Do women really "hit the wall" at 30?

[Apple1996]

For example she looks no different 20 to 30

I've heard a lot of men especially online saying this type of bs like women hit the wall/expire at 30 but it just doesn't seem to be true. From what I've seen most women are just starting their glow up at 25-30 then actually peak in their 40s.

Like for me personally I'm not even near my glow up stage yet but I have gotten more attractive every year. Thinking I'll probably get my glow at like 35 then peak much later on into my 40s.

The whole hit the wall at 30 thing just seems like a ridiculous myth that insecure men made up

Yes they hit the wall

No 30 is still young

[OpenClose]

I don't think age itself is the thing here. It's definitely more in how you take care of yourself.

In the US, it seems to be common that around 30, people really let themselves go in terms of weight. I feel like I'm turned of quicker than most by this. Honestly I've tried to date 40-year-old friends of my dad's who were fit more so than girls my own age if they had let themselves go. Hate to say it and wish I could change it.

With white women in particular, you can tell which ones hit the tanning bed in their teens and 20's and which ones didn't. The ones who tanned look 45 at 30. The ones who didn't still look pretty good. The ones who seem to be insecure at the beach because "they'll blind everyone" look quite a bit younger.

I don't know if "black don't crack" is racist now, but it's true. My saxophone instructor and his mom were at a concert together. He was 30, she was 50. He said at almost every concert his mom attends, he hears "I didn't know you had a sister!" He doesn't. That's his mom. She looks like his younger sister.

[ManOnFire]

No, that stuff is garbage. I hear guys saying that all the time, mostly the ones who identify as MGTOW or Red Pill. I think those guys only say and believe that stuff because they're upset that they're not having success with any women, so they need to convince younand me that a woman’s value at 30 has declined. It is utter bullshit.

I know a ton of women in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s having a lot of sex, dating, or even getting married. Never been a subscriber to that "hitting the wall" philosophy.

[420Rachel]

What does "hitting the wall" even mean? This is something I'm still confused on. Do they mean that women stop reproducing at 30? Do they mean they start looking old at 30? Because this statements simply just aren't true. I'm my mom's oldest child and she gave birth to me at 37, and then had my brother two years later. My neighbor had her son at age 41! And at the OB clinic I see plenty of "older" mothers. As far as attractiveness goes, I myself am 26, fixing to turn 27 in November and I get regularly pegged for being much younger. I've had several people mistake me for being 18-19. Our reproductive health and overall appearances ultimately come down to genetics, various medical conditions, and how well we take care of and maintain our bodies. There are many variables and saying that all women "hit the wall" at 30 simply just isn't a true statement. My mom is in her 60s and she looks about 20 years younger than her actual age. You can't judge a person's health or appearance by age alone.

[420Rachel]

*these not this

[Apple1996]

I have no idea what hitting the wall means. I always assumed it meant looking old

[TonightYouu]

Hitting the wall is what women who don’t have a secure relationship and family by a certain age you have hit the wall when you’re trying to date like you are still 19 but your body and looks have decreased making dating much harder than it would’ve been if you dated more serious during your best years @Subarugirl I don’t like her but I love that she married while she still has her best years

[420Rachel]

My mom didn't meet my dad until she was in her 30s. So she had already "hit the wall" when she met him. They've been married ever since. Looks are only skin deep. That's not what makes a relationship last. Your way of thinking makes people insecure and worry that their partners won't love them still after they've aged. There's no need to rush to find a partner. The right one will come when they come.

[420Rachel]

And rushing into relationships is what makes them fall apart before you really get to know someone. My momma has always told me to date for at least two or three years before deciding to marry.

[TonightYouu]

How well do you need to know someone? People from older generations didn’t date like that they’d be together for a few months then get married people in our generation can date for years only for it to go nowhere

[TonightYouu]

Its about being beyond your prime 30 isn’t the wall at 30 the wall is on the horizon you are reaching geriatric territory

[420Rachel]

Everyone is different and no two people have the same experiences. Life is full of variables and you can't expect everything to go smoothly. Yes some people get married quickly while others wait. You've never known someone who got married, believing their partner to be a good and genuine person, only for their partner to start showing their true colors after marriage? I know a few people this has happened to. Life isn't rainbows and butterflies and you can't expect everything to go perfectly. Sure I could date a guy for a few months, think he's a great guy and a good marriage partner, only for him to suddenly become abusive after marriage. They think that now that you're married to them, they can show you who they really are and control you. This actually happened to a girl I worked with. She dated a man for a few months, thought he was a great guy, only for him to become super possessive and controlling after she married him. She divorced him not too long after he started trying to control her. You never know someone's true intentions. Love is absolutely trial and error.

[TonightYouu]

In this scenario it’s not subjective hitting the wall has to do with your biological clock

Try to eat the same foods you ate at 18 at 30 and let me know how that goes ( you’ll be as big as a whale ) your metabolism is too slow this has nothing to do with variables or opinions it’s time and biology

[TonightYouu]

We are more alike than anything in the sense that time affects us all but men get away with it because we don’t hit our financial prime until middle age

[420Rachel]

That's when you change your diet lol. Although people should be trying to eat a healthy diet anyway. And even at 30 not everyone's metabolism is the same. I see both thin and large patients of all ages. And your biological clock doesn't really run out until you hit menopause. As I mentioned my neighbor had her baby at 41 and I see plenty of women in their 30s and 40s having babies. And not all women can even have babies and some have a very hard time conceiving due to medical issues. Do we just count them out? Lol

[420Rachel]

So you think a man is only worth how much money he makes?

[TonightYouu]

No but outliers don’t set the standards for the rest of the general population even if it’s possible most gynecologist don’t recommend carrying a child over 40 geriatric pregnancy cost more and your child is more likely to come out with a disability or deformed
You women really need to stop encouraging geriatrics to have children you are poisoning the gene pool a woman should have all the children she wants to have before 35

[TonightYouu]

would you get your life savings on one lottery ticket?
Its possible you could win like a less than 1% chance but you COULD do it would you take that risk? NO!

[TonightYouu]

And are you saying that having a lot of money doesn’t make a man more attractive and increases his options

[420Rachel]

That's between a woman and her doctor. If an older woman wants to have a baby and the pregnancy is monitored by her doctor then she should be able to have that baby. Me and my brother came out just fine and so did my neighbor's kid. You don't make the rules now, do you?

And not to me personally. I don't care if he's a damn millionaire, if he treats me like shit, I don't want any part of it. Maybe some golddiggers out there don't mind having an empty, shallow relationship, but I want more. I don't date for money, I'll be making my own money when I finish college. Just gotta finish up this last semester. 😎

[TonightYouu]

Congratulations 🍾🎉 😆 I’m actually going back to school in March

No i don’t make the rules nature does in the wild animals don’t get doctors they can’t freeze their eggs they have to get in during their best years you know how many dogs would be in the world if bitches said “ Well I’m just focusing on my career right now” there’d be one because if her old ass tried to have a baby past expiration date she will die”

[TonightYouu]

And would you be okay with Taco Bell guy miss I don’t care if a guy is a millionaire
https://youtu.be/1BVH_lY3vro

[420Rachel]

Well I'm gonna state the obvious here, we aren't animals. 😂

Uhhh no. 😂 That guy would be goooone. And I wouldn't be paying for 100 DAMN TACOS. LIKE NO, SORRY!!! There's plenty of both poor guys and rich guys who ain't no good.

[420Rachel]

Well technically we are animals but you know what I mean.

[TonightYouu]

You mean “IM RIGHT” now say that to me I am a man I absolutely need to here it

[420Rachel]

Lmao. There's got to be a happy medium. I'm not gonna support some loser that doesn't put any effort in or some rich guy that just wants me as a "trophy wife" or whatever. I want someone who genuinely likes me for me and vice versa, and who wants to put in as much effort and energy as I do. I want a CONNECTION!!! Like, we feel it in our souls or some shit. 😭

[TonightYouu]

Settle down 🤣 you doing too much 💀

[420Rachel]

I tend to 🥲

[Subarugirl]

@TonightYouu wow objectify much? Jesus Christ I hope you never get a girlfriend until you grow up and start treating others like humanbeings instead of objects that exist for your pleasure

[TonightYouu]

@Subarugirl stop instigating and take the compliment
Also stop pretending every woman is above objectification like you’ve never met a skank slut or dingy bimbo

[Subarugirl]

@TonightYouu A back handed compliment is not a compliment, and being objectified by you certainly is not a compliment. NO ONE should be be or deserves to be objectified. Shame on you, your parents should have raised you better.

[TonightYouu]

@Subarugirl first off check your privilege everyone doesn’t get parents
Second that’s not a backhanded compliment saying I love that you got married young a backhanded compliment would be saying I’m surprised you managed to get married

[Subarugirl]

@TonightYouu Then your guardians should have done a better job, your "compliment" was demeaning and objectifying, it wasn't a compliment.

[TonightYouu]

@Subarugirl i don’t really see how it was but I regret the miscommunication
And again check your privilege some people grow up in the streets without parents or guardians

[Subarugirl]

@TonightYouu Of course some do but Im not referring to everyone, im referring specifically to you

[TonightYouu]

@Subarugirl so am i

[Subarugirl]

@TonightYouu If you were a minor in the united states you had a legal guardian, are you trying to say that you didn;t?

[TonightYouu]

@Subarugirl JOKER JOKER JOKER

[BlueScorpio]

a lot hurt men keep repeating this as way to et back at women who have hurt them. There's plenty of women that are capable of starting a family in their late 20s to early 30s. This idea that we all shrivel up and die downstairs as soon as we hit 30 isn't necessarily true. Now yes as we continue to get older it becomes harder to conceive, the but every woman is different. Some women will have fertility issues through their entire life and some won't. Do I recommend trying to have baby in in your late 50s to 60? No, cause around that time menopause creeps in. If it was true that women immediately hit the wall at 30, then I wouldn't be 6 months pregnant and my coworker wouldn't of just had her baby at 36

[Pinay_ako]

I used to think 30 was old when I was a teenager 😂. Now I’m two weeks to 40, I don’t feel old at all. So jokes on you, 14 yo me! 😂

You can be 20 and hit the wall early. That depends on you. Celebrities are an unfair example to use. They have money, doctors, trainers to keep them looking young.

[Xtendable]

You don’t look old either.

[Pinay_ako]

@Xtendable 🥰 thanks m

[Jamie05rhs]

@Pinay_ako You're one of the best-looking 40-year-olds I've ever seen.

[Pinay_ako]

@Jamie05rhs 🥰 really? 🥹🥹🥹🥹 thanks Jamie

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes, really!
And you're welcome!

[MrOracle]

Yes, it's true - but you can't post a pic of an absolutely exceptionally wealthy, healthy, beautiful woman and pretend that this is representative of the average woman. Taylor Swift is a 9+/10 - top 5% at the very least. She's going to get a few more years that most. Her fame, beauty, celebrity, and wealth gives her huge advantages over the average woman.

BUT... even Swift has to deal with biology. Her face and body may remain attractive longer than average, but her womb is still running out of time, and at 30, she has only 10% of the eggs she was born with. Even though there are fewer people choosing to have children today, that doesn't change the fact that the men who COMMIT and choose to MARRY overwhelmingly choose to do that because they want CHILDREN. Yes, plenty of men don't want children, but the vast majority of those men also don't want to marry or commit to a serious relationship today. The men willing to provide the commitment that women (especially once they hit their 30s) WANT, only want to provide that to women who can bear them children. And starting at 30, that becomes increasingly difficult, and often extremely expensive. Fertility treatments are very expensive and not by any means guaranteed.

Let's also be clear: no one is saying that a woman's SMV falls to zero on her 30th birthday. That's not how it works. Instead, it's more like the girl, since she was 15, has been used to having 10 credit cards in her purse that someone always pays off every month, so she can do and buy and get whatever she wants without having to work - and then, starting when she's 28, and through about 32 or 33, those cards stop working one by one, until all of that "endless" easy money is gone, and her only income now is limited to that she has to EARN with HARD WORK. To someone who has always had easy money and never had to work, this seems HORRIBILY UNFAIR - but it's how everyone else has always had it. She had massive privilege while those credit cards worked, and took it for granted, and now that they're gone, she's MAD. And most women have little or nothing to show for all that money they spent (i. e., no husband or kids) in their 20s, when money came freely.

Being told that she's now AVERAGE - when she's used to being seen as a 9+ (because of her youth) - is OFFENSIVE to her. She got really used to her crazy high SMV, and when that falls back into the average range, well, most women go right into denial. But she can't deny that she's getting far fewer phonecalls, far fewer texts and emails, and when she enters a party, far fewer heads turn her direction, while in her 20s, EVERY head turned.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/6TXlvXNBWII

These women are SHOCKED at now being treated EXACTLY as they have been treating most men their entire adult lives, having never ever taken 5 seconds to consider how that felt to the men. Now they are finding out, and they're upset.

[EmbraceThePain]

Well, it's not strictly facial appearance-wise but other things.

Men, of all ages, usually go for women in their 20s.

Women, as they get older past a certain age will may have issues around pregnancy, specifically defects with their child. Women have a "window" to where a successful and healthy baby can be birthed, where once this window is surpassed increase their chances for problems in pregnancy.

This is also why women seem to mature earlier and faster than men, because that sense of urgency where the body is saying "hey, we need to mature fast because our time to have a baby is limited."

Men can father children at a much older age than women can have a healthy baby.

This is why boys don't mature as fast or early as women do because of no need for urgency.

For women, a characteristic attractive feature is youthfulness and playfulness, which usually gets lost the older she gets or at least doesn't get better.

For men, of course a woman can appreciate a young attractive guy, but other markers of attractiveness seem to increase as a man gets older such as maturity, ruggedness, wealth, career and status success, etc.

These are all masculine features women can find attractive.

[Apple1996]

Men have a fertility window as well. There sperm count starts going down the same time womens fertility does. Also older fathers cause a lot of the issues we are seeing today with autism. Which in the next few years is predicted to go up to 1/50 kids having it cuz of old fathers. It's really bad that men don't take into account their own fertility like women do and then end up with childern like that

[Apple1996]

And no mens attractiveness doesn't go up with age. That is such a myth lol I'd never in my life think a man that is over 10 years older then me is attractive. No girl likes men that look and act like Santa 🙄 not even the ones that are married to old guys are into that. They're there for other reasons

[EmbraceThePain]

I'm not sure they are the same as women though.

Meaning, of course a man in his 20s will have more testosterone and a higher sperm count than a man in his 60s

The difference between men and women is, for women, the drop off is much sooner and more drastic.

Think of it as a steep drop

Where men is more gradual

[EmbraceThePain]

Again, youthfulness is a characteristic attractive feature in women.

It's not in men

Handsomeness is

But men can look handsome in a variety of ages.

Youthful women carry more than just sexiness.

For example, as we've talked about, higher chance of healthy pregnancy.

Men dominate the older ages better (40s+)

Women dominate the younger ones (20s primarily)

[Apple1996]

You do realize most married women cut off their husband's from sex and divorce them cuz they no longer find them attractive anymore... that obviously speaks volumes about how unattractive men get with age

[EmbraceThePain]

There's billions of women on earth

How can you get "most" out of this group?

I'm just citing the science literature nothing more.

Also, most men are older than their wives or partner

If I told you there is a 20 year old and a 40 year old within a couple

The majority would think the 20 year old is the woman

Actually, no matter the age, most would choose the older one to be the man.

[Apple1996]

Most because 80% of women file for divorce like not that hard to see that number. Also it's all over online with women sharing their stories.
And the average age gap between a couple is 3 years... going either way for man to woman. The huge gap couples are rare and almost never last

[EmbraceThePain]

Well, what's the reason 80% of these women file for divorce?

Maybe men don't want to hurt the women's feelings so they tell them to initiate the divorce themselves haha? I know, I would just tell my wife to do that if I stopped loving her.

Also, do these studies say they are representative of the married population on earth or US or just those married who are surveyed or asked?

I can't imagine they are representative

If you can't prove it is, then it is just 80% of those only involved in the survey

[Apple1996]

I've only seen ones for the US. Outside us is slightly different cuz lots of forced marriages and such in different countries/ religion keeps them together.

And no generally men don't fall out of love with their wives. Almost always that women fall out of love/aren't attracted to their husband. Also marriage only benefits a man so not much reason why women would stay in that long term If they aren't getting anything out of it

[Apple1996]

Everyone has there own reasons but majority of women have those as their reasons

[EmbraceThePain]

Well, that doesn't make sense does it?

Men don't fall out of love for their wives but wives do? Especially as they get older?

Mhnmm, sounds very unlikely and suspicious wherever this is coming from.

Again, the whole point is for studies to be representative.

Not "oh, 80% of THESE people ONLY. . . "

It's not just forced marriages and religion that keeps people together.

Some countries? Maybe
All? No

Maybe people are just better in different parts of the world? Food for thought

[MCheetah]

Not exactly at 30, but somewhere in their mid 30s, yeah. Men did not make up women's beauty peaking at 23, women only "settling down" and getting off the C*ck Carousel of Tinder hookups in their 30s, and menopause being a thing.

No, most women do not "peak" at 25-30. MOST WOMEN (globally) have KIDS at 25-30. Sounds like some crap for immature/promiscuous women would say, as ideally, they're supposed to "grow up" and mature out of the loose sex phase by 22, when they usually would graduate college. Doing it at 30 is just pathetic.

And while all of this may sound "mean" or cruel, I am not trying to be. I'm just being brutally honest here, unlike how women are when the genders are reversed. Women's beauty peaks at 23. That is just a fact. In the old days, women would be married at 18 and have their first child by 23. I'm not saying they need to rush things (they shouldn't), but trying to deny reality just because more people are womanchildren and manchildren nowadays and still acting like they're 12 when they're 27, is pathetic, like I said.

So yeah, women hit the wall sometime between 32 and 36, depending on their health and fitness level. Men pretty much have no wall to hit and get more attractive with age (usually due to earning more money and being more mentally mature, which is what women care about).

However, men who aren't Chads do get the sh*t end of the deal in their early 20s when women expect them to be successful and wealthy by then, like older men are. Only around 27-29 do men and women "meet in the middle" and women's dating value (their looks and beauty) starts to fall, as men's dating value (wealth and looks) starts to rise and they become more "equal". So all it balances out in the end.

[letuswaltzforthedead]

It depends on the woman because, from what I understand, the wall exists when the woman decreases in youth (aka she's older) and in fertility. There has been multiple studies showing that men preferred women who were in early to mid 20s. Are there men who prefer older women? Yes, even women who aren't milfs exactly. Are there men who prefer younger women? 🤨🤨🤨. Fertility does decline sharply after 27 and at 35, the mom is considered a geriatric mom but there has been women who've birthed in their 40s, 50s, and 60s.

[Apple1996]

Fertility shouldn't be a deciding factor on this tho. I'm tired of old men who are wanting kids going after younger women like younger women are more at risk for dying during birth. It's safer to give birth in late 20s- early 30s then during teen years

[letuswaltzforthedead]

That's fair, it depends where the couple lives since mother's morality has decreased but it's still high in some parts of the world. There are men who are neutral or don't even want kids so if a woman doesn't want children, she could pair up with a man like that. If the guy really wants to have kids, dating someone younger will probably cross his mind (probably the reason why many celebrities have huge age gaps) but again, you're right, it isn't a complete necessity to date like that.

[Paulalove98]

@Apple1996 SAME. Thats when i want a kid at 27-30. Nothing wrong with that. Men who just want women for that are creepy idc sorry not sorry! What we feel is true.

[Apple1996]

@Paulalove98 yes I agree those men are creepy. I had kids young but that's cuz I married young and chose that lifestyle. It's definitely not for everyone and causes a lot of unneeded stress. I'd say 27-30 is the perfect age for babies

[Paulalove98]

@Apple1996 Yeah they always seem to bash women but what about the men who get really fat, age in the face, & have partied rough? They expect to have some super model that's 19 lmao its so stupid. Obviously she wants daddys money😂im not saying in all cases it's about money but most older men going for a woman that young its always about the sex, money and her being naive since she's that much younger there's not many love based relationships with those indviduals.

[Apple1996]

@Paulalove98 exactly men age too and seem to age worse then women. All the old men get beer bellies and grey hair/go bald early on. It's disgusting that those men go after 18 year old girls and yeah they're only with them for money and not love. Those relationships are terrible and I feel bad for those girls

[Paulalove98]

@Apple1996 im like wtf does she mean lol. Not you but the person with the opinion because late 20s and early 30s is still young and also some people should shut their mouths because my mom actually had me at age 38 and i came out perfectly healthy YUP:')

[NathanDavis]

one thing though... whoever says these things, they do not count as men...

they are just little douchebags boys that are VERY very very... insecure with their own self

and no, of course is not true, the only wall that there is... is the one that divide these boys from the actual men that do not have to deal with his kind stupid ass mindset lmao

[Apple1996]

Yes they are just little boys

[Paulalove98]

The term and definition of "milf" exists for a reason because young men and some older men have an open mind and recognize an older lady can still be atrractive for her mature age regardless if she's 34 or 42 as long as she is in good shape,& keeps herself up. I feel like its mostly older men who think a woman hits the wall im not saying all of them but I've seen a lot of older men on here say that meanwhile the young men and teen guys love milfs.

[NathanDavis]

@Paulalove98 very accurate

[Narbil]

I'm a man and I like them young. It's simple biology. There's nothing stupid about it, in fact, we like them young, they like them stable. They have the honey, we have the money.

Ever dated a 55 yo woman at your age?
Let me know how big boy you are.

[NathanDavis]

@Narbil case in point... proven

thanks for the assist

[Apple1996]

Boy alert ⚠️

[menina]

I turned 30 this year and I must confess that somedays I feel like s**t. I was feeling a little bit hopeless when my birthday was coming and sometimes, I wonder if I'm still in time to make something out my life and my looks.

That being said, I don't think this is true. It all comes down to the way you feel and how you take care of yourself. But still, I'm sad for being 30.

[Apple1996]

Awh don't he sad. 30 is just the beginning

[menina]

Well, for me it's the beginning of the downfall...

Anyways, thank you for trying to make me feel better. I really appreciate it.

[TCredo]

From personal experience, it's BS :) My wife is in her late 40's and still glowing. And... she's gotten more orgasmic which is awesome.

I believe be it men or women, it's a matter of choice if and when one becomes "old". I have known people in their 30's act and approach life as "old" and I know people older than me that act and approach life with vigor. Besides their chronological age, there is nothing "old" about them. Age isn't just relative it's what you make of it :)

[Lookingforthetruth]

its called husband googles.

[TCredo]

@Lookingforthetruth lol huh?

[Lookingforthetruth]

You never heard about husband's goggles? It's where a husband has rose tinted view of their wife and thinks of them as very attractive despite that not being the case.

[TCredo]

@Lookingforthetruth ah yes ok... got it now. Your first post said "husband googles" and I was thinking "what did I Google?" lol :)

[matchrestore]

Humans are so much healthier now than they were even a couple of generations ago. Look at what your grandparents looked like at 40 vs what your parents looked like at 40. A lot of that is that a lot fewer people smoke now days, but also sunscreen is a thing that people actually do nowadays, and a lot of common diseases have been eradicated or greatly reduced as well.

[Apple1996]

Yes people are looking better now a days then back a few generations ago

[Lookingforthetruth]

lol this post is so wrong.

[Red_Arrow]

No. So many beautiful women are well over 30! They crushed that wall! As for you, I have not seen you so I have no idea if you if you are near that stage or if you will continue getting more beautiful even well beyond that age. But I do know that your personality as we see it on here is great and will probably keep you very popular for many, many more years.

[ZackBan]

The wall is very real unfortunately but it changes from one person to the next. Some hit it at 30 some at 40 some even at 25.

The reason you often hear 30 has nothing to do with "insecure men" it's a raise of awareness to the women who spend their 20's aggressively hoeing and racking up an astronomical body count without any semblance of commitment as they will reach an age where they are far less desirable physically and due to their history no one will wanna build a long lasting relationship with them (or at least no one worth dating).

That is sad but also true. While I don't like telling people how to live life there are things you need to admit about the way of the world.

[Apple1996]

I don't see anything wrong with women with high body counts

[ZackBan]

Of course you don't. Neither do I.
But a man looking to settle down and find a life partner will.

I personally am not looking for that so I don't care what people do, but if I ever decided to get married I won't settle for someone who's been with hundreds of guys

[Apple1996]

Not all men care. My husband never cared about anything that I did before him

[ZackBan]

Well then you're lucky to have him.
But you're also 26 now. So to be fair to the original question you did not hit the "wall" before marriage. And so you were still technically very desirable despite your past

[Apple1996]

My husband thinks I'm better looking now then I was when he met me at 16

[Paulalove98]

@ZackBan its not always about age you know lol because my cousin is a 19 year old and people think she's 28-30 and meanwhile i get told i look 19-21 keep in mind this is without any makeup, i also dont drink alcohol and i wear sunscreen , hydrate and exercise meanwhile she doesn't seem to do any of that but she's looking rough at only "19" if you people only go based off age thats weird.

[ZackBan]

I literally said people hit the wall at different ages.
And it's not really about looks, a woman can look stunning at 40 but be past her wall it's far more primal than looks.
Men have walls too by the way, they just come on average at a much older age

[Anonymous]

No. Men are just inherently all pedophiles. Theyed rather sleep with a 15 yr old than a 35 yr old at 40. If there were no laws about age of consent, men would be with teens and YOUNGER girls left and right. I was a 2 to guys my age in high shool but a 10 to middle aged men 🤢 They like children.

[EstevanMadrid898]

Females are also the same

[Opinion Owner]

They are not. Most women prefer same age or older men.

[Apple1996]

That is so true. a lot of men are pedos.. it's honestly scary to think about some of the creepy men I experienced growing up. Like I really hope to protect my own childern from men like that

[xJayleenx]

People are stupid for thinking that a woman’s looks decline after 25 🤦🏽‍♀️ 30 is still young and if a woman continues to take care of herself and actually knows how she’ll still look great 40 and up. Hopefully I’ll learn how to take care of myself better (weight) because I’m struggling wish me luck.

[Apple1996]

I feel you on that. Weight can be difficult to manage at any age

[xJayleenx]

I barely eat too girl 😭

[Levin]

I mean, why fight biology.

It doesn't mean women become repugnant at 30 or something.

You just can't fight the energy that a women in her early 20s gives off. Why do you think their egos are totally out of control? You can't have your cake and eat it here.

This is just a biological/hormonal thing. It's to do with baby making.

Probably in the same way that a stable, fit, established man with a good career in his 30s is going to be more attractive than a late teenager or a 20 year old man for you.

Women in their 30s are still perfectly hot. Provided they stay in shape and take care of themselves. Which they seldom seem to, in this modern society, alas.

Just as you'd say that men in this modern society don't cut it for you.

Again, having your cake here.

[Apple1996]

I didn't give off any energy in my early 20s. I'm still on my way to my prime. We all hit it at different times.
And no I hate guys that are older then me that's why I'm married to a younger guy then myself to have childern with.
Also it's more dangerous to have baby as a teen/early 20s. Trust me I've experienced those struggles and it was not fun. My pregnancy at 26 has been far easier then my pregnancy at 17

[Levin]

This girl is 20. There's not many who can realistically compete with this. How do I look? Out of 10? ↗

You're having a go at men here. But what you have to realise, is that women in their 20s will get 10x as much attention as the most eligible men.

[Apple1996]

No offense to that girl in the picture. She is good looking but looks older then what her age is saying 18-24. If there was no age on that I'd be guessing 29 just based on looks

[PinkRose24]

@Levin the girl in the picture looks way older than 20. She looks 30. Also she has facial redness. I don't see anything special about her.

[Apple1996]

@PinkRose24 yeah I thought the same thing. She looks much older then 20

[Levin]

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[DoctorSex]

It all depends on what type of man you want.

If you want a traditional man. Then yes, 30 is probably even too old. Although I'd say it actually has less to do with reproduction as many men use as an easy escape button. I think it has a lot more to do with femininity/introversion.

With age and time comes Extroversion and masculinity as a result of having to "grow up" as a single woman. I also believe money has a horrible effect on women. Similar to "The Ring" in Lord of the Rings.

I firmly believe money has a spiritually corrupting nature to the feminine and transforms it masculine.

Name one truly feminine woman who has a lot of money, you'll find very few.

However there are plenty of introverted, less traditional men that would enjoy an Extroverted assertive woman.

Kind regards,

DoctorSex

[Apple1996]

I already got a traditional man and I'm traditional myself so I'm well past that point in my life of caring about that stuff

[DoctorSex]

@Apple1996
If you stopped caring, then why did you post a whole topic about it? Something doesn't quite add up here.

In any case, you cannot change men's preference by attempting to shame them, no different than a man can change a woman's preference from liking successful, in shape, handsome men.

It would be silly of me to post, "women are insecure for wanting successful men", a man who posts something like this is clearly detached from reality.

Kind regards,

[Apple1996]

Stopped caring about finding a man cuz I have one. Doesn't mean I ain't thinking about aging lol

[USLegionary]

Yes. Taylor has held together well though. You shouldn't use famous actresses as a gauge as they've got trainers, makeup artists, photographers, surgeons, dieticians etc. Generally a woman might be attractive still in her 30s even 50s and 60s but not as attractive as she was in her teens and 20s.

Rose McGown young vs old

Meghan Fox young vs old

[Apple1996]

Megan looks far better now then back then

[Apple1996]

And i look like shit in my 20s. My glow up hasn't happened yet

[USLegionary]

Nah she was way hotter. Too much plastic surgery

[Apple1996]

I think it's that she's now with mgk which gives them hot points as a couple. I'm biased af tho cuz I love mgk

[USLegionary]

🤣🤣🤣

[Lookingforthetruth]

lol Meghan looks way better in transformers than now. This is cope.

[pers0n]

@Lookingforthetruth did you say "transformers"
They sure are.
https://youtu.be/cLHp4C2pjGI

[pers0n]

If I could... i would run this through a loudspeaker either into your ears. THEY ADMIT TO BE TRANNIES SO STOP THIS NONSENSICAL COMPARING WOMEN'S BEAUTY TO ULTRA-PLASTICLY-SURGIFIED-TRANNIES.

[pers0n]

And MGK is a female to male... a classic luciferian inverted couple where the woman is a man and the man is a woman. Then all of you claim to be religious christians or something... why don't you straight up hang wallpapers of the baphomet at your home? That's pretty much what you're already doing. Glorifying luciferian androgynes and lusting after the same sex as yourself.

[pers0n]

@joeldalton remember you said no tranny is as passable as gadot? Look at gayman fox... who appears passable but admits when drunk... and got into serious trouble which led her/him to never touch alcohol again since that interview.

[joeldalton]

@pers0n lol, that’s a guy who wanted to suck a dude’s dick but was in denial about it.

[pers0n]

@joeldalton who? Mgk? Not even close to passing as male. Even a dude with 30 tapeworms living in him won't look as much a soy weakling as this

[Alwayreckles93]

Not sure what kind off dumb ass says that we age horrible at 30 we do not. Honestly I have seen woman over the age 30 and they look way better more skinny at 30's then 20's. My bestie she is 30 but people always think she is 18 .

[Apple1996]

Yesss I'm planning on getting hot and skinny in my 30s

[Alwayreckles93]

Girl I bet you look great! It's the creep guys that used that as an excuse to date younger woman which is creepy. Mostly statistics had proved woman look amazing in their 30 ,40,50 I mean even 60's for example look at Shakira she looks amazing for her age.

[Paulalove98]

@Alwayreckles93 my dad still fell for my mom and she was 38 when they met and she had me the same year and im perfectly healthy! Im hoping to have kids in my late 20s or early 30s too but men with their numbers acting like dorks is retarded when really its about how a woman takes care of her health.

[Smoothing]

All I can say is, when it comes to settling down, your a woman's looks doesn't matter that much. But if you are talking about attracting men, a woman can be 45 and still be attracting men.

When it comes to settling down, I think @Moose304 has spoken facts. If you are a woman and not locked at 35, you could be playing with fire. Giving birth not only becomes more difficult, but also expensive. Very few men are willing to go through that hustle.

Most serious family oriented men I know, settle down to start a family. Which means they aim for women who can give birth easily. Which is women below the age of 30. 25 to 30 is the best age for women to start a family.

Men don't have to worry to much about that. A man can still have soldiers matching at 60. Even when he is going through ED, the soldiers keep matching.

[Smoothing]

If you think your looks matter that much when settling down, you got the wrong end of the stick.

[Apple1996]

That is very false male infertility is on the rise right now. Men are only making 50% sperm count of what they did 100 years ago so maybe biologically men use to be able to father healthy childern at a old age but not anymore. It's best for men to have kids in their 20s-30s

[Apple1996]

Like personally I'd never have a child with a man past 30-35 cuz of all the risk. Luckily I'm cutting my husband off at 29 for kids so that won't be a issue

[Smoothing]

Humour yourself.

[Smoothing]

It is great that you are already married. Otherwise, from the way you are talking, I was getting worried for you. But well done. At least you got yourself sorted.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Depends more on lifestyle than chronological age. I've seen 40-year-olds that looked better than a lot of 25-year-olds, but those 40-year-olds still looked better when they were 30 than they do at 40.

My mom was mistaken for my sister/date well into her 40s, but she was spectacularly stunning in her 20s. I can go to walmart right now and find a busload of 20-somethings that look like hammered shite on a steamy sidewalk... I mean... except for the fact I'd have to go to walmart...

[Chazmatazz269]

It’s good that you think so highly of yourself, but “the wall” doesn’t reflect your self esteem. It reflects other people’s opinion of your value sexually and romantically. There is definitely a wall. Women who prioritize too many things above finding “ Mr. Right”, particularly their careers, will reach a point at which they value their accomplishments too much, in a manner of speaking. They’ll think they’re still “young enough” and “beautiful enough” to attract men PLUS they have a great career. Well, dudes don’t care about your career accomplishments. Societally we still expect men to be providers. Even if a woman makes a million dollars a minute, she’ll expect her fella to make a million and a half. She’s also not as young, beautiful and energetic as someone who hasn’t wasted two decades on other things. But that’s who she’s competing with, and that’s the biggest hurdle. The wall is real, but it’s easy to avoid if you set your priorities properly.