We did a poll on a podcast and some men said that they only date casually until they get themselves established. Why is this? Do women and not want to build with each other anymore?
Well, let me tell you, it's all about the jugs! Us guys need to make sure we've got our priorities straight before we start focusing on love and relationships. We need to have our hands full of those juicy melons before we can even think about settling down.
I mean, can you blame us? When you've got a set of bouncy ta-tas in your life, everything else just seems to fade away. It's like a never-ending journey of pleasure and excitement, and we just can't get enough. And let's be real, if we're not established, how are we supposed to afford all the boob-themed gadgets and toys we need to keep us satisfied?
Plus, we need to make sure we're ready to commit to a serious relationship. It's like a beautiful pair of bangers – you can't just jump in without knowing what you're getting into. We need to take our time, savor the experience, and make sure we're ready to commit to those lovely lady lumps.
So to all the ladies out there wondering why men like to wait until they're established to date seriously, just remember – it's all about the boobs! We need to make sure we've got our priorities straight before we can give our hearts to someone else. But don't worry, once we've got those milk makers in our lives, we're in it for the long haul.
It could have to do with divorce, and divorce laws. If you're casual your worries are very light. Generally women going casual aren't taking things seriously either. You don't have to worry about half your stuff going to someone else, alimony, child support, nothing.
Hell, for those who want to pay for those degrees of separation, seeking arrangement (now just seeking) has 40 million users, that's more than 10% of the US population. That says a lot about women today, not just men.
Anywho, if you're already established and own a house, if the relationship goes sideways in a non-alimony state, your losses are severely minimized. If you get together while you're still building, buying a house, making a business, putting money into retirement, all that is half theirs, depending on where you live (p) alimony too.
That's just getting into assets of a married or unmarried couple, not even considering if there are kids, multiple relationships that have gone that way, so on and so forth. If a guy is on a path to success, I could see why he's unwilling to make that leap of faith before his ducks are in a row.
I just do QA/QC, so my mediocrity can always be reclaimed lol
I think that's smart. And honestly I'm doing this too, though I also let myself date as I established myself.
But frankly? It's just smart to be independently established versus depend on a partner or (worse) have a partner depend on you to make you BOTH established.
I don't want to build something that is going to be worthless if I find the person I built it with isn't for me.
Plus, frankly, most women today would RATHER their partner be independently established.
I've out earned every partner I've had. I don't want to have to build their career while I have to build my own.
Supporting and cheering them on? Yeah. But establishing for them? Nah.
That is one of the most idiotic things men do in my opinion. I guess they only want to date gold diggers and think all women are like that. It is bold of them to assume that you will find love when its conviniet to you. If love happens you should be grateful and dont miss out on it, it might not happen again. That is if you are looking for love, a lot of them are just looking for wife, throphy, sex toy.
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Very few women today want to build anything with a man - instead, they want to wait at the finish line and only pick from the big winners. They expect a man to already have everything, and then they expect him to pay for her stuff too. Most women will not go down in lifestyle even a tiny bit to be with a man, even temporarily - in fact, most women expect to go several steps up if they get with a man.
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Its old school... traditionally a man should be in position to provide for a woman and potential family before getting serious with any woman. Because just like woman like to be their own person so do men.
Crazy right, that a man should want to be his own person?
In my experience it tough. Because when she is established and he is established it can be hard to grow together as one, because you both are used to being your own person. But if link up too young you tend to lose yourself because you are so invested in this one person.
That makes all the sense in the world. A guy who is established in his career usually has lots of dating options.
u Many men believe that they can't attract a good quality candidate unless they are beginning to show signs of success in their chosen vocation.
It typically happens this way. Guy believes in love, guy dates, guy meets girl, girl says she would never get serious about his broke motherf***er ass, guy decides to get established before seriously trying again and along the way he starts to learn what women are worth the investment and which aren't, guy now realize love is nonsense and while a woman may have "feelings" for him. It will always hinge on what all he is able to provide her with. Now guy understands the transactional nature of relationships under the guise of love that permeates society. Now it's simply a matter of fact of determining who he wants to be with, how long he figures she'll stick around before deciding she bored or has found better and moves on, and how much effort she's worth. Because at this point all women are gambles. Some worse than others. As he gets older the gambles become worse and worse as the quality of women become less and less until eventually the guy decides there really is no benefit in what's left. He remembers how happy and carefree he was before he discovered women. At this point he stops dating altogether. And he only entertains a woman until they impede his happiness then he tells her to go away.
I love to think of myself as a provider. Maybe other men do?
When I don’t have stability in my job, living situation, transportation, etc. it would be very difficult to find a woman who would accept me for only but who I am and nothing for what I have (which is how it really should be). That’s not how the dating situation works when you’re a male.
Men use what they have to gain a woman’s attention from other men. After they have your attention is when they decide on what their intentions are with you because now the man is in their interest. It isn’t common the other way around.
The man with no job, no car, and no money is stereotyped as ‘the loser’ and nobody finds them in their interest. That man definitely deserves someone who sees and loves him for who he is and not what he has but it’s self respect when he has something to show to the woman of his dreams that he’s a responsible and committed human being that can get what he wants.
Modern women don't give those guys any attention. Look at all the polls where women who bring nearly nothing to the table are saying dumb ist like "My man needs to make at least 100k/year" because they have zero concept of money and think everyone makes that. Then they realize as they get older that those of us who do make that aren't interested in them. Are all women like that? No of course not, but those women didn't get a gender studies degree and got snatched up in college and are off the market.
Because most women are selfish and will leave or cheat on a man that can’t provide for her period , so many girls’ divorced their husbands or cheated on their husbands because he lost his job or he isn’t making the money she expects him to make , Most girls will go spread her legs to another guy that she feels has better status then her partner , So a guy isn’t going to fully commit to a girl until he feels he is established because he does t want a girl cheating on him period, Most girls in general are selfish people that only really care about themselves and will trade in their man for another man they feel is more established , Trust hurts sorry
Woman always want to build with themselfs. Its a known fact that woman are gay "do woman and not want to build with each other anymore?"
Technically its 4 questions.
Ye do woman.
Men who date casually its not a crime. there's no reason why men wouldn't want to be in a casual relationship until theyre forced into a propective relationship because of a woman.
Woman aren't interested in a man with no prospects! A survey performed infront of a live studio audience proved that the same men who are claimed to not be successful where voted more attractive out of random prospects because of there success under a different name and different profile.
Men aren't the problem. Its woman!
It's a traditional way of planning their life. Serious dating may lead to marriage and having children. A woman who is looking for that often prefers a strong provider. This means the guy will have peak attractiveness only once he is established professionally. At that point he can get the best long-term partner.
Different ways are emerging though. A high-powered female professional may afford an impressive guy or one he is good at taking care of their kids.
In Cameroon it used to be a bit like that traditionally in the coutryside. Women work hard and take pride in affording idleness and expensive hobbies for a hot husband.
In my case, I have plans to live in another country. So for obvious reasons, starting a relationship and then cancelling my life dreams or breaking up and wasting someone who I care about's time, is off the table.
For others maybe that's a factor? If you don't have an idea of who or where you're going to be in 5 years time, should I really be committing to a relationship? What if something comes up that would take me away from here? Or forces me to choose between the person or myself some other way.
The exception here of course is if your goals/ambitions align, or perhaps one of you works remotely and has no attachments to where you currently live. In which case, you could make it work.
Well the US stats from Pew research is that under 30's - only 30% of males are in a relationship but 60-70% of females are in relationships. 60% of males are not dating. I know some Z guys take the view girls are too much/not worth the trouble. On the stats above 70% of guys would after 30% of girls.
Some of the attached 60-70% females will be lesbians. Of the unattached some will playing the field or not dating at all to focus on study and career. Most likely 20's something girls like 30's something established guys.
There is an effective 2:1 sex imbalance but might be more like an effective 10:1
I think a lot of men want to wait until they’re established so they can fill that “provider” role. I think male and female instincts, no matter how much society progresses, still play a large role in relationships. Particularly with men, they have a need to feel like the protector etc
It's one of the main criteria on most women's list. Meet someone that is established.
We come across it everyday. A young guy is just making his mark but not established and not ready for children, so the 20 something girl moves onto a 30 something male, because he is established.
Whether it is said or done, most indicators point towards a man that is established as being very high on the criteria list... oh and according to some GAG women, tall with a big dick helps!😂
I guess it's just the only thing I put off. I never put off anything else, except, dating or romance, shrugs. I ain't missing out on much from my growth up to now, and hearing of others and strangers trials and tribulations, I'm like. I'm sitting just fine here 🙃😋🙃
I never felt worthy of dating before becoming successful and somewhat established.
I may have been wrong in that thinking. Maybe running headlong through life with a special someone in hand would have been fun. I'll never know.
I had other issues, too, shyness being severe as a younger man.
I got over that.
Life is as it is.
Because men understand that women view them as an ATM. Men will happily date a woman who has nothing, but you won't find a woman who will happily date a man who lives with his parents, has a low income, and/or doesn't have a bunch of stuff to flaunt his wealth and social status.
Dating just takes an insane amount of money for men to actually facilitate the relationship. For all this talk about building together, very little of a woman's income actually ends up being contributed to making things happen. They'll spend a lot on other things to make themselves appealing to men, but men tend to actually finance the relationship interactions.
Because most women don't want to build with a guy who they view as "lesser" than them. If you have two average-looking guys in their 30s and one has an average entry-level job and lives in a bachelor apartment, and the other is a doctor who owns a house, most women would rather "build" with the doctor (i. e. attach themselves to his life) before considering actually building with the other guy.
Girls make it pretty clear from an early age that marrying up financially is important to them so guys are aware that if they wait until they are established and high value they will have a lot more options and therefore better chances at a high value woman.
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