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Do you believe that Men and Women have a Sexual Market Value (SMV) or is it all just pseudoscience? (Page 2)
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If it wasn't true then poor and ugly guys in their 20's would be getting as much pussy as rich and good looking guys and online dating apps wouldn't be dominated by 30 year old single mothers looking for a "good man" who is willing to raise another man's child.
It’s primarily a scare tactic. The red pill likes to take basic ideas, repackage them, and sell them to sucker women to committing to lesser men (such as themselves).
I’m turning 35 soon and STILL wondering where that dang “Wall” is.
SMV is a real thing though.
There’s truth to it. Basically the more attractive you are as a person the more options you have. However the red pill definition of attractive when it comes to both men and women is pretty warped.
MzAsh what’s the “red pill”?
Not every woman is blessed with Good genetics
Meaby u are Thats all
@Petju plenty of women in their 40s have more options than you.
@Aphrodite801 yeyeye
U mad i see that nie STFU
That’s why your hairline is receding at 25 🤣🖕
@Aphrodite801
U so pretty u dont even show ur face hahaha 🤣🖕
The red pill is a group of average to low value men who market themselves as above average and call themselves “alpha.” They have an attitude against free women who don’t stay home and cook and clean. (Aka anti feminists)
Interesting, yes, men who constantly regard to themselves as “alpha” or “beta” are obviously fools.
"They have an attitude against free women who don’t stay home and cook and clean."
Kind of hypocritical considering there are just as much women that have an attitude against men that do not fit the typical archetype of a traditional man. Don't complain about men wanting women to be feminine and adhere to their gender roles if you expect men to be masculine and adhere to their gender roles.
I certainly don’t expect them to. Never wanted a traditional man. She asked me what the red pill is, and I gave her my answer.
"They have an attitude against free women who don’t stay home and cook and clean."
I prefer independent ambitious women I am anti-feminism, so are majority of men. In UK is majority everyone, only 26% of people as a whole support feminism. Only 17% of men in America support feminism. Its a political organization today not an egalitarian one. Nothing to be proud of being a feminist :)
^Feminism is supported by millions of people in the Uk and America. Just cause you’re a bitter no good feminist hater doesn’t mean everyone else is.
@Aphrodite801 I am from UK and not bitter ty :) Want to look at bitterness look at feminists clear to see. I actually posted stats above, only 17% of men support feminism in America. Only 26% of people overall support feminism in UK, it also has been as low as 17%.
And what exactly is grand achievement of feminism? Toxic masculinity? Masnplaining? Cultural appropriation? Male gaze? I mean really how exactly is feminism elevating the lives of women? Lol :)
Yes you’re obviously bitter. I don’t believe your crap stats, bitter men always lie. Feminists have everything to be proud of, starting with who they are. Feminists are literally everywhere in the world. A hater like you can’t change the fact that feminism is good. It’s also growing now more than ever thankfully.
@Aphrodite801 Trust me calling me bitter because you're upset and BITTER because feminism is on decline isn't going to change anything. Again I am awaiting for you to enlighten us what grand achievement should feminists be proud of today or how they are elevating the lives of their fellow women? :)
From what I notice on GAG its mostly girls ranging between age 16-24 that seemed to be strongly attached to feminism. MYTH of gender pay gap is last thing left sustaining feminism, as that myth gets busted it'll be end of feminism.
My point here wasn't merely to just bash feminism. But make a statement in reply to @MzAsh, where she stated "They have an attitude against free women who don’t stay home and cook and clean. (Aka anti feminists)"
My point was I love independent women, I don't desire traditional partner, same for majority of men. But majority of men do not hate our gender hence don't identify as a feminist. Wanting an independent, ambitious partner is NOT in anyway for us synonymous with supporting feminism :)
^ I’m not reading that. I don’t argue with woman haters. Just sit back, be bitter, and continue watching feminism grow 😁 www.marketwatch.com/.../feminism-is-slowly-taking-over-america-2018-08-14-11884534
You prefer independent and ambitious women then there’s no way you’re anti feminist.
your darn hot what ever age you are :D
@Aphrodite801 A YouGov survey finds that 30% of Americans now identify as feminists, compared to 26% in 2016
30%, 30% wowww that's just too much :p :D
Feminism is really just the female equivalent of an r/incels circlejerk.
At its best, it's a bunch of sexually frustrated women blaming their ineptitude on the evil white man.. At it's worst, its a bunch of vicious bullies that harass, dox and send death threats over a twitter post someone made 10 years ago.
Feminism for me extends to our bodily autonomy. Leave abortion rights alone and don’t touch us without our permission (unless I’m married to you). And we’ll all get along just fine.
Are you married?
Yes.
Then you're not on the market, and have no idea what your market value is minus a few glances you might get. Try being single at 35 and see how people respond to you. Spoiler: you won't garner anywhere near the attention of even a 29 year old. The wall is real.
Being off the market doesn’t mean the options still don’t present themselves.
@MzAsh these guys are obviously bitter fools. If Meghan Markle can attract straight royalty in her late 30s than why would other women have a problem attracting regular men?
@Aphrodite801 Megan M. knew how to play the game, which most people don't know how to do... at least as well as her (i. e. being in the right place to meet him, knowing how to talk to him, etc etc). If you girls keep taking her, or "timeless" celebrity women (e. g. J-lo) as your model for women over 30 then you're in for a rude awakening when you hit that number, live up your 20's with reckless abandon, and find the kind of guys you want to settle down w/ not interested.
@mattdzz You sound like a bitter fool. Obviously all women under 30 aren’t attractive. For you to say that shows how damn creepy you are. Plenty of women in their 30s have more options than you. Now that’s a fact.
@Aphrodite801 What do I have to be bitter about? You're probably ugly, and have guys tell you how "smart" you are to get you to hookup NSA (before bailing), which is why you think your dumbass little girl opinion has any credibility. Grow tf up, idiot.
Let me just mention that after rejecting my bio father in her 30s my mother finally decided to settle down and marry at 41. She had plenty of men to choose from. She still does. Actually, she’s broken up with my step father, and is now messing with a man 13 years younger than her. They are getting a divorce soon.
@mattdzz lmao are you still mad that I said I only date hot guys? I know I’m attractive. You shouldn’t be calling anyone ugly with that weird shaped face.
@Aphrodite801 Let's see a pic, ugly?
Eh I’m not going to argue with some bitter dude who will be bald in a few years. Just understand that it’s true that many women 30 and over look way better than you. In fact most men would back me up on this. And also have more options than you. Stay bitter.
@Aphrodite801 That's what I though, you're not only an ugly online troll, you've got about five iq points below a chimp :D
@mattdz last words lmao, your hairline is doing backflips.
@Aphrodite801 last words, I'm sure all those guys would say you're a 4/10, just enough to get them to come out after midnite.
I’m about hit 35 and I’m still fertile Myrtle. Can’t wait to be be able to go off birth control but doctors say it will be a while.
20 year olds are still falling in love and trying to replace my man. Granted, many of them don’t know my age and that I’m married but that’s the point. Take care of yourself, lead an interesting life, and you’ll still have options.
Besides, most men say they want one thing but in reality they take what they can get. A middle aged decent looking woman still has more options than the average middle aged man.
Interesting you’re such a fool that you don’t even realize you’re going against your own bitter theory about SMV. I’m only 17, so shouldn’t I have all the dating power? Dumbass.
You do know what happens to fertility after 35, right?
20 year old guys will fk damn near anything, don't let it get to your head.
And, no.
Every guy will fuck damn near anything. Lol
I'd reluctantly agree.
@MzAsh you didn’t answer my question.
Smv is verifiably real and we all agree on it too.
Just ask yourself, does a tall man with loads of money, many talents and an amazing personality have a better chance finding a quality woman than a short poor dude?
9 times outa 10 he does, his smv is higher. An attractive woman with a greatpersonality has a higher smv than a mean ugly bitch
Saying it isn't real is just nonsense. A) SMV isn't a science. It's a social construct, but even a construct is real. B) SMV just gives a name to something we already do. It was always an observable phenomenon. Someone just bothered to put a label on it.
Ya of course, that's why the older I get the easier my dating life becomes and my mom who is now 60 has an incredibly hard time dating like I did when I was younger, definitely women have a higher value sexuality in teens and 20s but drops when they get older while men get more value the older they get
I don't know if I can call it "science" since I have never seen any research studies in a peer-reviewed journal.
However, I got to experience that in my life as I grew older, and more financially independent.
Its absolutely real. We see it play out all the time. Now I think, with all things, their are certain parameters and deviations of course, but it does exist.
care to elaborate on what that term actually means?
http://en.wikimannia.org/Sexual_market_value
While some of it makes sense, especially in the younger ages of boys and girls, but of course, it's pseudoscience". It's all relative to the ages of those looking for love. The value of any human is relative to those in the market.
Sorry im a bit throw off with the level part? if you could elborate a bit more.
The theory that as women enter their 30s and 40s they become less wanted by men but as men enter our 30s and 40s we become better looking and dating gets better for us. I agree. My dating and sex life has gotten MUCH better in my 30s while a lot of women I know who are in their 30s and 40s are struggle to find 'good men' and say that they got more attention in their 20s.
I wouldn't worry i love sex with all ages older women are more experienced less immature and still sexy as hell if they look after themselves its the ones that let them selves go that loose out.
ye younger girls are fitter and tighter but an older woman thats looked after herself is just as appealing
@ronaldo75
OHH ok thanks for explaining that because I truly did miss the boat on this one.
your welcome
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It exists yes
It has to exist since people have preferences
How does a hot girl have a million options while one that isn’t has almost none
There is definitely a market value on sex or there wouldn't be prostitution or porn both of which dominated with women as the muse.
Not sure. Based off of my experience, I think it might be real.
@kas19
whats your experience?
It's self-evidently true.
Why do you think Western men flock to countries like Thailand and the Philippines?
Because they don't have a chance in hell with women at home, but can date beautiful women there.
It's veiled in some of the rhetoric of pseudoscience, but I think it just happens to be *accurate* pseudoscience.
Are we products to sell? Man you really ask stupid questions.
YES. You are on clearance though.
Well I can assure, no one is going to want to buy a 48 year old bald man. That’s for sure.
Oh shoot, if we are talking about being able to get sex then yes women 100% lead in that.
Sure.
People will chase after the hot ones.
They always did.
However, something interesting is that people will still cheat on the hot ones too appearantly.
So their value only lasts so long.
Its opinion. Whichever type the person prefers (e. g. Thicker, thin, athletic, short, tall, blond, black, Asian, etc) will rate it higher.
There is a SMV but it's definitely not a fixed science with any definite quantitative meaning. There are just very broadly defined degrees of desirability all around.
There's levels to this game Coach!
I know that... shhhhhh
Oh, it's real alright. Everybody judges. AKA: discernment.