+1 yActually, I used to doubt prenups, but now I am a believer.
A neurotic ex-wife insisted on one. I initially wondered about it, like, isn't it a built in self-destruct device to a marriage? But I went along.
Eight years later, she is doing much better having finished her nursing school (although she will be paying off student loans for years to come), and she is just vaguely dissatisfied, and she can't conceive, and so she wants a divorce.
It turned out the prenup saved my house, my assets and my retirement accounts, the debt for her school was still on her, and the prenup made the separation no muss and no fuss. Good luck to her finding fulfillment with someone else, as she will likely accuse him of all sorts of things he never did as well, and she will blame him for not filling the voids in her life. I can't fault her for doing my wrong financially, on the contrary, she was downright beneficial there.00 Reply
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Never ever ever , enter into a marriage if one has far less in assets than another WITHOUT a prenup , you simply cannot take that risk.
Other than that , just never marry anyone who is poor or poorer than you , these are the only options. But , you just can't take the chance of marrying below you Status WITHOUT a prenup. Its just like any business , treat it seriously , and always remember at least 50% will fail.
Thats why a prenup is required for ANYONE marrying down ( Still not never a good idea ) .02 Reply- +1 y
You should get a prenup even if you have the same amount of money.
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@Jamie05rhs sure , probably yes , I can't upvote your answer
+1 yBest to draft and sign a prenuptial while you're still lovey dovey and not hurt/angry/ being a vindictive penny pinching miser.
If someone cheats, they should know exactly how much 'getting caught' will cost them. If someone sacrifices their career for the family, the provider should be willing to acknowledge what it costs to raise a family. If someone just gives up on the relationship for no reason (no fault divorce) and it's not mutual, that person should know the cost of killing someone's happily ever after.
I think folks that talk about what's at stake if they divorce may be more likely to stay together. Because $$$$$ in the back of your head says you should try. You should try to be a better person or you should try to avoid expensive temptations.15 Reply- +1 y
I mostly agree with this, except that I think it should be discussed when you're both feeling neutral towards each other lol. If you know what I mean. Like during an argument or something. That way you can both have a clear head and not be blinded by the romantic feelings.
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@Jamie05rhs I don't think there is a neutral in love. You either harbor and implement goodwill and generosity. Or you act out for your own personal best financial outcome at the expense of your partner (which then often creates a self-defeating prophecy).
When making a prenuptial agreement, both partners have to feel that they are with a fair and generous person. What is fair is subjective because you can probably argue it any amount of ways. Is fair 50/50, is fair income split, how is debt split if income differs, how much does 8k matter to a 30k income compared to an 80k income? What is a fair and reasonable standard of comfort? Any agreement where either party leaves feels potentially 'screwed over' is not a neutral one. Parties must see each other as equally generous. - +1 y
@Xoxocutekitty I'm not talking about general overall attitudes. I'm talking about momentary emotions. There are ups and downs in every relationship, and there are certainly times where you are going to feel more in love than other times.
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And no; I completely disagree. When writing a prenup, that should be at the point where you think your boyfriend/girlfriend is an asshole.
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And no, of course you're not going to LEAVE the negotiations feeling screwed over. You should come into it feeling that way, but you should leave feeling secure and like you have gained armor to protect yourself against the enemy (in case Mr. Hyde (or Mrs. Hyde) becomes a reality.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI just read a hilarious reddit article about a couple that did this when she wasn't making much money and he was and they never discussed their finances outside of joint rent payments. Then she started making a lot of money which he found out when she bought a car outright and he wanted to ditch the pre-nup, and she was like, YOU wanted the pre-nup dummy.
Anywho, I would sign one. Why not? Marriage is a contract after all anyway, so what is one more that could actually help to protect your assets should you break up because in this day and age with divorce rates on par with marriage rates, you'd be more or less a fool not to.20 Reply
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u +1 y"It would be like the other person is acknowledging there’s a chance it won’t work out." Regardless of whether you acknowledge it, there is a possibility that it won't work out. I think it is more healthy to acknowledge the potential problems in a marriage and to address them directly.
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^This guy is a lawyer who has handled divorce cases. He knows what he's talking about.
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@Jamie05rhs I have reviewed a few pre-nuptial agreements with clients. In every case, the couple was young and one of them had an expectation of eventually inheriting significant wealth from a parent or grandparent. It was always the parents/grandparents who were pushing for the pre-nuptial agreement.
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@OlderAndWiser The adult in the room is sometimes the adult in the room, literally.
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@Jamie05rhs MAny people don't understand that pre-nuptial agreements, when properly written and exected, will control decisions regarding division of assets and alimony in a divorce, but they have no binding effect on decisions regarding child custody, visitation, and child support.
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@OlderAndWiser That's probably because the courts need to have the ability to assess who is the better parent. At that point, it's not about what the husband wants or what the wife wants. The children's interests come first.
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That is the explanation. 100% correct.
A prenuptial agreement is a requirement for me to ever consider marriage. Even then, she would have to be something really special to marry her.
I'd want it to include me keeping my home (I'd make all house payments because I would keep it 100% mine), my vehicles with my name on them, financial accounts/investments, electronics, gaming stuff, books, movies, tools, firearms/weapons, appliances, and any pets that I purchased.
Each person can have their own separate account they keep their own money in and a joint account to pay other bills from (or just agree who pays which bills). That way is one person is more of a saver and the other is more of a spender, they won't spend the money the other one is working for and trying to save.
Credit card accounts would be kept separate too in the prenup.00 Reply
+1 yI get it when one person has more assets than the other, wanting it. If your both fairly equal, I do not understand the need there. I would sign it, but I also have a life hoping for the best but planning for the worst.
If you do not plan for the worst, IF it happens your screwed. Some will say planning for the worst means your expecting it to happen, I disagree. I am just being prepared for something I hope will never happen.20 ReplyYeah I would.
It's one of those things like agreeing how you two are going to pay for a date night before you actually go out. It isn't the actually result of what you agree to, so much as it is taking this debate out of the experience. Now you just get to enjoy the date without the awkward moment of her expecting you to pay and you expecting you each to pay for yourselves. (The latter of which I think should be the default in nearly all cases.)10 ReplyI would not marry without one.
Any proper grownup ought to acknowledge that a relationship may not work out.
If they can't do that, I'd frankly think they are not emotionally mature enough to marry in the first place.30 Reply
+1 yMe and my husband signed a prenup. We love each other very much, we want to stay together forever, we both imagine getting old with each other.
but we talked about it and we agreed that realistically, we don’t know the future. I’ve heard of couples getting divorced after being together for 30+ years. When they got married that couple thought they were gonna be together forever too. We WANT to be together forever but we can’t 100% guarantee that we will be, especially since we got married so young.
It’s not like either of us own property or have a ton of money anyways but we were like “eh whatever”12 Reply
Asker+1 yI think meant to say you and your wife
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So I’m not allowed to answer the question because I’m married to a guy? Lol that’s not very cash money of you
when we got married I had one.
There is a large disparity between incomes and her spending habits, so we put x amount into a joint account each month, and that covers the house payment, insurance, taxes food etc.
The rest of what we each have is theirs to do whatever each of us want to do with it.
No arguments over money at all.
She is fine with it, as well as I.10 Replyi don't plan on marriage, but sure, prenup is just good sense in this day and age.
but maybe thats because i tend to err more towards pessimism rather than optimism.37 Reply
Asker+1 yWhy don’t plan on it
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you're thinking of a wedding hun
You can get married, without having a wedding, people do it all the time
But, i HIGHLY suggest prenups - +1 y
Technically, you're right but, officially no, that's not true
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What are your thoughts on a small little ceremony where it is:
1. The couple
2. The parents
3. The officiant
And no one more. There is also no paper signed because it really is just a piece of paper and if someone really needs a piece of paper to feel like their union is valid this seems kinda strange
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+1 yPrenups do not mean IT won't WORK OUT. Prenups are just a backup plan in case IT DONT WORK OUT. He better sign with me otherwise i wouldn't marry him
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@Nohxxc no i am not. I have no idea who you are but i clearly have years saved up and thats something im not looking to lose
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@Nohxxc no. Rich men expect you to do things if you want money from them. Fck that. I got my own stash
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@Nohxxc my ex wanted to be in control and promised me monetary gifts. Not my style at all. I can't be bought. Plus im too bossy to passup being in control
+1 yOf course.
I brought it up to my fiance and offered to sign one, he was surprised and had to explain that he 100% sure he won't need it with me.111 Reply- +1 y
Anyone 100% sure of the future is an idiot
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@Anonuser838383
You dont know him well enough to call him an idiot. - +1 y
Thats ironic because you implied he knew other girls well enough to know you're different than them
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Yeah.
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Sorry. He's still an idiot.
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@Jamie05rhs agree. If he knows the future he should play the lotto.
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@Jamie05rhs
@bamesjond0069
He's not. I just feel sad none of you have met a woman you can trust or even feel a woman can be trustworthy. Good luck with that. - +1 y
So you think men marry women they dont trust? Every guy getting married thinks its going to work out and their girl is special and different... and more than half of them are wrong. So knowing that, even if you trust a girl, you are a complete moron to not carefully consider what will happen if it doesn't work.
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@bamesjond0069 You're 100% correct. But I was just going to let it go. I don't want to give them negative vibes.
@SkyCastle90 I wish you the best in your relationship. I sincerely hope that you don't prove us right. - +1 y
@bamesjond0069
I can't reason with generalizations and bitterness; but it's no excuse to insult an individual you know nothing about.
@Jamie05rhs
Thanks for the well wishes!
I get it, bros got to stick together against The Legion of Female Tyranny that is looming over men everywhere; what woman can be trusted and where can a man turn if not to their fellow men in arms. Stay strong soilder. - +1 y
Soldier* lol
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yAs would I put on a helmet when being in a construction yard or riding a motorcycle.
Or putting on the seatbelt when being in an automobile or airplane.
Or wear protective goggles when grinding with power tools, welding or cutting onions.
Or cover all my orifices when aerial health hazards are detected.
In short: I am not an idiot.00 ReplyAs a practical matter yes, sure. Especially since I own my own businesses.
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+1 yIf you're still thinking that your potential spouse isn't going to love you, or is even capable of effectively stealing your belongings, you should not be marrying them.
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Love blinds you.
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@Jamie05rhs So, if you don't wanna be blind, don't have a wife?
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@Sargentcaptain I believe that has to be the dumbest thing I have ever seen written or spoken on the Internet. And I've been on the internet since like 1995.
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@Jamie05rhs I just don't understand entering a marriage, something you'd think would by definition necessitate you to give your spouse all the trust and love you have, just so that you could get a piece of paper saying 'yeah, fuck you, this is gonna go to shit'.
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@Sargentcaptain Ronald Reagan said "Trust, but verify."
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@Jamie05rhs Why does a politicians shitty mantra about nuclear weaponry have any relevance here. Especially since asking for a prenup is obviously a sign of distrust and disrespect.
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The point went completely over your head. I guess I can't help you. 🤷
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Distrust is like the one thing you really should not have in a relationship, let alone marriage.
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By signing a legal agreement together, you get rid of the possibility of mistrust. Because you both know exactly what will happen.
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That is the most backwards logic I've ever seen.
I would want a prenup
Nothing against the other person, I’ve just seen the bad side of good people and I’d rather prevent that early20 Reply
+1 yIt’s the only way I’d ever consider getting married if at all ever
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+1 yUh, no, it's not. If either party has substantial assets on the outset of a marriage and wants to protect them, any reluctance by the other party is a giant red flag.
You don't leave a marriage financially enriched unless you contributed.00 ReplyYes, any person not demanding a prenup is a fool or a loser since they clearly haven't accomplished anything on their own. so I expect both to sign each others prenup.
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u +1 yI did not get one, I never planned to get one, and I would never counsel or encourage anyone to get one.
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+1 yI don’t plan on ever getting married but hypothetically speaking yes
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+1 yYeah I'd sign one. If my partner made a bunch of money and was worried I was dating her for that, then this is an easy way to earn that peace of mind.
10 ReplyIf she brought a lot of wealth to the marriage, I would. If I had committed my life to this woman some amount of compensation would be included in it.
00 ReplyNo, but I understand if others want to get one. It is not something common in my culture though.
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+1 yIf u r going to marry, prenup is the first thing in todays generation
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+1 yDonald Trump says without one he would have been screwed. Sadly I live in Ireland and the law is more pro woman than any other place on earth so I don't think it matters here.
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Asker+1 yIt’s also very pro killing babies these days
851 opinions shared on Marriage & Weddings topic. My wife and I were both broke when we got married. We made a big joke about it.
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@exitseven Did you get one?
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@Jamie05rhs no, we just laughed about it.
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Oh. Okay
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThere is no way I would get married without one, and any woman who has a problem with signing one is eliminated from consideration.
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+1 yI'd sign a prenup as a contingency plan in case the relationship backfires.
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Yep. That's exactly what it's for.
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+1 yThere's ALWAYS a chance it won't work out! Open your eyes, dumbass! Don't be a fool.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yNo. I wouldn't think of getting married or living together in an LTR (common law/automatic marriage). Im the type of guy who was meant to be a bachelor forever.
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+1 yThat tells me right up front that some one is not all in
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Nah that tells me that if he doesn't sign it then he has ulterior motives and potential gold digging vindictive ways
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@DizzyDesii Exactly. If someone DIDN'T want to sign it, I would doubt their commitment to the relationship.
Anonymous(18-24)+1 yHell yes. lol I plan on getting one whenever I marry
20 ReplyHell yeah I would, everything will be separate.
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+1 yI would insist on one.
10 ReplySure would, even tho I don't have much.
00 Replyprenups often get thrown out
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Asker+1 yHoww
what is a prenup by the way?
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+1 yi am not sure it depends on many things.
00 ReplyIt's only logical
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+1 yI would
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yI already have.
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+1 yNo..
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