Are incels, redpill, MGTOW type people right about some things?

[KlinkyCoder]

My life experience so far: Male, 31, had only one dating/relationship partner from 2015 to 16 for a year and we broke up and I went back to square one. Besides that, the women who I was attracted to or had a crush on didn't work for one reason or another like being ghosted before even getting to introduce, having less than "perfect" social skills, etc. I am still a virgin and want to date again, but feel like I might not be a "great catch" to women because of multiple physical and neurological factors, some I can control but some I can't.

I believe that the phenomenon of involuntarily celibate is real and the concept of hypergamy has some truth, and dating might be getting harder every year for men and women, but for different reasons. Not as many women tend to be "incel" because they are choosing from their own agency to accept or reject a potential partner and the man who gets rejected 99/100 times or not even one at all loses out and understandably gets frustrated. The latter is more like true forced loneliness or isolation and the former is just because you voluntarily choose not to be with someone. There are some exceptions to that rule but this is the average.

Do not confuse this stuff with hating on the other gender. Because you make an observation or statement applying to either gender or the interaction on average is not inherently sexist, evil, or what you.

[Billlewis]

The only concepts, philosophies, etc that I think involuntarily celibate guys are correct about is their collective admission that the intensely pleasurable experience of having intercourse with an attractive woman is a coveted, highly sought after privilege that is increasingly becoming available for only the most desirable 20% or so of the male population.

Where I believe their beliefs diverge from my own sentiments is that I view this phenomenon as a very positive and valuable aspect of female/male relationships -- because anything that compels men to work harder to date, romance and provide pleasure for women can only be regarded as a plus. This is my opinion only.

[KlinkyCoder]

That is mostly right, but how is it really a good thing in terms of mental well-being and sexual/romantic relationships if only a smaller concentration of men 5-20% have that coveted experience. I disagree that the rest of those men can necessarily have the ability to become that desired, considering there are a few traits that are outside of people's control.

[Billlewis]

Because it makes guys work harder to attract women and treat them the way they deserve to be treated.

[inhua]

they are right about a lot of things that society refuses to acknowledge. for example one of them is the misandrist double standard between domestic abuse. a woman can abuse a man in public all she wants and nobody bats an eye but the moment the man stands up for himself, people want to demonize him. there's no need to "make stuff up" when there is clearly video evidence of such existing for the whole world to see

https://www.youtube.com/embed/XNrWuZV3jjw

[LazerBean]

Yeah, just about every group is right about at least one thing.

[OlderAndWiser]

They are correct that THEY should stay away from women!

[DarkWinterNights]

Bit of a blanket statement for three very separate mindsets. But regardless, I’d say “incels” further socially and sexually isolating is actually far more radicalizing and dangerous. I feel like the proper course of action is to help guide these young men into having a purpose.

[KlinkyCoder]

That does not fix the original problem.

[OlderAndWiser]

You asked are the various groups right about anything. Yes, they are. I provided an example.

[Anonymous]

Of course they're right. It's the degree to which they're right though. Are women golddiggers? Most people like money. Technically that makes everybody golddiggers. Do you see what I mean. a lot of it is perception. It's no different then the woman who has dated 10 guys. All 10 guys f*** her and then dump her. In her perception all guys are bad. But she doesn't consider what's obvious. She's very bad at choosing good men. Again 90% of life is perception.

[rukus88]

1. become high value man 2. accept that feminism has made most modern western women not worthy of a high value man 3. fuck until you find one of the life 4 that are left.

[slatyb]

Have you considered therapy or counseling? There are women who feel the same way you do. You don't have to be perfect to date.

[Anonymous]

They are right about most things which is why they get hated on and shamed.

[DarkLegacy]

My point exactly

[AngryCarl2]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[LiamJHayden]

Almost everyone is right about some things.

[DarkLegacy]

Of course they are right, i support them