Would you be okay with a prenup?

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

Yes

No

[Haha456]

Millionaire founder of amazon, Jeff Bezos, his wife financially supported him for 10+ years when he gave up his job so that he can take all his and his wife's savings so that he could start up amazon. He worked over 12 hrs a day. Amazon took almost 10 years to become profitable. Without his wife, he wouldn't be able to create such the billion dollar company that he enjoys today.

should his wife not have the right to some of his assets after contributing to his success for so many years?

I think people really do not understand how much our spouses contribute to our success.

If I am doing all the work raising 4 kids, making sure that my husband gets fed a nice meal every time he gets home, waking up 5 am every morning to cook breakfast for him, making sure he doesn't have to do any housework that he can contribute 16 hours a day to building his business empire, I deserve some of that profit. Nobody is entitled to a free maid, free nanny to help him raise all his kids without him lifting a finger. You can't just take advantage of someone like that.

So in my opinion, it really depends on how much your spouse is contributing to your assets. The more she contributes, the more she deserves.

[Cbnfxb]

She did have the right to some of his assets. Not the full lot, but at the end of the day HE is the mastermind NOT her. JUST like most men.
She’s still a billionaire herself so wtf are you talking about. Men are powerful women are not.

[Haha456]

@Cbnfxb

how is she not powerful if she is a billionaire? at least she is more powerful than you. There is an increasing number of female politicians too.

[Screenwriter]

For people with significant assets acquired before marriage and children, prenuptial agreements make sense. Also if the person has an inheritance that won't be acquired until after marriage, or has siblings or other family that they want to leave assets to.

No marital partner should expect to simply acquire all of a spouse's assets because of a ring, especially if they've only been married a few years and have no children between them.

This might be more pertinent between people who are more mature when married and even prenups can be contested in court. So have a good lawyer.

[Haha456]

Millionaire founder of amazon, Jeff Bezos, his wife financially supported him for 10+ years when he gave up his job so that he can take all his and his wife's savings so that he could start up amazon. He worked over 12 hrs a day. Amazon took almost 10 years to become profitable. Without his wife, he wouldn't be able to create such the billion dollar company that he enjoys today.

should his wife not have the right to some of his assets after contributing to his success for so many years?

[Screenwriter]

@Haha456 His is an unusual situation. Few women supply the seed money to create their husbands billion dollar company and in any court of law she will and she did get a significant amount of money from him in their divorce.

I didn't ever say someone shouldn't get a share in assets ACQUIRED DURING THE MARRIAGE. But money acquired BEFORE the marriage, that is HER money that she had before she met him, should not be included in that bargain. Even if THAT is the money she used to support him in his endeavor.

She earned far more than she ever invested and was paid back heartily.

[Haha456]

@Screenwriter

do you understand why wives usually take half his assets? because the divorce system understand how marriage works. Its not uncommon for wives to dedicate long hours to helping their husbands with their work. I know a wife of a millionaire who travels with him to many different states all across the US to assist him with his personal errands. Things like helping him rehearse, making sure he gets his breakfast, arranging his hotels, making sure his suits and shirts are ironed. He also makes youtube videos, his wife drives him to places and records every single one of them.

If the wife isn't helping him with business, she is giving him the luxury of being a parent without him every changing a diaper or lifting a finger. She is the one doing all the work for him?
who else on this earth gets to enjoy children without ever changing a diaper or teaching or disciplining or feeding kids? Kids are hard work to raise. You don't get the luxury of being parent without ever having to do any of the dirty work. Your wife did all the work for you so you never had to do it.

Quite often, spouses even use their own savings to pay for their wives' medical school tuition so their wives can graduate and become successful doctors. One of my distant cousin is a paramedic supervisor. He paid for his wife's medical school tuition. If they ever divorce, he should be entitled to getting half her assets upon divorce.

This is why wives are entitled to half their husband's assets. Because the marital system understands how much spouse dedicate their lives to each other.

[Haha456]

"Getting half of your spouse's assets upon divorce" has a bad rep.

But if I am dedicating my life to serving my husband so that he can be better off in the future, YET he wants me to sign a prenup. Trust me, I won't be sacrificing myself to serve him. I will not be doing all the grunt work raising the kids. I will not be waking up 6 am every morning to cook breakfast for him. If he wants to go to law school, I will not be helping him pay for it. If he has medical bills, I will not help him pay for it. If he loses his job, I will not be paying for his dinner.

So I think people need to be careful when they say that spouses shouldn't be entitled to anything after divorce.

[Screenwriter]

@Haha456 I've never argued against any of this. Of course half of assets earned during the marriage go to each spouse.

[Screenwriter]

@Haha456 Prenups are usually enacted to protect both partners in the event of divorce or death. What they do is supersede widely differing STATE martial asset laws. Suppose you marry in one state and divorce in another. Or marry in one state and your spouse predeceases you. In some states you must separate the assets between you and surviving children. In others all assets go to the living spouse until BOTH parents are dead. The arcana of marital laws from state to state is dizzying and confused.

A prenutual contract clarifies how assets will be divvied, how alimony will be paid, how children will be supported.

Of course, there could be prenups that are detrimental to one spouse. This is why EACH lawyer examines the contract and EXPLAINS it to their party to their satisfaction and changes can be made to satisfy both.

Having everything straightforward and on the table is clear and fine.

[Haha456]

@Screenwriter

A prenup does not mean that you won't have to give anything to your wife upon divorce. Often in prenups, there husband still needs to gives something to his ex wife to make sure that she will be ok. why do you think the reason for this is? because they know that spouses sacrifice and contribute to each other's lives. Its very uncommon in a marriage where the spouses do absolutely nothing for each other.

I have a coworker at my job who needs to get by work 6am every mornining. Only problem is she lives 1.5 hours away by train. She didn't want to take the train because it would take too long of a commute. It would mean less sleep time for her. She asked her husband who usually wakes up 6: 30 am to get to work by 8 am, to drive her to work. So now they both wake up at 5 am, so her husband can drive her to work. She gets an additional half an hr of sleep daily.

Her husband really does not need to wake up 2 hours earlier every morning. He is doing it for his wife.

Spouses sacrificing themselves for each other is extremely common in marriages. And divorce system understands that.

[Screenwriter]

@Haha456 I've never contested or argued against giving a former wife something that would be elucidated in a prenup. But these are assets and obligations acquired BEFORE THE IMPENDING MARRIAGE and have nothing to do with the new marriage.

As I said, the new wife cannot claim assets distributed before she arrived on the scene. Whether the former wife did or did not support her ex husband, he is paying alimony to her or giving her something of value acquired BEFORE the new marriage or agreed to BEFORE the new wife is on the scene.

The new wife might TRY to contest this by saying she's done this or that for the man, saying she deserves everything the man has... but I don't think it holds up. Prenups prevent there even being a DISCUSSION of this issue. A former wife might have been promised alimony as long as she did not remarry, or possibly even for life. If that was the arrangement, the current wife has nothing to say about it. And clarifying that in a prenup safeguards everyone involved.

[Haha456]

@Screenwriter

Our discussion has nothing to do with assets gained prior to marriage. My clarification was that the phrase " No marital partner should expect to simply acquire all of a spouse's assets because of a ring" should not be thrown around lightly. Because in almost every marriage, its very common for spouses to sacrifice themselves for each other. Its just that we live in American society where we are selfish and only out for our self interests. A wife giving up her career in order to make your dream of having children possible for you, means a lot of lost income for her. Not only did she lose her income for many years, she also lost promotions and additional skills that she could've gotten. Only one parent stays home, its up to the couple to decide who has to give up their career.

This is why often spouses SHOULD receive a decent sum of money from their spouse upon divorce.

This was the point I was trying to make. Which kind of assets and when he made the assets does not matter.

[Haha456]

Often times when you divorce a housewife, it would be hard for her to find a job after 10 years of being unemployed. Her skills from 10 years ago, prior to having children are long outdated. It would be a struggle for her to find a career or re-enter the professional workforce. What commonly happens is the only jobs she can get are low wage jobs that require minimal experience. Now she is working minimum wage job with 3 kids to support. Of course she would need some of her ex husband's assets or money in order to stand on her own two feet.

Her husband was the reason why she gave up her career in the first place. Now she is in a pile of shit because of him.

In my opinion, vast majority of spouses should get part of their spouse's assets. Unless you've sacrificed absolutely nothing of yourself in the marriage. Should the spouse get ALL of their ex husband's assets? NO, but she should have the right to have a decent enough sum to make ends meet.

[BCRanger10]

I am totally against prenuptial agreements. They anticipate problems that a couple will choose not to overcome and add another layer of complexity to an already difficult situation.

People today almost seem to take prenuptial agreements more seriously than the marriage agreement itself. They act as though a prenuptial agreement can't and won't be challenged, that everything will go smoothly if they decide to divorce. What's to stop someone from challenging it in court? Why is it that the presumably and ideally unbreakable bond of marriage is anticipated to end, but the antecedent barrier to that bond isn't?

[Fireguy17]

very much so.
My wife and I have one.
We were older when we got married, and it protects what we have.
You do it while you still like each other before lawyers get involved when you no longer like each other.
We have a very large income disparity between us, and I wanted to make sure that I would not lose what i have, and she doesn't have to worry about me going after what she has.
If I pass first, she gets it all anyway, and the same if she passes first.
I don't want to be 80 asking if you want fries with that unless I need to get out of the house.

[OlderAndWiser]

I am an attorney and I have drafted prenuptial agreements for clients. Yes, I would consent to one if my partner requested that.

[OlderAndWiser]

What many people do not realize is that a prenuptial agreement can also control what happens if the marriage survives until one of you dies: who inherits what?

[TDDMS]

Can you talk and/or describe how often prenups get thrown out by the courts? And on what grounds can a judge toss a prenup?

[OlderAndWiser]

@TDDMS Prenuptial agreements have two essential requirements. First, there must be a full financial disclosure by both parties. That is usually done by having each one complete a financial affidavit that lists their current sources of income, current expenses, assets, and liabilities. Second, both sides must receive independent legal advice before signing the prenuptial agreement. If both these conditions are satisfied, prenuptial agreements are absolutely enforceable wih respect to alimony and the division of assets and liabilities.

A prenuptial agreement cannot provide for subsequent responsibility for child support that is less than what would otherwise be awarded in the absence of an agreement.

[TDDMS]

@OlderAndWiser Yeah everything you described sounds reasonable. I had to ask about prenups because soooooooooooooooooooooo many of these MGTOWs are spreading lies saying that judges are now tossing prenups out the window on a daily basis. If a prenup was based on misinformation and/or lies, then yes I can see a judge tossing it.

[OlderAndWiser]

@TDDMS In the cases that I have handled, not a single one got tossed out. Any decent attorney knows to have their client make a complete financial disclosure, to make sure the other sside has access to counsel, and to docment

[OlderAndWiser]

. . . what was done in the process. The MGTOW crowd likes to make up facts to justofy their sad existence but, as is true of most people in most situations, they make their own misery!

[Vegasrunner]

Prenups dont offer the protection people think because they are usually excluded by the court. If You're a man these days thinking of getting married here are three things you should do.

1. Get your head examine - Go get a physch eval because there is no logical reason for a man to get married outside of a sincere desire to have kids.

2. Visit the top Divorce attorneys - Go to the top 3-5 divorce attorney in your city and pay them for a consultation. This will disqualify them from representing your wife in a divorce settlement

3. Make sure you have a good side chick - Marriage essentially limits you to one women and once women know that they will attempt to use that to their advantage. A quality side chick will provide you w/ a peaceful alternative for women your wife is driving you crazy.

[Qdbrown]

People don't understand pre-nups. They sound good, but a future judge can opt to deny them later on citing any number of issues, and in most cases if the pre-nup is missing a sunset date, it's often all together rejected when it comes time to eveulate it by a court. Essentially feel good, and maybe effective in the first seven to ten years. After that, worthless.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

I'm not only ok, I want one.

Relationships are great, but they're statistically likely to fail. It's only prudent to make sure both parties are defended and prepared for a separation in case it happens.

If a relationship can't survive getting a prenup, I know it wouldn't survive marriage.

[Shayyyy1]

For sure you don't know what will happen down the road. God forbid anything from happening but that 1% chance is possible. Relationships after divorce can get ugly not a lot of them remain friends and the kids if they have any get the short end of the stick. So I do think its necessary but if you believe in urself to stay together till dead do you part, no need too but personally would not because I don't trust the person but a lot of external factors.

[DEondeBeaumont]

But what if you feel like he owes for the housework or childcare you provided for him? Do you think he owes some kind of payment package for you giving him five years of your life taking care of his needs? Just maybe five years of payments of payment, and then he can move on? Or you think it's okay if he just walks away with everything.

[SolitarySolace]

I don’t trust women.


All 4 of my ex gfs cheated on me.


One woman in college falsely accused me.


If I were to ever feel the need to marry, I would absolutely get a prenup. If she refuses, we would end things immediately. I would feel no regret.

[242plusInfinity]

NO.
Just don't get a legal marriage then. Why would a person say I do (I will never end this relationship) and then get a prenup... I don't think people understand commit. They should just go ahead and get a unique nonlegal marriage and define it as they see fit. Traditional marriage does not fit them.

[Fuentes]

When the woman takes all your money, alimony, chuld support and even goes as far as taking off a liability off you. Then you will be singing a different tune. Divorce rates are predominately started by women in stats, so you can't blame MEN for being safe.

[Chazmatazz269]

Some states have started enforcing common law marriage again in order to close that “loophole”. As a man, you WILL pay for trusting a woman. But this is the “patriarchy”. Ell oh ell!

[cth96190]

Here in Australia, the Family Law Act was amended to cause pre-nuptual agreements to have no legal standing.
The only way that men here can protect themselves is to not play the game.
MGTOW monk.

[Anonymous]

Prenups don't really offer any protection for men because they are often thrown out in court. They do not make marriage any less risky for men.

The only things that will make marriage appealing to men again is for the legal system to become much less gynocentric and for women to become much less selfish.

Do we think that is going to happen anytime soon? I don't.

[Lynn7dsd]

not really... however, i would understand if it was a famous person worth 100,000,000$ because they would need to protect themselves. Or if their family was worth a lot of money, I would understand.

[Blackcupcake]

hmmm…
I’m not sure… I would like for my partner and I to have full trust in each other… a prenup feels like there is not complete trust there, so it would make me feel weird for sure. I’m not sure if I would agree to it.

[H8INCHES]

Complete trust takes years to establish.

[Levin]

This seems to be a uniquely American phenomenon.

If you're getting into marriage conceding divorce, then you probably shouldn't be getting married.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Not really. I just think they don't seem to do a great job at protecting anybody and they probably prevent you from easily deciding between yourselves how to split everything up.

[MementoMori_]

That's why I'll never get married because I am rich but would be completely turned off if I had to ask her to sign a prenup. And I wouldn't get married without one. So it's a Catch 22.

[HighValue]

Yes, that is the only way I would ever consider marriage. I get to keep my house, car, money, and all of my stuff that I worked for and earned.

[DizzyDesii]

Its a must. Whats mine is mine, whats his is his. The only thing that should be “ours” is the house, bills and kids

[DEondeBeaumont]

I only want you to take my dead presidents. You what I do it for.

[242plusInfinity]

Just don't get a legal marriage then. Why would a person say I do (I will never end this relationship) and then get a prenup... I don't think people understand commit and which they should just go ahead and get a unique nonlegal marriage and define it as they see fit. Traditional marriage does not fit them.

[DizzyDesii]

@DEondeBeaumont lmao 👏
@242plusinfinity Nope i want a legal marriage with boundaries. Everything in life should have boundaries.

[242plusInfinity]

There are no boundaries but the ones you set up in your heart; did I not just explain so. Don't be fooled young one. If you need the law for such things you are doomed because the boundaries of the heart are the only ones that matter. If you wish for a legal marriage by all means have one but don't do so out of fear. Perhaps our philosophies are the complete opposite. You believe in the law and I believe in the belief system, in neural wiring, in awareness; the foundation of a person. I see criminals in jail but I never see truly good people in jail. Rare the truly good are, nevertheless it remains so. Security is an inside job. And I told you this. Did you not understand? Your husband waits for you all the time. He cares not about which marriage you desire but he waits for you.

[DizzyDesii]

@242plusInfinity i agree, i prefer the belief system as well. But i still want a preacher to marry us at least, even if not in a church. Injust assumed that would mean i have to get a marriage license and so on

[TroyDT]

@242plusInfinity Because the third party in the marriage, the government, does not require that the commitment be fulfilled. And the reality is that a LARGE % of the "vows" are broken, so it is only prudent to have insurance against the eventuality.

[TroyDT]

If you have substantially greater assets than your partner and are unwise enough to marry under current law, then "Yes" get a VERY WELL-WRITTEN prenup crafted by an experienced attorney.

[YollyM]

Yes, I'd rather utilise the prenup that I put down terms for and signed than find myself adhering to the one the government has in place, no thank you.

[Smashingdoozy]

If I ever changed my mind about marriage sure

[CAPTAIN-OBVIOUS]

Who is your boyfriend in the cover pic?

[Smashingdoozy]

I don't have a boyfriend

[genericname85]

No. I demand a prenup. And she won't gaslight me into believing it means i don't love her. If she's not planning to fuck me over, she can sign a prenup no problem.

[bolverk]

Personally Yes, at my time of life I want to keep what I have.

But there is no way I'd be getting married - for a man getting married is a negative sum game.

[Msputiton]

I would but it would also make me concerned, because they are planning for it to fail, like they expect it to.

[Chazmatazz269]

There’s no point. Prenups are wholly ignored every day in the US.

[HaveNoName]

Marriage is a social contract. It is a written social contract. It has nothing to do with trust. Life does not stay perfect. Life NEVER goes as planned or imagined.

[Twalli]

Pretty much pointless since my girlfriend makes so little. I male nothing now, but I am working on changing that. If I do change it, I will make a lot more than her, but to me money is just a means to an end.

[Drumlin2001]

If we dealt with custody of kids in same document, fixing at 50/50, I wouldn't have a problem.

[Aerolyn]

Yerp, I would ever to be married that is going to be required.

[Anonymous]

It should come standard. Then if a married couple wants to truly be married, they can remove it after a few years. This would prevent all the marriage abuse in the legal system that’s been going on.

[Fuentes]

All men should prenup, and do it in a state where It will be held up in court. Where there is no loop holes.

[msc545]

No. Waste of time and money since Judges ignore them or invalidate them all the time. I am not stupid enough to get married which is the best protection.

[legalboxers]

best way to avoid any issues and hassles - and any other form of unneeded ligation since its in black and white.. you leave with what you had - and I leave what I had. 50/50

[exitseven]

My wife and I were both broke when we got married and it was a big joke to us.

[Staximus]

I don't have shit, but she can't have my Suburban, guns, knife collection, or any of my barbeques hahaha

[CallmeTheKnight]

Prenuptials ultimately protects you from the government.

[Anonymous]

Actually I'd prefer it. I have a lot to lose. And if she's not only willing to agree to a prenup. But it's HER IDEA! Then I know she really want to marry me for me and not my assets.

[OddBeMe]

Its worthless unless there's enough to protect, which few of us have. And judges can toss them.

[H8INCHES]

With the attitude most people seem to have towards marriage, I would like to see it be required. Then it can be dropped after 5 or 10 years.

[Anonymous]

If he wanted to, of course, I don't see a need for it, however.

[Jenny-Marie]

Lack of trust is hardly a basis for a good relationship.

[Anonymous]

Nah. You’re basically guaranteeing a divorce by signing a failure contract. If you’re in it for better or for worse then act like it.

[douride2]

If he's ok with it so am I.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

Nowadays Absofuckinglutely!

[dustybiker]

Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

duh. it's the only way.

[Avicenna]

Absolutely

[Chaser3232]

I’m not in it for the only, I have my own!

[Jamie05rhs]

Yes! I am Pro- prenup!

[MrTaboo]

My wife signed one for me.

[Anonymous]

Yes, in fact I would expect it.

[AnonUse]

Yes it would possibly save a lot of money

[duttyjamagyal]

Of course

[JesseJayNeak]

Heck yeah.