On one hand, I think it would be foolish for a woman to commit to a relationship with a man who has no ambition. Men need to be useful - we're built for that.
On the other hand, there's definitely a percentage of women who use this word as a more politically correct way to say that they are only interested in men who they predict to have very high levels of financial success. Such women are only in it for his money, and will leave him if he doesn't achieve the desired level of success quickly enough.
Obviously that isn't all women, but it's a large enough group that it has to be mentioned.
This is just womanese for "I want a guy who has or will soon have money but I don't want to sound like a gold-digging whore so I will make it sound like something more noble"
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Ambition is a quality I admire in a man, and I never really associated it with money. To me, an ambitious man is someone who makes plans and works to accomplish them. It’s the difference between the guy who is all talk sitting on his butt, and the guy who is actually getting up in the morning to go move mountains.
A noble man makes noble plans and on noble deeds he stands.
Agree. Basically, I want a man to live up to his gender role. He has to make money. He has to be successful, have a purpose, be the leader. I can get pregnant and he will look after us and take care of us.
Women, on the other hand, should not be expected to have any role. She can spend her most fertile years out clubbing, getting drunk, not saving themselves for marriage and ruining her ability to bond with a husband by letting tons of men warp her sexually by trying out all of their pornography influenced kinks on her, giving her tons of emotional baggage they go to school and party for 4 years get a job and make THEIR OWN money which is just for her and then they still want the guy to take on all of the provider role.
Ambition is code for money and provision... a traditional male gender role. A woman staying virtuous and child free for her future husband? Oh, that is antiquated, gender roles are outdated... except the ones for men.
Men like non promiscuous women for wives. That is sexist, how dare you.
Women like tall, successful men who are good providers. Well, of course. why of course women have traditional gender role expectations of men. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Roles for women? How dare you!!! Women can get tattooed, sleep around, go out drunk, wear slutty clothing, post tons of racy pictures online and let tons of men DM her daily. Any word said against this. HOW DARE YOU TRY AND CONTROL. You toxic man!!! Now, go spend years studying, building your career, making money, getting experience so you can pay for all the dates and pay my bills and take care of me. Open doors, be romantic, be charming, be a gentlemen but not too boring, you've got to excite me and be mysterious and make my feelings tingle daily, take on the responsibility to pay me alimony and child support if things go south.
What? You don't want me dressing like a hooker and partying with my sleazy friends drunk until 2am while 50 guys talk to me all night and flirt with me? You don't control me you toxic man!!! This isn't the 1950's, I'm not your slave! Now, get back to living up to your male gender role. Pay for all my shit and kiss my ass and serve me while I get back to texting this guy in my DMs.
u I think you're confusing words here...
I think you are thinking of financial success, wealth, financial status and and you call that ambition...
but not, ambition does exist by itself as a concept... and it is first and foremost about the determination someone has and the dedicated work and effort they put in many or any goals they pursue and want to achieve
it is about the drive of a person that wants to succeed yes, but it doesn't have to be all about money... what you suggest in your question has to do more with greed and insecurities both
I do have ambition in my life, I have my goals... but they're not about accumulating wealth, in fact... what I've seek and got done, is to give myself the flexibility to do a couple of things I love to do without making it about the money, I don't do it for the profit but for the passion I have for it and the way it is fulfilling to me too, as well as others...
also true that... most women would not want a guy that lacks ambition, as in... doesn't have determination no goals of any kind...
I asked a question a few months back about something similar regarding women desiring men who want to conquer the world. Same principles apply here.
Ambition is right up there with confidence for men as the most attractive trait that women find in a man. Ambition is used as the projection one has to achieve something in life be it goals or passions they have for something. If you have little of it or none, what that spells is a lack of drive, quality and ability to do something with yourself in the world. So if a man who has little to no ambition goes against a man who has high ambitions and goals is pitted against each other, who will be the likelier one to succeed and achieve something? Obviously the latter.
Women don't want to settle for a loser or someone that is lazy, so they go after men who have a passion for something or many high goals they are on the path to achieve because it shows discipline, dedication, and purpose in their lives. Now what WOMEN deem as good ambition in the men they seek is a different story.
Some see ambition as men in high positions of power and still striving to climb higher, finances and social power. Others are happy you have a job and maybe do wood cutting as a hobby and make furniture. It isn't the same across the board.
I think for the same reason I search for ambition in a woman. I want a woman who's passionate about something in her life. Something that consumes her, something that makes her leap from her bed each morning to build or create something new and exciting, because I'm the same way. I have a lot of dreams, and the only way to make those dreams come true is to have a plan and take action.
Yes the word ambition can be a guise for other intentions, but if she really is ambitious I want to go on that journey with her.
For me, healthy ambition is a quality that shows this person is actively pursuing their goals or dreams. And I value it a lot. As long as they are not focused ONLY on that :D
But I don't combine it with success or social status (whatever it is or means)
I have lived through both sides of this. My first wife was a gold digger. I dated a woman years later that she really love me and was a nympho with me when it came to sex. She told me she was my slut. It took me six or eight years later to realize how true that statement was. I should have married and stayed with her. We never married.
My second wife was no different than the first other than her tequinice. Both wives knew I was good for generating money for their desires. Both are now living alone.
it could mean that but it could also just mean they like someone who's passionate about their goals and has well ya know ambition.
Like the wife to Marx, he was poor all his life and she stood beside him not for any money gains but cause she admired his ambition when it came to his views on trying to make work conditions better in labour forces. In fact she even left a wealthy life for him.
So it has two vastly different meanings. I find the respectable one is Marx wife's response not just I want a wealthy guy.
Ha ha ha, it means that no one wants a partner who sits around like a lump on a log and does not contribute or progress in life. Men and women prefer partners with ambition, goals, and a desire to go somewhere in life. Who wants a person who shows no personal growth over decades?
I don't need social status, but I do need action over apathy. I don't want to have to babysit and take care of a man. I want him to be able to get his own dinner, do his own laundry, and fix stuff when it bothers him, not wait for me to do it. And I also don't want someone who just sits in front of the t. v. I want someone who has interests and takes action to follow those interests.
Seriously though, if you can chose between a "successful man" and a "not successful man", who in their right mind would ever, ever consider the second?
"Yeah I like my guys with low self esteem, no confidence in their abilities, without ambitions, goals and dreams."
Said noone, ever.
well if you have ambitions it means you are not satisfied with just staying where you are and will always want to upgrade, who doesn't want that? wether they make it or not, just seeing people trying is attractive compared to someone who does nothing at all, just satisfied with minimum wage Job with no further aspirations.. it's very unsexy not to call that gold digging mind, simply by nature even an animal would opt for the hard working one rather than one that does not try. Imagine saying you want to find someone that doesn't want to be better... for the sake of not being labeled a gold digger? Ridiculous really.
Another question that can be answered by nature and evolution.
Survival of the human species relies on a strong family unit.
A strong family unit consists of a mother, a father and children.
Each have a role in ensuring the success of the family.
A father's role is to provide for and protect the mother and the children.
Therefore, women's DNA is programmed by millions of years of natural evolution to look for a man who has traits of being a good provider and to value and be attracted to it in a potential mate.
"Ambition" is one of the visible traits that increases the likelihood that a man will be that successful provider she is looking for.
It's generally code for "I like money so you better have some".😂
I only say this because there are so few quality men and women on online dating apps. And this is the type of place where you'd read something like this. Quality men are ALREADY ambitious. If you need to tell a man you want him to be ambitious you're already beating a dead horse.
Goes back to prehistory, and pecking order. All women wanted to walk with the chief because it meant her children had a better chance of survival. It is not unreasonable. Pregnancy takes a lot out of a women and a stillbirth or a death of a child is a heavy burden psychologically and physically. But it all comes with a cost. If the chief is making all the decisions and the tribe suffers because of a bad decision, the blame goes to the chief. So there is more stress at the top. ...
It means something different currently. I have to give credence to MrO's MHO It really depends whether you love him or the money. Interesting, when Men have an "Out of Body" experience. Sometimes we come back with different priorities. What is important to us changes. There is a very high divorce rate when the Country Club membership is meaningless to us but still important her.
No. Ambition refers to a MAN, who knows what he wants from his life and has a vision of getting there. This generally correlates to someone who is financially and/ or socially successful. Women find such men attractive because they are more likely to have an idea of what a stable and happy family life is supposed to be like
sitting on one’s ass and simultaneously complaining about the unfairness of life demonstrates NO ambition and generally correlates to less success financially and/or socially. Women find such boys less attractive because they are unlikely to have a vision of what they want or know what it means to lead or guide a family. They are also more prone to blaming others or blaming the social-political atmosphere for their ineptitude, which shows lacking accountability and further erodes his chances of being a valuable contributor to society, much less a suitable partner
Abition for me, is having goals. But they should be realistic goals. Not 'I'm going to become the president of the US, or become the CEO of the company I intern at.' Drive is attractive. Even if he's not there yet, if he has a point of focus, something he's going to work towards dedicatedly, that's what I want.
I just want a man who wants to be a good man, a good husband, an inspiration. So we can grow together.
As a guy who is attracted to ambition in women, I have to disagree.
If a woman isn't ambitious, she won't want to co-head a home business with me, she won't be an artist, she won't have grand aspirations nor an inventive mind, and if thats the case, I don't want her, because she's boring.
I could see a woman coming to the same conclusion about a man.
No. Women would rather be with a hardworking broke man who has a plan. Gets up every morning go to the gym. Head to work and plan for his investments or company etc.
Than a guy sitting at home all day lazy getting money from his rich dad.
So its more the charachter behind it. At least for most women.:)
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