I am from Italy and what I know is the educational system is pretty different, how does it work?
Here we have 5 years of elementary school, 3 year of middle school and 5 years of high school. Some of us have school also on Saturday. We have fixed subject and we can change them. Here we don't do only written tests, but we also have to expose orally what we have studied. Here the notes are from 0 to 10, what about there?
Right now I have some question based on things I heard from people on the internet. 1) Is it true that you don't study English grammar? 2) Do you know international geography? 3) Do you study history in general or just your country history? 4) are high school as they are pictured in movies?
Do you think that American school is harder or easier that European school in general?
Individual states control educational standards. Local counties are then divided into school districts, each with dozens of schools at all levels. The districts have what is commonly known as a "school board" who are elected by the people of that district and who have over all control over the district. Actual school administration is done by a superintendent (appointed) who administers several schools, with each school headed by a principal (the principal of your school is your pal). In nearly all cases, school superintendents began as teachers and then advanced to principal before reached the top step of superintendent.
My school district was what was known as K-12: kindergarten through 12th grade. These grades were divided into K-6 (grade school), 7-9 (middle school or junior high) and 10-12 (high school). In other districts, high school was 9-12. School districts enforce a standardized state curriculum consisting of math, sciences, English, history (US and World), as well as other subjects, some of which were electives which included mechanical arts such as metal working, carpentry, photography, auto repair or drafting. Sports, known as Physical Education (P. E.) was also required.
Achieving a passing grade in each class earned the student a certain number of "credits" which were weighted: a science class earned more credits than physical education. A set number of credits, again set by the state, was required to graduate, although it has been so long ago that the exact number of required credits escapes me.
To answer your specific questions:
1) Is it true that you don't study English grammar?
English courses are required in every school year. Of course you wouldn't know it from the miserable grammar, lack of punctuation, and horrible sentence structure shown by people in this forum "CLAIMING" to be from the USA.
2) Do you know international geography?
Geography is taught in American schools, but not many pay attention to it. Personally, I know geography quite well.
3) Do you study history in general or just your country history?
One year of world history was required in high school. Otherwise, history classes were US history, Modern US history (1898 through the present), and because I grew up in California, California history (specific) was also taught.
4) are high school as they are pictured in movies?
All that I can say is if you've ever seen the film "Fast Times At Ridgemont High" you've seen my old high school!
5) do you think that American school is harder or easier that European school in general?
American schools are relatively easy when compared to schools in Europe... or any other first world nation.
Keep in mind that I graduated from high school in 1978, so things are most likely much different now. Even so, I hope that this information was useful.
Preschool Kindergarten Elementary school •1st grade •2nd •3rd •4th •5th Middle school •6th •7th •8th High school •9th (freshmen) •10th (sophomore) •11th (junior) •12th (senior) College/university Associates, bachelor’s, master’s, and doctorate •Associates to bachelor’s is usually similar to high school, in that there are the same titles freshmen, sophomore, etc. The only difference is that the number of credits determines which you are. Usually, the number of credits will be related to how long you’ve been in college. Let’s say you have 60 credits, then you’d be around two years in college, which would be close to finishing your associates. At this point, you’d be a sophomore because you’re at 2 years. At 3, you’d be a junior and 4, you’d be a senior. It’s assumed you would have the appropriate credits being in school for a certain number of years.
The short answer to your question is that it functions poorly. But for your sub question;
1. Yes, English grammar is part of our curriculum. Most of the emphasis is on written English. 2. International geography is also taught in most schools but less time is given the the whole world than given to our own country. 3. Similar to the last point, world history is basically compressed into a single year, where there are several years of US history. And even the world history class mostly focused on the last 300 or so years. 4. Depends on what movie you mean, but our high schools are pretty toxic environments to live the most awkward part of your life in.
I've had to teach myself a lot that was lacking in my public education. And then going to university helped a lot too. But yeah, there is a reason the US scores so poorly on placement tests and hast gotten to the point of scientific illiteracy that people still doubt the existence of the pandemic.
Now my personal experience isn't necessarily indicative of the quality of all public schools in the country. It is a big ass country after all. I also had some personal shit I was dealing with for a good chunk of that time.
School is generally similar here until high school. We have "junior high school" or sometimes called "middle school" which for the most part is years 6-8 or 7-8. Then students go to high school 9-12. The high school choices here are public or private school and then there are technical high schools or "vocational" which are similar to your 2 & 3 year high school. We don't have A & B schools. It can seem very complicated, but the terms used become redundant after you've been here a while.
I can't speak for what is being taught now in English or Social Studies (where you would learn most of geography), but when I was in middle school (7th, 8th grade) and high school (9th-12th), we did learn English grammar in middle school and did learn world history and geography (was Afro-Asian in 9th grade and European in 10th).
Here, maybe because is a second language we learn English grammar every year. For history here is pretty different, because we start in first grade where we start to learn about the first population till the middle ages I think, then in middle school we start from the beginning and we arrive to the second world War and in high school we start from the end of the Roman empire to our days. For geography is different because in elementary school we learn about our country in middle school we learn about the different countries of the world and in high school there are only some school who teach geography, that depend on the type of school a student choose
History is also taught in elementary school in the US- we learned about the Greek and Roman Empires and also the cradles of civilization, as well as some US history.
There are also some schools that teach in both English and another language.
Here there are too school who teach in English, I asked the question about grammar just because an American girl i know told me that teacher don't teach grammar
The teacher's union donates millions of dollars to political candidates and they get the legislature to support their policies. This creates a system with little accountability for the dismal results achieved in many American school systems despite spending more per student than any other country.
In the US I think it differs from state to state. In Nevada elementary goes up until 5th grade. Middle School is 6th - 8th. Then highschool is 9th - 12th. Beginning in middle school you'll start to rotate classes with different teachers and alternate schedules each day. It continues like that through highschool in that time you can pick elective classes... I'm just going off memory and it's a bit foggy
"Work" is a strong word for it. But there are 13 grades; kindergarten, then 1-12. Grading is done on a 4 point scale, with A's giving you all 4 points, B's giving you 3/4. Students are given standardized tests, nationwide to judge performance. Bear in mind that U. S. academic performance ranks alongside the likes of Latvia. So our education system is not something you should want to emulate.
American schools and unis , colleges today teach nothing but indoctrination using political correctness , error of judgment ( artificial common sense) and a narrative that encapsulates the idea of oppositional rebellion against truth , righteousness , upright , correct or anything otherwise considered to be the true answer.
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well lets see you sit behind a desk for 8 hours and be brainwashed for 8 long excruciating hours by a bunch of liberal psycho nutjobs shoving their whacked out liberal agendas and liberal way of thinking down your throat and come exam time you have to reguritate all that useless crap back to them. then at the end of several long boring school years you get to walk away with a piece of paper called a diploma that you can wipe your ass with
It honestly depends on where u grew up and how rich or middle class your school is i was kicked outta one highschool & went too 4 others and then dropped out for a year and then graduated at a charter school at 19 as a super senior, if i had better school choices in better neighborhoods or maybe even just a better city i would have enjoyed school and stayed out of trouble in my teen years lol. So USA schools ain't all that unless your in a better school area
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Wow I'm from Croatia girl, and this what you describe seems completely different than our system. I think it's far more western than our system, where there is no such thing as Middle schools! I've learned something new.
*Sorry, I tried sending this as one reply, but I didn't think I would write so much - they have some restriction on how large message can be so I will send it in portions haha. Hope this won't be overwhelming. 😋😅
So...
Kindergarten, optional. Age 3-5 or 6. Optional at which age you get enrolled.
Primary/elementary school. Old system from yugoslavian times implied 8 years, but now almost all independent countries have switched to 9 years. In my time, it was loose choice when to enroll: age 6, or age 7. Nowadays it's age 5 or 6, because of this one extra year added. In my time 4 lower grades were with one teacher, then in 4th grade you get English and music teachers additionally. In 5th grade you get all sorts of different proffessors and lose the "first teacher", and then you move from one classroom to the other throughout the school, those higher grades classrooms are always placed on higher floors of the building. There was no specific "protecting" the child of a bad grade, just on good will of a professor it can depend whether they would let you have oral examination next day if you aren't prepared. Nowadays, 9 years primary school is making kids a bit... Childish... I'm not sure why they think this "reform" is advanced. It implies first 3 years with no marks at all, just descriptive "comments" as awards, such as "well done", "not bad", etc. Second 3 years, they get actual grades from 1-5. 1 is the lowest. It means you failed. 5 is the highest. Avarage grade is calculated each half term and on end of the year. If a kid is 5.0 (pure A), such kids get special recognition. Teachers hunt them down to try to make them join their club or after school activity, because when school competes in those areas with other schools, it's such kids who will do their best, because they have high sense of responsibility. School will earn points based on that, and who gets more points, gets more money from ministry of education each year.
Examples of such activities: debating, civil right and social issues, folklore dance, modern dance, sport clubs, "young ecologist", advanced English language club, advanced german language club, literature & poet writing club, "young historians", "young volunteers in the community", advanced IT club and so on.
Last 3 years are slightly tilted nowadays to professional orientation regarding skills and talents, abilities and wishes. It makes kids more aware what kind of highschool they would like to enroll. Again, in time I was in primary school, no one thought it was needed but they nowadays do. Also nowadays kids get 2 foreign languages immediately at age 6. (German and English).
High school There are many types of high schools to choose from. There is one general separation: intellectual 4 year high-schools and craft & mechanical 3 year high-schools.
4 year high-schools are harder to get in. Types: - economical (easiest) -architectural high-school - Medical (after this, one becomes a nurse or "medical technician") - Gimnazija (so-translated "grammar high school" or equivalent of german Realschule) - the most hard and very stressful high-school, often regarded as "elite public school that produces intellectuals". There are public and private gimnazija schools, with light variations on their slight "accent of attention". Usual types are : mathematical gimnazija, linguistic gimnazija (5-6 foreign languages taught in there), classical gimnazija (more accent on art history, Latin and Greek extensively taught all 4 years), informatical gimnazija (they have best ever proffessors in IT, advanced robotics after-school club and compete on national and international level in programming and robotics creativity).
All gimnazije feature: - 18 - 26 constant subjects throughout the year. You can add more faculty subjects if school offers them. You cannot choose not to listen something though. - 3 to 4 subjects every year disappear and new subjects pour in. Such as, you lose "Democracy" and get "Philosophy", you lose "history of religion" and get "sociology", you lose "music art" and get "logics". - the purpose of gimnazija is to prepare for university and make a well rounded individual. Our proffessors often claim that with gimnazija we are more well rounded than some collage graduates in America. Gimnazija graduates have much easier time enrolling to university, and graduate tests are extremely fit only for gimnazija programme, all other applicants will have very hard time passing those exams. Simply, their curricula didn't have that wide span of things - in gimnazija you actually must read prescribed literature readings, including from ancient epics of Gilgamesh, over greek and roman antics, renaissance, some few pieces from the in between times until 18th century, then separately in 3rd and 4th grade excessive highlight on 19th century, national ideas and romanticism in Europe, Russian, German and local classics, more books to read, comparative essays writing, lots of politics and political issues getting into the discussion and so on.
- all gimnazije offer many after school activities. Again, most praised are debating club, advanced foreign languages and advanced IT classes. - gimnazija students often have special dress code such as: no straps tops or open shoulders, no mini skirts or showing knees (both genders), no cleavage, no messy hair, no unclean look, no nail polish, no lipstick (other make up is fine), no rainbow/weird/neon colours of hair dye. The point is to be associated in society, even outside of school, as "better than avarage" and "the polite kids with brain, common sense, higher intelligence and with fine future". In my opinion it's rather a propaganda for many don't enroll gimnazija because of their mind capacity or abilities, but solely to buy 4 more years of indecisiveness of what to do after age 18. Some will legit not want to go to uni, and were bad students in this school. - curriculum is very hard and stressful, many people get digestive problems or headaches from constant stress with often unrealistically demanding and pushy proffessors. Often times this creates camaraderie and empathy among students that other high schools don't have. I. E no one will go betray another kid that they have cheated on a test if that happens. You never know in which situation and lack of time you can get caught even tomorrow yourself. And I speak as someone who was A student.
The 3 year high-schools are very diverse. They teach practical skills in desirable areas of work or service.
Example : tailor high-school. They cover fashion design too Hairdresser high school ( they teach them there less about styling fashion and more on scalp biology, dealing with heavy chemichals, how to fix chemucal burns and what not. Hairstylist graduate still isn't experienced in styling, they need few years of practical work in some hair saloon to mostly just observe amd learn, not to work on actual people. Cooking highschool, these people will be helping in the restaurants, bit can't be chefs without further education, which is mostly abroad, like France, Italy, Austria, Germany, what not Then I've also heard for Shoe making high-school Postal services high-school, etc
The "engineering" 3 year schools are a bit more demanding mentally, but still easy in comparison to gimnazija. Yet, from who-knows which reason, they tend to last 3 years, and not 4, even though they are more intellectual. Civil engineering highschool Mechanical engineering (they will become people who can fix cars and other machinery... They often open their own small business afterwards) Electrical engineering (they will also often be open for private hiring when more complicated machines are broken, or can work in electric & household stores) IT engineering high-school (they are not programmers, they will most likely be people who fix android phones and household devices which are digitilised, in their small business shops that they will most probably own. It's ineffective to enroll this school if one wants to go to university and get an IT degree, for that, just as well for any intention of enrolling any other university, gimnazija is the best choice, no matter a lot of energy is squandered on all other areas).
Then higher education also has it's choice : - higher schools (2 years, no degree) - some specific upgrade in some desired area - private and mostly expensive "public schools of higher education". Here one can change their high school profession, if they want, get "re-qulified". It lasts 1-2 year of intense work, unless someone can't afford with time, then it can last longer. For example, someone has gimnazija (which is oddly, not only intellectual school, but high school at all, that doesn't give you calling and profession, and it's absurd because we worked the most) - and let's say this person wants to get a part time job as a secretary or accountant. But gimnazija doesn't give you those skills, that is what economy high-school teaches. So, in such higher school you can get a qualification for to be accountant with practical education in that very specified area. Or, a person is, say, car mechanic, but now in middle 20s, middle 30s, whatever, wants to enroll the uni and study something. To catch up with what he needs to know in order to pass uni application exams, he needs to catch up with basics of gimnazija programme. He can go to this higher education public private course giving school and choose "gimnazija programme", then be able to apply for uni exams. - universities (bolignised now 3BA, 2 MA, 3 PhD years like in the majority of world) plus after-doctoral studies that few unis offer
Pretty different from here, as high school we have something similar to gimnazije, but the rest is different, we have also technical schools but they are 5 years like liceo (gimnazije)
Yes I think gimnazija / craft schools separation is a bit cruel. It makes one part of society heavily informed, and another hardly capable to even have a critical opinion. They do study foreign language and few basic subjects there, but with very little time of paid attention to anything. I heard in Scandinavia even craft school students get educated in e. g politics, art etc common knowledge... Maybe that is also how it's like in Italy? Our system is clearly making the society divided on lower and higher class on purpose.
Well usually we have 5 years of Elementary 3 years of middle school and 4 years of high school but that can change if you go to private school or a charter school
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