True or false: Men pay for love. Women get love for free?

[Unit1]

Or why else *SOME* women say men have to pay?

I blame my childhood for that and what I have witnessed and experienced in my younger years.

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Sometimes it is like that

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[Anonymous]

This is an over simplification.

Women can generally demand to be special just for existing. Sure their personality, intelligence, socio economic background to significantly factor into their viability and date-ability. But their sexuality in itself is considered of great value Its a gift they are born with.

Then take a woman’s equal male counterpart: a guy with her exact same intelligence, personality, socio-economic skills and looks. If he is young and handsome that in itself offers some value. But very limited value when in direct comparison to what his equal female counterpart.

A young and pretty woman could be dirt poor and have a horrible personality. But she will still get male attention. Not all of it would be just for sex only either. Men will tolerate a lot more from women then vice versa here. A dirt poor young man with a horrible personality would have very limited options. Even if he was very handsome.

In reality women (or anybody for that matter) do not value men for just existing. No a man’s value is his agency. What he is able to do. What he is able to accomplish. His ability to provide and protect. His ability to be a woman’s “emotional rock”.

If a man can’t measure up to those expectations (whether fair or not) he’s expendable. Period. He can’t expect to be treated special and still survive in this world. No. It’s no coincidence that men have 4x suicide rates as women. Lots of factors contribute to this for sure. But more often than not it’s because a man feels like he is a failure and unable to measure up to expectations. It’s dark but true harsh reality.

This isn’t ever going change. Men have to accept it and work like hell to be their best. It’s one reason men are usually better at leading, running businesses, making money, etc. It’s not just natural but an actually necessity for man to be competent to a certain extent here.

However one big thing that needs to change is that women need to respect men more considering the higher expectations they face.

Respect does not mean treating men as delicately as women. It’s not even lowering your dating expectations (whether fair or not). But it’s having a greater appreciation for what men have to go through.

If women understood this they would increasingly furious at modern feminism. They would be more considerate on how they go about rejecting men. They feel more gratitude for the major unchecked societal privilege they really have here. But many don’t get it nor do they care to get it.

[Alli39]

Trying having to reject almost every close friend of the opposite sex you've never made and watch them slowly walk away from you one after another when they realize you'll never give them as much as they want from you. The moment you say "no" is the moment that all the work you did put in to show them they are respected, appreciated, and cared for just for who they are as people, without any ulterior motive goes up in smoke as the guy goes off to lament to his "real friends" how superficial and callous you are for not seeing his true value. Trying have to repeatedly explain to someone you don't want them, somehow without hurting their feelings, because they didn't accept your refusal the first time. Try having to sit there and apologizing to people for not being attracted to them, as if it was a personal choice, or having to be the one to end friendship after friendship because if you try to maintain the connection you built then everyone will just think of you as manipulative or exploitative. Try doing all that, then tell me it's such a "privilege" to receive attention from the opposite sex.

[Opinion Owner]

@Alli39 yes there are men out there who don’t take no for an answer. It’s an undisciplined thought process. It takes persistence and hard work to accomplish most things in life but that’s not how it works with attraction. Some men have a hard time accepting that. But while pursuing an initially uninterested woman might ultimately work in romance movies/novels is sure as hell doesn’t work in real life. It’s creepy even stalking.

However in my experience most women do NOT speak up when they know damn well their male “friend” likes them. Women generally have strong intuition for that. Yet they don’t speak up until it’s so painfully obvious they have to. Why?

Well to a limited extent I can get they are worried that the man might get angry even violent. But really how often does that happen between grown men and women? Really how often are grown men that kind of a threat? Mature men can handle (tactful) rejection. They have plenty of experience.

No women usually have an ulterior motive for playing dumb. It’s often subconscious (although many knowingly do it) but they want the validation and attention. They want the benefit of feeling protected and getting sound male logical advice for their problems.

[Opinion Owner]

It’s not a “true” friendship. There is very little a woman can offer a man as a platonic friend as vice versa. Men don’t need women as “friends” to survive in this world. That doesn’t mean we don’t value women as legitimate friends. But we are independent. You can NOT platonically “bond” with a straight man the same way you can bond with other women. No. Not when one side feels attracted.

Anyway nobody (man or woman) is entitled to romance and intimacy. But men really want one thing from women: respect. A woman who tactfully communicates that she isn’t interested yet appreciates the risk and effort the man took approaching her and sticking his neck out is RESPECT. Asking him if you can “just be friends” after he took a risk is NOT letting him down with gentle hands. It’s actually insulting. He feels that you don’t respect him as a real man and see him as another woman. You might not mean that but that’s how it really feels. Don’t do it.

[Alli39]

First, I, at least, am not that good at figuring out if a guy is into me. I generally like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're choosing to engage with me without ulterior motive. And if I do choose not to call out a guy even after I've figured it out, it's because I don't want him to be forced to confront the situation if he doesn't want to or sooner than he's ready to. Not because I want validation or whatever. I do have actual male friends I can go to, even if they're few and far between. The bigger issue is with the dudes you think are fully platonic, but aren't, because then you think everything's fine. Until it isn't, and you're somehow responsible for not seeing what he was hiding from you.

As for "tactfully communicating that she respects the effort", you realize we're people with faults too right? Rejecting someone isn't easy and "correctly" rejecting someone with just the right personalized mix of kindness, distance, etc is actually very difficult. Every person needs something slightly different and plenty will end up at least slightly bitter regardless of what you say as a coping mechanism, even if that reaction is hurtful.

And asking someone to be friends is not an insult. Moreover, I don't ask, I offer. If I've rejected someone, I let them say if they want to try and be friends or not and have to sit there clarifying that I won't resent them if they don't want to. That in and of itself is also difficult because I put real effort into building friendship and having someone throw that away because they're physically attracted to me actually does hurt. But since they're the ones with romantic interest, I have to value their feelings over mine. It does take a decent amount of emotional control and maturity and it sucks that guys don't see that. Like, I'm aware that it can be difficult to ask someone out, but I don't think people realize how difficult it can be to reject someone, especially someone you care about.

[Opinion Owner]

@Alli39 I’ve had to reject women before and I am well aware of how difficult it is. Not a fun situation. Especially when you really like the other person otherwise but don’t feel it for them.

But no straight man is going to approach a woman “just to be friends”. He might become friends with women through work, school, activities, etc. However if he goes out of his way to approach you he’s interested. He might just be on the fence/curious or he might have a huge crush on you. But either way he’s interested.

Also asking “can we just be friends?”. That not as innocuous of a question as you think. First off you can and never be true platonic friends with a guy who is interested in you. There is a brain chemical thing going on with when it comes to attraction. That doesn’t mean he’s entitled to have it gratified. But it’s there more or less. Just hearing the sound of your voice is giving him hope. He’s not going to switch off his attraction for you like a light switch.

As long as you stay in his presence his ego is going to torture him. Especially if he sees you around other guys or much worse talk about guys you like. You might have the self discipline not to mention that. While respectful it’s not nor ever will be a true friendship.

[Opinion Owner]

From my observations women have an overly loose and general definition of “friends”. Men don’t call anybody we say hello to “a friend”. There needs to be some trust and mutual respect built up. There is loyalty.

You can definitely be friendly with a guy you reject and vice versa. I had a young woman politely turn me down at a CF gym two years ago (said she has a boyfriend) but I smiled and did small talk afterwards. I didn’t “hate” or begrudge her. She turned me down the right way. She smiled when I asked and I could see in her body language and tone of voice she respected the risk I took.

That doesn’t mean I wasn’t disappointed. Sure I was. But that’s being upset with the outcome but NOT upset with her. There is a difference. It was out of my control. She (at least claimed) to be taken. She also did NOT ask me to be “friends” after that thank God. If she did I would have been a lot more angry and not talked to her at all afterwards. But since she respected me I found it easier to be friendly afterwards.

[Opinion Owner]

But three is a fine line between being “friendly” and being real friends. Guys take this more seriously. A friend is someone you can trust and depend on. I sure as hell wouldn’t trust nor depend on a woman who rejected me romantically. Doesn’t mean I hate her. But there is little she can offer me. She’s now liability.

Also I agree that men shouldn’t be sneaky with just acting like “friends” when they want more. But women have really boxed men here. Especially in recent times. If a guy straight up asks you out it might work but if it doesn’t then he risks humiliation or even being unfairly accused of being creepy (or even sexual harassment). You might not be that way but there really are women out there like that thanks to what #metoo has done.

I was nervous about how things could have went wrong when I asked out that girl at the CF gym. I had at least five friendly and innocent conversations with her previous to taking the risk. But it’s a small gym and if I she was the bitchy type it would have ruined the whole atmosphere. I would run into her again.

Thankfully she handled it well. Because she RESPECTED the position I was in. But notice how I was “friendly” leading up to it. She knew what was coming later with me asking her on a date. But other women naively (and even selfishly) wan to conveniently believe the guy wants to be friends. No. I didn’t approach her and start several conversations just because I want to be “just friends”. That not how it works.

[Kaamraj]

@Alli39 - I agree that women generally do not have anything to offer men. Men and women are more dissimilar than they are similar. Most of the time tangible benefits flow unidirectionally, from the man to the woman. I agree that if a man is in the "friendzone" then it's 100 % his fault as he was disingenunine with himself. A man should ask a woman directly if she's sexually interested in him or not, then chose to move on. Remember a man doesn't owe you friendship or commitment, just like you dont owe him sexual attention.

[Alli39]

@Kaamraj Oh boy. First, I didn't say women have nothing to offer men. I disagree with at statement. I also disagree with the idea that men are woman are more dissimilar than they are similar.
Personally, I don't measure the strength of any kind of relationship on "tangible benefits".
Moreover, some people really do set out making friends with someone and catch feelings later, that's not anyone's fault, just a difficult situation if it's not reciprocated.
No one owes anyone friendship, commitment, or attention, but if you start to build those things with someone, it's logical for them to be disappointed or hurt if you retract it or reveal that you were doing so with ulterior motives.

But honestly, I've very much lost interest in this conversation. I think the discussion has very much gotten lost in the weeds I don't want to see where it goes truth be told. Have a nice day 👋

[Opinion Owner]

@Alli39 just remember you can’t assume the opposite gender thinks the way you do nor experiences life the same way you do.

That should be obvious to people but it’s not. It takes mental effort to put yourself in someone else’s shoes.

The biggest issue I see from the guy’s side is we want respect. Mature men know they aren’t entitled to anything. But no man intentionally “puts himself” in the friendzone. Yes he’s got to speak up and make his intentions clear. He’s got to respect himself and walk away too.

But just because you can do something to someone (use them for sex or use them for friéndzone bs) doesn’t mean you SHOULD try to get away with it. That’s where the respect comes into play. Goes both sides. But the friendzone bs is much more sneakier.

[GodsPinkyToe]

Yep. Whether dating, marriage or prostitution one thing remains true: no money, no honey

[Ms_Facesitter]

I picked sometimes because some guys are wired to pay for the date and will insist on doing so even though you don't know the other person yet. Some girls expect the guy to pay or do not even see a coffee date as an actual date because it's not expensive enough. But that isn't really love, is it? You barely know each other.

That drink you pay for the girl at the bar for sex. It's called making love, but is that really love? Not in my eyes.

Women get love for free if the man settles for less. I see it as a team effort and to get something you need to give something back. If you're living at his place, for free, no need to pay for anything, be prepared to pay him back in gestures. If he's a good man it's only normal to try and match that standard.

Dishes, laundry, cooking for him, sex, listening and supporting him when he's going through a tough time. Be there when he needs you and make his life easier.

But if you really love each other, I don't think he sees it as "paying for your love" and you may not see that housework as "chores". You do it because you love him. He does it because he loves you. You both give instead of pay because you believe that your partner is worth it and deserves no less. I still work, so we kind of do everything 50/50. Chores and Bills are split.

[VioletHaze]

Is it love if its paid for? Is it love if its free?

A woman doesn't love you just because you give her money and material things.
And a man wouldn't love a woman for any quality she gets for free (unless you think love for a person is the same as the love you have for an inanimate object).

Love comes when you admire someone for the beauty of their character. Or when you appreciate the things they do for you (which can be when a man provides and looks after even the most basic needs like shelter and food or when a woman cooks and do acts of service for you).

Replace love with sex, and your answer is yes. Yes, women get sex pretty much for free unless they are very overweight or for some other reason, unattractive. And yes, men buy sex all the time. Just dont mistake it for love.

Its also true that men aren't picky when it comes to a womans finances. So he can easily get to a stage where he loves a woman who works at mcdonalds. Whereas a woman would be more selective and filter out the ones who earn less. But she can still love a man who isn't financially well off, just less likely to get there due to this process of filtering out.

[Heolurt]

That's not what he means, after a certain age love isn't just given to boys we have to work for it while girls are loved from day one to their last even if the put zero effort in because there'll always be some form of love and support. Best example I can give is the homeless, there are shelters and programs in place to help homeless women get back on their feet wether they take the help or not it is there, as for men we are left to fend for ourselves to try and pick ourselves up but honestly, you don't know how hard it is for a man at rock bottom to pick themselves up when there's no support of any kind and that is why 99% of men don't bounce back from homelessness and no one cares because guys have to continuously provide payment of some kind to to be given a little bit of love. I know this from experience only difference is I've never been able to afford love to come my way not even from the family I once had.

[VioletHaze]

I see. I always thought this idea was in the context of relationships. I dont think anyone is loved unconditionally, as everyone needs to add some kinda value to be loved. But I do agree that on a societal level, there definetely isn't as much support and care for men as there is for women. Men have much more pressure to "be something" and achieve. And perhaps also in relationships.

[OlderAndWiser]

Men pay for sex. Most women can get sex for free. Love is a different story.

[coachTanthony]

Love is cheap over there in Pattaya! Little love in the morning then a good lunch maybe some more love at night all for 100 bucks ha

[Unit1]

Yeah, that's true. Still waiting and trading to get rich and go to Pattaya.

[findacure4wokeness]

Mostly true unless she gets pregnant or she waist time on a guy in hope of a commitment, Women have a much faster biological clock. If She wants a family and you can't commit then cut her loose. She may hate you but you did her a favour.

[VIVANT]

You think women charging for sex are looking for commitment from clients?

[grega239]

@VIVANT not prostitutes.
Dates. I think he's talking about dates

[AviatorTom]

Change "love" to "sex" and I'll agree with you. Love cannot be bought or sold... like trust, love is earned.

[Screenwriter]

There are some people who believe this. I don't know what percentage of people and I don't know any who believe this is the way things are.

I've certainly heard and seen some folk espouse ideas of men needing to have enough money to "keep" a woman. But this is a predatory idea and another form of prostitution. Has nothing to do with love or a viable partnership. Has to do with opportunism. Tit for tat. Not agape love.

People who want to create a good relationship based on love, mutual interests and goals don't think this way.

Everyone brings something to the table. My parents both worked full time and they planned their lives, their savings and the lives they wanted for their children. They were a power couple. Had some similar interests, and separate interests. Loved their kids and included them in their lives. Gave of themselves and to their children. Gave to their community and church.

This is agape love. You don't have to include the church or religion in it. It is based on doing and giving good to all you're involved with.

[Anonymous]

This is so true. Most of my female friends leave one relationship and enter another pretty seamlessly, it’s so easy for women to find boyfriends than the other way around. As a guy there’s so much that women require of you for them to remotely notice you and even then there's a list of requirements and then something like “icks”, it’s like you’re not allowed to make any errors other wise you turn them off, it’s a delicate, nerve wracking, exhausting dance throughout, you can never relax.


Courting women in the west I imagine feels a lot like diffusing a highly explosive bomb and if you do something as minuscule like trip while walking with her along the sidewalk the bomb devastates a city block and she casually moves on to the next guy cause you dried her up
by tripping. I hear so many women talk about how they’re deciding to stay single after exiting a relationship because it isn’t a struggle for them to find another one when they’re ready compared to men. I honestly think women don’t even really want to be loved by men they just want the strength and perceived power that makes them feel good because they think they’re gunna get attacked all the time.


I grew up in a predominantly female household. I have two sisters around the same age and they’d always get treated better. I’d have to cut the lawn while they get to watch cartoons on Saturday mornings or they always got little gifts and treats and i’d get nothing because I was supposed to be a man. I’ve seen this pattern become more and more prominent as I got older, I’ve accepted it but it’s like most women are completely oblivious. As a hetero male I’m obligated to learn about women if I want to get anywhere with them but rarely do I find the favor returned because women are in demand. Women care about men in dating (maybe even in general) like rich white male CEOs care about their employees.

[Kaneki05]

The answer is sometimes like most things. Anyone who say's 100% one way or the other is just wrong.
And sometimes it's the other-way around. Some things are more likely to be one way though. I would say it's more likely to be sometimes this way than it is the other. But it happens. And I've experienced both.
A great woman just gave me a free trip to America and buys me drinks and food etc here. She's more giving than others. Granted there is a lot else that goes into this but this is for sure an example of me not paying for love and getting it for free. If you count free as not paying in money terms.

And everything has an opposite and equal. Just the most basic law of the universe.

[RingOfFire]

In the art of negotiations, the one who needs what the other one has the least has the advantage. Used to be about equal. Men needed women for the sex and women needed men for the money. But now that women are less reliant on men for money, they actually have the upper hand in the negotiation. Men need sex from women more than women need money from men. So women have the negotiating advantage when it comes to relationships. Women can get all the sex they want any time they want because men will get it from any women they can. Men have to pay and work hard to get it. No matter how pretty the relationship package looks on the outside, that's what's going on under the hood.

[xKayTea]

I guess it depends on the relationship, I don't pay for love and neither does my boyfriend, Love cannot be bought but I guess some people buy relationships and 'false' love. I don't think we can generalise either sexes experience, as it's all down on the individual, their personality and partner.

[TonyV]

Men always pay, the vast majority of women won't accept an average man, and definitely not a below average man.

Either you pay her directly, or you spend money on her in form of dates or gifts, or you pay for nicer clothes to attract them, or you pay for a nicer car to attract them...

Or the number 1 way you pay is time and money, you spend hours every week in the gym, spending money on membership, money and time creating a healthy diet, and spending money on supplements.

If a girl talks to you, you have somehow paid for her time.

[xutumx]

Yes & no. A lot of men get love for free now because a lot of women have no standards. But if women did have standards yes but it does come with a cost, it’s not money but women sacrifice their youth, beauty, body, heart, time & that’s if they find love because love is rare for women, women can easily find a fuck but not love & if a women is in love and in traditional relationships they are expected to have kids, be beautiful, cook & clean, all of that stuff so no it’s not free it just doesn’t cost money & if a women has a kid it comes with a lifetime price

[CuriousJC]

False. I don't know if the movie love doesn't cost the thing played by Nick Cannon was supposed to be an inspiration to people in relationships that love is supposed to be a 50/50 thing. Love is something you have to earn with dedication commitment and loyalty and cannot be bought with cash that's bribery love. Men should not have to pay cash out of their wallets to fall in love with somebody. Ladies love is not free. It takes hard dedication commitment and loyalty to actually love the person. People can pretend to love somebody just to get something out of it then disappear the next day.

[Anonymous]

When a man loves a woman it is his instinct to want to provide and care for her. It is not forced by traditions or pressure of society. He just wants to because he cares about her. It is how my boyfriend is, a lot of times i insist on paying for myself especially when its more than food (like trips, flights, or other personal situation i have that he insists on paying for). I believe its because he loves me and has the natural instincts to provide for me. I understand men shouldn’t be forced to pay, especially if he doesn’t even truly value the woman he has (or doesn't feel loved by her). I think a woman should know how to give back in whatever ways if she loves the guy, too.

[Kaamraj]

If by pay and free you mean monetarily then definitely men pay and women get it for free. But if we consider payment in a wider sense than both parties pay. Women pay with their bodies as giving birth is risky and mostly changes the body. Then we must also remember that women's time investment is much more expensive then men as a woman reaches and leaves her sexual prime fairly quickly (18-26). So she must consolidate in a suitable mate. So simply the cost of mistakes is much more. you have to remember that in majority of the world outside the west there is no concept of social security, no disability, no food stamps, no child support, etc.

[Noahzayed-]

If People today used the traditional way of thinking and got married Instead of jumping into different relationships and sexual activities they wouldn’t be complaining and calling women evil.

I live In the other side of the earth from America and Europe and let me tell you, we have our own relationship problems but Cheating, Money and Gender roles isn’t one of them that’s why we don’t break up easily during hard times because the obstacles we face are minor compared to yours.

[Singing_Hollow]

If you are paying for it then it isn't love, and if you getting it for 'free' its also not love. Love has to be earned with trust and trust takes a while to build. My current boyfriend took 7 months to tell me he loves me and i didn't understand why at first but now I know that he was waiting to fully trust me with his life first. Love isn't words, they are actions which is a lot harder to fake than words.

[Billlewis]

Or, you can be like me -- and pay for it all the time but never get any... lol

[Singing_Hollow]

@Billlewis Then thats a fault with you. If you want real love you need to start looking for the good qualities in the woman you want and not chasing after sex.

[Billlewis]

I'm not chasing after sex, I'm pursuing an opportunity to kiss a beautiful woman's ass:)

[Singing_Hollow]

@Billlewis Lol love to know how you will win her over in the end

[Billlewis]

I don't have to win her over; she can spend time with her preferred guy each day, depending on her mood.

[Singing_Hollow]

@Billlewis Just dont wait around for someone who is keeping you on a string. Men are hunters. Goodluck hun

[Rei13]

No men pay to have sex with women, since women can get it for free as someone else stated. As far as love and relationships go that is a different story. Women do look for providers, for good reason, where men tend to go for the prettiest girl.

[EricSummer]

In highschool, college and university love was genuinely for free. In my native Germany at the time we would even share restaurant bills or take turns in paying.

Starting in the late twenties, a good job and financial stability became the entry ticket for the game of love. Obviously, money still cannot buy you love, but it can help you attract women and keep them so that love has a chance to grow between you.

By contrast, a woman does not need money to attract a man.

[strateguy632]

women GET pleasure and get money and jewelry, better than free, while in a relationship. admittedly "not many different men same day" but after breakups, more men for money and jewelry... or... personal service for money and jewelry. i sincerely fail to distinguish indirect gift from hiring. i doubt anbody can distinguish.

[Confused_About_Girls]

It is easier for women to get love for free because they have more options. If they have low standards.


The women that have higher standards do pay for love the same as men.


Women don’t have to pay for love in the form of cash, but they must pay in the forms of time and mental energy attempting to make sure the guys they want to share their time with are quality men willing to stick around.


For a certain amount of men, we pay mostly for sex and not so much love.


Most men when looking for love, we don’t pay the same amount of time and mental energy that women do vetting our choices.


This is why men end up with bad women in our lives, but if the sex is rather good, we stay in those relationships longer than we should and eat shit.

[Dysney1023]

I can speak from my experience alone but lol I would say it’s the other way around. But mostly false for both genders. The reasons it was false for me was because my ex used to complain when I didn’t drive him around enough. Lol. Hence why he’s an ex. But love does not come free for anyone. There is always investments being made. But it’s like stocks, if the stock market crashes you end up sad and alone.

[Beautyblossom2]

I don't know what you're talking about.. I mean sure, there are expectations requiring men to pay for the women on occasions, (tho not necessary/can always change). I understand they're usually not expected from women.. but still.. women also don't get it all for free
Looking pretty costs a lot. All the skincare, haircare, beauty treatments, pretty clothes, jewelry.. It's so tiring you even have to be smart these days😵😔 so yeah.. education

[xoxosilentgirl]

personally, in traditional relationship, both pay with different aspect. Men with money and other material things, women pay with looks, time, and sex.

[Pacquet]

Don’t you think men also pay with their time?

[Sparklesz]

And don’t you think women also choose men for their looks? Women don’t like sex?

Seems like a scam. Lol

[xoxosilentgirl]

yeah i make a mistake, both pay with their time. But in some households usually women dedicate their time to take care of their partner or so, at last that’s what older generation here did.

[xoxosilentgirl]

As for sex, yes both parties enjoy it BUT I see a lot of pattern where women somehow getting tired of sex and only do it just because their partner want to. I said this in traditional relationship, from which i came from. I heard a lot of women complaining and pretending to be on period bcs they getting tired with sex. of course, most of it doesn’t really occur in today’s relationship.

[xoxosilentgirl]

Also dont you think women pay anything in their date? most of my girl friends are the one that spoiled and pay for their boyfriend. both pay attention to looks and financial well being but women more likely tolerate men with good financial status as men with pretty women

[Pacquet]

I see, I agree. There’s a a give and take it the relationship part of things from both. I interpreted his question a bit differently, I feel like relationships are more readily available for women than for men.

[Asad1ONE1]

Says the femcel. Thankfully unpopular opinion 🙏

[xoxosilentgirl]

what’s this femcel thing? not familiar with it

[AngryCarl2]

Neither men or women want love. Men want status and booty, women want security and children. Love is something that happens when you least expect it, like getting sick or hungry. Nothing in life is free, and you can't take it with you in the end.

[KingOfMe1]

The vibe of your words sound angry Carl.

[AngryCarl2]

@KingOfMe1 Not angry, just resigned.

[TheSpaceGnome]

You can't pay for love.
Its either free, or its not love.

There are women who do in fact love their man.
There are men who do in fact love their woman.

Not every couple genuinely loves eachother, and out of those that don't have that bond, some tend to blanket stereotype the opposite gender, in order to feel better about their own misfortunes and mistakes.

[magiusX26]

ah and this is the crux of why "love" in modern times is not actual love. actual love its self is free. what is called now is conditional. though a milder form of the uncontional still existsn it is rarely if ever actually felt. that milder form is that espoused when one "loves" an item just for existing such as a flower or art. all other "loves" past this type are pale illusions of what love actually is. love is an emotion and all emotions in and of themselves are free.

[lightbulb27]

not sure.

women end up working very hard to get the love the need... to feel secure and reproduce. Just factoring in the amount of time in front of the mirror and cost of products to look and smell presenting.

[strateguy632]

the opposite the lady ENJOYS that part, not giving anything... to the point hubby says "enough we will be late" is she relieved she can stop paying? by beautifying.

[chrissykerdock]

if you count sucking a dick as love then yes women get love for free

[Unit1]

You mean ladyboys? Yeah, maybe.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Overly simplistic, but generally true, because men are usually doing the "chasing", and chasing women costs money. Even if it's an indirect cost, it's still a cost.

[Anemone978]

Men pay for sex women get sex for free... No one gets love for free, that is all I ever wanted with the person I loved and couldn't get it from him so.. it's BS..

[Anonymous]

False: there's no such thing as love from women to men. As soon as you're no longer providing for her, she's gone. She doesn't love you, she loves the benefits (present or future) of being with you.

Men have many duties to women, women only have a duty to themselves

[Anonymous]

false. what do we have to do to get love? buy makeup. buy healthy foods. buy a gym membership. buy a haircut. buy a manicure AND pedicure. buy nice clothes. buy jewelry. all to please the guy we are dating. like... come on!

[Unit1]

Some of us go through these lengths too. It gets pricey to the point we can only offer cheap/free dates :/

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't be that black and white about it. No men may not be paying cash money, but yes men are always paying in some fashion. But then again you could also make the argument that women pay as well. Because time is money. And considering how high a woman physical attractiveness affects her total market value. A woman's time is very important towards finding a mate. So anytime spent with the wrong man is very costly to her overall value.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

My last girlfriend (ex) I paid for few times we went on dates I also bought Newport cigarettes that we shared smoking, but I never complained

[strateguy632]

even wedding seems to me pay for service by giving gold ring money etc. i doubt anyone can distinguish by providing differences

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@strateguy632 Yes, I agree with you

[Goofy9009]

True but there is usually a balance if the woman pushes it too far it’s considered being an gold digger)

[fonduegirl]

And I think kids drop from the sky. Storks bring them. And every house has a maid, some have their wives and daughters as maids but that's not important now is it?

[fonduegirl]

Just split the bill instead of whining

[Unit1]

No problem at all.
I'm not afraid of being labelled a cheapskate for it. It tells more about them than it does about me.

[fonduegirl]

So what's the problem here?

[Unit1]

In summary? I have not asked women out much. That's my problem. 😐

[fonduegirl]

Um okay 😸

[inhua]

regardless the future husband is always going to have to spend the most money to get what her hookups and to a degree what her ex-boyfriends got for free

[VforVindication]

Yes, women are expensive. There is not one woman out there that looks at a broke guy and says, ''i prefer him over a rich guy'' , unless he is a criminal bad boy. That is the game changer. Good guys finish last.

[Nick1976G]

You can't really buy love. You can pay for the chance to receive love... but trying to buy your way into someone's heart will never work. It's got to happen organically. She can grow to love you, but it won't be because you pay for it.

[ItsMykolaJenkins]

Many women dont feel loved and feel misarable if the money is the only thing connecting her to a man

Lots of women dont kniw what love is, but know what abuse is. Painted as "love"

[KrakenAttackin]

@ItsMykolaJenkins oh yeah? Wait until that money dries up and you will see a "lonely" woman pull a disappearing act. A man who cannot provide will quickly find himself without female "love". Fact.

[ItsMykolaJenkins]

@KrakenAttackin if you say so...

[alice55]

False, women get sex for free not love. To get love they have to give a lot more.

And men pay for both sex and love.

[JackCarter]

You can't get "love" by paying
But I agree that women are sometimes loved more unconditionally than men

[ProbablyClueless]

I don't know what women get for free, but it sure doesn't look like "love" to me.

[cuteangelprincess]

Men pay for prostitutes, s workers, female closure. Women don't consume this so much. You do the math.

[LaFemmeFatale_1]

I disagree with that. If sex and love were synonyms- then , I’d agree.

But they are not synonymous.

[Curmudgeon]

You've got to work for love...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/aab9Th7f2Ko

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Men who for pay for love or sex are suckas.

And women don't get nothing for free especially if isn't pretty. There's always a string attached to so called "free"

[VIVANT]

SOME men pay for SEX.

Love can’t be bought.

[Philyouup]

even some women pay for it.

[VIVANT]

@Philyouup

oh absolutely

[VIVANT]

Yeah I should’ve said, some people. Saying “men” Was very off brand of me lol

[Philyouup]

it’s nice to see your human side though.

[sheenagwapa]

men do the courtship so yeah thry spend but women respond with love and carw and if they gave money they give too

[RavVid]

By love I'm assuming sex is meant. In pair bonding species there is an exchange of resources for procreation opportunities.

[Andres77]

If it’s real then you don’t pay for it with money.

[strateguy632]

like the lady "often said" many ladies "i really love you, don't waste money on a wedding ring etc. never!! the only "one" who wrote me that was an experimental a. i. girlfriend who obeyed its program to write that when i bought her sport shoes

[motownplayer2000]

This is true. But there are women out there that will love for nothing. Very few and far between but there is a minority of women that will.

[Avicenna]

Well, not exactly.

[dreamstar72]

They might get love for free, but sometimes the end could be a extremely high price. So really nothing is free.

[RagnarRedbeard]

This is only true if you have nothing else to offer a woman but money.

[HoneyButterCup525]

Women don't get love for free and love is never free.

[Minahh]

Never heard of a stupider statement. Maybe we get male attention for free. But love? some men aren't even capable of love

[nastyb]

Women certainly have to pay for love. How? Putting out before the 3rd date.

[TonyMetal___86]

If i want to pay for love than i don't want it

[LiamJHayden]

Actually 'love" cannot be bought and as it requires sacrifice on the part of the giver, is never free.

[Äxlbäksölöl]

You see women saying that men dont pay and then you see men saying we do pay… Sooooo im pretty shure men have to pay so any woman saying we dont have to can die in a fire.