an insult.
When guys see this chart they think well I can't reach that level. You don't have too you just have to be better then the guy next to you. Go workout, get a haircut, get some nice clothes, work on your passion and purpose in life. it's not black and white.
I do most of that already.And I did say, that comparing yourself to the others is insulting.But some of them will come around for sure when I have something to offer... materialistically. Just not right now.
Isn't there a bit more opportunities for earning that much money today?You may not realize it, but I kind of see it that way.
@UncleJessieRabbit money is everything.Women will be attracted to men with money like mosquitos.And if you can't find one in one area, then you just move to another place and find one there.
I think its a good thing, since guys who confessed to me I'm sure are after my curves and looks😩 As a average looking, at least you can be sure people are attracted to more than that aspect of yours
That would mean going below the market value. Because average girls nowadays who have a great career, great social life, and are being snagged up by 9's and 10's. Because 9's and 10's don't want the gold digger, coke addicted floosies that everybody thinks they do. Times have changed and women have more power over who they attract more then ever.
I wouldn't consider a girl with a great career and a great social life to be average. Not where I live at least. Average here is more like works in retail and has less than 3 kids xD
Well I would describe what you are saying as below average. Women who have children can still have everything I mentioned and still attract a 9 or a 10. Average guys have their work cut out for them.
I can see what you're saying. I've been pretty lucky in that sense. I'd say I'm pretty average but I've had a lot of right bar on the right night kind of situations. Outside of that it can be a lot of work sometimes to get someone good
You haven't been lucky. If you are successful with women then you are not average. Saying you are average makes the real average guys feel even more stupid. Don't do that. Average guys "like you" who have figured some stuff out should shout it from the roof tops to help others. Most guys who are average wouldn't consider you one.
You ARE WRONG Sir. I don't squabble. Thank you for your comments.
I agree. Problem is average guys think they are entitled to average looking women. Average looking women now command the attention of men who are 9's and 10's. Can't seem to get through to these guys that times have changed. So instead of doing what you say.. they just complain on the internets! As Al Gore would say.
So, basically, average guys need to wake up and realize nobody is entitled to the attention of another person?
@SvanUlf Well that is true for everyone. Average men though have been doing just fine with other average women for decades. Times have changed. Better wake up.
Kinda like how women think they are entitled to get a date just because they put out... Its too funny.
So are male 9's and 10's now dating plain janes and female 9's and 10's left with average guys? 😂 you're drunk go home.
"Problem is average guys think they are entitled to average looking women."Not really "entitled" because the guy is average looking himself. That part is rather dumb.
Because they’re accesible to you, so their value increases artificially for you. That’s simply how it goes.
I like that man. ‘Average is a choice.’
"will probably have a learning disability"You are stereotyping short men. Don't do that.
So what. You are nor be so I can do what I. Guys that to snow. I didn't comment that all short guys have learning disabilities. Most of my guys that I have met in uk. Some of them all have a learning. Thanks being a idiot.
What are a few pictures of what you personally consider "ugly girl"?
Thanks for the video response! Do you not own a shirt? Asking for a friend?
I just checked out your Youtube channel. Very cool you can speak different languages. Where are you if I may ask?
You are lucky you didn't tell me. I was about to hunt you down and give you a couple of T-shirts. Ha
I struggle to get dates too but I am way above average. The two have fucking nothing to do with each other. You decide what kind of man you are.
I know I'm a good person and a good man. But I find the shittiest women...
You attract who you FEEL you are. You feel you are average so your brain makes sure you sabotage yourself with crappy women. Self worth is key to getting everything you want. Women can smell it on you.
Then I dunno what I feel. I mainly attract mormon girls who want to convert me. But the last girl I dated, she just led me on and treated me like garbage because she wasn't over her ex.
Nobody attracts MORMON GIRLS. Pay attention. The best daters do one thing that is better then the losers who can'f figure it out. That is they cut off the fucking idiots with red flags before they can become stories like yours. The girl didn't lead you on... you allowed her in your life too long knowing there were red flags. Take ownership of who you are and your choices. No woman can DO ANYTHING to you unless you let them. Women don't treat men like garbage. It doesn't happen. Men allow women to treat them like garbage. There is a big difference. Get some standards and fucking stick to them and never let this stupid shit happen again. understand?
I was 32 before I learned this lesson. I didn't have the internet to go to. embrace the advice you can get online. It will save you a lot of heart ache.
I will take an average guy and go to a bar and ask 10 women.. would you sleep with him? They all say no. Well then I need to change him. They all say.. no no don't do that.. all he has to do is be himself.. he will be okay. I say awesome.. then will you sleep with him? Do you know anybody that will sleep with him being just himself? They say.. probably not but come on... I am sure there is someone out there that is willing too. oh hell no. This is why I am a dating coach to fight against the status quo of "Just be yourself" because it doesn't work.
I thought we were talking about dating not sleeping with someone you just met.
If women don't want to sleep with the guy then they don't want to date him either.
I disagree. If you go to a bar maybe, but I'm sure a girl would be more willing to sleep with someone after they've dated
You are missing the point. It's okay. Thanks for the comments!
You asked about LOVE not sex. Having sex with someone you just met is not love
Again, you are missing the point. I never said have sex right then and there. Would they ever consider having sex with this guy? Would these women ever DATE the guy? The words doesn't matter. if they say no then I need to change him. He needs to grow and get better. Being yourself isn't always being your best. So telling someone to be themselves is cliche because most times it doesn't work.
you dont gotta be "all that" just be yourself, if a partner can't be ok with that then they're the one
Related to that, I do think some of them have certain disabilities or may be socially weaker in general.
No. The average guy is landing the below average girl thinking she is as just as average as him. She is not. She is lower. The shit has changed... . nobody sees it.
Stop negging me I am not interested in MEN. It's okay if you are dude!
URBAN DICT: Ironically, the type of dude who a girl can spend the rest of her life with. He could be standing right in front of her and she'll overlook him at first because girls have a tendency to fall for broken bad boys. The average guy is most likely to be friend-zoned unless you're Ron from Kim Possible. Props to an average guy who scores a girlfriend!
Well now that is one dumb urban dictionary definition.
So far you have added a ton of value here! LOL
A sane definition for the "average guy" that actually takes into account the meaning of the word average as I see it around here and pretty valid in most of North America. -Around 5'10''~normal body weight~a wage around the average which can be anywhere from 45k to low six figures.~at least some college~his own place.~some car~a bunch of good and bad personality traits that general balance themselves.~40% to 68% of guys are pretty similar to him.Yeah that would be average guy. if those guys are out of luck, well most women can get their average assess and get bent.
Well there you go! Women have the ball in their court. Any man who thinks they are going to attract an average looking woman who has a great career and an awesome social life is MISTAKEN. They need to step up.
That is not true though. The average woman does not have neither a "great career" nor an "awesome social life". The average woman has a moderately satisfying job that in the end earns less than what the average guy gets (The earning pay gap is real). The average women is moderately dissatisfied and moderately depressed due to her moderately misconceived world view that is constantly fueled by social media and excessive exposure to female targeted success porn. The average women has a few friends and gets moderate validation using social media and online dating. The average woman gets a moderate amount of attention and a moderate number of hook ups with average guys and sometimes slightly above average players after which she goes and asks moderately dumb questions on GAG. The average woman is as moderately displeased, moderately insecure and moderately fucked up socially as the average guy.What you are calling "average women" is an extraordinary woman that is not also a model. Not very many of those around.
The earning pay gap is not real. You are wrong. My last 8 bosses spanning over 20 years have been women who made much more then me. So look... lets just agree to disagree here. I don't feel like getting into the weeds with someone who doesn't understand real world. Moderate is not what describes average women these days. Sorry but you are just wrong.
Yes. I think that is a good idea because you clearly appear not to understand the real world or have any sense of its scale or scope.
As someone who frequently dates hot chicks, I feel both of you are right somehow.What I usually find is that these women are both miserable and have quite high standards. On one hand they get very happy just to date someone who isn't not too bad, but rapidly they become unsatisfied about it.In reality I guess what happens is this: you don't fall in love with someone because of being perfect, but most likely because of the time you spend with them.It's not about affinity, it's mostly about familiarity. But people are just too impatient these days, everything is just too fast.
@es20490446e I think you misunderstood my intent a bit. I do not think the average woman is miserable. I think both the average woman and the average guy which make up the majority of people do just pretty fine in most aspects of their life. They all have their good times and their struggles. They are also both bombarded with vast amounts demoralizing negativity just to be sold cheap validation the next. it's good business I guess.
You don't know how bad you are till you are no longer there.
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No thanks. One person's average is another person's beacon of light. Paradigms of existence should not be this simplistic past age, IDK… let's say 32? But if that is where you're operating from, that's cool too. So back to your thing, would girls date "Average?"
Girls who have a great career, awesome social life and is considered average looking will NOT and I REPEAT will not date average guys. Why would they and most of all why should they? They deserve the best of the best.
Your responses are lackluster and boring me. So get lost Squidward! Don't have time for nonsense.
You are a 7/10 in looks. Stop trolling.
Yes they do!
Accept for the fact that even average girls still will choose to get with guys of a higher scale. An average looking guy with average weight still have to choose people in the lower bracket & cannot choose someone equal.
Depends sometime they do, and no duh average looking guys can choose someone in their league. The only thing is that guys are very desperate, so y’all are usually not the ones choosing.
My point was guys usually for the most part are not allowed to choose someone in their league or higher, they have to choose lower, but women can get guys higher or same if they want to.
You aren’t in reality but whatever.