Yes... money isn't everything and it's better than nothing! I have seen MANY hispanic families be raised on BOTH the mom and the dad working in places like Arby's and Walmart! They still want to reproduce and what should really stop them! This question was like me a couple months ago when asking: "Why do poor people have children? ! " Well to answer that, it's because they CAN! They have Welfare that they can go to! ... This is what I have discovered... it may not be a popular vote for my old school parents who always worked desk jobs their whole life BUT had children in their 20s (my brother was born when my mom was 26 after one misscarriage before him!) and I when my mom was 31 and then she had another misscarriage after me! ... Oh and this is what I have discovered... Especially about having children... I think that you can have all your life to make money... BUT (and I mean this a great big BUT! !) you don't have all your life to have children! And that is why, even though I was scared in my 20's to have children, the hispanics weren't because they thought like this! Also, they usually have kids/children young! It's because they want to have the healthiest and be at their most fertile to ENSURE the continuation of their species... I doubt people can afford IVF (Invitro fertilization) and God knows hardly anyone wants to adopt because it's not their "blood" if you know what I mean!
Souce: Me singe, works a mimimum wage too! ... But I'm from CA so my mimimum was is like $12 dollars and up! Some companies go as high as $15 or $16 depending on the company! If I didn't leave my old company, I'd have been getting $17.75 per hour but it was an abusive environment so... I am in my 30's (in fact I am 35) and this is what I think! Plus, unfortunately, guys are so grossly shallow (MOST of them) that you tend to "disappear" when you turn close to 40! ... Unless it was just my getting immature guys and the shallow ones... I need help here guys! <-- Single and looking!! One bad relationship to another! But I hope not this time around!
If a man as described above can afford to take a woman out for say a soft drink and a sandwich then do it ! first dates should be something simple and cheap for if she is not your type then you did not spend out much money on her finding out that she is not for you ! for me it is this way ! he picks me up at my house and we go to a near by restaurant for what I call a - Snack and Chat - of which he pays for ! then if after about an hour and we get along then we can set up a time and place for a longer date ! if we do not get a long then no more dating ! If a man is interested in a woman then he can try this but has never talked ! If he sees her and she sees him , then he should - wave and smile - at her and see how she responds back ! if she does the same thing back to him then he can go over to her and talk to her ! if she does not respond back to him then he should find another woman ! my mechanic shows an interest in me but he does not make minimum wage for he works for a woman who is the widow of his boss ! if a woman really likes you then money will not matter that much to her but your loving heart will
What kind of loser is still making minimum wage at 30? Dude better be a sex offender or an ex con or handicapped otherwise you're just pathetic. Literally what have you been doing the past 13 years of your life.
I answered a similar question in a Youtube comment thread. After much back and forth I came to the conclusion that this generation literally doesn't know how life works outside of their respective bubbles... the prospect of MOVING out of an economic deadzone was preposterous to them. Getting a second job, was preposterous, NOT fucking random people and getting pregnant with ZIP in the bank was preposterous. They didn't even know where to start "Its not that easy!" "B-b-b-b-b-but I have kids!" "I don't wanna leave my family!" "Save me communist government!"
Tore those idiots a new one, showed them HOW to move to a new city and get started and asked them some pretty pertinent questions about their life choices prior to their current predicament. Haven't gotten a response in a couple days. Either they're BIG MAD and pouting in the corner or they took my advice.
To your question, a 30 year old man, again, sans ex cons, handicapped, and sex offenders, should be ruthlessly mocked not just by women but by society as a whole. You have NOTHING to offer her, relationships are an exchange of resources for access to reproduction (fuck what your pastor or mommy says) if you have no resources/cannot acquire them or are incapable of reproducing you. are. useless (sorry not sorry Bolde/Thot Catalogue).
I had to start over from zero at nearly 40 due to my business partner stealing from me. I lost my house, car, and retirement savings, so I know too well that things can happen. BUT, until I got back on my feet, I didn't date. I focused all my energies into getting my life back on track, clawing my way out of a deep hole of debt. Only when I had significantly improved my situation did I start looking for a relationship.
That's what I would advise you to do. I respect you for working, but you can't stop once you get a job - you have to work at improving yourself and raising your market value every day, and keep looking for a better job. Let everyone you know that you are looking, and get everyone you can to recommend you (ask them for a letter of recommendation or a testimonial). You could be making 2-3 times the amount in a year if you work hard at it.
Once you can pay all your bills, put money into your savings every week, and still have spending money left over, you can try dating again.
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I would only suggest that this person THINKS about the future he wants and what is realistic and what makes a man able to get to KEEP a woman in his life. Most women for the most part probably would date him casually if he is a great person in general. But long term with a future in it, not so much.
I am 32 and dont have a car. No girl wants a relationship with us man. Money does matter.
To answer your question. Yes. You SHOULD DATE. But only date for sex or friends with benefits. Dont expect love. But even if you are poor like me plenty of girls will have sex if you are charming. Market yourself as go with the flo or unsure of dating. Chics do fall in love after being a fuck buddy sometimes.
Dude, I know plenty of guys working minimum wage who have girlfriends or wives - and some even have kids. I think the only women who reject guys like what you describe are privaleged or college educated types.
Dude can't afford toilet paper. Dating should be the last thing on his mind!
In all honesty, it depends. If he’s got the mentality that he’ll never earn more, live in his own house and doesn’t want to improve himself, then probably not.
I make my own money and don’t rely on my partner financially so the way he treats me, his energy and his character would play a bigger role in my decision if I should date him or not.
Also money is something temporary, you might have them all today but be homeless tomorrow. What kind of person you are and the way you see the world, your morals, your soul are wayyy more consistant.
If he wants to become better, then I would be more than happy to be by his side and support him towards his goals.
And before you say anything let me tell you that when I started dating my boyfriend who was 28 back then, he didn’t have a car, he wasn’t earning much and so on, but he worked hard and he’s doing a lot better now, we bought our first car together, he bought his own house and so on. And I truly enjoyed to be with him watching him not giving up.
Not being where you want to be is not a reason for someone not to date you. It’s like not to date someone because they’re fat. As long as they’re trying and not giving up, skipping gym and cheating their diet it’s all good. Determination and consistency are much more important than your current way of living.
Bottom line is it doesn’t matter what you do and how much you earn as long as you try hard every day to better yourself and your situation.
If a man is over 30 still making minimum wage. im going to question his life decision and priorities. I wouldn't date him. But I'm sure someone desperate for any man would.
If there was some reason like disabled/health/entreprenuer struggle years etc okay that part makes more sense I would accept that.
But -
Current American president signed a bill to expands more opportunities to people apprenticeship programs that aren't just labor intensive. (tech/wine making/ mechanic/etc) the digital age alone has brought in amazing opportunities to do more and make new if you have the drive.
Aka opportunities are abundant and out there that is more than minimum wage.
Cost of living is consistently going up. I'm not into struggle love & I'm not interested in carrying a man financially. That's cute for those that are into that.
There are women who love it. I'm just not one of them. I expect what I bring to the table. I'm financially secure. Ambition. I expect the same. I don't want struggle love. Or to be with someone with such low expectations of themselves.
1. Find a place for $300-500 a month (yes they are around. Likely roommate situation which is more common these days)
2. Learn to cook so you save money on this. Doubles as a dating option aswell. Feeding her at your place.
3. Have alcohol on hand just incase.
(optional) 4. work on increasing your income in the meantime.
Do those things and don't be stupid with your money and you're good. Get a bottle of wine with two glasses from walmart and go for a romantic walk in the park. Sit on a bench, drink wine, talk and kiss. Lookup free wine tastings in your area. Lookup free events like festivals. Maybe they have drinks and you spend $14 - $20 for an entire night.
You're not screwed, you just have to do what you have to do. Definitely cut expenses and look to improve your income tho. Even at $10 hourly you can afford a place for $300-500 and take girls out on inexpensive dates/have them over your place. Dates really don't have to cost much or anything for that matter.
You can be poor/low income. But never be broke.
The problem isn't so much money. It's the perception of the company you work for. I was making good money until I got laid off at 23 and the jobs in my profession in my area were drying up. I either had to up and move and find similar jobs or start over. I decided to start over. I've been working the same job now for the past 5 years and went from my first year bring home $14,000 a year to currently $30,000 a year. I still don't make as much as I used too but the company I work for now is far more secure than the previous jobs I've had. I've got a decent 401k with a good employee match. While my previous job didn't offer that. I also receive $750 a year in HSA from my company plus I contribute $50 a week to max my HSA contributions. I also live in an area where the cost of living is extremely low (main reason for not wanting to relocate and keep my old line of work) $30,000 where I live is equivalent to about $60,000 in most metro areas. Yet, because I'm working the same job as I was when I was making $14,000 some women will look at me and think I make minimum wage. I never tell women what I make because it is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS! The only time a woman should even have an idea on my income is if we are getting married. Women will ask what kind of job do you have but that is a trick question to figure out how much you make. Again this is none of their damn business. Seriously, do men worry about how much a woman makes when he's trying to find a partner? No. So, if the woman is so worried about how much a man makes that means she's going to depend on you. If you make enough they will see that as them being able to quit their jobs. If you don't make enough but are on track then they see that as them being able to quit their jobs in the future. But once again, how much you make is none of their business. As long as you don't have to ask for handouts from the girl your dating she shouldn't have a clue as to how much you make and it won't matter if you choose wisely.
Much to my families and my own agony my well educated brother in law was unemployed for 2.5 years. My little sister who was the homecoming queen, has a good teaching job and no mental flaws/addictions. She’s 29, he’s now 30.
But he got a new job a year ago. It’s in retail but it pays better than minimum wage. But still he could be doing better. But it was an improvement.
My whole family including myself wanted her to divorce him. But she stayed with him. He must be the luckiest son of a bitch alive. He’s not even that good looking, not athletic. He’s got a friendly personality but that’s just about it.
Anyway women make emotional based irrational decisions all the time when it comes to dating and relationships. It depends on how a guy pushes her buttons. The only thing my bro in law has is his personality/charm AND I underutilized intelligence. I’ve been beat out by much more broke, lesser attractive guys who knew the right angles go play. I make six figures by the way.
Money definitely gives you leg up. It’s important. I respect anyone who WORKS. But most women (my sister was an exception) want money either legitimate reasons (start a family) or for selfish piece of shit reasons (worthless freeloaders, conceited gold diggers). BUT any guy has a angle to play. He shouldn’t give up.
I’ll end this by saying I actually want my brother in law to make it all the way and land a good career. He’s improved so far, I just hope it goes farther.
Honestly (and I say this being not to much better off), women will never respect a man without money. They demand resources from the man (and biologically it makes sense but I think women are far less forgiving then men are when it comes to what they desire in a partner and taking into account the current societal structure (I. e. you don't need a lot of money to get by but that doesn't mean they don't expect you to have it, they want you to treat them like an equal but also be the bread winner etc.)), and if you have few resources that means you have fewer options. Now if you can show that its not going to be permanent, that it was an unfortunate event or what have you then you might have a chance but like I said, women are unforgiving and rather intolerant to those who don't make enough money (studies show that women by and large refuse to date "down"(economically speaking)).
I don't feel like I'm in a position to tell someone whether they should date or not (though in certain situations I'd recommend focusing on the situation at hand and getting things together before worrying about dating).
I think it very much depends on the situation, though. I think there's also a huge difference between someone doing their best to get back on their feet and taking what they can until they move up and someone who is content with not being able to support themselves and has no desire to do better.
I don't want to be mean but the guy needs to understand that his chances are slim. Not that it's totally impossible for him to get a date, it's just gonna be more challenging for him.
You can blame women for being materialistic, unreasonable etc etc. for not choosing guys who are broke or are working minimum-wage jobs but the truth is almost everything needs money. Bills, food, baby diapers, milk powder, rent, clothes, detergent, school fees, etc all need money. Even if you want to pursue your life goals, chase after your dreams to be a famous artist, you still need money to buy brushes, paint, drawing materials.
So if being realistic is considered unreasonable, then so be it. Women are all unreasonable, money-grubbing bitches. Happy?
I would not date that person, because he's too old for me. But I think a woman in a similar situation would be willing to date him. If you only go for career women with a good job, nice house etc, your chances are very low - because you have nothing in common and she will want someone to match her.
More importantly though, I think you can be more than just your age and wage. Do you have hobbies? Life goals? Work out, do something good for the world, chase happiness?
Do something that makes you more interesting and be a person you'd want to know. You don't need money for that, a lot of good things are free. Have something to offer!
I'm sure there are women over 30 on min wage still. Just try find others in your league?
There is always hope, and depending on why you are still on min wage, maybe lack of ambition, even women earning much higher incomes may still find you attractive for your personality.
It's a combination of factors, I doubt anyone is going to take you on if you are a financial liability- don't pull your weight and bludgeon off their hard earned cash. It really just depends.
It happends to women all the time I'm sure.
I think he'd have a chance if he demonstrated drive, passion, some kind of skill she admires. she has to be able to respect him and she has to feel like she is getting something she wants. Maybe she already has money but she admires music talent, or creativity, or high intelligence. But if the issue is low mitovation, lack of direction, confusion... that's just does not say "mate with me and lets make offspring". To be honest, in that scenario, the guy should not want a girl because she is going to make him suffer til he changes... so maybe in that sense it's good for him, but it will hurt.
You know there's jobs that will pay a reasonable amount without the need for skills. Call centres for example have high turnover so as long as you can communicate well it's easy to get. Girls won't frown upon you for having something like that and you can work up to management fairly quickly and be respected.
But ultimately as long as you can pay your own bills it shouldn't matter. Some people on high wages are experts are wasting money and being broke. You may be able to prioritise your expenses better and save more by not buying expensive drinks while out, not indulging in snacks etc.
Most jobs I see advertised are minimum wage. The way I look at it... at least he's working. It's difficult to survive on minimum wage, but if a woman judges your potential by the wage you earn, she's clearly in a relationship for the wrong reasons , so her relationships won't succeed long-term.
Don't give up on finding a girlfriend just because you earn minimum wage.
To be completely honest relationships in this age are kinda hit-or-miss, some people either have trouble finding relationships, or too afraid to ask people out on dates so on and so forth. Definitely still try though, it's better to die trying than not try at all. I mean at the very least at least you gave it your best shot. I feel really bad for men because females are typically extremely picky, you have to meet an exact criteria before she deems you worthy. Some women aren't like that mind you, but I've seen so many women up on their social high horses it's ridiculous!
Think about it this way - are you seriously suggesting that all men in their 30s who still make only minimum wage are single? No, of course not. Some of have girlfriends, others don't. So apparently it's possible.
To answer this question, you need to realize something. The vast majority of women are not interested in who you are as a person... they are only interested in what you are... what you can do for them, what you do... how you can entertain them, or how you can make them feel.
If you are a Burger flipper... but earn enough to pay all of your bills, and have a roof over your head... they will not want to know...
You even hear women talk down to plumbers, builders and sewage workers... but those are the first people she will call if she has a leak or a problem with her home.
The real question should be ''Why should any guy, at any age, doing any profession, earning any wage... whether minimum or maximum... bother dating?''
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