Would you date a girl who is political and has a lot of opinions on matters around the globe?

Depends. If it's based on pure facts and secure logic, I wouldn't find much friction at all.
But I believe we are all familiar with the rabid leftist who still cannot grasp the idea that the masks didn't help at all and that the shots are questionable. Or with the religious right that will justify their position on nothing more than their interpretation of a Jewish God's decrees.
I'm basically autistic so when one starts jumping around me telling me Orange man bad, because he is _____, which holds no bearing on whether he's the better leader or not and may in fact be a plus... I find it as nothing but emotional and they sound like parrots straight from CNN.
On the other hand, one that can give real reasons will at least get my ear. At the same time, with their ability to do so, I would expect them to be able to see someone like Gavin Newsome with his governing results is simply not a better choice.
So it depends for me... if it's coming from a place of real reason... I will respect and value it. If it's just tribalism... she's a retard.
It's more a matter of having blatantly wrong or mindless opinions than having or voicing them in the first place. A huge chunk of people that (anecdotally) seem to be disproportionately women have strong opinions about issues they're completely ignorant of, solely because it's trendy or they heard about it on social media, but can't actually explain why they hold this viewpoint or justify their stance. This tends to be attributed (accurately) to mostly leftist viewpoints, but like it or not, it's very common on the right, too.
Yes. That'd me a major turn on for me.
While I'm not hugely politically active, I want to be more involved and I enjoy attending protests and supporting causes.
Being actively involved in our community? Sounds like a win-win-win.
The answer is probably the same for both men and women.. it would come down to if their values matched and for some the intensity (very into politics to couldn't care less) needs to match as well.
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It really depends on the girl but yes I would I like a girl that has vision and believes in morals and values and ethics and believes in protecting people that cannot protect themselves I wish there were more of them she's a leader she's not a follower she believes in things that are powerful and for the right reasons
Depends if these opinions define who she is or does she have other interests? Not dating an activist thatâs for sure.
If this wasnât for you why did you go anon? Also why didnât you make it a poll?
Anyway when a man meets a âpoliticalâ woman then 9 times of 10 sheâs a modern feminist. So how exactly how is an ideology that hates men (and donât bullshit me otherwise because modern feminism REALLY IS about hating men) going to be âattractiveâ to men?
And the men who support crap this are just really just sneaky liars and betas. They donât really believe the bs feminists spout. They just âsayâ they do thinking it will get them laid.
Maybe it does for a few of them but to sacrifice your self respect and very identity just to put it in a woman who actively hates men is beyond betrayal to both men in general and to yourself. But some guys really are that desperate. And the benefits they are getting are extremely short term. I wouldnât trust a self identifying feminist for a long term relationship nor would most men.
Well I agree I didn't have to go anonymous. I guess I was talking about it to my friends a while back and we were wondering if vocal females were a turn off, seeing that females in co-ed schools seemed quieter than females in all girls schools (from experience). So I was curious about the male perception of the political female. And I wasn't thinking about a particular ideology like feminism, but generally someone political/expresses her views passionately. (That said, I respectfully disagree that all modern feminism movements are about hating men because I am a modern feminist myself and so far men I've dated have not had any issues with any of my beliefs. I supported my ex-boyfriend emotionally for a long time when he was sexually assaulted by a woman, for one. And feminism did guide me to go down that path. I know there are feminist movements that are extreme, but not all of them in the modern world are.
I would enjoy it as long as our values were aligned.
Over the past few years, my wife has become more and more knowledgeable about politics and global affairs. Initially, it was due to my influence. But especially since covid, she has become rather obsessed. She watches podcasts and reads a lot. She even joined a group called The Assembly that is composed of very informed people who have weekly meetings about all kinds of things that normies would call conspiracy theories. They even teach how to take personal action to protect against tyranny.
I'm sure that the left would call them far-right wing conspiracy theorists, but they are anything but right wing. Many have liberal values but have broken away from divisive, binary labeling and political partisanship.
She and I have really good discussions. It cracks me up when she gets energized by new information. And I love her for it.
The most ignorant people have the strongest political views.
I even have beliefs myself. But for me, I was convinced of those beliefs and had my mind changed.
I do not therefore go around telling everyone who disagrees with me that they are horrible evil monsters.
I am capable of juxtaposing my beliefs next to anyone else's beliefs. I can take in anyone else's ideas and them make them better, and then I argue my beliefs with the best I know of of theirs.
Who else does that? Who else is actively trying to prove themselves wrong?
I don't see it.
There ain't any women out there like that. There aren't men. It's just me.
All by myself in a sea of dummies.
Depends on what these views are. I'm not particularly hostile to people I disagree with politically and I can have debates without holding any grudges, but there's a line that I usually don't let people cross.
If she's OK with any of these 3 things, it's an easy no:
1) Racism and white supremacy apologist/enabaler
2) Pro-LGBT
3) Feminism
Apart from that, I can take differences of opinion.
Is white supremacy the only unacceptable kind of supremacy. Are you ok with Jewish and Negro supremacy?
@findacure4wokeness Your name is pretty suggestive of your views, but I'm going to answer that dumb question regardless.
No, I'm not OK with any kind of "supremacy" if that's what you're wondering, but the reason why I specifically highlighted white supremacy is because of American history and what my ancestors have had to endure. The world had since changed for the better, but there are some new problems that were created since the end of Jim Crow in the 60s of the last century. Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan are the pioneers of the modern day criminalization of the Black community with their war on drugs policy, while turning a blind eye to Contras smuggling cocaine into US borders and instead arresting Black people for buying and distributing it, all in the name of combating communism. The 100:1 policy of crack cocaine to powdered cocaine prison time put MANY in jail for longer sentences even though both compounds are very similar.
I can go on and on, but you get the point.
Only highlighting the white kind isn't the only thing that suggests you are biased. The politically correct are only allowed to criticize one race these days and your whole post did only that.
@Datboi65 not to drive a wedge here. Societal racial conflict is always minefield and I try to avoid if necessary. I all think we are aligned on some things after reading your comments.
But I just have a hard time believing that movements like BLM (much worse CRT) are really helping achieve racial equality. Not assuming you are part of that. I am certainly not part of any racial identity âideologyâ movements myself.
But I should be able to criticize âequityâ (not the same word as equality) movements as counterproductive given itâs racist in principle to legally treat one group of people better by racial identity and/or punish demonize another group by racial identity. Thatâs not empowerment. Thatâs just telling one identity that they inherently lack agency therefore need to be treated with kid gloves. I am NOT a âwhite supremacistâ for making that argument.
Anyway not assuming you think that way. But there are a lot people who believe that nowadays. I just donât see how that is going to empower minority groups to be (truly) respected/independent and/or not anger non-minority who are being labeled/punished for something they had nothing to do with.
Long story short I just hope you dissociate people who have mainstream conservative views. Some people nowadays equate that with radicalism which is bs.
@findacure4wokeness The group that's the most capable is the group that's the biggest threat, and they do move accordingly. Black folks don't have the kind of power to throw you in prison for a bs reason, neither does any other group. If I lived in Saudi, I would talk about Arab supremacy and racism. The fact you keep pushing back against that tells me all I need to know.
@blueonblack22 First of all, I gotta say I respect the tone of your reply, even if we don't agree. I think the ability to be diplomatic with someone you disagree with shows maturity, so I will reciprocate.
See, I grew up in a middle class household and both of my parents growing up were board-certified pharmacists. My older siter is currently an intern (graduating medical school in 2021) and I'm a medical student. I think it's safe to say that I don't necessarily come from an average family.
My parents were very well-read and growing up we discussed lots of topics. Even though they both worked as professionals, they tried to maintain a traditional and religious household so my siblings could learn to prioritize that.
We had a conversation about Black history (we're Black) and they made sure to make me understand that our accomplishments as a family are an example that you can do anything you set your mind to no matter your background. However, they also wanted me to know that these obstacles are very real and they do get in the way of some folks. Just because we were able to get through the buffer zone does not mean that others can. They wanted me to care about the bigger picture as opposed to individual success, and one of my goals in the future is to promote more Black people applying to medical school.
I didn't have to take any loans, they paid for my education. I lived in a good neighborhood, so I got a better learning experience than those that didn't (because schools are paid for from property taxes).
@blueonblack22 I was trying to draw a picture in the last post, and now I will bring it all together.
My life is an anecdote. Doesn't mean that my experiences aren't valid or hold any value, it means that it's one of many. When we look at the bigger picture, we start to see a pattern. The anecdotes are usually used to support a narrative harmful to the overall group, which is why it's important to look at all the data presented and make a conclusion from that. I could've been one of those "Blacks are lazy, I'm Black and I'm successful" types, but I'm not. I'm realistic, and I understand that success comes with a combination between hard work and circumstances. People don't usually like to hear this, but it's true. Your circumstances can mean anything from your ethnic background, socioeconomic background or lack of connections in a particular field. To demonstrate an example of what I mean, take a look at the United States Postgraduate Medical Training application system and you will come to find out one of the most important parts of your application are away electives that you have in an institution different from your own. Why? Because of connections. Now imagine someone who cannot take that opportunity due to their circumstances, they will miss out on the ability to network with physicians outside of their institution, and it might cost them their entire application, despite having great results in the board exams.
You simply don't have a lot of opportunity in these neighborhoods, and it's further complicated by the lack of a stable education, which creates a recipe for disaster and a high drop-out rate.
Nobody asks for equality of outcome, most people ask for equal opportunity. My family are a living example that it's possible, yet so many people usually don't get the same chance despite their intelligence and work ethic.
@Datboi65 yeah I am trying to improve my outlook on things lately. Be more patient.
I cohabited with black people for 3 years. I own a townhouse and I had African roommates (from AfricaâŚnot African American). They were with me during lockdown and all the BLM protests in 2020. The thing is we got along fine but when that all went down things got very uncomfortable. We used to joke around and occasionally have deeper (yet respectful) conversations about sensitive topics (i. e. race). But went BLM all went down I noticed a change in their behavior. It wasnât for the better.
Anyway I might be a white guy and a moderate conservative but that doesnât mean I look at the world the way BLM activists accuse me of looking at. Also my viewpoints change with age and experience. How I think now isnât the same how I thought when I was a teenager. I admit I once had very wrong thinking patterns and assumptions. But people change with experience and hopefully for the better (hence maturity).
But I will be flat out honest I donât believe nor ever believed BLM really is going to help black people. There are sociopaths who lead movements like these and use it to manipulate peoples emotions for their own personal gain (both white and black people).
The movement is secular as well. I donât know if you have spiritual beliefs but there are biblical ideals that have endearing qualities to them. For example forgiveness is a very powerful ideal. Itâs not about letting people walk over you either. Itâs about not holding onto grudges/hate because that ends hurting you more than the other person in the long run. But BLM a looks at the world as a zero sum game. Thatâs not helping anybody.
Anyway I want to say congrats to your family, your sister and yourself for what you are setting out to accomplish. And you are right about your life while not anecdotal to the bigger debate does value in itself.
However I just think the âmodernâ approach to achieve racial equality isnât work. Itâs just making things worse. But too many people fall victim to their emotions and too many clever sociopaths are all to ready to exploit that. The smartest guy in the room is unfortunately rarely the loudest.
@blueonblack22 So you will notice in my first response I never once mentioned BLM, and I did so intentionally. To me whether or not they exist is irrelevant, but the reality is that there are real pressing issues that need practical solutions. I think that when I look back in history, there have been plenty of movements that were less radical that were villainized at the time before they became successful. Abolitionists and then the Civil Rights movement after that. MLK at some point was considered a threat to national security by the FBI. Say what you want about BLM, but they are currently the only existing nation-wide movement that supports equity for Black people. I'm very well-read about others that are more radical like NOI for example, but these are usually less powerful and hold less influence.
I want to bring this back to what I said previously, that the bigger picture is more important than anecdotes. Whether we're talking about poverty, discrimination or even crime we have to look at data and draw a conclusion by also looking at the context. A popular talking point is usually about crime, which is usually what happens in single mother households that are in poverty. Again, I don't want to use myself as an anecdote here, but I've never even jaywalked or gotten a ticket let alone commit any crime. That's due to my upbringing, which is vastly different from other Blacks.
@blueonblack22 What I would want people to do if they reject a particular movement or thought process (which is their right to do so) is to elaborate on why that is and how that position is better for society, and then provide a better alternative. I think that would work better than telling the other person that they're not a terrible person, don't you agree?
I for one reject feminism. I was raised to value traditional relationships and I think that feminism has contributed to the destruction of the Black family (alongside deindustrilization and the drug war). An alternative would be to have an in-depth conversation about the new roles of men and women in the 21st century given inflation and adjusting each other's expectations (unless you make 6 figures) so to avoid the whole "I don't need no man" drama. See? That's doable.
What I find out is that at the end of the day it's hard (if not impossible) to make everyone happy. I think with time and wisdom you learn how to compromise (depending on how pressing the problem is) and unfortunately that cannot be measured by everyone to the same scale. I have relied on a rational approach whenever I tried explaining this to people on this platform, and I always got the same emotional and accusatory "you hate white people" response that completely disregards any point I tried to make. I think what the country needs more of is better communication, but until that happens we will probably continue to have the same problems.
@Datboi65 As a white guy I don't care about Arab Supremacy because white people don't need them to help us. I looked up Jim Crow and read that it was a list of Racial segregation laws abolished in 1965. I look at the black world and they seem to all ways do everything they can to live with white people. White people who don't want to live with you are not a threat but your reliance on them is your biggest threat. You can't honestly say that diversity is good for white people can you?
@findacure4wokeness So you're not even well-read on the topic, and you're here arguing our of hostility? Good God đ
Go read my post again and tell me where I mentioned "diversity". You took that long for a pitiful response, it's actually hilarious. The other guy is better at getting the point across than you are, and the irony here is that you just went ahead and proved my point about right-wingers arguing with emotion instead of particularly common sense when it comes to the issue of race.
@Datboi65 I read your entire response. Also yes you didnât mention BLM. Given itâs so entrenched in our modern zeitgeist itâs hard for me not to use at as an example. But again I acknowledge you didnât use it.
Also thank you for providing additional context about your upbringing. Having a nuclear family and a local community has an exponential impact on young peopleâs decisions and values. There are exceptions all the time of course. But I too was fortunate to be raised by a 2 parent household. That doesnât mean everything was perfect. Far from it. But you and I were luck in those regards.
Anyway the problem is most people donât have the mental discipline, patience and self perception to think through extremely complex issues such as race relations. This even includes people who mean well but are ignorant and/or afraid of being labeled something they are not.
Mental shortcuts are in vogue nowadays. And when someone feels slighted by a mental shortcut they often respond back with one (depending on their maturity).
But again even though you didnât bring up BLM that is unfortunately the mental short cut many people want to take on that in society. They assume you are either for it or against it. There is no in between.
The deeper problems are what is going on in local communities. Thatâs where the real change needs to start. And that is not something a president or governor can influence. A movement canât influence it either.
*includes people who mean well.
@Datboi65 Reading about Jim Crow isn't a prerequisite to experiencing your hostility. I'm experiencing it now because it is you are urging with emotion. Some people don't have the down time that Med students seem to have these days to stand by ready to shit post. You mentioned that your opposed to Jim Crow. The opposite of Jim crow laws would be the promotion of Diversity right?
You will never answer my questions directly because your afraid of the truth. We both know this on some level and this is the source of your hostility.
But If you are ready to prove my wrong on that account and genuinely surprise me let me know, Help me to see the error of my ways.
@findacure4wokeness Your lack of self-awareness is truly amazing. Let me remind you that it was indeed you who started this debate, so I'm in no way obligated to return your answer but I do so because I wanted to prove a point. To say that I had time to "shit post" when I didn't troll you in anyway after you originally wrote under my comment is the joke of the century.
Now where was I? Oh yeah, Jim Crow. My post had little to do with Jim Crow, it was more so about the aftermath of that and the end of the Civil Rights era aka the modern day world. Not only do you know so little about the Civil Rights movement, I don't even think you know anything about modern day developments outside of what you hear at your echo-chambers.
The opposite of Jim Crow isn't necessarily diversity, it's fairness. I don't give a damn about being in a "diverse" neighborhood, I just don't want sabotage, government-sponsored ethnically-motivated sabotage. Is that too much to ask for these days? Funny how people like yourself will point the finger at me for saying this, then turn around and play victim accusing others of being quote-on-quote "anti-white" for speaking the truth.
@blueonblack22 I agree that mass change starts at a local level. If you pay attention, you will notice that most of the problems that permeate society are found in all cities and in all states, not some select ones (albeit to variant degrees depending on the place). You take drugs as an example, and you find that no matter if you're in Vermont or Tennessee, there is wide-spread distribution going on. For local elections to be at their full potential, people need to learn their importance over the more mainstream state or federal elections, but since majority of Americans are apolitical, I doubt it will make much of a difference for now.
Now I haven't mentioned this, but most of my views would be considered traditionally conservative, but I don't vote for a particular party. I have two good reasons for this. 1) I already mentioned was the issue of race and 2) the hypocrisy I see in Republican politicians with regards to traditional values (which is a different topic for a different day).
@blueonblack22 As far as BLM are concerned, I'm aware of the $90 million fraud case and the $6 million dollar mansion. I know about this, and I don't donate to them, neither would I personally encourage anyone to do so if they don't show transparency. I don't like the fact that like I said there are currently no alternatives to them on the same scale that are mainstream, sound and non-radical unlike the NOI for example. This is where I think nuance is important, because to me it's a dilemma of choosing to abet the same establishment that broke the trust of the community in hope that they can potentially rectify themselves and make a useful impact, or not doing so and potentially risking any breakthroughs in the forceeable future. Even if we remove BLM, the issues I mentioned remain very relevant and important for our community and if it's only an issue of the movement and not thr principles, then I don't have a problem with that. However, on the opposite side there are people that usually use that excuse to have an opposing view (not saying that it's you) and no matter what new authority is introduced in the matter, they will never find them good enough even if they had a decent public record, case in point MLK and the smear campaign against him back in the 60s.
Also, thank you for the kind words about my family. Indeed, it's true that being raised in a healthy, happy nuclear family is the biggest difference maker that there is and I'm grateful for that. It's an unfortunate reality that the number of those families are decreasing more and more in the 21st century which in my opinion should be seen as a threat to national security.
@Datboi65 no worries man. At the end of the day I really want is best for society. But I just feel what is going on now is more damage then good. I realize itâs complex as you described above but there has to be a better path. Here are a few bullet points of of my thoughts.
- There are differences among different ethnic groups. This comes from tribal differences which unfortunately leads to tribalism. There was in a time in history that interacting with a different tribe could be a very risky (life threatening) endeavor. This wasnât alway a black and white thing either. But as society progresses we are slowly but surely transcending that barbaric (and often racist) behavior. But letâs be real that it takes more (initial) effort to bond with people outside of âyourâ tribe. More people need to put effort into this vs. doing it just to be ârecognizedâ by others just to be progressive.
- The greatest minority is the individual. People are complex and come from backgrounds with advantages and disadvantages. Politically speaking Iâm noticing one side of the aisle is gotten much worse about general blanket racial statements in recent years. That doesnât mean the other side is always ârightâ but I noticed that the left has taken race from âa issueâ to âTHE issueâ. Thatâs very dangerous and counterproductive in my opinion.
- Change isnât easy. And improvement doesnât come by depending on someone else to âfixâ your problems. Yes there are historical injustices that have placed African Americans at a disadvantage in society. Not going to dispute that. But there are issues in the African American community that can only be resolved internally (black on black crime, single motherhood, etc.). White people canât fix that and stupid ideas like âreparationsâ definitely wonât solve it.
I believe a lot of black people are well aware of that. They are frustrated, angry and often embarrassed about it. However you canât sweep that under the rug while fixating on say police brutality and pretend these internal issues will magically go away. Those issues deserves equal if not more focus then George Floyd incidents (I am NOT saying what happened to him was okay). When you clean up your side of the street then you got more justification to criticize the other side. I realize thatâs not that simple but the focus HAS to be on African American local communities and families first.
- Prejudice and racist attitudes are not an âall or nothingâ label. This is always in flux. It just comes down to how the human brain has a nasty habit to âcategorizeâ certain scenarios and people. To a certain extent this was necessary for survival during our cave man days (related to tribalism). But when left unchecked it devolves into prejudice or worse racism.
Point I am trying to make it too many people think in absolutes (including activist âwokeâ people and far right types). Itâs mental laziness and I hate it. I know I had some prejudice attitudes when I was younger (not always racial but also against certain classes of people). Ashamed of it at times but it was in the past. Life, traveling, interpersonal relationships and experience made me change my outlooks on things. Makes me re-evaluate my thought patterns. That doesnât mean I will like and agree with every minority I meet. That doesnât I am or ever will be perfect. But I can improve and have improved. Humans can mature.
Anyway just my two cents. Appreciate the convo. Keep up the good work with your studies!
Also you are 100% correct about â It's an unfortunate reality that the number of those families are decreasing more and more in the 21st century which in my opinion should be seen as a threat to national security.â. This is how a civilization dies. Intentionally going extinct.
I am a friends with an otherwise level headed and well educated guy who decided to decided to get vasectomy at 27 just because he never wants to have kids. He would make an excellent father but heâs bought into the scary lie that âthis isnât a good time to have kids in this world. Scary.
I wouldn't rule out dating her, but it certainly would make her less attractive. The issue is that most people who are "political"--ESPECIALLY young people (which is really who you'd want to date)--don't really know anything about anything. I'll always found it the height of intellectual arrogance when some random college kid (not even a graduate mind you!) thinks he or she has the world all figured out. Like, they can barely keep their own shit together but somehow they have strong opinions on matters around the globe? Give me a freaking break!
Oh who were they, male coworkers? Male University or college males? I'd say I'd like a girlfriend who's not overly anything. Balanced and cool and calm.
If they were quiet, I'd freak all the time having to feel I had to chat constantly lol. Then again if she was too loud and *me me me* herself, I don't think I could handle the two of us being opinionated and loud-mouthed about it 😜😜
It's harder to describe in words than I guess if I had any real life examples or real life *I remember when*. Lol.
Well that depends on a few things. Did she go to a liberal college and did a gender studies course or one political course and now considers herself an expert on all things? Hangs out with LGBTQ crowds and is brainwashed by whatever they tell her? Then HELL no.
It depends on how we get along. The issue I have is that politics is often a fundaments for arguments that lead to nothing but further arguments. So if we don´t share opinions but also have opposite opinions on certain areas it could cause problems. So generally speaking I wouldn´t reject a political active girl the problem would rather be her opinions.
Nope, been there done that.. They usually have a high sense of self importance, and I'm a goofball and joke around a lot.. I'm not looking to walk on eggshells especially when they have a strong opinion I might not agree with.. Even if our values aligned and we shared similar political opinions... I don't know about that chief..
No, this is because I am the one with higher sexual mean value (SMV) that's why she chose me. So if we are serious she's going to imbibe my socio political views. I don't need to be challenged by someone who is worse off than me in terms of accomplishment and for whom I am responsible for argue with me.
If she is an old fashioned conservative she is much more likely to be proposed too then a politically correct feminist with a chip on her shoulder. Nothing is more refreshing then a smart girl that thinks for herself by pushes back against the new norm in favor of speaking the truth.
The problem with a woman like that isn't whether she's political or even whether she has lots of opinions on world events; those things could easily be extremely attractive to me. What I don't like is when people like that don't actually know what they're talking about and have no clue how to express their opinions appropriately.
Depends on her beliefs and stridency.
If she thinks its all a sham, I'd agree with her.
If however she is one of those types to have a political party or favored politician, then it wouldn't work out.
If she's concerned with international matters that are not ecology related, I'm not interested.
Political is something. Being brainwashed and filled with idealogy and propaganda is another. If a girl is political then she is well read and educated and its so important. I apperciate a girl who keeps herself up to date about worldâs affairs. But being zealous with political propaganda is a red flag
Not as long as she has rational explanations for her beliefs and is willing to listen to counterarguments. Nothing wrong with being passionate. If she is just a fanatic who spouts cliches then I would not want to be around her. Especially if she takes disagreements on political matters personally.
This question has the most simple answer. People don't like views that don't align with themselves, so it all depends whether that girl views align with them or not. If they align they obviously aren't going to be upset.
I want someone aware of politics⌠since you canât function effectively in society blind to the corruption and manipulation in government and media, but I also donât want someone who is overly consuming political topics because itâs unhealthy.
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