And why?
Do you believe in leagues?
And why?
No, totally don't believe in leagues. How would you even measure that - there are so many facets to being a person. I want someone I can laugh with, have fun conversations with, do all the things I enjoy doing, and who is compatible in bed.
Some famous actress might be nice to look at, but how important is that really? Maybe if I were fabulously wealthy I'd hire beautiful women to walk around my house as art or something - but even that would just seem sad.
I want someone who likes to hike in the mountains, fly airplanes, travel all over the world, talk about politics and science fiction and history and physics. And who shares enough of my sexual interests and kinks that we have fun in bed together.
Other people want different things, maybe someone who is beautiful, or who is very athletic, or good at raising children, or very wealthy, or dresses like a fashion model. Those are all fine too.
The key is that people are looking for different things. Many men would consider my ideal woman to be a poorly-dressed, slightly dumpy nerd. I'd consider some men's ideals to be too concerned about their appearance, and too fragile to be much fun.
Many women wouldn't be interested in me at all, but they sorts of women that attract me, are likely to be attracted to me because we share a lot of the same interests. I honestly don't believe my wife would trade me for anyone else on the planet.
Fortunately there are billions of women in the world so we can each find what we want.
Yes and no. Yes in that there are people who really can be smarter than you, wiser, more experienced, or just worlds apart in the kinds of lifestyles you have, so it would be an imbalanced relationship. That's how I look at leagues, I don't look at it in the sense of physical appearance.
But also no in that people tend to think they're out of someone's league because they're so enthralled with them and their looks or aura, and feel like they can't compare. But then what often happens is when they really do hit it off with the person, over time they start seeing that this person is not as great as they thought.
What do you mean not as great as they thought?
@CoolCatMar1 A lot of the times the person you think is out of your league really isn't. You find out over time they're really not as great or god-like as you elevated them to be. They're just a good looking person or seem nice, but that's all they are.
Yep but that doesn't mean you shouldn't still shoot your shot. A lot of the people i considered out of my league (9+) surprisingly took interest in me. I dont mind approaching/being approached by a 7 or 8 but when they’re 9+ they gotta come to me cause i wasn't willing to risk embarrassing myself lol. At the same time, there's a lot of competition and threats always trying to get at those 9+ and you have to put in crazy effort to keep their attention solely on you, and i just wasn't willing to keep that up. Im not bout to bust my ass to impress someone daily unless its a boss at work and im tryna get a promotion. So while i have dated off the top of my head, six guys that were “9’s” (which is above my league because i’d consider myself a 7), we didn't last. They usually want a trophy wife army candy glamdoll type in the long run. I will happily stick to the 7s and 8s which are the majority of what i dated because those relationships lasted longer, were about more than looks/popularity, and they could accept that i was the “just cute” tomboyish plain jane girl next door casual dressing type and not trying to be some insta model
Its not fun. But I can take rejection better from someone in my league than out my league lmao
Who would? Thats just silly. If it happens, it happens but why would i like it or want it
@DizzyDesii I consider people who don't share my hobbies & musical taste to be out of my league.
@Shiningtempest if they dont share my interests, morals, or beliefs then they ain't outta my league, they out the mf picture 🤣
Nope.
I do believe most people have some sort of a preference (in personality and, probably, in looks), but those preferences wouldn't necessarily align with what another person would think is what that first person should want / need to receive, based on their own personality / looks.
It is an extremely subjective thing, hence it's different for everyone, hence it does not exist.
Goals are meant to be personal, goals aren't subjective or objective.
Love is subjective, thought, but the feeling is there for everyone, the subjective part is how love feels for each individual person.
But I get your point. Not everything that's subjective is unreal, and I concur, but something that is based on objectivity, such as the concept of 'leagues' is automatically nulled by the reality of the concept actually being strongly subjective.
Thank you for the MHO! :)
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Appearance has a real impact on your options but is a very unstable factor. I know girls that go from a 10 out of 10 to a 1 out of 10 by changing the style of glasses they wore. When I was a kid I had a guy who was so obsessed with me he would cry because I did not want to date him and when I got a hair cut he wouldn't even glance at me for 2 years because he thought I was hideous looking.
Nope! I don't believe in such, i don't put a scale on looks nor body, not even the first 10 dates where we see each other and talk. For me! A person is more than just a face, it will take me long time until i might feel connection and even when i feel a connection, i don't put a number on it 🤷♂️. If it exist for some! Meh! Good for you , i guess. What happens if you assume a person is in higher league but they don't care about that? So it's either you put the person on a scale or you ignore the ''league'' thing?
It would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise. There are celibrities with whom I think there would be a viable chance if for some reason she were compelled to give a real go.
But, there is no non-fantastical way to even affect that. There are also women like Megan Fox who I dont think would be into me under any circunstances but whom I likewise would no interest in if she wasn't incredibly hot and probably wouldn't be able to stand for more than a month or two even given her looks.
Then there are women like Monica Bellucci whom I couldnt imagine not desiring but also know that there is no reason to expect a real click between us. So I can't imagine why she would be compelled to date me.
IRL I dont think thats there is anyone I know who is out of my league but thats because I've been quite fortunate. I could easily imagine it otherwise.
Okay so. Leagues.
Leagues exist as a framework in a very limited and basic understanding of sexuality.
Anyone who has any real emotional experience, or understands intimacy, or has enough life experience to know what they want out of life and other people know that "leagues" is a useless concept.
Ultimately, you get who you get, and you get them for ALL kinds of reasons that sometimes even they don't understand.
The people who believe in leagues are also the only people keeping the concept alive. It's not a natural thing, it's a forced framework from outdated culture.
Date who you want to date. Be who you want to be. Fuck who you want to fuck. Don't waste people's time with insecurity.
The real determinant is emotional understanding of yourself and others. Once you can see the patterns, you understand how people work, what they're looking for, what they say they want vs what they actually want.
a lot of it is all a show, a lot of it is insecurity and feeling like they have to keep something up or risk a worse life.
As people get older, they relax about it all. You love who love and some things make you horny. Learning to not get them confused is the best way to live a happy life.
Yes, but they are not the same for everyone.
There are people for whom that is body sex appeal (face included, but IQ not), people for whom face and brain size is by far the most important, and people for whom it's about the money/lack of debts/lack of involvement with gangs and crime.
i'm an insecure person i can easily find other women prettier, hotter, sexier even if let's say i achieve my body goals. i can just easily appreciate other people's beauty be it looks or inner beauty but ifk despite that i am confident
it's conflicting but yeah i think i am an insecure secure perskn or maybe my description is wronh. basically i appreciate other people's beauty inside and out easily but i am secure with myself. it's hatd to explain
Leagues are definitely a thing but to many people they don’t matter as someone can be in the same league personality, ambition, job wise but because their physical appearance isn’t as conventionally attractive as their partners they get considered to be not in their partners league
It's probably now become "stay in your lanes" rather than "stay in your league (s)." Lol the way language works nowadays. Anyways.
I for one know I am in my league, doesn't mean as a nerdy guy that I can't think of attractive women way out of my league and way hotter than me.
Thanks for the reply, peace ✌🏻☮️
Well, it would definitely sound weirder to be told I'm in "roughly the same level of attractiveness" with the devil, that's for sure.
But attractiveness isn't the only, or even the most important, quality in a partner; I really don't think that kind of reductionism has much to do with reality.
Yes I know they exist and Henry Cavill is out of my league lol because luckily for him colonisation was a thing so whiter is mightier but he has been dating extremely masculine women who are beneath him. He is otherworldly handsome so everyone is below his league anyway 🤷🏻♀️
I've always shot my shot when I was interested. Of course, I've been rejected every time. I haven't been interested enough in four years. There is someone I work with that might be worth it but our values on several things don't match up at all and I'd hate to lose my job I've been at for a decade over something that may not last.
I have prioritized in this situation. The job.
Leagues exist but it's bullshit like for instance I have a degree in electrical engineering I'm a fairly decent looking man I workout regularly so does that make me better than other people. Again that's just society labeling shit in this case people. This is no better than racism I'm out of someone league cause I look good or have more than you have. That doesn't make me better that anyone and as long as we thing this way we'll always be divided as a people never truly being able to come together. Rich people bleed red attractive people bleed red so at the core we're all the same. Smh
i dont rlly think leagues actually exist but im not sure how to describe it
its just a thing people act like exists so they can feel better about themselves
probably
Sorry. Whether you like it or not it exists. People are usually attracted to other people within their own leagues. That’s why there’s someone for everyone. You can find someone no matter where you are in life that’s on the same wavelength as you.
Yeah sure!
Nope but I do think people in different classes financially have different tastes and most of the time different hobbies which doesn’t usually help in the dating department like it’s not impossible just unlikely in my opinion but then again that’s just in ky experience
I think there are definitely leagues and that's why it's not rational to think that the average or below average people in this world can possibly get with the highest value men and women out there.
No I don't. It is mostly a cop-out that insecure people use to avoid making a move on someone.
nope not at all.
I know I am a great person, so just thinking that you are not good enough for someone will end up badly.
Maybe? It's more a matter of intelligence and ambition and physical fitness.
Yes. And to say otherwise is to deny reality. If there weren't leagues there'd be no models. We as a society decide standards of what is attractive and unattractive. And EVERYONE is influenced by these standards even if they're unwilling to admit to it.
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