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The fact that you are acting like your time is more valuable than mine simply because you have a pussy would completely turn me off to you.
Entitlement is not sexy. I want an equal, not some snotty bitch who thinks she is better than me.
Womens time is more valuable. Hate to break it to you
No, that is like saying a black person's time is more valuable than my time. I completely and unequivocally reject such prejudice and discrimination.
My immutable characteristics do not change my value. It is my deeds, it is my character that determines my value.
Race and gender are different things
I think that all depends on who asks who out and how it happens
Definitely that too
Don't know about anyone else but, as a male my time is just as valuable. As far as the question, I was raised back when boys were raised to be men, and girls were taught to be a lady, and a strong women. If the guy, initiates the date, I think he should pay, just as if the women initiates the date, then she should crack open the wallet. Things were simple once, people have to complicate crap.
It depends on the people. If it is a situation where both are students, it would be hard for a man to take his date out to many places that cost any money. I would appreciate a woman who would offer to pay sometimes because it would mean she understands my situation and was considerate since she doesn't just see me as a meal ticket but is actually interested in me as a person.
If he's broke then he should take her on dates that are free
Well, sure, but you run out of those ideas after a while.
There are a lot of options for free dates. People just tend to want basic dinner dates. Which is honestly a ick in my opinion
What would you prefer to do for a date?
Walk in the park, museums, picnics , fishing, doing a puzzle or game, go watch the stars, go out in nature and look at the animals (bird watching or at a pond to look ducks, geese, frogs, fish), if it's warm then the beach, if it's cold play in snow together.
There's probably some more good ones I'm forgetting but there is a few
Depends largely on the man, a high quality man can demand what we wants. Believe me there's competition for quality men.
Strongly disagree. He may really want to be with you but isn't able to pay for the whole date. Or maybe he just has the opinion that it's a shared experience and should be paid for equally by both people who are enjoying it.
Why would a man even choose to go on a date that he can't afford?
I'm really just thinking outside the box. (No pun intended, honest!) I see your point now, I was thinking you meant that he just shouldn't date at all. Maybe he should take his dates somewhere romantic or fun but isn't so expensive.
Exactly just take her on a free or cheap date then
Yup, if he chooses the place he shouldn't choose someplace he knows he can't afford - UNLESS it's something super expensive AND you both agreed in advance that you'd split it
I agree but what makes a woman’s time more valuable than a man’s? Really curious.
I answered that under @red324 comment
When I met my guy, we were both impoverished post grad students. The evening of the day we met was spent sharing a pizza in Pizza Hut. Not only did we share the pizza, shared the cost as well. That was 7 years ago.
I agree. If I'd only be happy going if the bill is split 50/50, then it's clear I'm not really interested in the girl, so it's a complete waste of my time and effort.
Agree unless he’s in a difficult financial situation.
Yes if he was having a difficult time then a free date would be fine
I always assume I will probably be paying for the whole bill but many times they want to split it. We both spend our time going out to meet each other whether someone takes longer than the other isn’t really the issue but I wouldn’t assume one person’s time is more valuable than the other
I would pay but I just am and old school man in my thought process lol but yeah alotta weird men saying they needa pay half but its like y'all needa be direct if u tryna fuck after let her know if she's not down then no date and u good lol
Why is your time "worth something" when the time of the man's is worth less?
Because he's wasting my valuable time. That makes specifically my time worth something cuz I could be giving it to another man that sees it as valuable.
Most men do not have the same options as women to be giving their time to other women
Yes and you're wasting my valuable time as well. But if we're starting off our interaction as a function of antagonistic "who is wasting the other's more" then what future do we have together.
I may not have as many options as you, but there's a point of diminishing returns. So you have 30 other options and I only have 20. Well I only have one free evening so I've still far more options than can be executed. I pay when I ask the other out, she pays when she asks me out. If she's never going to ask me out she'll be replaced with someone who will... by the end of the day. There's 4 billion women in the world you're hardly a limited commodity.
Mens time isn't valuable because most of them lack options to even be around around a woman. Hence all the incels. To be in the presence of a woman is a treat and should be treated as valuable
60% of men are single. At this point it doesn't matter how many women there are in the world. a lot of y'all ain't wooing us and we are choosing to date other women instead of men
by the way 30 is low for a woman. Have you seen that videos where a woman gets 90 guys to match with her on a dating profile within a few days? Most men never experince that
haha a treat that 4billion others can replace in a heartbeat.
I'm single, that doesn't mean I have no options. I was asked out twice yesterday. Maybe it's the same way for that other 60%. If all their meeting is women who think "being in their presence is a treat" I'm sure a great many people here can understand why they are single.
I've never had a dating profile to match, so I can't speak to that. The reason I've never had one is that I've never had a need, because there are more women I interact with in real life than I would ever have time to date so it seems like having specific life insurance for alien abduction. okay... maybe it is "better"... but that's not something I'm particularly worried about, how many online women I'd match with
More than half the 4 billion are taken, a good bit prefer being single. The other women have unlimited options of men from that 60%. Women are not replaceable if you truly valued them. Men are unfortunately replaceable by nature and in currently day society
You realize that math works both ways, yes? Half the 4 billion are taken. Sure. And assuming that means they're off the market. Haha... sure. There's 2 billion left. I don't have time for all of them. So however many match me online is of no consequence in the real world.
"More than half are taken and a good bit prefer being single."
Yes... yes us too. Do you think, honestly, that we just can't make it through the week without being "blessed" with your presence. Your presence specifically. Because the boatloads of other women out there who are NOT playing the "my shit don't stink" game are the one men are complaining about not finding, not about finding them and not getting them.
I can assure you our selection from which we must choose is no less shite than yours.
My presence was so valuable that it locked down fast af. If you don't value womens presence then that's cool for you I guess. Keep flip flopping between women cuz you deem them as replaceable. It's not gonna lead you to a happy ending in life. Most people that live like that die full of regrets
You have an admitted fetish for tiny penises, we never would have worked out I'm afraid.
I have many different types of fetishes that include all sizes and shapes 😂
And ofc i wouldn't date most men unless they have a special edge to them.
Oh well then I have a chance. Mine is actually made out of silly putty so it IS all shapes and sizes. It also picks up newsprint so if you like to invert the comics it's always a possibility
I'm a traditionalist. I agree unless she wants a pricy venue like a Beyonce concert.
If I invite, I pay for her
if you invite me, you pay for me
The fact that you think a females time is more valuable than a males time is bat shit crazy. Glad you found a simp to abuse for a lifetime because a normal dude wouldn't put up with that ignorant thinking.
My husband isn't a simp. He just values me as a woman
If a guy is so cheap and dysfunctional that he can't get his life together to pay for one date, he should NOT be dating at all.
The first date should absolutely be paid for by whoever initiates it. Probably the next few after that even. But after a while you should be sharing the cost of dates.
Agreed but I think most of the time men initiate dates.
Yeah. It also doesn't matter to me anymore, joint checking account and all
I am honestly surprised. I've never seen you show such a level of entitlement
I thought it was pretty much known to most on this site that I'd only go for a provider man lol
That is known, and normal. What isn't known is that you think women and their time are worth so much more than men and their time.
That's unfortunately just how nature works. Womens time is more valued in the dating world
Nature hasn't made it this way. Modern feminism has taught a lot of women this and so it seems natural because it's so pervasive. But that's only at this time and only in a few countries. The majority of the world thinks differently, and the majority of cultures in history thought the opposite
Nature has always made it a competition to win over a woman. If a man ain't winning her over in whatever ways on a date then it's simply a waste of her time cuz she could be off with another better man.
It really has nothing to do with feminism
Nature has made it where men always have to put in effort and women have to reciprocate. It's equal.
Both put in a similar amount of time and both can have their time wasted. There's nothing that makes one sex's time more valuable than the other
a lot of cultures value a woman's time even more than Americans do. Especially if she has a healthy father figure having rules in place for a man to take her out
Most men don't have the options for their time to be valued. If they are in that small percentage then sure it'd be equal vauled time but that's rare
I don't see that being true. Can you give me an example?
A woman could have 100 men in her dms waiting to take her out. If she chooses one of those men then he better be worth her time cuz if not that's wasted time that she could have been with another man.
A man might have a few options but that is obviously not comparable to 100. His time isn't wasted to take out 1/5 girls in his dms.
Obviously that's a modern example using online dating. I had something similar irl where a lot of guys wanted me but I chose to give my time to my hubby instead. He wasn't naive. He knew I had other options and seen them with me previous to meeting me. So he knew to value the time he had with me cuz it could have so easily been given to some other guy
I see two mistakes in this comparison. The first is that the girl with hundreds of guys in her DMs is only one who is advertising herself sexually, and therefore they are seeking her sexually.
The second is just an example of what you get when you have an attractive person. Multiple people are interested in them. It doesn't mean their time is more valuable, it means they have to be selective.
Both are competition based. And online dating isn't always sexually driven. Selective cuz they can't have their time wasted 😂
Once a date is taking place, how is the women's time more valuable than the man's?
If a man is asking a woman on a date he is asking for her time. He has already put his time aside by choosing to ask her out in the first place. Essentially he gave up the value of his time
That is wrong. Completely wrong.
What is actually happening is he has chosen this women as worth his time. Not abandoned the value of it.
If the chosen women is already worth his time then isn't his time no longer a factor? He chose that route when he could've just not asked her out
No, because he doesn't know. It's a guess, and it depends on their connection. Plus to say that she is worth his time implies that she brings qualities he values that are worth trading his time for.
It's a guess and a trade, not a devaluing of one of life's most precious resources
These days I ask permission to cover the full cost of a first date.