Girls can hit the wall as early as 20 or as late as 45. It simply depends on the quality of the girl. And whether they choose to stay kidless. If they have a kid, that's automatic wall they've hit, no matter HOW old they are.
There IS no wall. This picture has Alycia Debnam-Carey and Kim Dickens from Fear The Walking Dead, and although guys lust over Alycia like crazy, Kim Dickens is STILL a pretty hot MILF.
Well a woman's options do diminish, and they aren't gonna get any prettier. but that doesn't mean women will be ugly or that no one will want them haha, thats stupid. just be aware that if you want a family and kids, you might want to search for a husband a little bit earlier than 30.
My aunt had twin boy and girl at 49 with her second marriage to a man 4 years younger than her. What if you were in college? What if you needed to make money for your family? ... So many reasons!
I understand why people prolong marriage and pregnancy
I am not saying a wall exists. I am saying options diminish the older you get. And it's preferable that you look for a suitable person earlier rather than later.
Not that it's impossible or that people don't
My dad was 58 years old when I was born and my mom was 33 😂 trust me I get it. We are speaking in generalities here.
I know I was much prettier when I was younger but being my age right now, since guys like to rate women on their worth based on their age and appearance as if they have all the right to do so, only men can say if I hit the wall or not. But I know for my ladies out there, we are all beautiful and worthy regardless of age.
Not necessarily at 30, but at some age, yes. Women hit the wall and their sexual market value decreases significantly.
That's not to say they cannot look good, but they cannot compete with the younger women (25ish) on the dating market when it comes to attractiveness to potential male mates.
For one, men dont care about a woman's success. So that is irrelevant. Second, yes women usually go down hill after 30 but if you started out looking like a supermodel you dont just wake up one morning looking like a gremlin. Looks fade over time, that's just how life works but that doesn't mean you are ugly
I am unclear what 'Wall' women hit after 30. I am going to assume that from reading this claptrap, that you come from a more 'tradtion' based culture that imposes these asinine ideas on people. I call bullsh! t. F*ck that sh! t! The 'Finest Women' I know are ALL over 30!
Celebrities =/= You Make-up Your anecdotes are irrelevant to the overall observable trend (how fat is he?) Men standards a much lower than women's The Wall refers to one's ability to attract a high value male, not just ANY male.
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Women get BETTER once they hit 30. Unfortunately, most 20 yr olds might still have flawless skin and great bodies, but they're often terrible in bed. But a 30 yr old woman in good shape has it all going on, and she's just starting to hit her sexual peak !!
"might still have flawless skin and great bodies, but they're often terrible in bed" lol, they may look hot and sexy but in bed its just awkward with them doing whatever they saw on pornhub 😂
@dimetridrossos You're 16 ... have you ever BEEN with a 20 yr old or older girl? Or a girl at all, around your age? They couldn't have been very good either.
I never said I had sex before, I just imagine thats what you meant by "they aren't any good in bed". Also, you never know how old someone is on here, I could be 50 for all you know but my account says I'm 16. Im not, but you never know. One guys account said they were 28 but they acted like they were 12, they just either act 12 or they are actually 12 and they are lying.
@dimetridrossos Sure you can lie about your age. I'm really 90 :) But why would you lie and put 16 ? How many people take a 16 year old seriously? Anyway, thanks for the response !!
@dimetridrossos Just reminded me of Chris Rock's No Sex In The Champaigne Room- ... "If a woman tells you she's 20, and looks 16, she's 12 If she tells you she's 26, and looks 26, she's Damn Near 40!
Uh, you're off by about 10 years - it's forty. And the reason is because by then a woman is starting to wrinkle and sag, and now has to compete with much younger women in the dating pool for the same men. Worse, all of the really great guys have been snapped up and married off by women much more adept and wooing a man. All that are left are the rejects, the nerds, the jokers, and the divorcees with kids in tow. My advice for young women: Don't squander your youth (and beauty).
@SueAnon84 - The truth is hard for some. ;) And for many, the simple fact that women age more rapidly than men is so off-putting they deny it. It has radically changed the relationship dynamic in my own marriage. At 55 years she is no longer the brunette bombshell I met when she was 27. Go figure. I still love her the same, and she is thankful, but she no longer carries the power in our relationship that she once did, no much more reliant on my loyalty than ever before. The cadre of true options have literally flip-flopped.
" women age more rapidly than men" No offense but I feel that's more of an individual thing, instead of a gender thing. I have seen men have a lot of wrinkles already by that age! My ex had crows feet at 40 when I dated him but that's because he smoked and problem had some other problems. I think it also depends on what you've been through in life (trauma, abuse, ptsd, etc.) You really have to take care of your body if you want to age well, both in and out! I also think genetics has a big impact on it! I am 35 but because I have a babyface and I am petite Asian woman, they think I am younger than my actual age. I hate it though becuase sometimes I don't get taken seriously and I am prone to be physically assaulted by a bullies, especially if the opportunity ever arised! And sadly it had and that is how I know!
@SueAnon84 You're trying to justify the exceptions to the rule, rather than accept the generality of it. Men age like fine wine - even a few wrinkle or some gray hairs are distinguished. Women age more like milk. :)
I'm not! Like someone said on here it depends on the race and I believe that to be true! Also like I said, what they have been through in their life like abuse, trauma, pstd, etc!
My mom looks about ten years younger than my dad and both are filipino/asian! But if I told you that I'd be proving your point so I am not going to use them as an example!
Umm, I didn't miss the point. Honestly, now I think you are just being sexist! Not mad but it's a personal bias that you have for some reason! Your wife and my mother are two different people! Heck, everyone is different! But anyway... Generalizing is generalizing. There's always exceptions to the rules but what you state ISN'T a cemented rule! Like I said, it's a personal bias that you have.
@SueAnon84 - You're arguing your own anecdotals, I'm explaining generalities that are generally overlooked. Oh well. Yes, you completely missed the point. Have fun on GAG.
"I'm explaining generalities that are generally overlooked" I was really trying to understand how your statement on how women age worse than men when that's simply not true! Aging like wine vs. milk is an individual thing not a gender thing! ... And yes G@G is fun but boring sometimes.
No one said there weren't any exceptions. There are some women in their 40's that I find to be extremely attractive, but it's mostly their personality. However, I'm not going to pretend that the 20 year olds aren't more attractive physically. This is despite the fact that the women in their 40's are pretty... but most of them use a lot of makeup.
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Your comment about men is missing a point. A mans attractiveness is not primarily looks driven, it's success driven.
Pulimuli i think it’s because these men were rejected so many times in their 20’s that they hope that women will become ugly on their 30’s birthday and that it will be a kind of karmic revenge for them
For some its like you said but for most its a comforting lie they tell themselves. They cannot accept the fact that a mans looks matter a lot because they cannot change the way they look so they tell themselves what matters is money because money can be aquired
Oh not only that. They also reinforce they lié by claiming how much hot attractive men are assholes and cheaters while Fidelity doesn’t play a role in faithfulness. I have even saw more average and below average men been cheaters than the good looking ones. And yet ugly men claim how attractive men are cheaters just to makes the women avoiding them. And they say that women are the sneakiest lmao
I know women are visual creatures. But even the decline in marriage rates are blamed on the lack of ''economically attractive men'' (study, published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, analysed data collected on recent marriages between 2007-2012 and 2013-2017).
So yes a woman will look for attractive men, but I think the primary motivation is about how well they will provide, protect and hold together a family. Then looks secondary.
Now if you're just talking about casual sex or hookups, then sure, looks may well be primary.
"So yes a woman will look for attractive men, but I think the primary motivation is about how well they will provide, protect and hold together a family. Then looks secondary."
I don't want to mate with an ugly old man! Doesn't get me wet! I currently work and make my own money, I don't need his! Should be equal in relationships is my conclusion!
Yes they do because a woman's appeal is in her youthful looks. That why older women be tryna make themselves look younger. After 30 they start to no longer look youthful and are used goods. An older sucessful man can still attract a younger pretty woman in her twenties because women are more likely to date older men than vice versa. Dont like it. Tough.
No. I think it's more like 40 plus or just if you abused your body! Or you've been through hell and back lol! Like trauma or other external/internal problems!
Just because someone gave me a thumbs down doesn't mean it's not true! I have seen a lot of 30 year old women that look like they are still in their 20s! Oh well denial is not a river in Egypt!
Its not about looks. Wtf. If a 35 year old woman was a virgin and women didn't lose their fertility there would be no wall. Idgaf how hot a 35 year old is, she can't give me the flexibility in family planning a 20 year old can plus she's most likely fucked way more dudes by 35 than the 20 year old. Its not about looks at all.
Definitely NOT at 30. No way. Someone do fall into a hole after 30 but not all. What I say is that after 30 there is a drop-off in the amount of beautiful women that really knock you out when you look at them. The girl I have a crush on now is 29 and looks around 24/25. So at 30 I'm sure she'll still be cute.
I don't believe in this. Just as guys are capable of doing things so are women. They can, if they wanted marry the guy of their dreams no matter the age. The level of maturity and sensibility matters because you want someone for marriage only when you truly know he/she is capable of making the tough but right decision.
Yes. Your aunt is the exception, not the rule and she's from a prior generation, not the generation now. Women have continually diminished their homemakers skills and reduced their own sexual market value with every new generation. The younger the generation, the lower her worth. The wall is a concept for the younger generations, not the older ones who actually valued hearth and family.
TBH i feel women more attractive in her 30's or above. Probably because they look more mature, sober. It is about my choice and my opinion i am sharing. To bang some one is really a different story i guess. Any ways its just my pov
Naomi is rather ugly without makeup and her fake hair. South Koreans use tons of plastic surgery. The average South Korean woman doesn't look like the stuff in Kpop videos.
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Girls can hit the wall as early as 20 or as late as 45. It simply depends on the quality of the girl. And whether they choose to stay kidless. If they have a kid, that's automatic wall they've hit, no matter HOW old they are.
Thirty has nothing to do with it.
At around thirty, reproduction becomes much much riskier for a woman, so it actually has a lot to do with it.
@Chris4744 ... Um. What? The question isn't about having kids-- it's about whether a particular girl is attractive or not.
Most men aren’t attracted to women who can’t have kids.
@Chris4744 I... still am not sure of the point you're trying to make.
There IS no wall. This picture has Alycia Debnam-Carey and Kim Dickens from Fear The Walking Dead, and although guys lust over Alycia like crazy, Kim Dickens is STILL a pretty hot MILF.
Well a woman's options do diminish, and they aren't gonna get any prettier.
but that doesn't mean women will be ugly or that no one will want them haha, thats stupid. just be aware that if you want a family and kids, you might want to search for a husband a little bit earlier than 30.
My aunt had twin boy and girl at 49 with her second marriage to a man 4 years younger than her.
What if you were in college?
What if you needed to make money for your family?
... So many reasons!
I understand why people prolong marriage and pregnancy
I am not saying a wall exists. I am saying options diminish the older you get.
And it's preferable that you look for a suitable person earlier rather than later.
Not that it's impossible or that people don't
My dad was 58 years old when I was born and my mom was 33 😂 trust me I get it. We are speaking in generalities here.
I know I was much prettier when I was younger but being my age right now, since guys like to rate women on their worth based on their age and appearance as if they have all the right to do so, only men can say if I hit the wall or not. But I know for my ladies out there, we are all beautiful and worthy regardless of age.
Not necessarily at 30, but at some age, yes. Women hit the wall and their sexual market value decreases significantly.
That's not to say they cannot look good, but they cannot compete with the younger women (25ish) on the dating market when it comes to attractiveness to potential male mates.
For one, men dont care about a woman's success. So that is irrelevant.
Second, yes women usually go down hill after 30 but if you started out looking like a supermodel you dont just wake up one morning looking like a gremlin. Looks fade over time, that's just how life works but that doesn't mean you are ugly
I am unclear what 'Wall' women hit after 30. I am going to assume that from reading this claptrap, that you come from a more 'tradtion' based culture that imposes these asinine ideas on people. I call bullsh! t. F*ck that sh! t!
The 'Finest Women' I know are ALL over 30!
Celebrities =/= You
Make-up
Your anecdotes are irrelevant to the overall observable trend (how fat is he?)
Men standards a much lower than women's
The Wall refers to one's ability to attract a high value male, not just ANY male.
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Women get BETTER once they hit 30. Unfortunately, most 20 yr olds might still have flawless skin and great bodies, but they're often terrible in bed. But a 30 yr old woman in good shape has it all going on, and she's just starting to hit her sexual peak !!
"might still have flawless skin and great bodies, but they're often terrible in bed" lol, they may look hot and sexy but in bed its just awkward with them doing whatever they saw on pornhub 😂
@dimetridrossos You're 16 ... have you ever BEEN with a 20 yr old or older girl? Or a girl at all, around your age? They couldn't have been very good either.
I never said I had sex before, I just imagine thats what you meant by "they aren't any good in bed". Also, you never know how old someone is on here, I could be 50 for all you know but my account says I'm 16. Im not, but you never know. One guys account said they were 28 but they acted like they were 12, they just either act 12 or they are actually 12 and they are lying.
@dimetridrossos Sure you can lie about your age. I'm really 90 :) But why would you lie and put 16 ? How many people take a 16 year old seriously? Anyway, thanks for the response !!
@dimetridrossos Just reminded me of Chris Rock's No Sex In The Champaigne Room- ...
"If a woman tells you she's 20, and looks 16, she's 12
If she tells you she's 26, and looks 26, she's Damn Near 40!
Take off that silly ass hat"
@TheMadAsshatter85 lol
Uh, you're off by about 10 years - it's forty. And the reason is because by then a woman is starting to wrinkle and sag, and now has to compete with much younger women in the dating pool for the same men.
Worse, all of the really great guys have been snapped up and married off by women much more adept and wooing a man. All that are left are the rejects, the nerds, the jokers, and the divorcees with kids in tow.
My advice for young women: Don't squander your youth (and beauty).
This is so spot on I don't know why you got down voted lmao! That's crazy!
@SueAnon84 - The truth is hard for some. ;)
And for many, the simple fact that women age more rapidly than men is so off-putting they deny it.
It has radically changed the relationship dynamic in my own marriage. At 55 years she is no longer the brunette bombshell I met when she was 27. Go figure. I still love her the same, and she is thankful, but she no longer carries the power in our relationship that she once did, no much more reliant on my loyalty than ever before. The cadre of true options have literally flip-flopped.
*... now much more...
Not 'no much'...
" women age more rapidly than men" No offense but I feel that's more of an individual thing, instead of a gender thing. I have seen men have a lot of wrinkles already by that age! My ex had crows feet at 40 when I dated him but that's because he smoked and problem had some other problems. I think it also depends on what you've been through in life (trauma, abuse, ptsd, etc.) You really have to take care of your body if you want to age well, both in and out! I also think genetics has a big impact on it! I am 35 but because I have a babyface and I am petite Asian woman, they think I am younger than my actual age. I hate it though becuase sometimes I don't get taken seriously and I am prone to be physically assaulted by a bullies, especially if the opportunity ever arised! And sadly it had and that is how I know!
@SueAnon84 You're trying to justify the exceptions to the rule, rather than accept the generality of it.
Men age like fine wine - even a few wrinkle or some gray hairs are distinguished. Women age more like milk. :)
I'm not! Like someone said on here it depends on the race and I believe that to be true! Also like I said, what they have been through in their life like abuse, trauma, pstd, etc!
My mom looks about ten years younger than my dad and both are filipino/asian! But if I told you that I'd be proving your point so I am not going to use them as an example!
oh and both are the same age. My mom is 66 and my dad is 67.
@SueAnon84 - Seems like you missed the whole point. Oh well.
Umm, I didn't miss the point. Honestly, now I think you are just being sexist! Not mad but it's a personal bias that you have for some reason! Your wife and my mother are two different people! Heck, everyone is different! But anyway... Generalizing is generalizing. There's always exceptions to the rules but what you state ISN'T a cemented rule! Like I said, it's a personal bias that you have.
@SueAnon84 - You're arguing your own anecdotals, I'm explaining generalities that are generally overlooked. Oh well. Yes, you completely missed the point.
Have fun on GAG.
"I'm explaining generalities that are generally overlooked" I was really trying to understand how your statement on how women age worse than men when that's simply not true! Aging like wine vs. milk is an individual thing not a gender thing! ... And yes G@G is fun but boring sometimes.
No one said there weren't any exceptions. There are some women in their 40's that I find to be extremely attractive, but it's mostly their personality. However, I'm not going to pretend that the 20 year olds aren't more attractive physically. This is despite the fact that the women in their 40's are pretty... but most of them use a lot of makeup.
Your comment about men is missing a point. A mans attractiveness is not primarily looks driven, it's success driven.
Women are also visual creatures. And the men I talked about are more successful despite being younger and even better looking than their wives
A mans attractiveness Is primarily looks driven though. Its hilarious how many men lie to themselves about this
Pulimuli i think it’s because these men were rejected so many times in their 20’s that they hope that women will become ugly on their 30’s birthday and that it will be a kind of karmic revenge for them
For some its like you said but for most its a comforting lie they tell themselves. They cannot accept the fact that a mans looks matter a lot because they cannot change the way they look so they tell themselves what matters is money because money can be aquired
Oh not only that. They also reinforce they lié by claiming how much hot attractive men are assholes and cheaters while Fidelity doesn’t play a role in faithfulness. I have even saw more average and below average men been cheaters than the good looking ones. And yet ugly men claim how attractive men are cheaters just to makes the women avoiding them. And they say that women are the sneakiest lmao
*fidelity doesn’t play a role in look
I know women are visual creatures. But even the decline in marriage rates are blamed on the lack of ''economically attractive men'' (study, published in the Journal of Marriage and Family, analysed data collected on recent marriages between 2007-2012 and 2013-2017).
So yes a woman will look for attractive men, but I think the primary motivation is about how well they will provide, protect and hold together a family. Then looks secondary.
Now if you're just talking about casual sex or hookups, then sure, looks may well be primary.
You are right in that regard
When deciding to start a family looks matter less than for casual relationships or hookups
"So yes a woman will look for attractive men, but I think the primary motivation is about how well they will provide, protect and hold together a family. Then looks secondary."
I don't want to mate with an ugly old man! Doesn't get me wet!
I currently work and make my own money, I don't need his!
Should be equal in relationships is my conclusion!
Yes they do because a woman's appeal is in her youthful looks. That why older women be tryna make themselves look younger. After 30 they start to no longer look youthful and are used goods. An older sucessful man can still attract a younger pretty woman in her twenties because women are more likely to date older men than vice versa. Dont like it. Tough.
Sad that a woman's worth is as good as her looks... That's what I read.
No. I think it's more like 40 plus or just if you abused your body! Or you've been through hell and back lol! Like trauma or other external/internal problems!
Just because someone gave me a thumbs down doesn't mean it's not true! I have seen a lot of 30 year old women that look like they are still in their 20s! Oh well denial is not a river in Egypt!
Its not about looks. Wtf. If a 35 year old woman was a virgin and women didn't lose their fertility there would be no wall. Idgaf how hot a 35 year old is, she can't give me the flexibility in family planning a 20 year old can plus she's most likely fucked way more dudes by 35 than the 20 year old. Its not about looks at all.
Definitely NOT at 30. No way. Someone do fall into a hole after 30 but not all. What I say is that after 30 there is a drop-off in the amount of beautiful women that really knock you out when you look at them. The girl I have a crush on now is 29 and looks around 24/25. So at 30 I'm sure she'll still be cute.
Yes, they do. Not worth the effort guys. I will make the supreme sacrifice and date these women so you guys don't feel compelled to do so. lol.
Whew. For a second there, you had me scared, Liam. But, good joke.
@AmandaYVR Looks like three people took it seriously. lol
Yep. Probably didn't think, just reacted.
I don't believe in this.
Just as guys are capable of doing things so are women. They can, if they wanted marry the guy of their dreams no matter the age.
The level of maturity and sensibility matters because you want someone for marriage only when you truly know he/she is capable of making the tough but right decision.
Yes. Your aunt is the exception, not the rule and she's from a prior generation, not the generation now. Women have continually diminished their homemakers skills and reduced their own sexual market value with every new generation. The younger the generation, the lower her worth. The wall is a concept for the younger generations, not the older ones who actually valued hearth and family.
TBH i feel women more attractive in her 30's or above. Probably because they look more mature, sober. It is about my choice and my opinion i am sharing. To bang some one is really a different story i guess. Any ways its just my pov
No depends on genes diet lifestyle and race.
1 Korean actress Kim so hyeon: turning 39
2. Naomi Campbell: 49
Naomi is rather ugly without makeup and her fake hair. South Koreans use tons of plastic surgery. The average South Korean woman doesn't look like the stuff in Kpop videos.
@Jennifer_32 I am South Korean. Many people thought my mom was 20 or 30 when she was like 60. Many other koreans get the same comments.