Is It Time To Re-evaluate The Definition Of A 'Nice Guy'?

[Billlewis]

A Real, Genuine Nice Guy Knows He's Not Going To Have Intercourse With Her

Nice Guys Can Still Occasionally Have Intercourse With Women

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The debate rages on, and the point of contention is whether or not a nice guy really, truly expects to get his dick wet, or if he simply enjoys the relationships he shares with the beautiful women for whom he so thoughtfully simps for. A common insult directed towards nice guys is, 'You can't possibly think that you're going to get laid by kissing these women's asses like this, can you?', etc. However, we know we're not getting any pussy and we're fine with that.

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I just read something so incredibly thrilling that I'm still in disbelief that I actually read it... s young woman commented on the subject of nice guys, and she recounted a situation in which a guy she worked with, who was crazy about her female co worker, would wait on her hand and foot every day, . and she described the night that he went to her apartment and helped her assemble her new bed... because the guy she was seeing at the time was on his way over to spend the night with her!

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The familiar saying, 'Nice guys finish last' doesn't necessarily apply to every facet of our lives, but it's a guaranteed, ironclad outcome when it comes to having intercourse with an attractive woman, but knowing that I'm making her happy and comfortable, while also giving her a nice ego boost makes my unending frustration well worth every moment of it.

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How's this for a nice, sweet guy who is very useful for a savvy woman who knows how to take advantage of a loser?
www.justanswer.com/.../...friend-shares-bills.html

[Meropatrick]

No, no one rejects something nice. A nice cup of coffee, a nice host, a nice car. People use the term nice to cover up inadequacy. Nice is not the same as inadequate. A guy who uses niceness as his only tool to get the girl but provides zero personality, zero skill, zero looks won't get anywhere. The same with a mean guys. With nothing else to provide to the girl he won't get any girl. There are many mean angry guys out there with no dates. I met several celebrities in my life and they were VERY nice people and they got many women. Because they didn't just provide being nice. They provided status too.

[RedInnocent68]

Agreed with @Apple1996. It’s also more than occasionally, @Billlewis 😉 It’s not ‘going to get laid by kissing these women’s asses’ which is a very bro, women-hating attitude that legitimizes incel culture. It’s more, loving women’s asses (and everything else). The point is, being nice is not being selfish.

[RedInnocent68]

@adaeva, having trouble replying to your thread, but interesting discussion and hard to disagree with. Is there similar evidence regarding female reproductive success?

[Adaeva]

According to genetic research, 80% of women reproduce, but only 40% of men reproduce.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=912673

Moreover, 8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man.
psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

[RedInnocent68]

Fascinating. Thanks, @adaeva! Certainly supports the alpha male hypothesis, but also shows the girls are selecting to evolve a gentler, kinder humanity.

[Adaeva]

I'm not sure that I know what most girls are selecting. I may not be like most girls because I am greatly influenced by my grandfather. He explains and tells me all kinds of good stuff; some my mother wouldn't approve of but she doesn't need to know.

[RedInnocent68]

Fair. I mean in the sense that the 17:1 has come down to 2:1. That suggests a lot less killing competing males and raping females by the alpha males, and more empowerment of females to select partners for characteristics other than brute strength, rather than only mating with alpha males. There’s some solace for incels there, in that their statistical odds of mating have improved significantly over evolutionary time. Definitely going to remind some people on here of that 😂

[Adaeva]

Alpha males don't typically rape women because they are the ones the women want to fuck. Rapes are by omega males because no woman will fuck them.

[Billlewis]

@Adaeva Exactly.

[RedInnocent68]

Could be. But 8,000 years ago? Maybe gammas? (Perhaps closest to the bitterness we see among incels today.) Among animals an alpha will kill an omega before letting him mate with one of his females.

[Billlewis]

For any guy who's disappointed that he's not getting any pussy, the three 'M's are always a source of salvation -- money, muscles and music. Of the three, muscles are the easiest to acquire.

[RedInnocent68]

At least you’re pleasant about it. You have neither the ambition nor the bitterness. You’re an omega, right @Billlewis?

[Adaeva]

@RedInnocent68 The omegas will never challenge the Alpha male but other Alphas may. It is hard being all too often another Alpha will challenge them to win their females.

[Billlewis]

Truthfully, I've gotten quite a bit of it, but as David Lee Roth once said, 'You always want what you haven't got'.

[Ben487]

@Adaeva so things are improving. Its just taking a long time lol

[Adaeva]

During the almost 3 million years of human history, 60% of men never reproduced. They were the nice guys. And, that is how it is now. 27% of men ages 18 to 30 have had zero female sex partners.

[Billlewis]

Here we go -- another very knowledgeable young lady whose amazing acumen about male sexuality continues to manifest itself.

[Nifrayu]

Nah. I'm a nice guy and I have reproduced.

[Adaeva]

@Nifrayu There are exceptions.

[Billlewis]

Of course there are exceptions to the general rule that men who are polite and courteous aren't necessarily destined for permanent celibacy, but generally speaking, the sweeter we are, the more frustrated we are, and that will never change.

[Drewtate]

Hard to say. In caveman times there were no paternity tests, with gang banging and rape you'd never know who the father truly was.

[Adaeva]

@Drewtate DNA evidence has established that 60% of men have never reproduced. We don't know the biological father because women mated with good providers and when ovulating had sneaky sex with the Alpha male, However, 40% of the time it was an Alpha male because DNA evidence established that 40% of the offspring of other species with mates, typically birds, are by males other the female's mate.

[Drewtate]

Birds are not mamals. 60% of men probably never produced because they or the woman they got pregnant died.

[Adaeva]

@Drewtate Doesn't matter. If you want to understand the behavior of human females, watch the birds.

[Masterodd]

WOW... I wonder does this 14-year-old qualify as an adult? she is soooo smart

[Exterminatore]

@Adaeva

100% correct. Prostitutes wouldn’t exist if it wasn’t for “nice guys.” I hate the term nice guys. Weak guys would be more accurate.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore I think you just nailed it yet again, Sir. Thank you very much for your impressively accurate assessment of simps like me.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

👍👍👍

[Drewtate]

No you see birds aren't mamals. Birds are an offshore of reptiles. There are many birds species with different mating and birthing strategies.

[Adaeva]

@Drewtate Not all birds have long-term mates, but the female behavior of those that do is very much like the behavior of human females. We are closely related because mammals and birds have a common ancestor.

[Drewtate]

If you want to examine baseline female & male behaviour as well as mating you really have to look at primates.

[Adaeva]

@Drewtate That too would be good.

[Billlewis]

@Masterodd I know, right? I think this savvy, insightful young lady is a future superstar psychologist, therapist and potential celebrity. A young, attractive Dr. Ruth, anyone?

[Adaeva]

Thank you for the MHO.

[Billlewis]

Hey, you earned it by a country mile. Thank *you* for making this thread a success;)

[Drewtate]

Like gorilla origies and slutty apes. Who is the father?

[LazerBean]

Test to see if I can reply now that their account has been deactivated

[LazerBean]

This poster is known to be a man who poses as a female child. He blocked me whenever I pointed out that the two pictures he used were not even of the same girl lol

[Lliam]

@Adaeva. The reading of that graph is totally inaccurate. Look at the broken down date ages 18-20, 20-22, 22-25 and 25-30. 50% of men btwn 18 and 20 are virgins. 2% of men 25-30 are virgins. Averaging those numbers out gives a misleading picture.

[Apple1996]

Nice guys aren't being nice just for sex but because they actually care about the woman

[Billlewis]

Exactly! Somebody actually gets it.

[Apple1996]

If he's doing it just for the hopes of getting sex then he's not a nice guy at all

[Billlewis]

Right you are, Goddess.

[Mansearching]

Very true.

[Exterminatore]

@apples

My dying balls they are. They’re begging like a dog for table scraps.

[kaxeka56577]

I am not nice on either occasion as I am not a good boy.

[Faith18letsgo]

I’m a girl but I’m bi so I still sometimes feel like a “nice guy” I feel like the different is with most of my female friends I’m attracted to them and I love them and would have sex with them but I’m not like biding my time waiting for an opportunity I genuinely am happy just being friends.

[Billlewis]

As an attractive woman, are you more likely to take advantage of a nice guy than a 'bad boy', and more likely to have sex with the bad boy? Thank you very much.

[Faith18letsgo]

This is not to be a dick I just really want to make sure I understand stand your question. Can you define/give examples for the terms: “take advantage” “nice guy” and “bad boy”? Thank you!

[LazerBean]

There are a couple exceptions, due to them also being unattractive and having some odd mental issues. But in general , all the good men I know did well in dating, found the girl they wanted to marry early on, and are living good lives. These good men are actually nice, not the same kind of fake nice mem that are on r/niceguys.

[Joshydavid25]

I'm a fairly nice guy, and I definitely have not always done fine.. But the chances were available to me mainly when I was younger.. I think a truly nice guy can get some.. As long as he knows when to be nice and when to be more stern..

[Billlewis]

Yes, Sir, but there's a huge difference between a nice guy who's a loser and nice guy who's an alpha stud so magnificent that even other men have little choice but to bow down in acknowledgement of your utter, complete superiority, and beg for the privilege of groveling at your exalted feet. I do mind making a complete fool of myself in my deference to you, because I know you deserve every compliment, every gesture and every word of praise that's uttered by those of us who recognize your place in the pantheon of true superstars.

[Billlewis]

I *don't*mind making a complete fool of myself.

[Sparkie460]

There are basically 3 types of men.

There are users that are nice on the outside and will tell a woman anything she wants to hear just to get her pants off.

There are bad men that force themselves on a woman and don't take no for an answer.

Then you have the good guy who treats a woman with respect. Takes her out on dates and doesn't expect anything in return. He will wait until she is comfortable and she wants to have sex.

[Mansearching]

As the "nice guy", I got to live with 2 strippers. Seen them naked constantly. Was able to go into locker room at club, saw more naked ladies. Was able to have hands on bare breasts during dances when other guys couldn't.

Plus at regular bar I can put my hands on butts and tickle them and wouldn't get slapped.

I'm the nice and safe guy... lol

[Exterminatore]

I’ve always said I would rather have a group of girls talking about what an a hole I am rather than how nice I am. You got that stuff cause they know you ain’t gonna do nothing. You’re safe just as you said. Me…I put my hands on a girls tits then we’re gonna have sex.

[Mansearching]

@Exterminatore usually I do too. But I can be in a room full of naked women (at that time in my life) and truly have my pick. No second thoughts. Then still be friends without complications.
Some nice guys finish first instead of last. No pun intended.

[Exterminatore]

If I’m in a room full of naked women I’m definitely having sex with at least one of them. Yes, I will stare, yes I will slap asses. Yes I will make remarks. I cannot see what else would be expected from me. That’s like giving the fox access to the hen house and expecting him not to eat.

[Exterminatore]

I hear you man.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore I'm quite sure of that, Sir.

[Mansearching]

@Exterminatore Also I've been in same scenario and nothing happened.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

Indeed. Like that’s just how it is. Some girl would be an idiot to think she can show me her tits or walk around naked in front of me or whatever and I ain’t gonna nail her. That’s all signals she wants me to stick in her. I ain’t no choir boy. Girls could maybe do that stuff with homosexuals or very timid men and get away with it. You let me in a dressing room full of naked women and one of them is getting f*cked pure and simple. I’m no dope. Girls don’t do that kinda stuff with most guys. They know better. They can do it with gays and very timid me. If I find myself in that type of scenario I know why I’m there and it ain’t to be Mr. Soft n sensitive. I’m there because at lest one of them invited me in with the implied invitation of come and dip your wick. In that type of situation I’d get at least one and potentially more. If not that night at the least one of the others will remember me for future sexual needs.

I call it reference sex for lack of better terms. Someone on here said it. They want good men for providers, but when ovulating they want alphas. I hate the terms alphas and betas and whatever. I think they’re dumb. But I know at least another one of those little sluts will see what I do and remember me in that kind of situation. When they’re ovulating, they will already have gotten my number for their gal pal or their gal pal would set it up for them.

Girls talk. They tell the other girls whose a good lover and who isn’t a little bitch and when it suits their purposes they know who to talk to.

These days I’m married and in retirement. In my 20’s? Forget it. Not a chance in hell I’m in that situation and it’s not on purpose. In them days it was not at all uncommon for chicks to flash me their tits in a bar or club. I know what they want. I know they’re not doing it just because they’re “drunk.” They do that and if I think they’re hot they’re gonna get what they’re asking for. I ain’t no monk. Girls read men like guys can read a book.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

Girls can tell very quickly what your about. I know it. I know if I’m in a dressing room with naked chicks, it’s not for no reason, because I know they know I’m not gonna be Mr. Potato Head.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore Oh, I agree with you wholeheartedly, Sir. If we ever found ourselves in a situation like that, I wouldn't wait to see how it turned out. Instead, as soon as you walk in, and I can sense the attraction between you and the woman/women, I'd go and fetch whatever you wanted, and settle comfortably into the supportive role I was predestined to play. There would be no uncertainty about what to do, because i instinctively know that the most appropriate outcome is for you to 'in come';)

[Exterminatore]

@砖头man

I think girls read guys well. They know whose bashful and whose bold. For me, if I’m in that kinda situation, I know why I’ve been given access to such a situation, and in my 20’s and 30’s, they’re gonna get what they are asking for. Now I’m married and in retirement. You won’t find me in a situation where I’m in a room full of naked girls. I’d go out of my way to avoid that. I go out of my way to avoid girls who flirt with me these days. If I don’t they will awaken my inner beast, and I’m likely to act on impulse. I do love my wife and am loyal to her, so I avoid intentionally girls who are coming on to me, even subtly. Like this 23 year old chick at work who is always subtly flirting with me. I avoid her, which only makes her try harder. If I didn’t and played along, I can’t guarantee I’m not gonna do something I’m gonna regret. For me, I’m like a shark who smells blood in the water in those kinds situations and will very likely act on impulse. It’s almost automatic with me. So I avoid those kinda situations. I gotta a wife who likes sex. I’m not deprived. I’m content. But I also know me. So I just don’t go there.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore You're obviously very self aware and you demonstrate that with every word, every gesture and every nuance of your awe inspiring persona. The rest of us just step aside upon your entrance, because we know that the greatest likelihood for successfully producing offspring is facilitated by the act of impregnation, which simply must be carried out by you, and you exclusively.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

You flatter me. Too bad I didn’t know you in those days. I’d get a girl to let you watch us. Done it before a few times. Met swingers when I was out and about. Both of them wanted me to do their wife while they watched. So I did. Let them enjoy watching me pound that ass over and over. So long as they don’t try to touch me, I don’t care. I don’t do the gay thing. They can sit back and crank one out while I’m doing the heavy work.

I think in those kinda situations the guy is bi or possibly has gone gay. They can watch. I couldn’t care less. So long as they don’t try making moves on me or touching me.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore Yes, Sir, I'd be thrilled just to witness a superior, dominant male mating with the gorgeous woman whom I can only dream about, and to witness the climax, I'd be honored to be a part of such an event.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

I mean I get it. Some guys wanna see a station pound their lady cause they are bi or whatever.

When I was in the Marine Corps, guys used to want to go out with me to the bar or club so they could get whichever girls I’d throw away. Sometimes I’d hook them up with a girls lesser attractive friend if the situation would present itself. I’d tell them to just come along. But not to talk too much. I’d never explain why but it was because they didn’t have any charisma. They’d say stupid stuff that would make these girls dry up like the Sahara Desert. I remember one guy one night trying to tell this chicks friend all about the Star Wars action figure collection he had back home. I guess he collected them. I remember just sitting there thinking: “this dude must not want to get laid.” I ended up crashing at this chicks place that I ended up doing that night. We were all pretty drunk. Usually I’d get out as fast as I could after I had sex. Anyway. After I got don’t doing my chick, I went to sleep, only to get awoken like 20 min later by her friend. So I did her in the shower. My buddy ended up with us, but she didn’t want him. So I’d tell them to come along, but not to talk to much or get too drunk. I’d set it all up. It was good cause them guys were rough men, but stupid with women. So they got laid and which ever girls friend who would get jealous of her got pacified by whoever went with me that night. Sometimes girls I did a few times had friends who wanted to get laid too. So once I met that friend, and got a feel for her, and ask a guy who was a good fit if he wanted to come with abd tell him the girl I’m f*cking has a single friend and if he wanted to come hang with us.

[Exterminatore]

*stallion not station

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore That's fantastic! I wish people could understand that there are plenty of guys who actually want their wives and girlfriends to have sex with someone other than themselves, and not just occasionally, but every time she has sex, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. Well, okay, there's some embarrassment, but nothing we can't handle.

[Exterminatore]

@bill

It does happen. It’s not that common though. I think most guys hate the idea of someone being with their lady. I know I do. Yet, still there’s a few kinksters out there. So be it then. Whatever floats their boats.

[slatyb]

I'm a nice guy. I got divorced and started dating online. After three dates women were taking me to their bed. The "nice guys": who can't find a partner are not really nice.

[Exterminatore]

The term “nice guy” was invented by women. They mean “weak” guys when that say that. You can be sociable and have respect. But you gotta have balls and be confident and assertive.

[slatyb]

@Exterminatore balls? I just talked with them and paid attention. I enjoyed their company and didn't beg them for sex. When their body language tools me they wanted to be kissed, I missed them. Somehow it seems I'm good at that. Three dates and they were asking me to bed.

[Nifrayu]

I'm nice to people. That has nothing to do with sex. It's nice being nice to the nice.

[Billlewis]

Yes, Sir, but there's a big difference between being nice because you know you're the most handsome, desirable guy on the block, versus being nice to try to get a woman to give you a pity fuck... I think you probably turn down more pussy than any two simps can get, combined;)

[Nifrayu]

That's probably true. Most guys seem like they would never turn a woman down no matter what. By that comparison I am extremely picky.

[Exterminatore]

Prostitutes exist because of “nice guys.” They gotta get their needs met somewhere and aren’t getting them met from the girls they don’t have to pay for. Time to reeval.

[Amiapowerlessman]

I feel woman can tell when your being nice to get in there pants or just being nice because that’s who you are as a person, I’ve been told I’m a nice guy and that hasn’t stopped me from having intercourse or going on dates ya know, just gotta be yourself… be nice but also confident and even a little assertive if you must.

[cth2188]

Even so called nice guys can be 👻.. had men tell me I'm a nice guy and he was no different than the bad guy

[IceCreamSandwich]

Being nice isn't about sex. A genuinely nice person may have no sex, or lots of sex. It doesn't change that they're nice.

[Nikki1989]

Most men that think of themselves as nice are not nice at all. It is a very vague term.

[Christoff92]

Yeh just tell @Apple1996 that you salute her as your goddess of everlasting niceness. Then you would be set my friend 😏👍🏼

[Billlewis]

Yes, Sir.

[Radiate143]

Nice has to do with others. Kind, sincere guys do better in the long run. But they shouldn't be stupid either and know when to be "cruel" to protect themselves.

[catarecute]

nice guys are the ones who get married at the end. shitty guys have one night stands and stay single or get married and divorce pretty quickly

[kaxeka56577]

Yes, because getting married is for losers.

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

"Nice guy" will never have a universally accepted definition 😊

[Juxtapose]

Bill not everybody who is nice is a pushover.

[Billlewis]

Oh, believe me, I'm not suggesting that every guy who is polite and well mannered doesn't have the goal of fucking at least some of the women he spends time with, but I also think that this overarching belief that every nice guy expects to get laid is erroneous.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I was confused at first too, but I would agree with the synopsis: "overarching belief that every nice guy expects to get laid is erroneous"

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep Thank you so much for taking the time to share your opinion with us, Goddess, it means a lot to me, personally;)

[BoopBoopBeep]

Which one of us is the goddess here, champ?

[Juxtapose]

I don't expect to get laid because I am nice but I'm not going to tolerate being pushed around or treated lesser than how I treat her.

[Juxtapose]

And you guys need to be more assertive with what you want. If you already have enough friends and she's putting you in the friend zone then dip out of it.

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep I have a tendency to use the term multiple times with multiple people... I hope that's alright. Otherwise, I'll have to come up with a different title for each of you, which I can certainly do, if you so wish;)

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep Yes, ma'am, I'll get to work on it right now...

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Billlewis
You are a toolbag.

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep I am so sorry! I got your sign on name confused with someone else's. Now I see what an idiot I am. If there's any way to delete my comments, I'll gladly do it.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@Billlewis
Haha I just snorted my coffee and had to clean it off my laptop. Was wondering how long that would take for the lightbulb to come on. Go snap your dicklet with a rubber band in penitence for your color-blindness.

[Billlewis]

@BoopBoopBeep Yes, Sir, will do.

[Exterminatore]

@juxt

You are right. I’m nice, but I put up with no crap from anyone.

When women say the words “nice guy” what they mean is weak guy. They mean he’s a sap and has no balls.

[Billlewis]

@Exterminatore Yes, Sir.

[Jennz6]

If she allows you to have intercourse, would you want to?

[Billlewis]

Truthfully, no, because all I'd do is embarrass myself... lol

[FunkyMonkee]

Oh, we get lucky every great once in a while but, not very often.

[Bloopbloopbloop]

Nice guys deserve sex too. If the other person is consenting then why not.

[Billlewis]

Of course that's true, but that's not the point. The point is, if you're going to give the impression that you're there to help, and then you suddenly go from benevolent to wolffish, that's a patently disingenuous way to conduct yourself with a woman.

[genericname85]

how is the concept of "being nice" exclusive to the idea of having sex?

[Tstrbrainer]

Nice is when someone is nice just for the sake of being nice. That's how they treat everyone.

[Ladyblanche]

Yes I agree with you

[Anonymous]

There is no such thing as a nice guy or a bad boy