Why do some men like to wait until they’re established to date seriously?

[Lenee445]

We did a poll on a podcast and some men said that they only date casually until they get themselves established. Why is this? Do women and not want to build with each other anymore?

[Anonymous]

Well, let me tell you, it's all about the jugs! Us guys need to make sure we've got our priorities straight before we start focusing on love and relationships. We need to have our hands full of those juicy melons before we can even think about settling down.
I mean, can you blame us? When you've got a set of bouncy ta-tas in your life, everything else just seems to fade away. It's like a never-ending journey of pleasure and excitement, and we just can't get enough. And let's be real, if we're not established, how are we supposed to afford all the boob-themed gadgets and toys we need to keep us satisfied?
Plus, we need to make sure we're ready to commit to a serious relationship. It's like a beautiful pair of bangers – you can't just jump in without knowing what you're getting into. We need to take our time, savor the experience, and make sure we're ready to commit to those lovely lady lumps.
So to all the ladies out there wondering why men like to wait until they're established to date seriously, just remember – it's all about the boobs! We need to make sure we've got our priorities straight before we can give our hearts to someone else. But don't worry, once we've got those milk makers in our lives, we're in it for the long haul.

[Lenee445]

I love your response! lol

[Unit1]

I love and adore boobs too.
My key to get those lovely boobs is with money. Its the easiest way.

[Screenwriter]

You are a silly Rooster. But I like the cut of your jib!!!

[Screenwriter]

P. S. I would never have made your cut. Ah well. I've missed out!!! kisses.

[AMS700CX4u2]

Simply put

[razelove]

It could have to do with divorce, and divorce laws. If you're casual your worries are very light. Generally women going casual aren't taking things seriously either. You don't have to worry about half your stuff going to someone else, alimony, child support, nothing.

Hell, for those who want to pay for those degrees of separation, seeking arrangement (now just seeking) has 40 million users, that's more than 10% of the US population. That says a lot about women today, not just men.

Anywho, if you're already established and own a house, if the relationship goes sideways in a non-alimony state, your losses are severely minimized. If you get together while you're still building, buying a house, making a business, putting money into retirement, all that is half theirs, depending on where you live (p) alimony too.

That's just getting into assets of a married or unmarried couple, not even considering if there are kids, multiple relationships that have gone that way, so on and so forth. If a guy is on a path to success, I could see why he's unwilling to make that leap of faith before his ducks are in a row.

I just do QA/QC, so my mediocrity can always be reclaimed lol

[provokeesmokee]

I think that's smart. And honestly I'm doing this too, though I also let myself date as I established myself.

But frankly? It's just smart to be independently established versus depend on a partner or (worse) have a partner depend on you to make you BOTH established.

I don't want to build something that is going to be worthless if I find the person I built it with isn't for me.

Plus, frankly, most women today would RATHER their partner be independently established.

I've out earned every partner I've had. I don't want to have to build their career while I have to build my own.

Supporting and cheering them on? Yeah. But establishing for them? Nah.

[glennos89]

Do you know how terribly selfish you sound when you say it like this? With all respect to you... This is the reason why men don't thrust woman anymore and this is the reason that marriage isn't likely to survive in the future anymore. A lot of woman are very very selfish. They aren't commiting to a guy unless they benefit from it themselves while most men would love to provide everything for their woman and children without thinking about themselves. Honestly this is the reason men are starting to feel increasingly more negative towards woman because a lot of them are very very selfish sadly 🙄🔫

[devilish-cutie]

That is one of the most idiotic things men do in my opinion. I guess they only want to date gold diggers and think all women are like that. It is bold of them to assume that you will find love when its conviniet to you. If love happens you should be grateful and dont miss out on it, it might not happen again. That is if you are looking for love, a lot of them are just looking for wife, throphy, sex toy.

[MrOracle]

Very few women today want to build anything with a man - instead, they want to wait at the finish line and only pick from the big winners. They expect a man to already have everything, and then they expect him to pay for her stuff too. Most women will not go down in lifestyle even a tiny bit to be with a man, even temporarily - in fact, most women expect to go several steps up if they get with a man.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/wUe3DMXBx2E

[Screenwriter]

Senor Oracle, What do you think is the cause of this? Why do you think young women don't want to "build" with a man? This is certainly how loads of generations have done it. How my parents did it. And I was raised to believe if a man was employed and paid his bills, that was enough. Of course, I believe that a woman needs to contribute financially too. What influences do you think have lead to this?

[Inbox]

@Screenwriter I can't speak for @MrOracle, but if you study market cycles over the past 500 years, you will understand that humans are driven by many fundamentals - in this case, ease and efficiency. We first walked, then rode animals, then invented the wheel, boats, cars, trains, now planes, etc. How is this relevant?

Every new generation always rebels against the former - that's any time period or culture. Assuming ease and efficiency is in play with Gen Z, which I strongly believe it is, they have great ambition and innovation, but don't want to do the work to achieve it. Nowadays, if there's a problem or just a few problems, people give up quickly at least in relationships.

Gen Z is the work smarter, not harder type, and unfortunately Millennials I think played a part because we saw our parents work hard and do physical labor, but not all Millennials would do this, and Gen Z came along and saw how it's a dying profession (despite it paying well nowadays because nobody wants to do it),

Lastly, back in my day, I didn't have access to a cell phone until I got to high school, but now, toddlers have access to high end computers (Ipads, cellphones, etc) and with TikTok, Instagram, etc it's easy to click on a hot girl or see others success and say we want all this --- the focus goes only towards the conclusion, but not the amount of many steps and hard grit it takes to get to that conclusion.

[Screenwriter]

@Inbox If they don't do the work, how do you think they expect to get to the desired end?

[Screenwriter]

Is it a naive fantasy?

[Inbox]

@Screenwriter Well, there's an old saying, "if you're young and Liberal, you have no heart, but if you're old and not Conservative, you have no brain." My POV is that Liberals are driven by idealism, whereas Conservatives are driven by realism. Young people naturally gravitate towards fantasy because they're young, feel they have all the power and time is one their side, not to mention many of them are now living with their parents due to rising rental/home prices, so it gives them potentially a false sense of security.

It's easy to dream and want big things, but the moment you start working towards it (realist side), people begin to realize just how much work it takes to become successful and like most people, give up due to the workload or difficulty to become successful.

I cannot tell you how many people come to me asking for advice on things, but the moment I give them just a little bit of work, most people never do it --- it makes sense though, if everyone worked as hard as I do, then I'd only be average.

[MrOracle]

@Screenwriter "What influences do you think have lead to this?"

1. Feminism, which is essentially a code-word for "the destruction of the nuclear family" as this was the goal of the Marxists who took over the Feminism movement in the early 1960s. There are many vectors for achieving this goal, but a huge one is pushing women to be college and career-focused, which both comes at the expense of starting families AND pushes women into college where they are heavily indoctrinated into Marxist-backed "woke" theories.

2. Social Media & Dating apps. In the past, women largely chose from the men around them - the men in their town or their school. Most women never even SAW the top 1% lifestyles. But social media and dating apps not only lets them see these lifestyles, but they can directly message the men who can provide them. Of course, those men almost never seriously consider those women as a relationship partner, but they will often give them a taste of the lifestyle in trade for casual sex, and this allows women who otherwise have no shot at that lifestyle a taste of it - and then they believe that the 1% lifestyle is now "their level" and so they refuse to accept any less. That's complete delusion, but if they can get banged by a couple of those top 1% guys, they're absolutely convinced that they are top 1% themselves, which means no "normal" guy has even a tiny chance attracting her.

Of course, the long-term outlook is disastrous - for the girl especially, as she racks up body count and emotional damage - but you can't convince a woman in her 20s who is spending a weekend in a high-rise apartment or a high-end cabin or a yacht that she's just visiting that lifestyle, until the guy gets bored with her and replaces her. She's fully convinced that she's going to lock that down, despite in most cases not knowing a woman who has ever managed to do so.

[Screenwriter]

Ah, Mr. oracle: I have clearly missed the boat: I was never in a highrise apartment or on a yacht to even have a FANTASY of being able to snag a 1 percenter! Waaaahhhhh!!! This is depressing. At least I would've known it was just a lark. But an interesting one. Thank you for your opinion. This makes social media and dating apps looks bad...

[Screenwriter]

look

[DaveJord]

Its old school... traditionally a man should be in position to provide for a woman and potential family before getting serious with any woman. Because just like woman like to be their own person so do men.

Crazy right, that a man should want to be his own person?

In my experience it tough. Because when she is established and he is established it can be hard to grow together as one, because you both are used to being your own person. But if link up too young you tend to lose yourself because you are so invested in this one person.

[Avicenna]

That makes all the sense in the world. A guy who is established in his career usually has lots of dating options.

[Lenee445]

Oh ok. But a lot of these guys said that they still date causally though. So I take it they still have some type of options, even though they’re not “established”?

[Avicenna]

Sure, but maybe they are holding out for someone more suitable

[nastyb]

I wouldn't say men " established in his career " as to have a lot of dating options. i would say a rich man would have tons of dating options, the type of guy who makes at least 200k a year. Nowadays even 100k isn't enough to afford a nice living.

[Screenwriter]

My son isn't established and won't be for many years because he is in the music and film industries. I've told him he should find a woman who has her own to a certain degree and understands it takes longer for someone in his industry. I've told him to find a woman who, "Brings something to the table."

If he hooks up with someone who wants to sit on her ass and keep house and make one or two babies, he'll never have success with anyone. And he needs to find someone who discusses these plans WITH him long before there's a permanent connection.

I find it amazing that people spend huge amounts on a wedding for show-off. Even if they HAVE money. You've got a 50 percent change of being divorced in 5 years or fewer. I say long-range plans, about two years of going out together and TALKING about your future and KNOWING each other.

Spend that money on getting a house, or twveling together: INVESTMENT options in each other and a future family. You learn a lot about a person when you travel with them. You can eliminate the whiners, those with no stamina: whining and lack of stamina mean you don't travel well, and if you don't TRAVEL well, you won't last otherwise. This is a somewhat humorous generalization, but I remember being in Paris. We punched a clock, literally and were sightseeing from 10 am in the morning until 10 at night, stopping for coffee and food. It was a JOB!!

Just like coupling and marriage. Takes stamina, a shared vision, and separate lives that each other respect. All this crap about HE has to be established so she can glom onto HIM is called gold digging. Lazy, money grubbing women. Leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth.

[OlderAndWiser]

Many men believe that they can't attract a good quality candidate unless they are beginning to show signs of success in their chosen vocation.

[devilish-cutie]

so good quality candidate is being a gold digger?

[OlderAndWiser]

@devilish-cutie Depends on your definition of gold-digger. What I am describing relates to the insecurities of the guy, not the qualities of the female.

[devilish-cutie]

yes, i would say its about insecurities of the guy

[Screenwriter]

I think a woman who meets a man at one POINT in his life and discovers he has plans to get ahead and is actively working on those plans should be enough for any woman who has own vision. IT's about the PERSON's quality, not simply his paycheck. This paycheck $000,000, six inches and six feet are such superficial and supercilious qualifications, they appear to be a sad state of affairs.

[Screenwriter]

OK, that's a valid point. I'm trying to help my 27 year old son realize what IS important in a woman. He has me for a mother, so I know he KNOWS about quality. I'm not rich, but I'm generous. YES THAT IS IT! Find a smart, attractive GENEROUS woman who helps you and who YOU help. Kindness and generosity are the important qualities. Most else misses the mark.

[Anonymous]

It typically happens this way. Guy believes in love, guy dates, guy meets girl, girl says she would never get serious about his broke motherf***er ass, guy decides to get established before seriously trying again and along the way he starts to learn what women are worth the investment and which aren't, guy now realize love is nonsense and while a woman may have "feelings" for him. It will always hinge on what all he is able to provide her with. Now guy understands the transactional nature of relationships under the guise of love that permeates society. Now it's simply a matter of fact of determining who he wants to be with, how long he figures she'll stick around before deciding she bored or has found better and moves on, and how much effort she's worth. Because at this point all women are gambles. Some worse than others. As he gets older the gambles become worse and worse as the quality of women become less and less until eventually the guy decides there really is no benefit in what's left. He remembers how happy and carefree he was before he discovered women. At this point he stops dating altogether. And he only entertains a woman until they impede his happiness then he tells her to go away.

[Lenee445]

I agree that it is a gamble with some women. I’ve had some 40+ older aunts, cousins, co workers, etc that have wanted and did divorce their husbands just for being boring, or because they thought it’s better out here. So, I don’t blame some men, or even women for just wanting to stay single and avoid commitment. Being carefree is so peaceful.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm glad you get it. Most women get mad when I say this. Bottom line: if you want somebody you have to give most people don't want to anymore. And giving once isn't enough. You have to earn your partner EVERY DAY. I have 4 siblings, all married, and I see thier constant commitment to thier spouses. Unless a person has that mindset they shouldn't be trying to build anything with anybody. At least that's my take.

[snowboarder720]

I love to think of myself as a provider. Maybe other men do?
When I don’t have stability in my job, living situation, transportation, etc. it would be very difficult to find a woman who would accept me for only but who I am and nothing for what I have (which is how it really should be). That’s not how the dating situation works when you’re a male.
Men use what they have to gain a woman’s attention from other men. After they have your attention is when they decide on what their intentions are with you because now the man is in their interest. It isn’t common the other way around.
The man with no job, no car, and no money is stereotyped as ‘the loser’ and nobody finds them in their interest. That man definitely deserves someone who sees and loves him for who he is and not what he has but it’s self respect when he has something to show to the woman of his dreams that he’s a responsible and committed human being that can get what he wants.

[Screenwriter]

There is nothing wrong with providing. But being a BANK is not what a man should be. If there is some bent among young women today, I'm unsure of where it emanates. It's disturbing that some women see men as something they should milk until they're bored and can find another. But this isn't NEWS. It's olds. Do your homework and find someone who is a cut above. Who takes you as you are and expects to SHARE in emotional and financial expenses; who is a support as well as expects support. In all aspects. That's the bedrock of a good marriage/relationship. I saw it with my parents. I did my best in my 17 year marriage. But guy had a flaw. He wanted a perfect wife! I wasn't. And I got ill. My mom had an aneurysm in her 70s. My dad wheelchair pushed her around for 8 years after her kidneys failed and she was handicapped. Her mind was tight.

But when I asked my dad about it, he said, "This is my job. To take care of your mom." And my mom had worked her entire married life. They traveled all over with church groups and had fun despite her disability. She was tired a lot of the time, but they got around. It was due to him and his dedication.

Her salary and his combined supported them and allowed them and the two kids to have an easy middle class existence: teacher and postal worker. Actually, Daddy married up. He had a high school ed, mom a master's degree in education. They made about the same salaries, though.

And my dad, who'd wanted six kids said, you know, your mom was right. If we'd have had all those kids, we'd never have lived as well as we did and been able to take care of you two. This was a man who listened to and planned with his woman. Admiration for both of them. Not old school at all. When mom was working, few women did. And now women don't want to work in a new version of old school. Good work is powerful. You do something that's valuable. You make money. You contribute.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Modern women don't give those guys any attention. Look at all the polls where women who bring nearly nothing to the table are saying dumb ist like "My man needs to make at least 100k/year" because they have zero concept of money and think everyone makes that. Then they realize as they get older that those of us who do make that aren't interested in them. Are all women like that? No of course not, but those women didn't get a gender studies degree and got snatched up in college and are off the market.

[Lenee445]

Yeah I do some women who don’t even have a pot to piss in, or multiple kids outside of marriage, require their men to make at least 100k. It’s sad. One of my guy friends was telling us that he tried to talk to a 41 year old woman that he worked with at a factory job, and she told him “You don’t make enough, you work where I work!” And he went off on her after that. Lol
I didn’t realize it was that bad out here.

[Finchie40]

Because most women are selfish and will leave or cheat on a man that can’t provide for her period , so many girls’ divorced their husbands or cheated on their husbands because he lost his job or he isn’t making the money she expects him to make , Most girls will go spread her legs to another guy that she feels has better status then her partner , So a guy isn’t going to fully commit to a girl until he feels he is established because he does t want a girl cheating on him period, Most girls in general are selfish people that only really care about themselves and will trade in their man for another man they feel is more established , Trust hurts sorry

[MarkHrdman]

Woman always want to build with themselfs. Its a known fact that woman are gay "do woman and not want to build with each other anymore?"

Technically its 4 questions.

Ye do woman.

Men who date casually its not a crime. there's no reason why men wouldn't want to be in a casual relationship until theyre forced into a propective relationship because of a woman.

Woman aren't interested in a man with no prospects! A survey performed infront of a live studio audience proved that the same men who are claimed to not be successful where voted more attractive out of random prospects because of there success under a different name and different profile.

Men aren't the problem. Its woman!

[EricSummer]

It's a traditional way of planning their life. Serious dating may lead to marriage and having children. A woman who is looking for that often prefers a strong provider. This means the guy will have peak attractiveness only once he is established professionally. At that point he can get the best long-term partner.

Different ways are emerging though. A high-powered female professional may afford an impressive guy or one he is good at taking care of their kids.

In Cameroon it used to be a bit like that traditionally in the coutryside. Women work hard and take pride in affording idleness and expensive hobbies for a hot husband.

[Khronuskeeper]

In my case, I have plans to live in another country. So for obvious reasons, starting a relationship and then cancelling my life dreams or breaking up and wasting someone who I care about's time, is off the table.

For others maybe that's a factor? If you don't have an idea of who or where you're going to be in 5 years time, should I really be committing to a relationship? What if something comes up that would take me away from here? Or forces me to choose between the person or myself some other way.

The exception here of course is if your goals/ambitions align, or perhaps one of you works remotely and has no attachments to where you currently live. In which case, you could make it work.

[RavVid]

Well the US stats from Pew research is that under 30's - only 30% of males are in a relationship but 60-70% of females are in relationships. 60% of males are not dating. I know some Z guys take the view girls are too much/not worth the trouble. On the stats above 70% of guys would after 30% of girls.

Some of the attached 60-70% females will be lesbians. Of the unattached some will playing the field or not dating at all to focus on study and career. Most likely 20's something girls like 30's something established guys.

There is an effective 2:1 sex imbalance but might be more like an effective 10:1

[BeMuse]

All that is proving is that women lie a lot. They'd rather lie and pretend they are in a relationship, than to admit they are not to a stranger that doesn't even care. It's all about image just like make up.

[RavVid]

@BeMuse Yes it is possible that girls lied in the survey but in this 'I don't need a man world' there could be girls that lie that they don't have or want a partner' when they do have one.

Now that you point it out, it could be similar to men typically exaggerating the number of sex partners they've had and girls typically minimizing or only reporting the number of boyfriends and not counting their one night stands.

Unstructured interviews would be less vulnerable to this. Or multiple questions from different angles to triangulate. Still Pew Research is respected and uses multiple methods..

My own view is that, like golf, you need to play the data ball where it lies and that any data is better than no data. BUT you are exactly right to inject skepticism and thank you for that.

[BeMuse]

The figures you provided is that 30% of males are in a relationship but 60-70% of females are in relationships... A relationship is one man and one women unless you have widespread polygamy or homosexuality, both of which are very uncommon. The logical conclusion is that women lie about their relationships. You have a 30 to 40 point difference, not a 5 point difference.

[RavVid]

@BeMuse Not my figures but Pew Research figure to be clear. I've got it down to go through their methodology today now you have raised my interest. You are right that Lesbianism is relatively rare, but 'mostly heterosexual' is as high as 10% of females. Lesbianism takes out 2 girls from the mating pool so there is a double banger effect from it.

What is not in your list is hypergamists. i. e. girls who date up in age bracket to reach more established men and won't date on potential but what there is instead. That could be quite significant.

There is also potential for hypergamist girls to think they are in relationships when they are not. The older established man could be running 2 or more 20s girls.

We might also think a girl claiming she is partnered could be lying in that she is not in the market for study or work or some something else reasons. No might mean No anyway.

Regardless, we still have a 30% vs 60-70% differential even assuming that both guys and gays are lying through their teeth like they do in nbr of sex partner surveys.

Very interesting and thanks for pulling me up again.

[BeMuse]

I think it's more an ego sort of thing. Example:

I told my boyfriend to unfriend his ex and he dumped me? ↗

The subject thinks he's still her boyfriend even though they have broken up. He will be her boyfriend in her mind, until she finds a new boyfriend. In her mind she can't except she has been dumped. It's a rough patch or an argument to her. The guy is gone, but she deludes herself into believing she is not single. Everything is about image for women. This is why they put so much emphasis on looks (fashion, makeup, popularity, etc.). They don't want to be excluded from the group. They want to be seen in a positive light. The goal for normal for women is to have a stale relationship. To acquire a partner. So they make believe they are in relationships they really are not in to maintain the image and reputation. For guys it's more like a light switch. Either it's on or off.

[RavVid]

@BeMuse Yeah a man is what he does and a girl is who she is. I might say "I'm an engineer" and that's it. A girl might say a whole lot of things about how creative she is, what she wants to do etc etc. One girl in a group of guys and it still becomes a dress conversation.

A good observation again.

[AaronH03]

I think a lot of men want to wait until they’re established so they can fill that “provider” role. I think male and female instincts, no matter how much society progresses, still play a large role in relationships. Particularly with men, they have a need to feel like the protector etc

[OfMiceandMen]

It's one of the main criteria on most women's list. Meet someone that is established.

We come across it everyday. A young guy is just making his mark but not established and not ready for children, so the 20 something girl moves onto a 30 something male, because he is established.

Whether it is said or done, most indicators point towards a man that is established as being very high on the criteria list... oh and according to some GAG women, tall with a big dick helps!😂

[asphaltrhymes]

I guess it's just the only thing I put off. I never put off anything else, except, dating or romance, shrugs. I ain't missing out on much from my growth up to now, and hearing of others and strangers trials and tribulations, I'm like. I'm sitting just fine here 🙃😋🙃

[asphaltrhymes]

Over time, and here I am at almost 30. I'm sure I've saved myself many STDs and many other drama's 😀

[nolabels]

I never felt worthy of dating before becoming successful and somewhat established.

I may have been wrong in that thinking. Maybe running headlong through life with a special someone in hand would have been fun. I'll never know.

I had other issues, too, shyness being severe as a younger man.

I got over that.

Life is as it is.

[stepyo99]

Because men understand that women view them as an ATM. Men will happily date a woman who has nothing, but you won't find a woman who will happily date a man who lives with his parents, has a low income, and/or doesn't have a bunch of stuff to flaunt his wealth and social status.

[ProbablyClueless]

Dating just takes an insane amount of money for men to actually facilitate the relationship. For all this talk about building together, very little of a woman's income actually ends up being contributed to making things happen. They'll spend a lot on other things to make themselves appealing to men, but men tend to actually finance the relationship interactions.

[JSmuve]

Because most women don't want to build with a guy who they view as "lesser" than them. If you have two average-looking guys in their 30s and one has an average entry-level job and lives in a bachelor apartment, and the other is a doctor who owns a house, most women would rather "build" with the doctor (i. e. attach themselves to his life) before considering actually building with the other guy.

[BlackJeep]

Girls make it pretty clear from an early age that marrying up financially is important to them so guys are aware that if they wait until they are established and high value they will have a lot more options and therefore better chances at a high value woman.

[magiusX26]

more often now, women dont want to wait as he builds up but instead want him to already have it. which is a part of why some say they want the wife title without putting in the work to earn it. which in turn is a part of why more men dont take women as seriously anymore.

[Anonymous]

I’m doing that right now. I know I have the ability to make any girl feel special, and I even broke some hearts. But how can I make any girl happy, if I’m not happy? I want to make it so I have baggage. I want the girl I meet to know I did everything to make myself better for them, so they can enjoy the best life possible.😭

[Opinion Owner]

Don’t have baggage*

[LazerBean]

A lot of men realize that they have nothing to offer except money, and will not be able to attract the women they want without that money. I'm not saying that is true for all men, but it is certainly true for men with that mentality.

[Lynx122]

Because a lot of guys feel like they don't get taken seriously by the woman if they're not established. So putting a lot of effort into dating when nothing is going to come back is a big waste.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Dating seriously means potential marriage and kids, starting a family and being able to provide a decent lifestyle cost a good amount of money.

Last thing a man needs is to be struggling financially to try to support a family unit.

[kevypatyy7]

Women are fertile, one encounter and boom twins and you can't take care of kids or the woman without financial support, you see I like such men. Get into serious relationship when you are fully ready

[YesterdaysChild]

Since relationships seem to be short lived today I would probably do the same thing. Why help someone in their quest today when he could be out of your life tomorrow?

[KingOfMe1]

Because they don't believe they can get the girl they actually want as they currently are. Also, they want to be fully ready for everything like kids. Mostly the first part though.

[RingOfFire]

Nature and evolution designed men to provide and protect. And that is what attracts women (womens' natural instinct). So a man feels he can be more attractive to women once he establishes a career and has some money.

[Justneedtokno]

Well, just like myself, I would want to be stable and you here all the time these women go after these men because they don’t have money and all of this well, once they’re establish, that’s that it is attractive. This is what my cousin has told me.

[Coden7]

I don’t want someone to commit to me unless we have a plan for success. If I’m going to provide, I want to make sure I can make that happen. If she wants to provide…… I haven’t met someone yet who would consider weighing that option with me.

[Jltakk]

Because I want to be able to support my end of the relationship and give her the best experience I can't do that living in my parents place and being broke.

[Sirenboobzilla]

I would think that it's because those men don't believe they have anything serious to offer until they themselves feel secure

[Anonymous]

They want to be their best self, or closer to it. They can delay gratification. They don't want to deal with a woman constantly telling him to do better when he already has a plan to do better (which doesn't involve nagging.)

[Anonymous]

Every woman wants to be a noble.
No woman wants to earn the merits befitting of nobility.


In other words they want to win the game without actually playing. It’s up to us play the game so the women can enjoy the victory.

[nastyb]

most mothers in this country work full time jobs. just saying... the notion of a single "breadwinner" is long gone

[Fuentes]

Conservative women still exist?

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

its more of the fact that most men dont make enough money to support their families anymore. 100k doesn't stretch as far as it used to

[Fuentes]

Most men should not be making families or getting married if they can't afford it in this Biden Clown world economy.

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

its only gonna get worse. things are only going to become more expensive in the future.

[Fuentes]

I blame the liberals and stupid Biden supporters all of them

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

it has nothing to do with liberals. people work cuz they don't want their kids to suffer.

[Fuentes]

They vote in retards into office to destroy the US. Liberals are the reason people have to work so HARD today because Buden is destroying America.

[Fuentes]

Biden**

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

voting has nothing to do with it. it all has to do with economics. wages aren't keeping up pace with costs.

[Fuentes]

So throwing billions to Ukraine while Americans are broke is due too?

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

same as borrowing money from other countries to pay for medicare

[Fuentes]

I don't think we ever threw billions at another country in one year passed our own military budget lol infact nit even our largest full scale war beat this budget lol yet we're already passed it in one year, the US is going bankrupt no matter what now and that is all LIBERALSA FAULT FOR VOTING in that old dumb bag of bones Joe.

[RoosterBreast]

@Fuentes I dont think voting makes any difference, just a distraction. Just like elon musk's neuralink is a distraction when they can just make you inhale the nano particles, why need any hard implants?
"They live"... and it's not about voting.

[Fuentes]

@RoosterBreast but is it not the liberals fault The IS is broke down like this?

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

military budget is not even the core problem. we have been in a budget deficit even prior to the Ukraine war. we were trillions in debt before biden

[Fuentes]

So food was high before Biden? Gas Prices were high before Biden? Homelessness was high before Biden? No it wasn't. Take a look at today's Bidens America he fucked it all up.

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

of course prices were high before biden. prices increased during covid before biden was president

[Fuentes]

Um no, Gas prices were not high during covid before Biden lol huh? I didn't start paying 6 dollars a gallon until Biden came into office, where were you sleeping?

[nastyb]

@Fuentes

it was covid that made things more expensive. increases in prices for most things came from the trump presidency. this is not our first time where our government talked about going bankrupt either. this happened in all other presidencies too.

[Fuentes]

Nah not this bad, this time we're going into the great depression, not even Bush's Era were we this bad off. The whole thing is Biden and liberals fault, and if your a liberal it's on you as well. For voting that way.

[hbg84]

Because its expected of us. Especially now considering 80 percent of women are only going after 20 percent of men. They only want to be with high earning men.

[Staximus]

Because a lot of women will not look at a guy as a good candidate for a serious relationship if he doesn't have his shit together. They want a guy who can support them financially.

[KrakenAttackin]

Women don't want to "build". Women are huge consumers of resources to include time, money, mental bandwidth, etc. When a man is building most women are a gigantic speed chute to him.

[msc545]

One thing men need to date successfully is money. Women are generally intolerant of men that have little or no money unless they are extremely good looking and tall.

[SunnyRS]

Because when you date someone you want to take care of them and keep them happy, fulfill there wishes and for that you need to be established, according to me.

[DaModernDaVinci]

Don’t like to feel inferior like I can’t afford anything.

[grega239]

Because women dont want to date guys who aren't established.

Women prefer to wait at the finish line instead of running along

[Chthou95]

Because in general women want a man with a future. A man thats established is going to get farther than a man who hasn't accomplished anything in his life.

[Anonymous]

This might give you some idea why guys are waiting, though you may not like it!

https://www.youtube.com/embed/WqPT1G3eyAU

[Opinion Owner]

Edit; here another video;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPHrLctJhgM

[Unit1]

Not very sure myself. I don't think it's a good idea to postpone dating.

[imfreeze95]

I’d say he wants to do that so he can date seriously with marriage in mind. That way he can support a spouse.

[Anonymous]

Because women seek status. It's a smart move.

[Jamie05rhs]

We ain't the ones waiting. Y'all are the ones waiting.

[devilish-cutie]

Elaborate

[Jamie05rhs]

@devilish-cutie A man can't make a woman get married to him. If she thinks he isn't ready, then he isn't ready. Her standards, in effect, become the rule, by default.

[devilish-cutie]

I have never seen a woman telling a guy she loves that she won't be with him cause he is poor/dont have money. Some women may be that way but id hardly say its a rule. When a woman falls in love she wants to be with that guy regardless. But if a man is not putting an effort to better his life and is doing nothing than that can be an issue.

[Jamie05rhs]

@devilish-cutie Maybe it's different in your country; I don't know. But American women are extremely materialistic.

[devilish-cutie]

Yeah maybe a lot of women are materialistic, i may just not be a typical one I don't know. but i know my friends dated guys that were poor and its more about who you like than how much a guy earns

[Jamie05rhs]

@devilish-cutie That's awesome.

I think part of it has to do with religion, maybe. Because many of the girls I am interested in are Christians. And they somehow have this idea in their head that they are required to have babies (which I don't really agree with.) So they want to marry a rich guy so they can be a stay-at-home mom.

[devilish-cutie]

Maybe they are just too conservative, not every woman wants to be stay at home mom. As a guy i wouldn't bother w women like that but ask myself why i even want a woman like that, trust me there are very different women than thwt if that has been your experience

[Jamie05rhs]

@devilish-cutie Thank you. I agree.

And I DON'T want a woman like that. Lol

[devilish-cutie]

tnx for always being understanding and kind
wish u luck in you love pursuits!

[Jamie05rhs]

@devilish-cutie Of course! I always love chatting with you.

And thank you!

[DrKrieger]

From my perspective, it's an inward issue - guys don't want to burden anyone.

[Fuentes]

Because then y'all can't call them broke and put them 2nd

[Anonymous]

They found someone they like better than you.

[Anonymous]

It's because good quality women are super rare and typically are only interested in established quality men.

[onezipp]

To be able to truly provide for the women they attend to make a wife

[In_Trance]

What are you going to offer someone else if you don't have your own shit together?

[devilish-cutie]

So ou have to be rich to have your shit together?

[In_Trance]

@devilish-cutie no you don't

[TallAnon]

Honestly sounds more like they got themselves an excuse to delay approaching women.

[Ptrmbrs88]

Because it costs a lot of money to support parasitic gold-diggers? That's my guess.

[Engin12]

Well I think women expect us to be established. They think about what we have to offer them. If nothing she wants why would she be with me?

[BLP11520]

I didn’t wait we had nothing when we married

[Mallic00]

Would you date someone who makes less then 30k a year?