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If a woman or man wants to have sex for a living, that is up to them. However, adult stars are not like Escorts. With Escorts, they have sex for pleasure. If not theirs then their client. Adults stars have sex with other adult stars. Some enjoy the sex and some don't, but even many that do, it fades over time because it is all rehearsed or planned and controlled. I would never date or be in a relationship with one of those women. However, I see them as people. They aren't criminals or anything.
Because most of the negative sides of industry are experienced by people who are not really famous or who don't have enough support to face the troubles.
Top stars are extremely famous and have other sources of income too. They have more influence and hence don't really face much setbacks, I guess
Not hating but being realistic. It's not an ART. It's just a timepass.
Art is something that is unique, requires talent, depth and not everyone can do it.
You're insulting Singers, dancers, writers , Actors, painters, musicians, directors, designers, make up artists, Architectres , Jewelry designers, interior designers , etc...
Well those weren’t my words. “ it’s an entertainment form of art done by pretty girls “ ... I mean that’s what’s a Hollywood actress said.
Cuz having sex is not a talent therefore it can't be considered a form of art. Sure some people are better than others but it's not like painting or I don't know, singling. Everyone can have sex.
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Everyone can paint by that analogy. Some people just produce shitty paintings, some are good at it.
Well no, not really. Have you seen anyone call peeing or pooping an art? Sure, some people can poop really smoothly but that doesn't make them an artist. It's in our nature to have sex, there's nothing "artistic" about it.
U must re understand/ re analys ur defination of art is what I would say... Checkout in general what art is and get some experience over it... Maybe watch the documentary how art made the world it's maybe some 5-6 hrs don't remember, but then it would be the start of u finding really out what it means and form some ways of interpreting it maybe... And then maybe u will be able to figure out what's art and see it in the world around you... No hate, just can be ignorantly blunt at times.. sorry... :)
Thank you very much, I know what art is. Porn is definitely not considered art. Entertainment, maybe, but not art. Art should have a deep meaning otherwise there's no point in it. That if we are talking about real art and not just crafts or projects made for profits. Porn is definitely not art, it's a form of entertainment.
Of course everyone can have their opinion even on art. The way I view art may be different than the way you view art. Art should capture your soul, and a video of a man pounding a woman, no matter how well done is just not it.
I understand ur pursuit from deep meaning in every art form and in what ways u might think it's justifiable.. but, much of art actually relies upon what get's expressed out... I m actually sorta preoccupied with a few things and unable to think of ways to explain it better, I m doing a terrible job at it.. maybe, what I can say is which might help thinks in a better way is to remove a definitive statements and ideas attached to the topic in discussion a research things just for fun and in pursuit of wonder and truth... So, u can sorta tumble upon these as well.. just might simply because them being such a huge part of our culture and our driving force.. it might sound a bit counter intuitive.. but trust me on this
A do do watch "how art made the World" if u enjoy and appreciate art.. it's made by ofcourse debatable but considered one of the greatest commentators in history by many and is an epic piece in itself... :)
(Also, maybe I shouldn't mention it now, but I will cause I remembered porn and this is all has existed from the starting of mankind itself from the time they became able to start carving things... and art has always emerged from what drives as as individuals or all of mankind.. which sex being a very common thing just the very thing u said nature.. and that's what every art is derived from... :)
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Ok I would say sex is art but when there are feelings present because then it becomes something with a very deep meaning and purpose.
I will watch the series you recommended depending on how much time I have, since you said it's long.
But again, to clarify, I don't think porn is a form of art. Because porn is largely made for profits, there is so much abuse in that industry and those famous porn stars are mostly just acting. Maybe they have great acting skills, but that's totally different from saying porn is a form of art. In that case they'd just be called, good actors or actresses.. but the sex itself is fake. It's not art, it's not done for the purpose of art, or anything deep. They're made for money and people jack off from those videos. That's why I don't think it's a form of art, I don't think I'll ever change my mind on that.
The thread is getting long, so I'm gonna leave it here. I appreciate your opinion and I think it's totally fine for us to have differing opinions :)
Yaa!! Definitely!! But there comes a difference between opinions and when things fall into place have such in common that having different say unless having uncovered new facts simply becomes ignorance for what so ever the reasons many times a common one being a challange to the beliefs which when not bound to scrutiny can become blind folds to the real world... I understand how u see those things differently! And how those in someways are meaning less...
The same can many times be argued the same for music and film making.. although definitely to different levels.. but I suggest u might not have gotten deep into the lives of the pornstars individually.. yes there's a lot of bad things among the industries but much more was during the time man had just started just forming civilizations or even before that in groups.. but still made similar forms of art at the times.. and used for similar purposes as well as u mentioned... And they stand today many in our historical and art museums... The oldest art fig/statue known to man is of the similar origins.. i. e, venus of willendorf
Again same u must find in the series u might watch.. ya, sure try it will sure be worth all of ur time.. :)
Yo you type too much. I wasn’t going to read all the essays and books you wrote dude, but from the few parts I read. Everything is art in your view. Porn isn’t art. If you didn’t know attraction to the opposite sex is something that is explained by science since animals are meant to reproduce, so humans wanting to have sex with the opposite sex it is just their instinct to reproduce. Even if it is just a flint, it is their animal instinct kicking in. The people who are doing porn are just people who doesn’t respect themselves and wants to make easy money. Not art in the slightest.
Lmao, ya.. I mean till the last line. I agree with you, and I thought everyone knows that, and I m unaware of how that points in favour to ur statement.. well, for those assumptions you could very well think very much the same things many other things like the cinematography.. I don't think u understand how things are intertwined together... Or even if u do, maybe u haven't thought further.. u do realise that clothes as such are just a culturally formed thing of us being relatively more complex beings in the ways we interact and nothing else.. baring them doesn't equal loosing respect. The whole reason u say that is related to u being affected by this itself.. there are way too many things / variables to explain.. and m not gonna do a better job than documentaries. So, I suggest u watch a few I guess... 🤷
You can actually take all pieces/types/things of art and look at them with the same scrutiny as u r looking at this.. and mark them as such in one or more ways... Simply, because what sex/nudity is looked upon as by even tho being a very nature of animals & men.. it's rather the second driving factor after hunger & such essentials.. if it was something else which was looked upon in this manner u would have said the same for it..
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If you fuck for money, at the end of the day you’re still a prostitute. In China they have professional fart smellers. Even though they make a living doing it, at the end of the day they still stick their nose in someone’s ass and huff their farts. Making a living doesn’t negate your behavior and magically turn it into an art.
I don't hate. People can do whatever they want. It's not hurting anyone else. At times there are people in the industry that get taken advantage of so maybe that's why people associate porn industry as unsafe. Every entertainment industry is the same way from movies to music, people get taken advantage of because it's the nature of the business unfortunately. When people have power some will tend to abuse it.
Honestly I don't hate people working in the sex industry. I just wouldn't date a girl who works there. Aside from that, I have nothing against them. I'm even watching Sasha Grey on twitch, she's pretty entertaining, and a better gamer than one would think.
To be honest I don't really know many stars, aside from the most famous. Couldn't really speak about it.
You don't know what happens behind the screens, most of them if they had the money i don't think they would consider being in this job, plus there is no art in it.
You obviously don't know how most men are when a gal decides no after saying yes then do you. I find most of it weird as fuck but if it's all legit n legal and agreed on with no kids why not that's not really how it is though.
who criticizes it? what are their criticisms? what are you even talking about?
By criticizing I meant hate...
I would never date a female on the industry. I like girls who respect themselves and aren’t run by a train.
how do you know they are not being considered?
It's all about the $$$$$$$ that's probably why
Wait there’s a tier list?
What?
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