Do women expect too much from men nowadays?

[HawkPerception]

Yes

No

[Nik1hil]

No, on average truth is women are not asking for much. The problem is today it is impossible for a man to provide that much easily.

1000 years ago, women wanted a safe home, food, and clothes to raise a family. It would take a man and his 5 friends a month to build a house on a piece of land in a friendly community. while they hunted and brought food, and skins of animals were clothes.

Today women want the same thing, a safe home, food, and clothes. But today A man needs to purchase land. You cannot build a house anywhere, randomly. You need to pay taxes etc. Then you need to pay to build a house, and you need legal permission and pay other fees and insurance on every part of the house that you get constructed. Back then, Bringing the necessary things to the table took a man 6 Months Even if he started at zero. Today it will take a man 20 years or even more, with no guarantee that he will be able to bring enough to the table to start and provide for his family.

Loans are how we fucked things, up. Loans are like taking money from the future. Taking loans gave a young man an advantage, but it increased the competition for other men. A chain reaction that fucked up the global financial system, Because we Derived value from the future. Our previous generation destroyed the future, for our generation.

[ManOnFire]

They definitely do, while not expecting nearly enough out of their own selves. Which is why so many women are empty and need attention, men's money, and social media followers to feel whole.

[ManOnFire]

Thank you, brother.

[DishLady]

(Same opinion as what I mentioned for the expectations of girls.)

[DizzyDesii]

Now this i will admit, yes. And I don't know why we torture ourselves by expecting more than we know we’ll get. And the ones who actually give more than expected only keep that up for the first month or two. Then they get comfortable. My last boyfriend said after a great first date “so do i get best boyfriend award yet?” And sadly he meant that. He thought one date was all it took. When i said “you can't be serious” then he changed by the second month

[HawkPerception]

Appreciate the honesty 😊

[RavVid]

Relationships are transactional. Like any transaction it is perceived value vs cost. Of girls answering to this point 1/3 think girls demand too much and 2/3 think not.

In terms of guys 3/4 think girls demand too much and 1/4 think not.

At the same time that girls are demanding more, they are also offering less. "Till death do us part" is not on the table any more for sure. Happy families only last till the 1.8 children are in elementary school.

A very substantial mismatch

[MisterWack]

I Believe Men Are Pressured By Think Tanks More Than Women.

You have the Andrew Tates of the world telling a man what a man is, setting a high standard / artificial standard saying women won’t give you sex unless you do X Y Z. There are video compilations of women giving bad takes out of context leading to men to feel that women are needy, selfish, only want money from you, etc.

This toxic kind of societal manipulation isn’t good, it takes advantage of insecure vulnerable men / teens / even children into thinking this… This is an issue of the Toxic Snake Oil Salesmen more than it is an issue of women v. men.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

These think tanks have at least one identified name to me:
Red pill culture

They are rather loud and invading, on social medias that is, I hardly hear about these worldviews outside of internet though

[MisterWack]

@Maybe_Maybe_not Exactly.
I think it has to do with the supposed ‘smoothness’ in their delivery, the ‘confidence’ of what they are preaching acting like an expert in the field of men & women then there is the ‘projection’ of a loud, powerful, masculine tone ready to take you from little boy to big man in just 5 easy steps. That is how I analyze this, it is sadly very effective on insecure men and just as all good con artists do they don’t care what negative outcome they have, division they stoke, or lives they ruin as long as it makes them money. Andrew Tate & all the Red Pillers just want money and they will do anything to get it even criminal means as we’ve seen with the whole sex trafficking BS. The fact of the matter is, just because you are louder doesn’t mean you are correct.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

its carefully considered marketing tactics indeed, preying on easy targets, and benefiting from information wars, counter-feminism, filling holes in moral crisis, its a rather big topic !

[MisterWack]

@Maybe_Maybe_not Couldn’t agree more, there needs to be more support in our communities, more love, more mental health awareness & provisions, I think it will take all of us to ‘push back’ against this epidemic & to be vigilant.

I know a saying that fits this well, “It takes a village to raise a child” and yes it will indeed take a village to help strengthen men from succumbing to the worst versions of themselves being spoon fed by liars, cheats, and manipulators.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I do believe in this quest, I do !

[Ms_Facesitter]

I would say so. People are weak to hiccups nowadays. We want things to go perfect right away and always, and as soon as their is a fight, we think that guy isn't the right person.

There are also these desperate men and the simps who'll do whatever to get your attention. You can get spoiled and they can give the false impression that whatever the simps give us, is what's to be expected from any man. That without doing anything we are to get whatever.

[MicahRaine]

I don't think it's that they expect too much in of itself, but more that they expect too much from men in relation to what they bring to the table themselves.

Me and Raine expect "too much" from each other by today's standards, but it works because we each hold ourselves to those same standards.

I've seen seen the same thing in my friends too. They expect a lot and hold themselves to the same standard, so it works.

[RHK36]

Yes, but also as a society we still expect less out of women. For all the equality they preach they don't come close to meeting a man half way in a relationship. They don't actually want equal they want to get even and be like the men they complain about. Meanwhile they'll overlook any real man that'll hold them accountable. Women forever allergic to accountability.

[Ladsin2]

Yes, in that women are hypergamous by nature. Women want to date men better than themselves. The problem is women are doing so well now that they're all competing over a very small minority of men. Then they get upset that these hyper-masculine, hyper-successful men won't commit to them.

[BetaBucks]

Yes and no. Meaning they expect things, then hate them for it. Like expecting men to be both feminine and masculine. And hating them for both.

[missindiana93]

Yes. Very much to the point where they just quit with life.

[alice55]

Both expect too much from each other, they except their partner to be perfect in everyways if not hey claim it's a red flag and ghost

[ProbablyClueless]

It's not really "too much" as it is a super exact feeling that most of them don't actually know how to identify when they see it.

[Meropatrick]

Men choose demanding partners. They like a partner who demands a lot and see it as a challange

[DrPepper12]

No. Men aren't used to sharing power so IT FEELS like oppression

[Iron_Man]

They expect to be taken care of if you’re in a serious relationship pretty much

[RichardDelightful]

Sometimes. But the other half is that many men lack sensitivity towards women.