Why do men friendzone attractive women?

[Anonymous]

I know I’m an attractive woman. My personality is pretty good I’d say, decent job, in shape and yet I like a guy who friendzoned me..

What are the reasons men friendzone a woman that even their friends enjoy the company of?

[WonderBell99]

I don’t think anyone has mentioned this till now, but sometimes, I find myself not being attracted to conventionally attractive people. It happens. There is a difference between acknowledging that someone is attractive and being attracted TO them.

Were you friends with him before you started thinking of him romantically? He might not be in the right head space for a relationship at the moment. Sometimes, for whatever reason it may be, some people are just not ready yet.

He might also feel like you are not his type… and that’s fine, because not everyone can be everyone’s type. For example, I’ve not been into some guys because I felt like their personality was not compatible with mine. I’ve been frienzoned by a guy I really liked because he thought of me as his little sister. Ouch, that hurt!

You should also keep in mind to not let this one rejection faze you or bring down your self confidence. You can be close to perfect and there might be men who may not want to date you… and that’s okay.

You should be glad that he didn’t string you along! Some guys do that and it only prolongs the inevitable heartache. There is ALWAYS going to be someone who really really wants to date you.

[Anonymous]

Well it’s great you are self confident about your appearance. But everybody has their types and it’s no guarantee the guy will feel attracted to you. And yes straight guys who usually are more flexible (given dating is harder for most of them) still have preferences.

So it could besides you just not being his type it could be one or more of the following:

• He might feel intimidated because you are out of his league. Many attractive women use their looks for disingenuous purposes (making the guy they really like jealous). In rare but not impossible scenarios she will go as far as having sex with the guy just get “mental revenge” against someone else. Some guys are happy to take the lay knowing they are being used. Others can’t accept it.
• There something about personality, viewpoints, attitude, etc. that he finds a major turn off. Again much less likely for an attractive woman to get rejected because of her personality than vice versa but it happens.
• He has had some very bad past experiences with women. Doesn’t mean he is “gay” but some men are messed up here for deep reasons.
• He might be gay. This is usually the ace hole in once assumption that a woman uses when she can’t believe a guy would friéndzone/reject her. But unless it’s confirmed don’t go with that. Very insulting to straight guys who have other issues like I mentioned above.

Anyway the friéndzone sucks and while I don’t envy your experience at least you can see that it plainly exists (contrary to what feminists claim). I would respect yourself and stop contacting him. If you stick around you might have the agonizing experience of seeing him date someone else. Really not a fun place to be in.

[D-Pad_Chad]

"I know I’m an attractive woman." Sings of narcissistic tendency.

"My personality is pretty good" sounds like you have doubts. Also looks and personality are quantified by others, not by your own metrics

"decent job" no man on Earth cares about a woman's job or finances when it comes to relationships.

What's "in shape"? Rounds a shape. How much do you weigh/height?

Men friend zone outright based on looks. Not that she is or isn't attractive, but she might not be his body type or some other physical preference.

Beyond that comes personality, if her personality is shit or even just okay guy's will be lukewarm.

Her mouth, does she know when to shut up. I know it sounds harsh, but a lot of women are rude, belligerent and disruptive. Some even do it subconsciously.

Now say the stars align and your perfect on the aforementioned, congratulations you qualified for booty calls. 😆

For a real relationship you'll need to provide him with peace, companionship, show femininity, listen, and something many have hated me saying, but be willing to cook and clean for him.

It sounds like a lot, but it'd make you stand out over most women. Up to you if you want to do any or all.

Also a last thing, your at the 30s so if he wants children you guys might have issues there as well, but that's between y'all.

[Asker]

I’m definitely not a narcissist, but I do know I’m not ugly. I’m confident.

I would like to say I have a great personality, but I feel that’s a little too cocky. I don’t have any doubts.

And men I have met want an educated woman making decent money that I have met.

I’m 5’3, 141 lbs workout regularly weightlifting and have have biceps that can compare to mode average men and a huge ass.

I’m not judgement , speak when spoken too, supportive, and almost if of my male friends think the issue is that I give off bro vibes.. not enough fem vibes.

Unfortunately.. I don’t even qualify for a booty call for him. May e 30 is an issue , but he’s 35

[femalenpc]

Yeah, but how can you prove that you actually typed words? Maybe they're numbers, or maybe nothing? Have you ever considered that? Or maybe you're the type of guy who thinks he can do no wrong and doesn't accept other perspectives. I'll bet you are.

[D-Pad_Chad]

Thank you for the info. Helps get a better grasp on the why's.

So it's not weight, given you said you're athletic.

Assuming your telling the truth on everything, and I've no reason to doubt you, your bro vibes and lack of femininity might be what's causing you to not stand out. When you go out with guys what do you wear? Do you do your hair, etc...

Also when in conversation you say you speak when spoken to, so I'll assume you're not trying to commandeer conversations, that's good!

I will say a majority of men, regardless of your circle, don't care about money made by women they look to, but that point isn't very relevant to your situation I think. Still good to know as some men even see women who focus on their career or finances as a possible 🚩 reason being is guys know they don't get that money, so all it does is set a bar for them to jump. And paints you more as a competitor in the relationship rather than a partner. Finances are worth talking about, but if I were you I wouldn't make it a selling point on my dating resume.

Contrary to popular belief, men don't only think with with their third leg 😆 I myself wouldn't date past 32 because I want to start a family. Nor would I want to date a woman with a high body count. Not sure if either applies to your situation, but food for thought.

And I'd never do a one night stand, I want a relationship, maybe you give off party girl vibes?🤷‍♂️ also feminine isn't dressing provocative, met more then a few women who didn't know the difference.

Also, and I know it might be a bit shocking, your friend might not be looking to date. A lot of men find it too risky to date/approach anymore, especially higher value men. You might have to lower your standards if the bar is too high, but I don't know what you're after to say either way.

Hopefully some of this helps you, I took a broad approach because I'm not entirely sure why you're being friend zoned myself beyond femininity or high standards, maybe.

[Cynicaldreamer]

The simple answer is he's not attracted to you in a romantic way.


I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but just because you're attractive, have a nice personality, and doing well, is subjective in the dating world.


Meaning what's attractive to one guy isn't for another guy.
I'm far from attractive and I get friendzoned by men all the time! To the point it where it doesn't even phase me anymore.


My point is, don't let it bother you. Just because he doesn't think you're his type, another guy is probably glad he friendzoned you and will happily date you!

[Luopio27]

I agree 100%

[ManOnFire]

Looking at this question initially, I didn't think this could be true, until I realized how I guess I friendzoned my own beautiful female friend. She's very attractive and guys are always going after her, but I'm just not into her like that. Her personality isn't attractive to me for a relationship, but she's a great person to be around as friends. She's almost like family.

[Summeroflove]

Because they’re not into you for one reason or another. Not everyone is going to be into you. Plus some guys are taken.

I’m attractive. Didn’t always think I was. But I know. Not all women are into me either.

[Avicenna]

They probably don't think a relationship would work out. I would say that this is very unusual. But at least they're honest enough to friendzone rather than halfheartedly dating you.

[jennifer_bloom]

I will friendzone an attractive guy if he is not my type, physically or personality wise.

[lucas262]

No man. Ever. Ever at all cares what job you have Period. It dosnt effect how attractive you are to men.

Vs as a woman you don't want to be with the janitor you want the guy who owns the office. But a man won't care if a cute woman is a janitor.
It is what it is.

Why would a man friend zone an attractive woman?

Ask yourself how many men your rejected.
Me personally I'd assume right upfront I'd be rejected. By the average girl. Much more the case with a ,, hot,, girl.

I'd assume she has a lot of better looking, richer men giving her attention and how could I possibly compete?

I have baggage and am afraid to start any relationship carrying it.

Most very attractive women get a LOT of sexual attention from men.
I like to break stereotypes, so I wouldn't bring it up I'd try to gasp treat her like a normal person so it would never immediately be romantic attention.

And iv confided in the wrong people before and my confidence and ego got destroyed by the people I trusted the most so I ask myself if I really am as big of a fuckwit and a bastard as they say I am or am i not? So confidence goes out the window.

I don't know how well any guys here can relate but that's essentially why I'd avoid a very attractive womanm

[femalenpc]

You make an excellent point. Bear in mind that people only look as hot as their egos tell them they look. Date a medium-tier ego, that's what's important.

[cryscrys1]

It can be anything
He is into Indonesian women like shit happens. We don’t know the reason. It can be anything.
It’s not like there is something wrong with you. We all have our positive and negative traits. I’m
sure he also has his negative things too.. no one is perfect.
Also you don’t have to be friends with him. If you asked him and he said no I like you as a friend. Don’t stay as his friend. Because then you will questions your personality and you as a being. You are perfect as you are so skip things that do not appreciate you first time. And find someone who matches your energy as you are , beautiful and educated. And accepts you as soon as you ask them..

[OpenClose]

Do we? I don't hear about this much. As far as I'm concerned, if any of my girl friends are always up for consideration. If you aren't under consideration, it's only because I don't find you attractive. But if you became attractive later, boom! back on the list.

I don't really have "zones" and certainly not ones girls could get "stuck" in based on some first impression that locks you in one way or the other.

A friend of mine I find quite attractive, but she is asexual, doesn't like people, and has a grudge against men. So like... that would just be a stressful time... so I avoid actively pursuing it. But from a passive perspective, still open to it, so she's not zoned anywhere. Every girl I know is constantly being reassessed based on who she currently is, so my feelings change as she does.

[casey74]

Good answer

[lightbulb27]

It could be about them, or could be about how you carry yourself.

Would need more information to make a judgement.

I've "deflected" attractive (or somewhat), available, successful women before. It was for my own reasons. I could come up with excuses for each. He could be hooked on someone else, ashamed, unconfident, or something about you "puts him off".

I hate to tell you this, but there are women whom get sufficient dates, marriages, 2nd and 3rd marriages. It isn't all looks... dating is a sales, communication, and kinda a game. Ditto for guys. If you don't play the game well, if you can't present yourself in the right way, then your changes go way down.

So if you don't know what's going on, then it's time you start studying how things work...

[TenderFantasy]

1. Closet gay.

2. Not attracted to you specifically (unfortunately, beauty can be relative. I've seen countless examples in real life where I think: "Why is he with her?" when he's like, at least a 7 or 8, and she'd be lucky to be called a 2 to 4! No offense!

3. His life is too tense right now for a relationship, whether it be because of a personal family, health, job issue and yeah, some people like that are still in relationships but for some, the added stress of a relationship is too much for them, especially with what they are going through.

4. Want to keep his options open (in case someone better comes along), because hashtag, he is EGOTISTICAL that way!

There's probably more but these are the general reasons I have observed in my life. Good luck!

[RangerBlue22]

1. Closeted gay.

Of course you list that as the first reason why in your list.

From my observations women are generally worse then men when it comes to handling rejection (unless they are unattractive and used to it). But it really throws semi attractive to attractive women for a loop when it happens. Their egos just can’t handle it.

How often do you see men saying “oh she rejected me so she must be a lesbian”. Nowadays almost never. Men would never get away with question a female’s sexuality if they get turned down.

[RavVid]

Some of us are wary of highly attractive women that are out of our league. Often the attractiveness is used to manipulate but some beautiful women are equally beautiful on the inside so that isn't universal by any means.

Sometimes I will think a woman is technically beautiful but she doesn't create that spark of interest in me. That is a hard one to explain at any deeper level but it might be the way her body flows, it might some remark she makes, some small act of kindness.

Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting your body is not good, or what you say is bland or that you aren't kind or are manipulative. None of that.

But somehow that spark of interest didn't strike. It is not to say it doesn't strike tomorrow or next week. Some of us like to observe/evaluate for a while

[EvoEyeris]

I asked myself the same question. I dont think im unattractive I can hold a conversation etc. but I get rejected all the time. It’s a little different because I am guy and guys on average get rejected more than women. But I don’t think anyone can tell you why you’re getting rejected other than yourself. If it was just a few guys that rejected you then they just weren’t interested. But if it is a lot of guy rejecting you, there is something wrong. You need to change something, look within and ask yourself what can I provide to a guy that most women can’t. If there isn’t much to that list find out things you can add to it and work on yourself. Ask family and friends for things that they think you should work on. I always used to ask, whats wrong with women instead of whats wrong with me. Im not saying change your whole personality for a man. Im saying become the best version of yourself and the man you need will find you.

[Jamie05rhs]

Also, sometimes it's not any positive things that she doesn't have, but it's a negative thing that she does have. She could be turning the guy off in some way. And he's just too polite to say anything.

[Kreneman]

There's many reasons why men friend zone attractive women, Number One, there are some men that are intimidated by the women and feel they can't compete with the woman, Two, some men don't want a relationship because they are not ready and they just want to have sex (fling) and will not risk it because of fear of rejection or respect, or they value your Friendship; Three, some men know that your not there type or their type but enjoy your company, Four, some men are not straight or curious, Five, some men doesn't find you attractive like that even though you are attractive, Six, some men are already taken but they keep it confidential, and Seven, fear of rejection.

[bamesjond0069]

"decent job" this leads me to believe you have an attitude and have positioned yourself in such a way some men won't be interested in you.

Personally I'm 35 and run my own successful portfolio of investments. Usually I get doctors lawyers professional women in their 30s interested in me romantically. However my girlfriend is 20 and once worked in retail for a few months. Lmao. But from my perspective someone 30 with a good job would not be someone I'm interested in for a serious relationship. Im looking for someone who doesn't use their career success to get a man but their femininity.

What about casual? Maybe but I'd be hesitant if she was in my friend group or work sphere or seemed like she was only interested in serious because I don't shit where I eat or invite drama into my life.

Hope that gives you one possible idea of why a man might not be interested in you

[Jamie05rhs]

I agree with bamesjond's first sentence here.

[Haha456]

There are a lot of guys out there who wouldn't date a girl unless she has a decent job. Believe it or not. We no longer live in an era where housewives are affordable

Secondly i doubt any successful woman with an intelligent decent head on her shoulders would be interested in a low quality man like you.

[bamesjond0069]

@Haha456 housewives are easily affordable to successful men. Maybe you should hang out with more successful people in life.

[Haha456]

@bamesjond0069

even successful men have a hard time supporting housewives. Even a 200k salary is mediocre when you have a wife and 3 college educations to pay for along with the rising prices of food.

and plus, successful men like smart women. Not dumb bimbos looking to leech off of him for food and free rent. if you think intelligent, well educated men like dumbasses, think again. Its been proven that people tend to marry those who are similar to them. Rich men aren't looking for beggars.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 I agree with you, except where you say that a woman needs to have a "decent" job. Not really. Any job will do. As long as I can see that she's a hard worker and responsible for herself.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

smart men like a woman with a decent job because it shows she is responsible, smart, and capable. There are a lot of men out there who aren't interested in beggars or bimbos who clean poopy toilets. They want someone who is smart.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

In movies, you might see rich men marrying poor Cinderella or maids. But in reality, very rarely do rich men marry homeless women living at shelters.

[bamesjond0069]

@Haha456 I like how you think not being a career woman means "homeless women living at shelters." I don't mind a dumb girl, but a dumb girl who is a know it all is the worst.

[Haha456]

@bamesjond0069

im not surprised you like dumb women. Dumb men tend to be attracted to dumb women. Successful men tend to be intelligent. Intelligent men tend to be attracted to intelligent women. Most intelligent men refuse to date a dumb woman.

rich men don't like beggars. i live in a rich city. Rich men over here aren't looking for homeless women or women with nothing going on for them.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 No offense, but I think it's kind of rude for you to be judging other women like that.

[bamesjond0069]

@Jamie05rhs it is rude. I mainly look for a good heart, pleasant behavior and morals... not career or education. Someone behaving as she is wouldn't even get a date. This is exactly what I'm talking about, women who think their career is so important when nobody gives a crap about it.

[Jamie05rhs]

@bamesjond0069 On that, I agree with you. 💯.

[Haha456]

@bamesjond0069

I think its time you start being honest about what you look for:
a woman in her 20s with huge tits, tiny waist and big ass is all you need.
Then once she reaches 30, you dump her for an 18 yr old girl. then the cycle continues.

you've been on here for years and I've never seen you say anything about a woman's personality. you just kept rambling and 18 yr old's ass and tits and looks.

lets me real, you're not interested in "dating". All of this is just low key prostitution.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

just because its offensive, it does not mean its not true.

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 men aren’t looking for women to be providers for them. At least not typical masculine socialized men. Nowhere in the youth, purity, beauty, loyalty, and compatible personality requirements that typical men have for a life partner is there to be found anything about a woman’s career. Are you proposing that raising a family is not a viable career option? Or are women not allowed to choose their children over self aggrandizement? I’m not asking what women should choose, because you have made that opinion clear already. Do you support their right to choose?

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

do you realize vast majority of the people under 35 nowadays simply cannot afford to have children? most young people nowadays can barely afford to buy a house.

men aren't looking for a provider but they are looking for a woman who has her life in order. Being a beggar or she can't live without a man paying her bills is a turn off to a lot of men.

[Asker]

I definitely don’t have an attitude. Most of my male friends think the issue is that I give off too many bro vibes.
Decent job though mean I’m using career success lol he has a much, much better job.. I’m just saying I don’t make minimum wage and support myself.

[Jamie05rhs]

"Being a beggar or she can't live without a man paying her bills is a turn off to a lot of men.". @Haha456 I DO agree with you on THAT!

[Jamie05rhs]

But @Sixgunsound was generally right in everything he said.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

You can't both agree with me and also him at the same time. We have completely opposite views

Begging, leeching, not being financially able to support herself, lack of intelligence is not appealling to a lot of young modern millenial men. Cleaning toilet poop at McDonald's which pays 8 dollars an hour is not going to impress any man. You dont need to be rich but you certainly need to show you are smart , have accomplished something in life and can date him without asking him for rent money

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

There are plenty of attractive young women out there who are college educated smart , has a decent job , freat personality.

Why would he pick a dumb uneducated beggar who could barely afford to pay rent?

[Haha456]

I've went out with a lot of young gen z and millenial guys. Vast majority of them have no interest in paying for every little thing. Tempirary unemployment is ok. But they see a woman who is permanently unemployed as a defective loser.

The only man who would look up to a woman like that is a misogynist

[Summeroflove]

@Jamie05rhs don’t engage with her. She’s a troll. Who has multiple accounts

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 Yes, I can agree with you both. Haha.
And you are falling for a common logical fallacy, which is construing a philosophy or point of view to be the same as a person.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 What you appear to not understand is that a woman can be modestly educated with a modest income and still be pretty and also still be a wonderful, kind, and sweet person. And also not be a gold-digger.

[Jamie05rhs]

And now you're bringing up straw-men. Because no one ever said anything about an UNEMPLOYED woman.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Summeroflove Sorry, man.

[Summeroflove]

@Jamie05rhs I can’t even see what she’s typing. I assume it’s stupid.

Remember this Jamie. You can’t reason with someone whose unreasonable. She’s alone for a reason. Trust me

[Summeroflove]

Based off her questions.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

there is no strawman, there is no illogical fallacy,

fact is, there's no reason why a man would date a beggar woman with no education, no money at all, has problems paying rent, unintelligent, cleans toilet poop all day, still asking him to help her pay for rent.

when there are plenty of young attractive girls who are intelligent, educated, has their lives in decent order, has accomplishments, can afford to do whatever she wants without begging everyone for money.

the only type of guy who would take one over the latter is a misogynist

[bamesjond0069]

@Haha456 well thats not what I call it but sure, I'd be what you call a misogynist. My girlfriend worked part time in retail for only a short time when I met her and she was close to getting fired. Lol. But she has a very good heart, similar morals, is exceptionally beautiful, is an excellent cook, very sweet and caring. Why would her ability to pay for her own house matter if I just have her live in mine? Seems unimportant.

[Haha456]

@bamesjond0069

Why would a rich man with a ton of money force the love of his life to a cleaning toilets , washing poopy diapers, standing on her feet all day in the kitchen for 6 hours a day cooking?

Because you dont love your girlfriend.
I know plenty of guys who want to treat their wives well with gifts, luxury , maids and nannies.
You just want a free personal maid and prostitute at no cost to you. You dont care if her life is hard. You dont care if her feet hurts standing all day cooking.

And most importantly of all, you want women to be below a man. Educated smart women of substance intimidates you and threatens your misogyny. The only way you can keep up your misogyny is to make sure she is nothing more than a maid and a piece of ass. Once she expires, you will be looking for a new loser to take advantage of

[Haha456]

@bamesjond0069

Another fact is, no smart decent girl with good life prospects would be interested in you. Because there's nothing about you that shows respect to a woman.

[Haha456]

Another reason why misogynists prefer their women poor, uneducated, unintelligent is because women with decent jobs can afford to leave you whenever she is dissatisfied. They can afford to pay bills on their own, they dont need you.

By being broke, uneducated, unintelligent with no skills. It makes her more controllable and easier to abuse ans manipulate

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 There you go again. Talking about beggars and people who have problems managing their money. Strawman.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

Don't get bitter just because modern men like smart girls. Its a fact. No man is gonna be more impressed by a broke, dumb girl who can't get a decent job versus an attractive smart well educated girl who has her life in order.

[Haha456]

[There you go again. Talking about beggars and people who have problems managing their money. Strawman.]

if you work at mcdonalds, you will have to beg. And you won't be able to afford rent or food in today's economy regardless of how hard you save, if you're making 8 dollars an hr.

And secondly, money is not even the main issue. The fact that you can't support yourself shows you're not intelligent or capable enough for life.

[Haha456]

Just because you like stupid girls who can't make it in life, it doesn't mean all guys like stupid girls.

[Sixgunsound]

@Jamie05rhs you see a lot of people who subscribe to a series of mark sister Hegelian dialectics conflate people with their ideas. In ideologies were people don’t matter, but the cause or the revolution do, that’s when this becomes problematic.

[Sixgunsound]

Subscribe to marxist or*

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

You can disagree all you want. But I actually have dating experience in New York City. I know what guys like. I've went out with as many as 20+ guys over the years. 90% of these college educated millennial guys don't like dumb broke uneducated girls. Only misogynists would like dumb girls. Just like how it makes up 90% of men on here.

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 so what you’re saying is your revolving door of failed relationships in one city qualify you to comment on half of the human race?

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

Because there's a good chance I'm the only one who actually goes on dates on here.

A good number of males on here are just bitter, jaded, angry, sad guys who can't get women.

I have the right to comment on what the dating scene is like because I actually have met a lot of guys over the years. More dates than you ever went on than in your lifetime.

[Sixgunsound]

And in that commentary tell people who actually are the gender in question what is they want and feel? This sounds like womansplaining to me!

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

On GAG, an unemployed woman is attractive. In the real world, no man would be impressed.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

[And in that commentary tell people who actually are the gender in question what is they want and feel? This sounds like womansplaining to me!]

here's another one of your symptoms of bitterness and hatred you have towards women.

No guy on here ever has anything positive to say. Just constant complaining and bullying of women.

Maybe if you were actually successful with women, you wouldn't be so bitter

[Sixgunsound]

Thank you for demonstrating your lack of capability to address the actual question. I would argue that your revolving door of failure detracts from your qualification status. Just like being the town bicycle decreases your desirability to quality men with options. I’m sorry that you let lots of men take advantage of what you easily give away for no return on investment, but that’s not anybody on the Internet’s fault. To properly assign blame there, I suggest you consult the nearest reflective surface.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

[And in that commentary tell people who actually are the gender in question what is they want and feel? This sounds like womansplaining to me!]

just because misogynists on here like dumb girls. it doesn't represent what guys out there think. GAG does not represent the world. Every single guy on this website is a misogynist or a woman hater.

When you walk outside, its very difficult to find a misogynist. Guys in the real world do not say derogatory things about women like you do.

The internet attracts the worst of the worst people. I've met a lot of people from the internet for many years. The internet is a trash dump for all of society's undesirables.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

[Thank you for demonstrating your lack of capability to address the actual question. I would argue that your revolving door of failure detracts from your qualification status. Just like being the town bicycle decreases your desirability to quality men with options. I’m sorry that you let lots of men take advantage of what you easily give away for no return on investment, but that’s not anybody on the Internet’s fault. To properly assign blame there, I suggest you consult the nearest reflective surface.]

a misogynist like you does not represent what the vast majority of the men in the world thinks. Most men out there are not misogynistic or dedicate all their free time talking shit about women over the internet.

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 if you shoot first is self-defense not justified? I’m sorry that you’ve wasted a lot of your life on men that aren’t worth your time because somebody hurt you. Most women would’ve learn something from that by now, and started looking a different direction, but that doesn’t really seem to be your strong suit, so you’re going to keep doing what’s called trauma reenactment. You can go ahead and say whatever you want about me, I have no emotional investment in this conversation, because you’ve demonstrated that it is not making worthwhile returns on investment. I wish you the best of luck not ending up bitter and lonely and childless. Good day.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

I think its you who have trauma. I can already see how bitter, unhappy and jaded you are.

You can't get a woman, which is why you dedicate all your free time talking shit about women online. I can tell you never say anything positive about women unless she is your maid

[Haha456]

[I wish you the best of luck not ending up bitter and lonely and childless. Good day.]

single women can having kids. single men can't have kids. you have a wayy higher chance of dying single, lonely and childless than me. I can have kids as a single woman

[bamesjond0069]

@Haha456 wtf lol

[Sixgunsound]

@bamesjond0069 I almost want to share her answers with my wife and daughters as an example of why we aren’t going to be visiting New York City. And for the kids sake more for what being a bitter, angry failure looks like. She’s actually quite instructive as an example of a woman that no man will ever be interested in, at least not the following morning🤣

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 You are so entitled. And it appears that you have no compassion for your fellow human beings. Most decent men would not want to marry a woman like you.

[Jamie05rhs]

An no; actually, people who work at McDonald's do not BEG.
SMH...

[Jamie05rhs]

@Sixgunsound Right. 👍

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 @Sixgunsound is actually MARRIED. He's had WAY more success than you! LOL!

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

just because you have a wife and daughter, it doesn't mean you can't be jaded.

misogynistic men marry other misogynistic women who have the same chauvinistic mindset as you: Women must be dumb, uneducated, maids with no career prospects in order to be wedable. Intelligent, hardworking, capable women who have decent jobs are considered unwedable.

Anyone who argues against this ideal will be persecuted.

Just the way you are trying to persecute me right now.

Guess what? not everyone is chauvinist who thinks women should be dumb, inferior and broke,, ok?

there are many guys out there who actually respect women and see us as their equal.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

so you're persecuting me for saying that vast majority of modern men (non chauvinistic) are attracted to smart girls instead of dumb ones?

its the truth. just because you are offended by it, it doesn't mean its false.

if you're more attracted to dumb broke women over smart capable girls, it shows how low your self esteem is.

i can't imagine why anyone would think being stupid is more attractive than being smart.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

[An no; actually, people who work at McDonald's do not BEG.
SMH...]

Beggar means being broke, helpless and needy which is exactly what being paid 8 dollars an hr is like. If you think this is what impresses you , it shows a lot about how low your self esteem is. Smart men like smart women. Dumb men like dumb women.

[Haha456]

Its not as much about money as it is about being dumb and incapable. By being uneducated and broke, you are showing the world how dumb and incapable you are in life. Men want something more than just a baby making machine. They want a woman who is intelligent, capable, attractive, educated, has things going on for her.

Chauvinistic men want their women to be dumb, broke and unintelligent. Because this is the way they maintain their patriarchy and sexism.

[Haha456]

And the reality is, poor people tend to marry other poor people. Rich people tend to marry other rich people. Its uncommon for a rich person to marry a poor person. It happens but its rather uncommon. Not nearly as much as you think it does.

I live in NYC, the richest financial capitals of the world, home to the stock exchange, tons of millionaires and billionaires and entrepreneurs and talented professionals in this city. I have never seen a millionaire interested in dating his maid.

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 you keep bringing up New York City like anybody outside New York City cares. That’s cool. It is precisely because you have such an overdeveloped persecution complex and one of the richest cities on earth that people don’t take you seriously.

[Sixgunsound]

In one of*

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

Dating here is extremely competitive. Everyone is smart, educated, capable , accomplished, ATTRACTIVE and skilled.

A lot of people here are rich. They're not broke chauvinistic assholes like you. I live a 8 blocks away from the New York Stock Exchange. Trust me when i say rich guys here are not interested in dating bathroom cleaners or maids. They already work around way too many educated, attractive women at their office.

[Sixgunsound]

And honestly, the only thing I think of concerning New York City, is that it’s dirty, unsanitary, and unable to handle the volume of garbage that it produces on a daily basis. The only thing I want from New York City is to increase its own waste processing capacity so that it will finally stop polluting other parts of the state with its filth.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

I think you are dirtier than NYC. An sexist chauvinistic man who would go to great lengths to shame a woman who is smart, capable, educated and works hard at her job.

This is how this whole argument began. You couldn't stand the fact that there are men out there who actually RESPECT WOMEN as their equals. There are men out there who do like smart girls.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

Women here dress fashionably in fancy high heels, wear nice suits and makeup for work. So don't say we're not attractive. I'm pretty sure we will always be more attractive than the barefooted maid in your house who stands in the bathroom all day cleaning toilets

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 I'm PERSECUTING you? That was barely even an insult. Shit-talk at best. Lol

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 i’m not sure where you get your delusions from, but you know nothing about me. And I think you for admitting defeat bye, abandoning even having a pretense of the ability to clap back. I wasn’t kidding when I wish you the best of luck, not being bitter, lonely and childless, but, based on the way, you handle setbacks and turn immediately to personal attacks, I don’t see any man being going to tolerate that for a long period it’s unfortunate that your life is such a disappointment to not only yourself but everybody around you such that you need to lash out at random strangers on the Internet to make yourself feel better. I really do feel sorry for you, and hope that you can make the necessary social and emotional changes before it’s too late.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 No; actually the majority of poor people do NOT beg.
Wow. You're so out of touch.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

you were the one who insulted me first. you were the one who said derogatory things to me first. there was absolutely nothing respectful that you said to me.

thats why i lashed out at you right back. and i have the complete right to do so.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

if you're friendly and respectful to other people, I will be friendly to you right back.

But clearly you have something huge against what I said.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

And if you think GAG (misogynist /chauvinist haven) represents all the men in the world, you're wrong. Vast majority of the men in the US are not woman haters or chauvinists who think that dumb women are more attractive than smart women. or that all women belong in the kitchen otherwise they are unwedable.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 I just take issue with you being so hateful to other women; that's all.

[Jamie05rhs]

And I don't know why you're still going on and on about that. I never said that I want a woman to be in the kitchen. I don't even believe in those BS gender roles.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

don't make random things up just because I exposed your ugly flaws.

I don't harass other women. but I do harass chauvinistic misogynistic men like you on here.

if you're gonna say derogatory things to me, I'm gonna say it back go you.

the pattern i have seen is that men typically have no problem dishing out insults but can't ever take them when its returned to them

[Sixgunsound]

@Jamie05rhs typical New York City, live tired can’t remember the beginning of her arguments at the end of it, and has to make up a bunch of things to justify her bad behavior in the interim. As much fun as this has been, I think that we’ve accomplished the exposure of the hate filled, lying, Misandrist failure, known as Haha456. Should we tell her that they aren’t laughing with her, but at her?

[Sixgunsound]

Typical NYC liberal*

[Sixgunsound]

Haha345 is about as persecuted as rep occasional-cortex is🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

you were the one who said derogatory , condescending things towards me because you couldn't stand what i said.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

Typical misogynistic chauvinist.

I'm gonna be president while your daughter will be the maid cleaning up my poop on a toilet.

tell your daughter she would lead a better life cleaning poopy toilets than being president.

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 does your minder know that you didn’t check back into the group home? Or did you escape from a more permanent placement? The reason I ask is because you’re exhibiting symptoms of multiple illusion disorders, and it would probably be better for your sake to have living arrangements in a facility that can give you the proper treatments you so desperately seem to require. Also, my fourth grade students have long since stopped saying poopy.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 I made literally nothing up.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Sixgunsound Lol

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

i see you're still trying to say derogatory things to me.

none of the bs coming out of your mouth is true. You just want confirmation that being condescending towards women should be ok.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

I'm pretty sure you did, because thats your way of attacking me.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Haha456 I don't think I have a "way" of attacking you. We just met, honey.

[Haha456]

@Jamie05rhs

you were being derogatory and also encouraging the chauvinistic woman hater to attack me.

and the thing you have to know about me is, i have no problem attacking you right back if you ever decide to be derogatory towards me. i enjoy it too

[Sixgunsound]

@Haha456 say poopy again! All kidding aside, you would be the perfect President, to unite men and women against the federal government in revolution. As entertaining as this has been watching you bluster and splutter well unable to articulate a coherent argument at even a fourth grade level has been, as well as being helpful and keeping me awake at the second full-time job I am doing today to better provide for my family, I do have to call the store close. Perhaps I can publicly humiliate you again another time? Drop me a note if you want to try again 🤠

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

I think I have done a good job publicly humiliating you today, woman hater.

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

[ As entertaining as this has been watching you bluster and splutter well unable to articulate a coherent argument at even a fourth grade level has been, as well as being helpful and keeping me]

I'm willing to bet you could barely afford to send your kids to college. YET you're on here complaining about women with jobs. haha. why do you think you're so broke?

[Haha456]

@Sixgunsound

Chauvinists on here love obsessing over housewives. Little do they realize, none of them could actually afford a housewife.

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 you’re the one who can’t find anyone. Maybe he’s a bad person too.

Sure. There are women who want to be spoiled brats and contribute nothing and sit on her ass all day.

Relationship and what works for some and others is different. There is traditional marriages that really work because they have genuine love for one another and they take care of each other and support one another in their different roles.

There is men out there who think they’re better then everyone else and throw money at some thot. But that’s a miserable relationship

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

There are FEW TO NO MILLENIAL OR GEN Z GUYS WHO STILL CARES ABOUT "TRADITIONAL WOMEN". Nobody cares about virginity, nobody cares about housewives. In fact vast majority of young people nowadays cannot even afford to have kids or buy a house. So how the fuck can they afford a housewife? By the way , everyone has casual sex nowadays especially if you go to any large modern city. People sleep with their friends, second dates, flings.

Rural suburban people like you have no real world exposure to urban cities population and what is popular there.

And just because someone is single, it does not mean nobody chases them or nobody wants them. It can also mean they have high standards nobody can fulfill. So nice try at attacking me

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

you're talking out of your ass based on your own imagination. I know you never go out to see the real world.

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 I care about virginity. So does many good men and women.

Also. I said some care about tradintonal women. Personally I’m not for it. It’s not my cup of tea.

But for some people it’s right for them. That’s all I said. It’s not your place to judge them as someone who claims to not be judgmental.

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 you think I have a goldfish memory and try to trip me up and confuse me. But I’m by far smarter then you

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

Nobody cares if you care about virginity because nowadays 95% of people dont care about that kinda stuff.

You dont know anything because you never leave your house. Common knowledge to the rest of the world is a new discovery for you

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 lol. You don’t even know who I am

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

I know you love writing elaborate tales about people you dont know and never met

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 it seems to oddly bother you though. Because if I was so far off you could simply laugh it off.

[FunnyGiy]

You go into defensive and deflective mode when I get something right. Because sometimes I might intentionally say something wrong. Just to see you react differently.

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

[ it seems to oddly bother you though. Because if I was so far off you could simply laugh it off.]

Now you're insisting your made up tale is true

Im gonna tell you its not true at all

[Haha456]

[You go into defensive and deflective mode when I get something right. Because sometimes I might intentionally say something wrong. Just to see you react differently.]

I dont think i sounded defensive or deflective at all. Because there's no reason why i would admit something that is not true

[Haha456]

Off of what evidence do you have that guys are not into me?

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 the proof is in the pudding. Because it seems like you have limited options with men. Since the men who want you aren’t your type of men.

Yet…. You can’t be the kind of woman the men you want attract.

It’s like…. You say most of the men you’re into are already taken by someone else. Why not you? Sure maybe some have been married or in a relationship for s long time (does not eeem to stop you from trying to sleep with them but there another topic and men who cheat are trash)

There is obviously a lot of great men out there. But the men who approach you or take you up on your offer. Aren’t the men you want

[Haha456]

@FunnyGiy

didn't i already tell you there was a man who i fell in love with , who also loved me back?

[Haha456]

And regarding the man who didn't like me back, they never rejected me due to me having casual sex.

[FunnyGiy]

@Haha456 but you’re not with them anymore

[Anonymous]

I say it from a girl's point. I have friendzoned a guy who is interested in me. He got offended and cut off with me. I didn't want to offend him either. I just felt him like a friend. Relationship wasn't a thought in my mind at that moment. I was looking to have healthy connection s but he misunderstood. I wanted to give relationship more time to grow. I wanted to take things slow. Let's say, from a level of friendship. He took it negative and got upset and cut me off from his life. Honestly, there wasn't anything wrong on my part. He didn't understand me enough to let friendship grow into love

[Jamie05rhs]

You probably didn't communicate your feelings and intentions very well.

[RangerBlue22]

You are young (and I am guessing the guy you rejected was going as well) so I take it you don’t really understand the real reason men get angry when a woman asks “can we just be friends”.

A mature man can accept and respect a woman’s decision to not dare him. Yeah it sucks and it’s heartbreaking and disappointing. But attraction isn’t a choice but RESPECT is.

But when a woman rejects a man and then asks to “be friends” she insulting him more than she realizes (vice versa as well). Reason being she is telling him she wants to bond with him the same way she would bond with another woman. In other words he isn’t masculine so she feels comfortable being “friends”
with him.

This is more deeply insulting to straight men than most women will ever realize. He craves respect and confidently telling him he would make a “good friend” makes him often feel like less than a man.

You might not mean that way. But that’s how it feels to most guys. So instead of asking him to be friends tell him “I need to be honest because I respect you”. That’s actually the best way to lay him down with gentle hands.

[RangerBlue22]

“ woman’s decision to not date him.”

[Sixgunsound]

@RangerBlue22 most boys and young men today don’t understand the higher order thinking you just shared with the class today. Stand up and take a bow and then get ready to be completely ignored or ridiculed. It’s lonely at the top.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sixgunsound How can I explain him that I don't mean in that way as an insult?

[RangerBlue22]

By using the words “I respect you” and “I need to be honest” instead of the word “friend” or “your sweet/nice” when telling him you are not interested in dating.

Heterosexual men may sometimes just be friendly with available women they feel attracted to. However mark my words they will never refer and consider woman he likes as a “friend”. Far from it.

Seriously how many straight guys do you ever see who refer to a woman as his “best friend”. Only exception would be a husband saying that of his wife. But no straight guy will ever be satisfied (or sane) being perpetual vicinity of a girl who rejected him knowing he will really like will never see him the same way. That’s self torture.

@Sixgunsound sad but true man. But I figure if there is a 1 in 10 chance this POV just will maybe sink in on some girl out there then I help saving some unnamed brother out there of unnecessary pain.

I said it once and I will say it again: attraction isn’t a choice but RESPECT is.

[Opinion Owner]

@RangerBlue22 I like him too. I am okay with dating him if he wants to date me. But he should ask that first instead of assuming that I am rejecting him. But I don't want to make a first move about this. How to let him know about this without making a first move from my end?

[Jamie05rhs]

"I have friendzoned a guy... I just felt him like a friend."

@Anonymous You do realize that what you just said is the opposite of what you said earlier; right?

He didn't "assume" that you rejected him. You very literally DID reject him!!

[Opinion Owner]

@Jamie05rhs I was unsure of my own feelings and want to start being his friends first then relationship. He didn't understood this. I didn't explain either. Now he's upset and have cut off with me. What should I do?

[Jamie05rhs]

I think you owe him an explanation. Obviously you didn't explain it the first time. So that's why he was confused, and that's why he got upset (Of course, he should have controlled his emotions better. However, these things happen sometimes.)

[RangerBlue22]

@Jamie05rhs I admit some young guys do not take rejection well and/or feel entitled to getting some just because they were nice to a girl. That’s called a “covered contract”. You don’t make obvious what you want but instead the other person to get it. That gives women an out (allows many to play dumb). Still guys need to show them where they stand early. Do not give the girl any leeway to play dumb and friéndzone.

@Anonymous. I know women take longer to fall in love. But you do have your mind up early if you find him attractive or not to a certain extent. Sounds like you were on the fence with this guy.

But you got to understand the man’s POV on this. He has to stick his neck out i. e. approach you, lead the conversation, ask for a date, go for a kiss, etc. The burden is on him and you get to sit back and choose yes or no. Most men do NOT enjoy being in that position. But we do it because we have to. Most guys will remain perpetually single if they do not make a move.

So again you have to RESPECT the position he is in. Asking him to “just be friends” after all that is the worst thing you can do. To him it sounds like “oh I do not want to sleep with you but please giving me attention and favors.” That’s insulting. But you can respectfully tell him where you stand without asking him to “be friends”. That way he isn’t wasting his time and hopes on you anymore vs. pursuing a girl who actually likes him.

This all should just be common sense to anybody including women. But many are just subconsciously selfish on all of this friéndzone bs.

[Sixgunsound]

@RangerBlue22 you guessed right the first time regarding some women, just wanting an infinite source of attention and favors and help from someone they have no intention of reciprocating to. Sense women will always have a higher degree of emotional intelligence and ability to read the room, it can take some men of below average emotional intelligence a very long, expensive time to figure out that he’s not getting in there no matter how hard he tries or how much he Simps.

[RangerBlue22]

@Sixgunsound and it doesn’t help that society is hell bent on setting up men to fail. But when men fail WOMEN ultimately fail.

Many women have this ego protecting and guilt displacing attitude that “well if I got screwed over by some other guy in the past so it’s okay if I screw someone else to even the score” or worse “yeah I screwed him over but some other girl will come along….”

That second part I can’t stand. If the guy gets burned more than once he’s only human and he will become jaded. Than he might sabotage a decent opportunity when it arises because he wasted his chivalry on the wrong bitch. So this shortchanges another woman.

But it all starts by how women make shitty dating and romance decisions. In most scenarios they can say yes or no to men who approach them. But it’s their original sin to chase after asshole men and later get bitter about it and screw over honest men.

[Sixgunsound]

@RangerBlue22 isn’t that male privilege we keep hearing about from feminists grand?

[RangerBlue22]

@Sixgunsound its so convenient how many women (and society) take their privileges for granted. Not all though. I have met a few that understand what’s going on by they are in the minority.

@anonymous sorry for the rant. Given you are young and you we’re in awkward scenario I can see how you thought “asking him to be friends” was innocuous.

There are just too many other women out here who confidently do that for disingenuous and selfish purposes (they want the attention and validation.). I used to think it was something women would outgrow but I personally have met more than one grown ass woman over 30 who still does this bullshit. A certain age a woman should understand how male self esteem is closely tied to feeling respected by both men and women alike. The friéndzone even if we’ll intentioned comes off as a deep insult.

[Jamie05rhs]

@RangerBlue22
"Then he might sabotage a decent opportunity when it arises because he wasted his chivalry on the wrong bitch. So this shortchanges another woman."

OMG- this is SO TRUE!!!
💯 💯 💯

[Sixgunsound]

@asker you don’t need to explain, because you most likely didn’t mean it as an insult. The best possible takeaway here is to learn that it is an insult, and change your actions going forward. The reason I am here is to ask and answer questions and ideally learn something that isn’t taught in school along the way. I’m learning something new most days on here. Most users are not here to be mean or petty or childish. Their hearts are usually in the right place for most people; they want to help make your life better or easier by providing a perspective you might not have access to, for your benefit. I’ve had opinions changed by female users here to my benefit many times.

[RangerBlue22]

@Sixgunsound I wonder if asker is going to even read all this at this point lol. She seemed open minded so I didn’t want to come off as condescending and ranting.

[Sixgunsound]

@RangerBlue22 either she makes a positive change as a result of encountering a life lesson or she doesn’t. Either way we have done our duty by trying to help.

[Opinion Owner]

@Sixgunsound thanks for your opinion. Yes, it does made me understood that it looks like an insult

[Haha456]

because a "good personality" is subjective. Different guys look for different things. Some guys like feisty girls, others like bubbly. some hate bubbly girls. others like quiet girls. some might like funny girls. A guy will not date you if he is not attracted to your personality.

secondly, nobody cares how attractive you look if the attraction isn't there. he might just use you for sex but never ask you out.

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Regarding the sex, I believe @WhitneySnow got it right.

[Jamie05rhs]

Yeah; Whitney was on point.

[ScoobyDooDooDoo]

You could be a great catch, but you are not his type. Recently, I dated a man who after several dates, finally admitted that I am not his physical type based on race and skin color. He said I felt like "home," but he usually dates white women or light-skinned Black women who can pass for white. What could I do with that information? I cannot change my race or skin color even though I feel like "home" to him. So... goodbye. Please do not attempt to change his mind to get out of the friend zone or blame yourself. Start distancing yourself and limiting his access to you.

[Sarahr123]

People have different tastes like there are certain men who are good looking but not my cup of tea because I just have a very particular preference so I friendzone them. Also once I like someone I can’t see past them so I friendzone everyone else.

[PamelaRivers]

Maybe there just something that he doesn't feel a connection. I'm sorry for your feelings not being returned, but you have to consider the fact that even though your looks are there, something he needs in a relationship isn't or he hasn't seen it in you. Not sure what to say beyond that other than I'm really sorry.

[savagewolf22]

You're wrong ma'am...

Most of the guys who friend zone beautiful & hot women because they think he don't deserve you.

And same time don't want to lose you so friend zone is win win

[Haha456]

@savagewolf22

often times men friend zone attractive women because he is not attracted to her personality. she may look the part but she may not fit the part. the food look nice but it doesn't taste nice.

[savagewolf22]

@haha456

Lol ohk I dunno much because I don't make any women's in friend zone. 😘

[Haha456]

@savagewolf22

i had a guy tell me im really beautiful. but he didn't want to go out with me.

[savagewolf22]

Aw he is such a asshole than..
You deserve to be loved ❤️

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

@Haha456 I just do not care for the beauty part if I don't feel attracted to the girl.

[Haha456]

@savagewolf22

I dont really care when he rejjected me because while he had very attractive personality , he also had very very very dislikable serious flaws. he's the only man i ever fell in love with but realistically we would never ever get along with each other. His flaws simply were too great

[savagewolf22]

@haha456

You're truly wonderful person 😘
Ma'am you sad?

[Haha456]

@savagewolf22

It would make the average person sad. But I'm no average person.

[savagewolf22]

Aw I really like this attitude...
You're gem 😘

[Borntodie11]

This happened to me recently as well. He always thought of me as attractive and was attracted to me but didn't want a relationship with me. I think it's because my personality is more soft and warm and he likes his women fierce and cold lol. It's literally just what your personality preferences are at the end of the day. It's not good or bad just different. Like your preference for a fruit or colour. Never forget that it isn't personal.

[MystiKaL]

Maybe because he doesn't feel a connection. Or maybe because he has no idea how you feel about him, so he's played it safe by having you as a friend. Or maybe he could just be attracted to men 🤷🏻‍♂️

Don't generalise because of a single guy friendzoning you. Instead look at what could be the answer to your own person situation.