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i think what determines the difficulty on a good job will depend on country, location/area, and what the person majored in during their time as a student and same goes for "where" they're trying to find a career and job.
for example, if you know fluent in more than 1 language besides English and you have a teacher's license, you can literally go work at another country to teach English because the school there will want their students to learn English. some of my friends who are from USA, they got their teaching license and flew to korea to teach English for 2 years, came back and is now teaching regular classes at schools. for others if you know it's a career/job that they always need people for, such as doctors and nurses, you know hospitals will want them to fill up slots if they're applying to work at the ER. like it'll be much easier to get in.
for some countries and location, if say, you grew up in a small city and crowded city such as hong kong for example, it is so crowded there that finding even a decent job is almost impossible (unless it's a job that they always/need want people for) because of how competitive it is there for jobs with so many people living in that small city, and even college students have to work labor jobs like demolition and construction for many years just to survive financially, and living in a tiny box room in apartments before they can actually work at a place they majored in from school.
I would say that the only way to be "guaranteed" a stable career with a relatively high salary would be to get a law, engineering, computer science, or medical degree from a reputable university.
Any other route you pursue, even if it's a degree in another respected discipline like business or psychology, there will be some element of risk involved. The reward is potentially having a more exciting career that pays similarly or even higher.
However, if you are genuinely interested in one of the four aforementioned disciplines, there would be no reason not to pursue them. Even if you're indifferent towards them all, there would be nothing wrong with pursuing one of them for the sake of stability.
All true but what about other courses like architecture, arts, business etc if we pursue it from a good college?
Not true at all! In many places a University degree is overrated. When you graduate, you'll be competing with thousands of other students with the exact same paper that says you're good at following instructions.
Have you heard that America is 1 trillion dollars in student debt?
Don't be brainwashed thinking engineering, law, science or what ever will guatantee you a job. Trust me kid, when you go in the real world, they ask for WORK EXPEREINCE.
The restuarant i work at consist of many post uni kids who can't find an engineering job or ehat ever.
And many law or engineering jobs are miserable. Fact.
Yeah true. I have seen people having degrees in engineering field and still can't find a decent job.
@BlackParade How do you think you get work experience? Yes, there is an endless cycle of employers who look for experience and people who can't get experience. It's all about breaking through the cycle by getting that first job. People who have degrees are much more likely to get that first job than people who don't.
It's only a matter of whether or not having a higher chance of initially breaking into the workforce is worth the debt. For those who get scholarships and won't have much/any debt, the decision is a no-brainer.
How do you get a scholarship?
- high GPA
- high SAT/ACT scores
"And many law or engineering jobs are miserable." Opinion.
As for the people you are referring to who can't get jobs with their engineering degrees, perhaps they didn't get their degrees at competitive universities. Perhaps they've been charged with a misdemeanor or they were fired from their high school job at McDonald's for disorderly conduct back in the day.
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Maybe no degrees "guarantee" jobs, but if any of them do, it's the ones I listed. And even if they don't guarantee jobs, you'd be a fool to think your chances are any *better* without one.
Check out engineering truth a YouTube channel. And https://youtu.be/uugCRJXQXW0
No, thy dont. About 30% of graduating engineers in Ontario don't get hired.
In places like where i live (Toronto, Canada's most popular city) we are saturated with unapplicable university grad students. My guifance concellor said all her rich friends in high school are all went to college. While all the 4 year uni kids are drowning in debt.
@BlackParade First of all, you are ignoring EVERY other factor besides degree type. There is quality of education, reputation of school, criminal record, work experience, reasons for leaving prior jobs, just to name a few.
Plus, if you live in Canada, it's possible that it is simply an ENTIRELY different situation for you, so what is the point in trying to tell me I'm wrong in the first place?
no, there are so many kids who have graduated but had to move back home because companies aren't willing to give them a chance cause they are looking for years of "experience".
Well how does anyone get experience if you never get the job? Even doctors who perform surgeries, needed their first experience doing it otherwise they wouldn't be known as some of the best doctors around the world. Also going to college these days nearly cost an arm, a leg, and probably your soul cause these colleges have gotten greedier. What's the point of going to college, if you are going to be in dept the rest of your life? There are kids now who have so much debt, that they will never be able to pay off and because of that everyone is getting punished for it some kind of way.
That's why there a lot of people who feel like college is a waste of time or a scam, my boyfriend has been doing college for the longest now and he still hasn't gotten anywhere really. Why? Cause they force him to take classes that have nothing to do with the career field he wants to do.
Anyway here's a recent video on explaining why some people feel like college is a scam: Excuse the language just listen to what he's saying.
Thanks for sharing the video
Its not as easy as simply getting a degree for most people unless you studied at Stanford or Harvard or had perfect A's in University etc... You need connections, social skills, effective and desirable body language, good posture, experience, connections or opportunities to apply for work, and employees who feel that you match what they desire in somebody. You might also have to have low pay expectations in your first or starting jobs as you don't yet have the experience to win an employer's trust or desire to overcompensate you for your work.
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No. Neither does the amount of job experience you have. That's why I started my own business. I actually went to business school, got my Bachelors and I was so excited about working for a large corporation and getting paid a lot. However, it never panned out like that like.
-First job out of college (which took me 5 months to find) was as a project manager for a tech firm. Got paid $30,000 a year to manage technology projects, setup and participate in meetings with major CEOs and get yelled at my clients for a year and a half... so I quit.
-2nd job out of college was a telemarketer. We were getting paid $32,000 a year and if you were there for a year, you would get boosted to $40,000. Spent a month there, and then they laid off all the new people.
-3rd job was at UPS, as a package handler. I was only here while I looked for a new job, which took me 5 more months to find.
-4 job was at technology firm as a sales rep and technical writer getting paid $40,000 a year. However, a year into the job, they started doing lay offs and I lost my job and had to go on unemployment.
-It took me 4 months to find my next job, but I now work as a copywriter making $16/hour.
Even though I have the education, I could never find a great job. I currently used all the money I saved up and purchased 2 online businesses, which I am growing and managing myself and doing freelance social media work on the side so I can work for myself.
I even knew people who had their masters and they were had a harder time finding a job and were getting paid the same as me in many instances.
It depends. I know lots of friends who graduated from a prestigious University but works as a cashier/store manager instead of going for what they studied in school because there aren't any jobs available in their area of study. It's sad :/
Most majors from college require master's degree in order to get a secure job anyway.
BUT a lot of high paying jobs require lots and lots of experience. So I guess the more experience you have, the better the pay is. People generally don't employ grad student or undergrads right off the bat if they don't have a lot of experience.
Welcome to society, where you need 20+ years of experience including a college degree. Rip.
Never. Most people unemployed in my country have actually finished college and have a Master's... or several...
And they - if possible - leave the country because that's the only way to get a job - and even then they struggle...
I see only two possibilities where you probably won't be struggling in your career - and both of those you'd have to be brilliant at and choose specialization wisely: doctor or programmer.
But without college - or as it is in the US - community college - plumber, electrician, builder... and so on - those kinds of jobs are always hiring.
It was required for my first job after graduating only; the first employer was part of a graduate program, but Fortune 500 Company; they not only asked for my transcripts & diploma but also very interested in samples of writing and research projects. However after that first employer, it just was something I did, learned more about interpersonal skills, time management, working in teams, research, stuff like that is what matters.
Now education is so expensive, if you study a topic that won’t result in income to pay off the debt in a reasonable timeframe, employers are going to think... Well, they make bad decisions
It depends on your level of education and what you studied. Like a degree in gender studies isn't going to get you a job outside of fast food or Starbucks.
Not even remotely. In fact, anymore it doesn't even increase your odds to at getting a job, because it's the trade skill jobs that are desperate for workers and the entry level, college educated jobs that are over-saturated. You'd have better odds at work becoming a plumber, welder, electrician, or tiler. Those guys are making bank now because there are so few of them. And not all college degrees are created equal. Realistically speaking, there is STEM and there is everything else. Everything else has heaps and heaps of grads with no work or at least no work in the field they studied. STEM gives you a chance. And anything with either "liberal" or "studies" in the degree title is 100% worthless.
It completely depends on the job market. In our country two groups of people are unemployed. The poorly educated ones and the very highly educated ones. Poorly educated ones lack the qualifications for job and highly educated ones are so much qualified there isn't any job for them here 😂😂 I know many highly educated people who do not have that much decent jobs however some moved to foreign countries and their lives changed (because they could get suitable jobs).
No. You could have a Bachelor degree or even a Master's degree, but none of those guarantee you a job. They may improve your prospects, but you still need to apply yourself to the job and get it (and keep it). Having a Master's can also deem you to be overqualified for a certain job, even if you want it. That's why blindly pursuing (and getting) a Master's (or a Bachelor's) without understanding the economic environment and the workforce is very foolish. Many people have done just that over the last few decades and they have regretted it since. That's why going to college is really not a good idea (for everyone). You could still work your way up the corporate ladder from the bottom or go to a trade school. But universities/4 year schools? Not likely.
I agree about the Master's comment. I knew wayy to many people who spent all this money on a Master's, only to have a harder time finding work and in many cases getting paid way less than they were supposed to.
@fashionguy17 If I would've known so many people thought the way they did about college and the workforce, I would've attempted long ago (after I graduated high school) to inform people that college is a bad idea. Sure, many people may decide not to listen to me (even as far as the schools themselves and TV networks and everyone else, who would deem me as stupid), but some might. And those that listened could've spared themselves the trouble that they're dealing with now. I thought people were smarter than me at the time and I was behind. Apparently, they weren't.
It does not "guarantee" a good job. However, it is essential to secure most higher paying jobs. Meaning, you cannot become a Doctor, Layer, Psychiatrist, Engineer without a degree but jobs like a truck driver, technician, manager, can be obtained without a degree and pay well. So it really depends on what one want's to do for a job depends on the education you need. Oh and the ones I mentioned that do not require a degree, you would have to work your way into those positions and would take many years before they become a good paying job but with an education, you can obtain them quickly.
I don't know if it guarantees you a good job, but it definitely works in your favor. You can have extensive education yet still be a bad employee or unlikable. It also depends on where you look for a job and how where you apply to. As long as you are a good person/worker and find something that suits you in your field then you should have a pretty easy time finding something that works for you.
It definitely increases your chances and opens up more options. At the end of the day it really comes down to what you consider to be a good job. Just because you get paid well, doesn't necessarily mean it's the right job for you. You might dread going in everyday. But college does give you those opportunities to change your mind because with a degree you have an easier time getting jobs.
Nope.
Certain degrees it comes close, the traditional sciences, math, medicine, engineering... etc. but if you get a degree in communications, liberal arts, women's studies, art history... etc. it is probably useless debt you've put on yourself.
Skilled labor and trades are making a comeback.
Hell no!! You can spend $75,000 on a degree, and a Graduate degree, like an MBA, and still get stuck in a job, at a shit company that pays less than TEACHERS!!!
Why bother? Drop out in 9th grade, get 'WORK Experience" and by the time the 'college grad' comes to work, you are already a SUPERVISOR, with no Student Loans, and their boss!!
Lessons learned...
It doesn't guarantee anything anymore. I went to college and earned an Associate's and Bachelor's degree in Healthcare Management and $30k student loan debt just to work a job for $9.75/hour. If I could do things over I'd have went to nursing school instead.
Depends on the education. My brother did an education on a well known academy in the area where 98% of the people have a job at the end of their study. Bith because companies want the students because they know they will fit well into the company, and because they have a period in which they have to work for a company as part of their last year, most people end up staying with that company after their education is done
Not even slightly. Education actually makes it more challenging because your career is shorter and you've been spending years being spoon fed education rather than educating yourself. And you have created a lot of debt both in money and time. Education can be great, but it comes with insane caveats that you need to overcome.
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No, education is important, but soon other skills will become more important.
Education allows you to land on your first job in a particular field. You can proof junior knowledge and perseverance and so.
After your first job your technical skills are considered a given and it’s all about your experience, soft skills and how well you fit in the group and company culture.
Education brings you to a point of showing the world that you can do something, but it doesn't guarantee a job. Pursue education for education's sake, because that will make you excellent at what you seek to do. When you seek to be good at what you do, opportunities are more likely to open up.
It definitely helps Unless you choose to go the 'climb the ladder' path. I decided against going to uni and I was stuck in this endless cycle because I chose to do retail. Apprenticeships are more likely to climb you up the ladder but it's a slow journey. Unless you go the creative path obviously... then you have to hope you get lucky. Here's an example though building my way up in retail i ended up working for harrods where my starting salary was 25k. That took 5 years. I'm going to medical school come September and starting salary is around 23k however within 5 years that can rise up to 40-50k
It certainly helps to have a degree when your peers do not. However, your field of study and professional environment determines your pay. If the market is competitive, your degree just allows you a ticket to the dance. You have to fight to be relevant and earn pay.
No, education nowadays is a trap… you can learn way more for free over internet (if you don't use it only for watching cat videos I've YouTube and so of course… ), and create a job by yourself, read "rich dad poor dad" by Robert Kiyosaki and you'll get what I'm talking about…
I am from India with the second most tough education system after China. Believe me right education can make you a millionaire even if you are not from top colleges. Ever heard about the Indians and Chinese taking away the jobs of these Europeans and Americans? That's because our brains have been tortured to the point where stress has no effect on us and also mental stamina has risen drastically.
I know it. Bcz I am indian too
I am still working my field of study. But working oil and gas there are bad down times. So I've had a couple times of being out of work. 70% of the job needs right now are technical associates degree or certificate jobs and skilled labor jobs. These typically start with decent rates of pay. I now earn more than most engineers and I didn't have near the time spent in school.
Nope. I did 3 years of Veterinary receptionist and assistant and they still wanted me to go back to college to take other courses. I just took 2 years of game design and jobs seem more hopeful this time.
Depends on what you major in and study in. Not all majors are the same and equally marketable for the current job market.
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I often come across people who have an education but no sense or intelligence and not street smart, so they still fail and end up unemployed or in McDonalds. You can reverse that. Plenty of people with no education at all do well if they are smart, hardworking etc.
Don't believe the hype. Go to school and get good grades and you're off to wonderful lalal land world awaiting for your royal hyness. Let me crash your bubble. If you're not willing to lie, and chest and even do whatever your boss tells u. Whatever job u will get will be Mc Donald's. Unless you're entrepeneur like me. Who doesn't work for nobody.
It can 100% give you a leg up if you have a better education. But it doesn't guarantee anything since every job nowadays requires at least a bachelor's degree
It doesn't really. tho there are careers in which is easier to get a job after you finished with your education. I believe those are in technology and health. Maybe ilustrators or graphic designer's with unbelievable talent.
Only if you have job experience as well. I had a bachelors but no experience so i kinda got stuck with he same position as a person with only a HS diploma
College Education sucks.. Basically college degree is useful when you wanna participate in internships or online courses or for Master's degree.. I don't think undergraduate has nothing to do with work experience... Companies required experience these days which can be obtained through internship program...
Because if you don't have some serious people skills and make people feel good all the school in the world won't help. Do yourself a favor and join Toastmasters or other people skills clubs and learn how to command the room with your presence.
When you can do that you'll be the one hiring the college grads to do the work for you.
Nothing guarantees anything. We are adrift in an ocean of chaos, lady!
You are lashed between the twin pillars of Doom and Folly!
You are standing on the edge of The Pit!
It doesn’t. You could be valedictorian in an elite private school and still be broke and unemployed later on
It depends on thousands of factors.
Education happens to be one of them.
From my exp. i had good education, nice college so i got nice job.
But some of my friends didn’t get it.
So there’s that.
I was told that in order to do my dream job that I would have to go to college. I knew that school isn't right for me but got shoved into it. I dropped out a month in and then worked a few jobs and ended up getting my dream job anyways.
If you have a degree in underwater basketweaving, you're not going to get a job as a neurosurgeon. However, you're MUCH more likely to get a job than someone with no degree.
May look good on paper and you maybe looked at a bit more, but it’s not a guarantee you’ll get a great job.. though it shouldn’t be looked at as you’ll never find a job in what you were looking into.
Many graduated people are struggling more today. It doesn't mean shit to have that piece of paper anymore
It gets you a better chance I think, but no guarantees in life except Taxes and Death...
I don't want to say guarantee but it's a good push in the right direction and puts opens a wider job pool for you.
No such thing as a guarantee of a good job.
Education is helpful, but it's what you do with it.
Nope, in the US less then 30% of people will get a job in their field of study, most of those are not better then what they where educated for.
No. Education can tell you how things work (facts), but it cannot teach you how to make them work (skills).
Sometimes but not always. But it makes you a better person in general.
Elaborate how education makes u a better person apart from moral values as a subject?
Look I'm not saying that someone who isn’t very well educated is a bad person, but whether we realize it or not it does help shape who we are, and who we may become. I know a number of different people and within my circle I have noticed a direct link between the quality of education and how they live their lives.
For example my elder cousins who went to college/uni aspire to do something with their lives. They have a job and a much better attitude towards life and people. The can hold a decent conversation and respect people’s opinions.
As for my relatives who didn’t do very well in school and have never set foot in college its a very different story. They don’t have a decent job, and they make very little or no effort to find one. I often find them rude towards other people and you can forget holding an intelligent conversation. The only thing the seem to want to do is argue and cuss all day.
Yep.
Skills guarantee jobs.
Educatuon makes us civilized and literate 😑
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The only thing education guarantees is debt. Everything else is a gamble.
most good paying jobs, not only require a college degree, they also require that it be a bachelors
you can't get good paying jobs without one
For certain careers it does... if I want to be a clinician I need just as much education as experience.
It doesn't guarantee shit. . however the odds of having a good job go waaaaaayyyy up... Think of it like this... the best paying jobs pay you for what you know... The worst jobs pay you whatever it costs to hire a Mexican to do it
I work in a retail store making 12.50 an hour with no real education besides High School.
Depends on how high he/she can fly when he/she has the power of wings. the vision and decision making of the person affect very much in personal as well as professional life.
I guess
But why good? When you can get something awesome 🤟
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Well education doesn't guarantee you anything
It's upto your knowledge and talent
So it all depends on the individual
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Nothing guarantees a good job, unless someone you know owns the company.
It's necessary to get a good job but doesn't guarantee one.
Depends on what they study. The more practical the subject the higher chance of a good jobm
Education will give you the tools and knowledge to have a good life. Doesn't guarantee a good job.
It really depends on the job, Some jobs have people working the same position level while having very different education levels.
No.
My ex studied collision repair and he works at AutoZone now.
U still need to start at the bottom and work your way up
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