How can you avoid being put in the friend zone?

[Anonymous]

[DaveJord]

NO WOMAN can put a man into the freindzone!!! You can only FriendZone yourself.

You can't avoid being put into it, per se. I mean you can avoid the entire situation, by acting like a man. Making it clear from the start that you want more than friendship, and if she does not want that then you distance yourself from her.

When you put it out there and she says no, but she wants to be freinds with you. Then distance yourself from her. Say, "No thank you, I will always want more than that... so never mind." If you do not say that then it's not her putting you in the freindzone, you are accepting and willing entering the freindzone.

The choice is the mans to make but if you accept the Freindzone, then women will get every benefit of being in a relationship with a man without intimacy, and the man will get less. Once a woman says she is not interest in me sexually or romantically, maybe later we will come back around to each other, but I am not willingly to just participate in a relationship when I know I want more.

Guys are just dumb that way, they will bend over backwards with a freind, thinking it will lead to something else. By would you or should you think that when the woman is already getting the full benefit of the relationship without romance?

Now the thing is that maybe she will change her mind later, but don't over commit to the friendship or you will be FreindZoned for life. Just stay courteous and respectful to her, over time she might rethink the situation... but don't ever go beyond that until she is ready to date you.

[TheSpaceGnome]

"Making it clear from the start that you want more than friendship, and if she does not want that then you distance yourself from her."

That doesn't work in the real world.

Lasting couples start out as friends, it is essential to be just friends first, to see if there is any compatibility.

You cannot make your intent known up front, because if done correctly, you have no clue if you are interested until well into the friendship, because you do not know them well enough before then to take an interest in them romantically.

[ShadezMcgee]

This is actually an accurate and good answer. Dudes tend to put themselves in there unwittingly because they don't know how to express interest properly.

[TenderFantasy]

"Guys are just dumb that way, they will bend over backwards with a freind, thinking it will lead to something else"

I thought that because I thought spending time with my guy friend would lead to him developing feelings. I smelled nice for him, dressed up nicely. Talked nicely, and was there to support him too. But I had dirt thrown back at me instead..

[DaveJord]

@TheSpaceGnome Actually it's a flip of the coin, when talk about real world... maube it does or maybe it doesn't. But if you want friends then go out there and make friends, just do not complain about the freind zone because you made that choice for yourself.

But if you want more and she does not then you got to do what's best for you. But trust me, when a woman wants more, she accepts nothing less.

[DaveJord]

@ShadezMcgee 100% CORRECT! If want to be freinds with her then agree to it or not, but make it known you want more at some point and if she doesn't ever see that as a possibility then don't over commit to the friendship.

[DaveJord]

@TenderFantasy Yeah, sounds like you were not FriendZoned... this guy is just an asshole.

[Jdjfjcjj]

You need to understand what it is you trying to get out of her first and foremost. Sex? Relationship? Friendship?

If not friendship, then be honest with yourself and admit, sending texts like how are you? How was your day? Hope you had a good day? Are what every guy asks, but more importantly, you acting like you actually give a damn how her day went, but both you and her know you don't considering you don't even know the chick.

Also, if they responding back to you, you already ahead of the majority of guys since most get instantly swiper left and the rest left on read due to sending intros like I described above.

If you going to offer some kind of compliment, don't tell her she's so beautiful, she's hot, etc. Do so indirectly.

Try to send a text that fits one line, two at the most. Use correct punctuality, and throw in some emoji that actually make sense (not a cucumber, eggplant, or any of the other like these)

And biggest point to understand is the dynamic where you want sex and want to provide the least amount of resources, this includes time not just money, while women want those resources and would like to get them by providing the least amount of sexual acts to you.

So what to take out of this... if you messaging her for over 30 mins, you taking too long. I hear guys who post they been talking to this girl for a week, everything seemed great, and then all of a sudden it seems she's ghosted me. iOr, the case where youve finally told her let's go out, and she saying she busy, offers nio alternative time, and won't answer any. mkre if your (goofy) texts. These guys were friendzone long before they realized.

[Jdjfjcjj]

You shouldn't need more than 10 messages to go from Intro to closeinf and getting the date

[EmyyWolf]

I don’t think you can avoid the friendzone.

If someone isn’t interested, THEY aren't INTERESTED.

What you should do is work on yourself. Try to be as muscular, as masculine and as fit as possible. Try anything in your power and ability to be as sexually desirable as you possibly can to the opposite sex. You should KNOW that as a man you should have a deep voice. You should have muscles. You should have a good prominent jaw line. YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW.

Nobody owes you their love, or their body.

Men put women in the friendzone all the time as well, but differently. What they do is sleep with a woman who wants him, and then he’ll replace her immediately or never commit. That’s a man’s friendzone.

If someone keeps putting you in the friendzone. Or if possible partners keep putting you in the friendzone, wether you’re a man or woman. That obviously means something is wrong with you. And the opposite sex deems you as UNATTRACTIVE & UNAPPEALING.

Again, nobody owes you their love or their body.

[EmyyWolf]

If someone deems you as UNDESIRABLE you’re ALWAYS gonna be put in the friendzone! ALWAYS!

A woman doesn’t owe you her body.
And a man doesn’t owe you his love; if you’re a woman.

Women are visual, unlike men who’ll sleep with anything that owns a vagina.
A healthy woman is gonna take note of your masculinity. She’ll notice your eyebrows if they’re thick which indicates high testosterone, she’s gonna hear your voice, which should be very deep to indicate health and high testosterone.
You should always check yourself in the mirror. Because women mate with highly attractive, highly sexually appealing men of good health.
We can literally sense your testosterone level by hearing the depth of your voice and by looking at your arms. 🖕🖕🖕
So stop blaming people for wanting healthy masculine partners. This is all biological.

[EmyyWolf]

These type of questions piss me off , because it really shows your lack of self awareness.
And then you want to believe that there’s some kind of magic key 🔑 to get out of the friendzone.

Any woman of good intuition and good health WILL 100% put you in the friendzone. And she should 🖕

https://youtu.be/L6Ec7SYo7_k

[TenderFantasy]

Any woman of good intuition and good health WILL 100% put you in the friendzone. And she should "
1. This can happen to anyone. I guess if someone you were dating got in an accident or has a disability they are already automatically put into the so called friendzone.
2. I've read everything you said and I do mostly agree with it. I've been friendzoned by this one dude I liked. I didn't know what to do or whether the problem was with me. He was definitely blind to my good qualities though. No body is perfect. Maybe you're lucky and smart and so that helps to take you far in life. But I wasn't as lucky or smart. I made a lot of emotional decisions that got me in to things I didn't want.

[EmyyWolf]

@TenderFantasy
Well you think that way now because you’re 39 now. I bet you that you weren’t dating any outcasts in your 20’s

[TenderFantasy]

@EmyyWolf 1. No you don't underand. I don't think that way now. I was 27 when I was "friendzoned" and I was in that type of relationship for more than ten years!
2. I don't look my age so I could easily lie about it to be honest with you, if age turns men off so much. I am lucky in THAT sense. :)

[EmyyWolf]

@TenderFantasy
Ok… your were in a “RELATIONSHIP “
That means you and that man were intimate and f-king eachother.

That’s not what friendzone is 🤦🏻‍♀️
Friendzone is when you tell someone that you see them as a friend because you don’t want to F-K them. That’s all it means.

I don't know what friendzone meant in your time. But this is what it means now

[TenderFantasy]

@EmyyWolf I never said that we were having sex, where did you read that? ! I WANTED to do that, and we came close at certain points of the relationship But sadly for the most part, he just wanted a friendship and nothing more, so we mostly just stayed friends. No need to be frustrated lol.

[EmyyWolf]

@TenderFantasy
So he friendzoned you?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ok that man’s D-K doesn’t work or it was way below average 🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏

[jennifer_bloom]

I think if you show her attention you do not show others and monopolize her time by being the most important person in her life and if you get her to tell you her secrets cause normal girls bond with guys when they feel protected by them. Sociopaths might discard somebody who listens to their problems but healthy people show gratitude when they feel validated and accepted.

[Pinay_ako]

You can’t avoid the friend zone if the other person already classified you to be there. But you can get out of it by showing your romantic side that you’re not interested to be just a friend.

[Anonymous]

I assume you find that this happens to you often.

Sorry to say, there is no bypassing or working around it. From my experience, unless you're drop-dead gorgeous, you're gonna get this all the time and it get frustrating.

Now you have three options:

1. Work on yourself to become attractive to women. Working on your health, career, personality and lifestyle will increase your chances to not getting friendzoned.

2. Say "fuck it" to dating entirely. Long story short, there are many laws that exist to make dating and especially marriage a legal, financial and emotional minefield. It's to the point where many men today say that it's a game where the only winning move is not to play.

3. Both 1 and 2. This one I highly recommend. Use option 1 for your own personal gain and not for anyone else and use option 2 to not distract you. If you feel that you have done 1 enough you can go back into the dating scene if you'd like but expect to find yourself going back after the first couple tries. After you've done this option long enough, you might even realize dating is overrated anyway.

[EricSummer]

While dating, you just make sure to increase the intimacy over time. Keep it exciting for her so that she has to decide how far she wants to go each time.

Friendzone would be great familiarity, but without intimacy. She should feel comfortable with you, but you should not come off as completely harmless. You should continue to challenge her.

For me this does not work well with women I have already befriended for a time. It works better with a woman I only met recently and directly started dating. I'm naturally a bit on the boring side, so I need the thrill of novelty to get the woman.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Don't friend with something that just wants attention from you.

That's just my advice though... I'll drop women if they don't sleep with me right away. If they don't like me like that, it's not my problem... her friend's like me like that.

[Asker]

If they don’t sleep with you right away? That’s a hoe

[D_Bone_Steak]

I hit the gym (home gym)... I expect women to be hoes for me or at least has come to expect it with the results. The male version of a homewrecker... they guy you don't want to hang around someone's wife or girlfriend. I don't even want to... chicks start simping for me... especially at a pool party.

[Anonymous]

Never ask her out. If you don't ask she can't reject. If you do ask do it at a party or something where you're liqoured up. Then you have plausible deniability. That way when she brings up that she rejected you you can say, "what"? "Oh, I was so drunk that night I didn't know what way was up". "I'm not even attracted to you". "But you're still a nice a girl, and I hope you find some SOMEDAY".

See. It turns the tables on her. She thought she friendzoned you. In reality she just got a reality check to her ego. 😆😆😆👌👍

[Spongebobssocks]

Be confident. Focus on yourself. Make sure you dont always text first. Go to the gym, get a haricut. Dress nice. Shower everyday. Use lip balm. Brush teeth and tounge.

Also never do boyfriend stuff without having the title.

[MisterKuulius]

Doing boyfriend stuff without the title is practically the definition of simping.

[Asker]

Is it simping if you keep trying to impress a girl that doesn’t want you?

[MisterKuulius]

Yes. Of course that is simping. Only pursue those who actually return some level of interest. Give a little bit of indication of your interest, but then do nothing else unless you get a good response. Anything else is a complete waste of your time. Even if you land a date with a reluctant woman, she won't have a real desire to be with you, that's an L. Every guy has simped at least once because he had such a big crush, but they need to learn from that not to do it again.

[Asker]

Why won’t a reluctant woman have a real desire to be with you?

[MisterKuulius]

if she is reluctant it is almost always because her level of attraction to you is not that high. If she had a high level of attraction to you, she would make it easier to pursue her, and she would return your signs of interest (e. g. she would flirt back at you, etc.).

[Spongebobssocks]

Yeah if a woman isn't showing intresst after you make a move you should move on asap. If she ask you to do stuff that are boyfriend/husband stuff and she hasent given you that title then just tell her "nah I'm going out". Let her overthink a bit. Let her see what she is missing. Women like men they can look up to and respect. You have to be assertive.

[TenderFantasy]

Works the other way too. I learned that the hard way.

[gorydetails]

Be very clear with your intentions from the start. Do not be friends with girls you're interested in. Don't hold their purse, don't go shoe shopping. Be very clear you're asking them out on dates. And if they turn you down (which is their prerogative) then stop contact with them. You don't want to be friends with them. (and that's your prerogative)

[AdithyaR]

One of two ways
1. Be upfront with the person you're looking for a relationship and not a friendship.
2. Learn to understand that a friendship with a woman isn't some consolation prize or punishment and learn to appreciate their company as friends and an actual human being beyond labeling them as a potential date.

[MisterKuulius]

In the words of Myron Gaines: female friends don't offer much utility.

Male friends will help you move furniture, fix a broken table, set up a new computer, give you good advice, etc. Female friends mostly just talk with you about their problems, and don't even want your advice... LOL

[AdithyaR]

Speak for yourself dude, I've female friends help me move stuff, game with me, hangout, work on projects together, give good advice.
And besides, I don't make friends for "utility" I make friends for camaraderie and having people around who care for me as I care for them. I can always pay someone to move furniture or set up a computer for me, I can't pay someone to genuinely care about me. That's why I need friends, it doesn't matter what their gender is.

[TenderFantasy]

@AdithyaR that was awesome to read. .. However, what if one party wants more but the other doesn't. Have had that happen to me in the past, it was VERY hard to just be "friends" after that. Especially since I was always hoping for more. I was ready.

[AdithyaR]

@TendetFantasy I totally get what you mean, I've been in that spot too where I developed a crush for one of my close over time but she just wanted to be my friend. In that case, prioritise yourself, your mental health is more important so you can ask that friend for some space. You can assure them it's not their fault and you just need some time to sort yourself out and heal. If they do care, they'd be okay with taking a break. But maybe they won't be okay and even then, they're in their right to prioritise themselves. It's an unfortunate situation when a friendship gets ruined because of feelings. Sometimes the friendship can be salvaged. With my friend and me, we were able to find our way back and we're still good friends who confide in each other and we talk to each other about our current relationships.
Sometimes it doesn't work out and that's alright, some people come to our lives as fleeting ones and they leave behind good memories and lessons, cherish that.

[devilish-cutie]

i dont think that exsist, either woman finds you sexually attractive or not, if not than you may be a friend or nothing

[TenderFantasy]

Damn guys and girls have such high standards these days!

[Adam1978]

You walk away if she tries. As soon as you aren't dating you cut her out. It will make her choice binary. Either be in a relationship or not have you in her life.

[Anonymous]

I don't think there's no avoiding the friend zone. You either are going to be in one or you're not based on the person's personal preferences.

[spacemoth]

Make your intentions known from the very beginning! If they don't feel the same, just respect it, and move forward from there. :)

[Boomchakalaca]

Definitely,
I rlly can't stand dudes who try and act friends, to try and dodge rejection. It is pretty obvious. Esp on snapchat, they cringy asl

[AaronKrieger]

If you two don't have chemistry then you're being put there

[Still-alive]

one big way is to state you can't be just friends then leave and say if she changes her mind about wanting more to call you. then stop talking to them and go after people that are interested.

[Boomchakalaca]

How about actually telling them how u feel and not hiding it like a beta male would

[Vegasrunner]

@Boomchakalaca Never ever, under any circumstances tell a woman "how you feel" men survive off action if you know you know.

[Boomchakalaca]

Ok how do u express ur emotions? Internally?

[Vegasrunner]

@Boomchakalaca I don't understand the question. Where did I say anything about not expressing emotion

[grega239]

Tried that. She ignores me now

[Boomchakalaca]

Lol then she's not the one for ur time.

[grega239]

None seem to be

[Vegasrunner]

@grega239 Well for starters u shouldn't be taking relationship advice from women as they typically have no clue what they're talking about. Case in point you implemented advise that @Boomchakalaca said and you got curbed. Had you listened to mine you probably get a better result. I'll give u some free game. Women say that because it makes them feel better, nothing drives a woman crazier than uncertainty so they try to convince u that if u share w/ them it will somehow benifit u they'll even try to shame u into doing it thats why she referes to anyone who doesn't as a "beta". Think about this logically if you're in a room of real men and one of them starts blabbing about their feelings who's going to be seen as the beta? You even tried this dumb as advice and took an L so that should tell you what you need to know right there.

[grega239]

@Vegasrunner no thanks for the advice. I've figured it out myself.
Im aware that women talk utter shit
And me being dumb enough to express my feelings kinda proves it

[Boomchakalaca]

Its never too late to try men ☺️

[Vegasrunner]

@grega239 But it's ok. Its a learning experience which is why it's important for men to meet talk and date a ton of women w/out it you would have remained in the dark.

[grega239]

@Vegasrunner nah. Im 30. I think i deserve to enjoy the rest of my life without the burden of a woman

[Boomchakalaca]

Then dont ask silly questions

[Vegasrunner]

@grega239 Great! More for me.

[grega239]

@Vegasrunner good for you

[TheSpaceGnome]

No point to even worrying about that. You have to start out as friends for a lasting relationship to even be possible.

[TenderFantasy]

Yeah, those who care more about more than just sex. Very true.

[Nikki1989]

If you seriously think this so-called "friend zone" exists, you only have yourself to blame for being there.

[TenderFantasy]

@Nikki1989 Says the girl who's young and pretty 🙄

[LiamJHayden]

The friend zone is a voluntary prison. If you are into her romantically and she does not reciprocate, you can always move on.

[NostalgiaSenpi]

After revealing your feelings towards them and they decline, you have the power to decline their friendship. Do so.

[cth2188]

Tell her how you feel and be real I friends zone so many simply because I'm not ready to date.

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 Never tell a woman how you feel, it only benefits her not the man.

[cth2188]

This is why men are friend zoned in my case I move on because you're coming off as playing games

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 If they're dumb enough to listen to your advice they're going to be in every girls friend zone. Meanwhile I'm going to be in every girl.

[cth2188]

Idc who you're in @Vegasrunner it's shows your level of immaturity and disrespect which you are. Women have standards and morals - if you can't measure up I won't deal with you. Not even going to waste your time

[cth2188]

I don't deal with fake people either be real or be gone

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 Having sex is disrespectful why do you believe that?

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 Who cares there's millions of women in the world, guys are just going to choose a better one.

[cth2188]

Goof I rather deal with an asexual guy

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 And this is important to me why?

[cth2188]

I'm just responding cheers to you ok !

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 That's awesome, are you going to respond w/ anything relevant to the conversation, or continue w/ self centered behavior?

[cth2188]

I thought we were done with this conversation last night 🌙 I'm all about peace and positivity ✨️

[cth2188]

Something I will maintain

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 Why would I end this conversation you prove more of my points every time you respond. TY

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 I'd love to know where the piece and positivity is, as reading your comments all I see is self loathing frustration and childish insults.

[cth2188]

You can't stay away go entertain your whores

[Vegasrunner]

@cth2188 Is that the peace and prosperity you were speaking off? Why do you hate women so much?